My gardenias are looking healthy except...they often get this brown "crust" on the unopened blooms...and when they open, you can see the edges look brown...
This must me a common problem with gardenias...it doesn't look like a pest but rather something I am doing wrong...
Hopefully one of the more knowledgeable ones pop in...but when all else fails - Epsom Salt, Holly Tone and Fish Emulsion. Maybe scratch some Holly Tone into the soil around the base and mix up a spray of the epsom salt and water and mist your baby...obviously early in the day so you don't burn her leaves.
A few weeks ago I got a Gardenia Tree and it had a dozen or more buds on it. I had it in my bird room for a few weeks and NOTHING happened except some of the buds were no happy, brown edges, etc. I decided it needed more sunshine. I put it on the south deck and watered it daily, alot of water. Sometimes more than I have ever watered a plant before, but I had no idea what the root system looked like and was not going to disturb it until those buds opened. Within a few days, the change happened. The entire plant perked up and the buds began to open and the flowers were perfect. Just yesterday I took this...some of you have seen other pics of this plant but this is just so beautiful I had to take more. I would suggest you put it in the sun, give it lots of water and a shot of Chantells suggestions. Then Pray. Keep us posted because this is not an unusual problem but there are so many different reasons for it. Gardners are like doctors, we try and figure out problems one step at a time. Good Luck. JB
- growing in pots
- part sun/ almost full sun
- I water everyday and spray the whole plant with the hose on hot days
- fertilized with osmocote, sometimes "acid lovers" ferts too (no difference noticed)
- on unopened buds, the brown crust is like a hard crust...sometimes I remove these browned edges as it looks like they would prevent the buds from opening...
- doesn't look like a pest, more like something I'm doing wrong!
- plant looks healthy and is covered in buds, but almost all open with those &@^$^% brown edges!
Rob - I don't know the answer to your questions as I only have 2 gardenia bushes that I inherited when I moved into the house, and they are in the ground. But I do have an observation in regards to the blooms on the old-fashioned gardenia that I have (I assume it is an old-fashioned one because the house is almost 30 years old now) - the flowers are actually only picture perfect for a day or two. I had posted this photo a couple of days ago.
Then they brown around the edges quite quickly. I took a medium range shot of the bush, and it was extremely difficult not to include any blooms with brown edges. There are several in this shot that is turning brown. You definitely do have something wrong because your closed buds are brown-encrusted, but the browning of the open blooms is just something that I have accepted because the fragrance makes up for that. Each bloom lasts only a couple of days, but they do send out a lot of new buds. At the end of the season, I have a thick litter of dried blooms beneath the plant.
I seldom do overhead watering on the gardenias because it seems to make the flowers get brown sooner. The only overhead watering they get is the rain, and I have noticed this happening, so I am just cutting them and bringing them in as they open on the Tree so I can enjoy them longer. They last several days in the house and I am a happy camper when I can smell my gardenias. I just love that scent. The keep the scent for days after they get brown also. Amazing. Sun is out for a change and I am hoping my awning is going to be installed today, so I will talk to you all later. Hugs.
I am not saying it is the water, it is just what I observed with my bloomers. Can you water them without the overhead sprinkler and see what happens? It is cooler here and cloudy and more rain is expected. I think I am growing mold in my ears.JB
robcorreia mine were brown but not on edges like yours. j berger interesting you say that about overhead sprinklers. my sprinklers are above my heaven scent gardenia this was what the bloom looked like as soon as it was picked and brought in side. the brown looks streaked across it. it still smells incredible though.
Candela, funny you should say that about the way the brown gardenias smell. I usually cut the brown blooms off my gardenia tree, the are as big as the bottom of a coffee cup. When they start to brown from being open for awhile, I cut them off and bring them inside and put them in a little saucer of water. They smell so good for nearly four days or more but they look absolutely disgusting. Just goes to show you, beauty is only skin deep, or should I say petal deep. Have a good day. It is raining again. We had 11 days of rain, one nice day yesterday and today it is raining again. Not just a drizzle, I mean rain. Where in the world is it coming from? Hugs to all. JB
Did you ever figure out the problem with the brown buds? I'm having the same issue here in No. Cal except my buds never open. They just fall off. Some of the leaves are turning bright yellow too so I'm wondering if I need to water more. I sure hope it's not a sun problem (they get full sun) because mine are in the ground...
I find that with gardenias, sometimes they look great, other times I get the browning and premature falling off. I have not taken a scientific approach to figuring out the problem. As someone else said, even when they are ugly looking, the gardenias still smell great.
(bump) What kenboy said. Did you ever figure this out? I'll never have gardenias, up where I live. But the whole thing looks chemistry-related, to me. Especially given the brown leaf tips. That's not typical of, say, a pest. Some kind of burn - overhead water in midday, or nitrogen, or too little water overall, or maybe even over-watered (check roots, hmm...). Or - something in the water? Chlorine? Fluoride?
I grow roses, never tried gardenias. But I know that thrip damage looks precisely like that on roses. I also know that thrips seem to go for fragrant plants before ones that are not. You might try spraying the flowers with neem oil just as they start opening. Or maybe dusting them with rotenone. Just an idea.
If your gardenias are planted outside, maybe, just maybe they got too cold? Too much fertilizer will also brown the leaves. Not enough water. Mine are practically sitting in water all the time but they love lots of sun and lots of water. Depending on your species it could make a difference because unfortunataly the different species need different attention.
If you know the species maybe I can find you an answer. JB
I remove aphids with windex (or a spray of water.) They drown instantly, and the touch of ammonia feeds the plant. Since I don't use pesticides, I've never had to remove aphids after the start of the growing season, lady bugs have always moved in quickly. (But that's outside..)
I am still fighting mealy bug but not as much as prior to the big storm that blew my ladybugs away. Darn they were doing so well and then they were gone. I am so lucky that my damage was in the hundreds instead of thousands. It was too small for the insurance to cover. Oh well. I think we should have a bumper crop of lady bugs this year if they did not blow off the farm. LOL.
The kids just finished staking all the new baby trees they planted before the storm and they blew sideways. Plus we just took down another tree that was damaged. The barn roof is repaired and all is well. Now all we need is a tornado or another nor'easter with big time wind and I am moving to Alaska, I swear. LOL Hope your Easter is a good one. We had my kids from PA for breakfast and they went home to be with my DIL family and now my SIL family is coming for egg hunt. This is the group with kids, which I can do without.I raised four and said when they are grown, no more little kids.I pretend I hate kids, but I just hate the way they are raised these days. No more firm hands, etc. LOL My grandson is 16 now and what a cutie. He is so sweet too. Loves to play baseball and do cross country running. Working on getting his drivers license.
I am such a proud granny. Must go. Hugs to all.HAPPY DAY!
Hey , Chantell, Rob, Steve, everyone...the old lady has a problem. Last year at this time Rob has this problem. My Aimee's , God forbid, are doing it now. They open and a day later the petals on the blooms are turning brown around the edges. This bloom is only a day old. This began happening about a week ago when they started to bloom. They start out white and beautiful.. Overnight. Boom..here is it. Take a look and think of me CRYING EVERYTIME I LOOK AT THEM.
I think we found the problem. We transplanted it into a very large pot about a week or more ago. I gave it water and it rained but my SIL the Nurseryman said he thinks it was not getting enough water. The new soil was not yet soaked and the little roots were thursty and this was making the blooms turn brown. Well, I gave it some fish emulsion and alot of water to the point it was really wet...yesterday the blooms looked better and today I am hoping the ones that open are going to be o.k. I will let you know. All else is fine. Leaves that turned yellow and dropped and buds that fell off were all from the stress of being transplanted prior to it blooming. I just had no choice. it was so pot bound I just bit the bullet and did it. Now I am paying for my haste. Thanks for your thoughts.
Rob I'm wondering if it might be a humidity problem? Another question is your gardenia grafted?
I have a Miami Supreme in a 10 gal pot; it's in partial sun and needing watering daily. Once the flowers open fully, they're history.
Gardenia flowers here as well as jamines always have flower thrips. Since I use flowers in devotional service, I use a paper plate (overhead light off) and place the picked flowers and plate about 3 ft from the flourescent light above the sink. I agitate the flowers carefully with my fingers and the thrips all start facing and marching towards the light.
Since I have A.D.D. my mind starts playing from the movie poltergeist," Welcome children, all are welcome go into the light!." Before they go airborne I slide the flowers to another plate and carry the one paperplate out the back door and knock them off.
Jasminum sambac cv. Maid of Orleans is one flower they love 2nd to gardenias. You might pick a flower bud just opening and place it in a zip lock baggie. I don't know if chili thrips have reached your area yet but that's considered a way to check.
Just some ideas...
All right Chantel, now I'm blushing!
Overall I find gardeners and plant lovers to be amazing people that come from the heart and just love to share! I've only known of really one person that was a "plant hoard and gloat" and that was about 8 yrs ago.
My grafted Aimee up and croaked; no idea why...guess it was it's time. I planted a Bael fruit (Aegle marmelos) in its place.
Was picking champaca this am and a 6" plant was 'waving' at me. It was pot so it was ripped and flung into the yard! Some neighbor's bad idea of a joke or trying to get revenge since I was calling the cops after being ripped out of a dream by 2:30 am boom boxes, crowds and drunken rachor. I called a truce with their mom so no noise after 12 am.
Back to fragrances, yuthika is flowering (Jasminum auriculatum aka J. molle).
Kevin, if you would like anothe Aimee I will send you one. I have quite a few all sizes. I can not imagine having a Molle growing in the yard. I am so green with envy. My Molle is a sad looking potted plant that blooms once a year if I am lucky. I thought I had lost her last year, but she came back. I just love the different frangramces both Jasminun and Gardenias have. They are my favorites.
I must go out and mow more grass. Just came in for a break and some chocolate. I need a boost.
My compliments always come from the heart...I meant what I said, Kevin. Now I must take a moment to "toot my oldest gardenia's horn" - to know me is to know that I kill any and ALL gardenias brought indoors...if they're hardy...I stand a much better chance. I knew my 'Shooting Star' was gonna really put on a show - she was given a good meal of fish emulsion a week ago and I want ya'll to see her today...ahhhhh life IS good!! Come on now...tell me how proud you are?!? Even though I had nothing to do with it...just LOOK at my baby girl!!!
She is outstanding. Great work lady. I am so proud of you. LOL...what a beautiful big girl she is. I bet the aroma coming from her is mind boggling. I would just stand there and sniff. Wow I think I can smell her...yes, I am sure I can.
I don't think I have ever smelled Henna. It looks very interesting. I wish I lived a wee bit farther South so I could put some of my things outside. My tropicals are doing so well, but I am out of space and need to do something soon.
Soils- I want to tell you how VERY JEALOUS I am of your gardenia buds! I'm thrilled if my tree gets a dozen buds on it, and they don't drop off before blooming. I'm in 7b so my gardenia is in a pot that is inside during the winter *and a little ignored* then outside for the spring/summer/fall. I kept it in the house this spring until it was finished blooming, then moved it out under the awning by the pool. It gets diffused light, with a tiny bit of morning sun. The beginning of July it set on 'one' little flower...lol...which is unusual because it usually only blooms once in the spring. I have searched high and low for a gardenia candle, scentsy, etc., anything that would mimic the gardenia. Some are close, but not like the real thing.
This spring I discovered tuberoses. Much to my thrill when they sent up their stalks and bloomed, they smell like... what else...GARDENIA's. Their scent is the strongest at night and it just drifts in the air.
I have enjoyed reading all your posts, and hope to see you all around the forums as I perouse and carouse around. :-))
Hello! I came across this thread after doing some perusing about my new gardenia. I scored a little braided tree for $5 at a produce stand over the weekend. I have killed 2 gardenias in the past, I am hoping this time, with all your helpful hints, I can keep this one alive. I do have a question though. I noticed you guys talking about fish emulsion. Can someone tell me what this is exactly, and what it does for the gardenias? Is this something you buy or do you have to emulsify the fish yourself? lol Thank you, and I apologize for my extremely novice question.
No one can beat my 'extremely novice' questions of the past J...seriously. And I'll be the first to tell you that I can not for the life of me over winter the typical 'August Beauty' Gardenias that are sold at every big box store whether hardy to your area or not. I did manage to keep a 'Frostproof' and a 'Mystery' gardenia alive in pots (barely) over the winter. I have a much better record with the Gardenias IN the ground that are hardy here in 7A sans 'Kleims Hardy.' I only tell you this in case the one you have is one of the more difficult ones...please don't give up. Fish Emulsion is bottled gunk they sell at the feed stores/nurseries, big box stores etc. Our Lowes and Home Depot both carry it. Haven't found a plant that doesn't like it yet...LOL. Course if you have pets - well they kinda like it as well...ugh!!
Thanks for the reply! If other plants enjoy it as well, I will definitely have to get some. I'm not sure which type of gardenia I have, it didn't have any tags or stickers on it when I bought it. I've been trying to be very mindful of not overwatering, and then a huge rainstorm hit while I was at work. I'm hoping that because I planted it in cactus & palm soil that it will drain quickly and not upset the little Miss. :)
Cantell, I am so glad to see you, I think of you so often. As you know, I have killed more gardenias than I can count and that includes the Aimees but Horseshoe sent me some Radicans and they are still doing well. My Aimees are good but this winter it was so difficult to keep the potted plants in the greenhouse happy. The temps were up and down constantly and nothing was working properly. The humidity level was low, several plants got yellow leaves, I put the shade cloth on very early because I thought they were getting too much sun. Crazy. I am so glad to see you.
Jaime, I am not one to use fish emulsion frequently because it stinks up my house as well as the greenhouse. When I use it in the greenhouse the barn cats come a running thinking I am about to feed them. LOL I bought mine online and if you can stand to mix it and use it I too have not seen a plant that does not like it. Even the Christmas Cactus get some when I mix it.
Keep on enjoying your new plant and if I can help you in any way I will be glad to, but I must warn you, my way is not always the right way. Have a good day. JB
Now Jaime, the heavy hitter has arrived. This man knows more about gardenias than all of us put together. Ask away Honey. He will be able to really give you good advice. Not that Chantell can not, but I know she and I have had problems with gardenias. We love those fragrant plants.
Oh Shoe, it is so nice to see you. I was going to send you a treemail regarding setting up one of the Lists on ATP. Wondered what your thoughts were on them. I could use a place for inventory and I was thinking of doing it there. Thanks for the nice comment about the eBay store. Business has picked up tremendously since I opened it. I am actually pleased with it and the price is right. It is cheaper than many of them and the free one I opened did not have much traffic yet...we will see.
I need to make room for more babies in the GH. LOL Hugs. JB
Ahhhh...it's feeling like a family reunion 'here!!'. Hey Shoe & JB!!! One of y'all should dmail me and let me know 'where' you're hanging out these days!! j - your tree is GORGEOUS!!! I'm sure you will do just fine - think positive!! The fact that it was only $5...sheesh, I'm jealous!! Any and all helpful hints from me re Gardenias originated from Shoe. Between Shoe, JB and should Kevin pop on in...well let's just say you've got the all star team right there. My beautiful 'Shooting Star' gardenia is easily 5' tall now...besides the Man upstairs - I owe the thanks to Shoe. My 'Chuck Hayes' is all in bloom now as well (I'll post pics when on my computer) & he's probably 3 -4' now!! My 'Frostproofs' are the babies of the pack and are about 3' tall...Mmmm gotta just bask in the fragrance!!!
WOW, what a welcome!! Thanks guys!! I must say, this is not the kind of reception I got from the rose folks. Note to self: must learn secret handshake.
Horseshoe, I got so excited when you asked about the blue tag but, alas, it is only the tape they used to secure the top of the braided trunk. Also, Chantell, I was perusing Logee's website last night looking for a birthday gift for my mom. I saw the Frostproof's they have, I may just have to add one to my cart before I checkout. ;) By the way, does anyone have a Logee's coupon code they don't intend on using? I googled and found a few but it seems like they are expired.
Youll find a great bunch of folks here, J!!! No egos - just humble folks that enjoy our fragrant friends!! I think you're right in that most of the Logee coupons have exp already. Once your baby blooms you might get a better chance of getting an ID on it.
I had a big NOID gardenia that did so well for about 5 years, then all at once the leaves started falling off and it just up and died. Like it had a heart attack and CPR didn't work! I would bring it in for the winter as it is too cold here for it to stay outside. A friend of mine sent me a Frostproof Gardenia and it sat outside all last summer and all winter. I watered it during the summer as it was out in the sun, but then pretty much ignored it all winter except to peek at it once in a while. That little baby had showered me with blooms this year and is small enough I can put on my table next to my chair on the deck. It smells so heavenly. I am SOLD on this Frostproof baby.
OOOOOOOOOOOOH ...again it happened. I had written a long post and when I went to send it I lost it. completely lost it. now I am loosing it. Frustrated beyond belief. I am not sure if it is the arthritis in my little finger hitting the wrong button or is this DG site being crazy again. There have been complaints on other threads about it. In fact, as I type sometimes I can not see it until I type several words. Only happens on DG.
I was saying to Shoe, how lucky he was. My gardenias are a mess and have been since they were put outside. The sun is so hot, has been all winter. I think it burns the blooms before they have a chance to really mature. The cuttings are not showing any signs of being alive and all just stinks when it comes to them. The Rads are wonderful, They are in the greenhouse and growing like weeds. Shade cloth has been on the GH since February. Weather has been a real problem here. I had hoped Spring would be different, but the sun is hotter than ever. Never remember it being this hot.
Better go before I loose this one. Happy FAthers Day Shoe and have a great day. JB
Hello everyone! Does anyone have any great gardenia pics they want to share here? I am (im)patiently waiting for my little gardenia tree to finally bloom. :/ The branches have started to get longer (I love the topiary look and it has started to look unruly for such a little shape.) I bought it with several small buds on it, they have been growing and look to be healthy. Needless to say, I'm waiting with baited breath, like a kid on Christmas.
By the time I finally placed my order, a pot of 3 lithops and a split rock for my mom's birthday, and a Ponderosa lemon for me, they were out of the Frostproof gardenias. :( I am, however, pretty excited about the lemon. They say it is from a cutting off their tree from 1900 - this bit of history excites me for some reason. I read the DG reviews about them though, and am hoping for the best on the size of the plants I'll be getting. Fingers crossed.
Since we are on a Fragrant Gardening thread, I'm curious to know: how do you guys feel about the Bloomerang lilacs? My new house is fairly old and has some large trees and shrubs about. We moved in in January when everything was bare. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the 2 HUGE bushes blocking the view from the driveway are lilacs. Before I knew, I was ready to tear them out, or else severely chop them back. My soon-to-be MIL was commenting about how she wanted take some cuttings. Fast forward a month, I run into 2 PW Bloomerang Lilacs at Sam's, marked down to $5 each. (I saw the same size growing at Home Depot for $35). I had no idea they were supposed to bloom all season when I bought them for her, and found out the Bloomerang introduction stirred up some controversy in the gardening world. Being Frangrant Gardeners, I was just curious how you guys felt about them. I have been babysitting them on my front porch until my MIL's siding is done and she wants me to plant them for her. They are also looking much better than when I got them, and one is getting ready to bloom on 3 branches.
I love this conversation, do you mind if I check back in periodically? I would love to hear more about what's going on in your gardens. You guys seem like a really fun group of people. :)
Jaime, what kind of gardenia tree do you have. Is it an Aimee? Or what? I missed that and I am too lazy to go back through all the thread to find it. Here is my gardenia tree. I have 5 of them. Two big ones and three little ones.
The biggest is now over 5 ft. tall and the little one is just about 5 ft. The babies are only about 2 ft. I raised them from cuttings. Of course everything is in containers. Sorry guys, Jaime has not seen this yet. You can close your eyes. But you can smell it for sure.
The first is a closeup of the top of the oldest tree.
The second pic is the smallest of my large trees.
Thank you for sharing your pictures!! They are absolutely beautiful!! They are exactly what I needed to tide me over until mine bloomed. JB, it didn't have any tags when I bought it at a produce stand for $5. It finally bloomed today, twice, and to my very untrained eye they look different. It is a braided trunk tree. ?? Maybe you can help with the ID, I'd love to know what to call it.
First 2 pics are of 1, last 3 pics of the other. Any help is much appreciated!
What a beauty that is. Wow. I would love to know what it is? Why don't you go to TOP TROPICALS.COM and check your pictures with the ones of the Gardenia Jasminoides they have there and see if anything matches.
There are so many different ones that it may take awhile but you have the pictures there and they have so many pictures and descriptions it may help. Please let us know what you come up with. Maybe Shoe can help you. I feel it is a Jasminoide but which one, I have no clue. With only one eye to work with I am really no help. There must be a way to tell them. I hate when people do not mark their plants when they sell them, but for $5 who cares? LOL JB
Ahhh JM you're new flowers look beautiful - bet you're enjoying THAT fragrance!!!! I don't know enough about that lilac to make any comment. Maybe start it as a new thread and put a link 'here' in this thread. Here are 3 pics of my 'babies' - taken with cell phone so the pics not exactly stellar!! Chuck Hayes is first - Frostproof second - and my Shooting Star brings up the rear
What beauties Chantell. My baby jasmine (1 year old cuttings) are blooming in the GH in all this heat and so I think I will put them up on eBay today. I started with 105 cuttings and have only 13 to sell. The weather this winter in the greenhouse was so unsteady and impossible to keep humidity, etc at a good level, I lost so many cuttings. So, I am just starting over. Off to the GH, it is so hot already I can not stay in it very long without a break. I watered early today but had to come in and get some breakfast. Have a great day and smell those flowers...ummmmmmmJB
Well just lost my message to you JB...ugh!! Thank you for your compliment...I'm pretty dang excited. Shooting star is still giving me some blooms here and there...she starts first and is the last one to finish. Course she's the biggest too. LOL Would you please stop by this thread http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1266650/ and see if you can share some of your wisdom with my friend Susan? She's a great gal...you'd like her!!