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titaniumRX8 wrote: Here is an unrelated item I wanted to show everyone....My unruly muscadine vine. We didn't tame it this fall/winter after we moved in and it has worked its way up into the tree, over the fence by the pond and also out into the yard. The good thing though is it is loaded down with grapes. We will have a bumper crop of them no doubt. So any DGers out there that has any good advice as to what to do with them? My dad made wine with them, but I don't think we'll be able to do that...If I remember correctly it is a lot of work.