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scicciarella wrote: I have been growing them for 15 years havent found a single one I dont like I have pretty well every kind know I also collect the wild woodland kinds which are very small, also all of the barlows and mckanas and the orientals this winter I started again four full flats of them and they will bloom the first year if started in the fall and planted outside so the leaves fall of and regrow the first year they will bloom in june but it is a change to take because if the plants are to small they will die and not leaf out again