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cestrum_SEQ wrote: Now look at these, also outside in the same sheltered spot but growing in the mini-greenhouse: nice and lush. So healthy that I don't want to take them out, which is why I haven't potted them up. Even in here something's been eating away at them. I have to spray with coffee again, basically after each watering. But if I took them out they would be defoliated overnight. In fact, I lost many seedlings that way. So I guess I'll just have to get another mini-greenhouse ... or two :-)