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| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 8, 2008 | Well, I know it's flowering (at least, i "think" they're flowers), and there were "sticks" there over the winter, so it isn't new, but I've never seen it bloom before. It's about 4 feet tall, 6 feet wide, and growing in light shade.
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| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 8, 2008 | Here's a closeup of the "flowers". Forgot to mention, it has no scent that I can detect, not bloom or leaf (crushed). This message was edited May 8, 2008 9:01 AM
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| Resin Northumberland (UK) Zone 9a May 8, 2008 | A species of Philadelphus (mock-orange) Resin |
| UrbanBonsai Sacramento, CA May 8, 2008 | Definitely philadelphus, but the common ones are very fragrant. The only non-fragrant one I know of is 'Inodorus' which i believe has a double flower. You sure your nose wasn't stuffed up catmad? |
| UrbanBonsai Sacramento, CA May 8, 2008 | Never mind, I just Google searched and found a picture of P. Inodorus and the flower is single. That's gotta be it if it has no fragrance. |
| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 9, 2008 | Okay, I appreciate the input. I'm just not sure. The petals on the flowers are much more pointed than in any of the pictures Philadelphus I have found. They are different in form too, I think. The center of the flowers is a green ball with a center stamen(?) and the "petals" start behind that. Once fully open, the base of the petals don't seem to touch, and the base is also fairly thick/fleshy. I'll see if I can get a better picture of the flower. |
| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 11, 2008 | This may show it better. Maybe I'm just not looking at the "right" mock orange, but all the flowers I've seen have blunt petals, not pointed like this.
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| ecrane3 Dublin, CA Zone 9a May 11, 2008 | I'm with you catmad, all the Philadelphus I've seen have rounded petals not pointed. I looked through PF and all I saw there were rounded petals, and I even googled P. inodorus which UrbanBonsai had suggested and it's got rounded petals like all the rest too. Unfortunately I don't have any suggestions for what it is though! |
| plantmum Napa, CA Zone 9b May 11, 2008 | Philadelphus lewisii Philadelphus inodorus var. grandiflorus Philadelphus delavayi In searching I see many species that will look rounded (petals) in one picture and then pointed in another. I think this must just be a variable in some. I do think it is a Philadelphus for sure. |
| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 12, 2008 | I'm still trying to make it a Philadelphus, but I just can't. If you take a petal from the flower, and lay it down, it's a triangle. The center of the flower also looks different in the philadelphus pictures. I'm going back toady, although all the wind and rain may have decimated it.... |
| ViburnumValley Scott County, KY Zone 5b May 12, 2008 | Take pictures of the stems, the branches, the leaves, and the whole plant - in addition to the flowering characteristics. See if there any seed structures left from last year. Show us what the general growing area looks like. Is this a planted specimen, or wild plant? There are so many more positive ID features than just the flowers, though that may be the one that most recognize. Hybridization among Philadelphus species to create the ornamental garden plants has certainly wrought differences to where many may not recognize a species individual. |
| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 12, 2008 | Okey dokey, I'll do that, and be back... |
| UrbanBonsai Sacramento, CA May 12, 2008 | i just poured through page after page of google image search results for 'philadelphus' and I haven't found a single mock orange flower that matches this one. The leaf and plant structure seem to match too perfectly to say it's not philadelphus, but catmad is right, that flower looks distinctly different from any philadelphus i can find. |
| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 13, 2008 | Okay, more pictures. This plant has been here longer than 2 years, but other than that I can't say. I see evidence that it has been cut back in the past. It is next to the house, under trees, but gets sun from the back yard. It only has blooms where there is sun, and the plant is all straining towards the light. This is the whole plant..
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| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 13, 2008 | Flower after bloom...
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| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 13, 2008 | New growth...
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| catmad Pelzer, SC Zone 7b May 13, 2008 | bark/base. If there's anything else I can offer that will help, let me know. I'm becoming obsessed....:)
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