Just thought it was time to start posting some happy fish and ponding pictures. We've all had a few bumps over the past year, but all in all, ponding is still addicting, and the rewards outweigh the negatives and keep us all going. This water lily is Tina, one of my favorites.
What a gorgeous color (Tina), it's beautiful - I have a teenie (88 gal) pond so I can't even think about Koi, just little goldfish but I could have a waterlily or two. Do you remember where you got it? Thanks.
Thanks, BeaHive - it's the dried allium shubertti - now I recognize it as an allium. I love the shape, even dried I think they're pretty but I'm really jealous of your cute froggy. I don't have any frogs yet - six goldfish and lots of plants but no frogs or even toads - did have a garter snake having a swim though. Not welcome.
...and MerryMary - thanks for the info, I love to buy plants off Ebay (haven't had a bad experience yet) so I'll try that - glad to know it's small, which is what I need, again the color is just beautiful.
I like the way you both think! Pond boy..that would be great!! I have been putting off getting in the pond and clipping the dead water lily pads and blooms. The water is so clear and seems to be in balance now and I really hate to mess it up. Also there are the new polywogs in there and I would hate to step on one. Yuck.. Found one in the skimmer basket this morning. He was Ok but could not get out on his own.. Scooped him out and he was on his merry way!
I went out to look over my water plants today, and found a bud about to open on one I have never seen before. It looks like it will be red or bright pink. I'm not sure if it will be a water lily or one of my lotus finally blooming. The green smoke has put so many blooms on the last few days and now this one. I'm excited. Here is the red bud. Will up-date when it opens.
I came upon your thread, and really enjoyed the photos! they tell such stories, love the frogs!
I was very surprised to find an unusual squatter in my pond at the beginning of the summer. He was very shy at first, but has gotten used to feeding time, and starts paddling around in the middle of the pond looking for a hand out. I suspect that he's decided to stay put since we're having such a drought this summer!
Great turtle. Wish I had one, but that might not go well with the Koi.
It was cooler tonight so I was sitting outside by the pond talking on the phone when I spotted this guy
eavesdropping on my conversation. He made me smile. So glad my camera was outside and I didn't mind him listening!
I see how hot you've guys been...I can absolutely sympathise!
Yes, he is a Red Eared Slider, and thankfully a vegetarian. I fed him some Papaya from the Papaya tree yesterday...I left it on the side of the pond and he dragged it into the water.
I have my pink adirondack chair ..yes pink.. to the right situated at the end of the pond. I have seating in the gazebo for 4 and to the left of the pond I have a raised covered deck which can accomodate 10 sitting.. more if they bring a chair. LOL! My favorite place to sit is a large flat boulder (center left 1st picture) . Here I can feed the fish and converse with the frogs.
LOL, yes my garden throne while not pink is located next to the pond. I build a 750 sq foot deck that surrounds the house, with a tree in the middle of it, and a curved edge with the pond right off the edge, so there is an elevated view to the pond...love it..I can spend quite a bit of time watching the ponds occupants. This year I decided to put tropical fish in the pond, aka Tetra Albino Barbs, oh my ..they are so entertaining..and they love the turtle, so they pester him to death. when I want to find the turtle, I just look for the barbs. I use a large aquarium heater for the brief couple of cold months.
I've named the barb school "The Apple Dumpling Gang" for their crazy antics.
Sound like a great and active pond. With the cold winters here all my critters and fish go night night for many months and I miss their company. I was think of making a small pond on my deck with a heater so I could enjoy them in the winter as well. Will see what this winter brings.
I hear ya. I have one of those large cattle water troughs in my green house, I keep stocked with plants and fish. Sometimes in the winter I'll put my chair in there and hang out. The water trough doubles as the humidifier.
You have a greenhouse rjudd! Lucky you, I can't think of a better combination than a greenhouse AND a pond together.
How big is the pond in relation to the greenhouse? Can you send pics of some of your plants and maybe some shots of the interior including the pond? Thanks.
VERY interesting pictures, thanks. I love the idea of the mosquito netting - now I just need a greenhouse to go with it.
Seriously, where did you get those light sticks? - I love those - must have. I've never seen them before - do you remember where you bought them? I too, have a hobby horse, but mine is upstairs on a landing visable from downstairs and upstairs. I bought it for outside but unfortunately it's made of paper mache - one of those beautiful 'critters' made in Mexico. I love it but it would quickly deteriorate outside - hope you remember where you bought the light sticks, I just love them.
They are actually meant for the underside of umbrellas. I bought them at a store called Big Lots, and as much as I've looked, I've never seen them again. I take a lot of LED lights, and make them into something more interesting. Nothing is permanent around the garden, and the lights are recycled into new lights as I experiment with new things. I've kept a record of some of them if your interested. http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/t/rjuddharrison/1992/
I don't mean to go off topic BeaHive.
When the Herons kept coming and snacking my fish, I put a decorative shop light over the pond suspended on a tall plant hanger pole. It's great at night because it's all black, and it's hard to find where the source of the light is. It works in keeping the Herons out. Now for the Racoons!
Thank you RJ - I book marked your link - you have really peaked my interest in creative lighting and some of your pictures are just beautiful. Truly thinking outside the box and I know I have lots of "good junk" in the garage that I'm looking at in a different light, pardon the pun. If you happen to see any more light sticks, please let me know where. I did check Ebay, no luck.
Beahive, I'm so jealous of your little frog guys - so precious. I especially love the picture of the little frog ready for a night of "bugging" as you say. Great picture. I'm going to check into that camera too. Fun thread, thanks.
MerryMary, What a lovely thread,
I have very few froggie pics this year as they are very shy. Much like you my small ponds are overwhelmed with plant life. I know there are a few fish in under that foliage but hard to find as well. I did have a very small turtle but I haven't seen him at all for quite some time now so I'm not sure if he is still living in there anymore.
Beahive, Your pond is lovely.
Rjudd, I have a very large african cichlid and was thinking about putting it out in the bathtub pond as I thought it would be a rather warm pond but I decided on a few fantails instead. I am planning a small water garden for in the GH when we finally get started on it. I would love to try a few tropical water lilies.
One of the big surprises for me is the Purple Taro (at least that is what I think it is). It sent out several very long shoots that laid in the water and have rooted. One of them also made what I would describe as a corm with new leaves.
HollyAS...I have 2 different purple stemmed elephant ears. One is a colocasia, which has a dull leaf. The other is an alocasia with a shiny leaf, which I love much more. I don't know the official name of either. It looks like you have the shiny leaved one. Alocasias can't take as much water as the colocasias, so I'm glad to see yours are alive and well!
I really like this plant, here is a little closer look at the leaves. They are somewhat mottled with a lighter and darker green. Purple veins and leaf edge. All makes a rather attractive plant. I will need to pull it inside for the winter and not quite sure if I should try and let it go dormant (like I do with my caladiums) or keep it growing. I haven't had the best luck in trying to keep them growing over winter. Most of my house plants are outside for the summer and it will be close quarters when they all come back inside. The pot doesn't sit deep in the pond but the dirt in the pot is pretty much covered with water. It sits in the water to the edge of the pot, sometimes just out of the water or in depending on rainfall.
I have that one too...I think that's an alocasia. I can't remember the name though. I'm in zone 9b and leave mine drier in normal potting soil for the winter. They go dormant a bit (occassionally holding a leaf or 2, but sprouting no more growth until spring) but I've never had their roots in the water for the winter.
We've had more than our fair share of cold weather this year. I know it's not like our friends up north, but we ( in Florida ) are not prepared for what we have been recieving. My ponds are much more shallow that the rest of yours, I've never had to deal with freezing temps, only extreme heat. Usually we have a week that has frost...this year we've had almost a month of night time temps around 30-35 degrees. A few of my larger fish are showing signs of stress. They have a few body sores, which I've never had to deal with before, so today I up'd the level of salt. Bacteria and enzymes won't do too much with the water this cold, but hopefully it will warm up soon, at least enough to add some.
Body sores? You mean like ulcers? We have had that problem a couple of times. Seems like the triple antibiotic food did us more good than anything else, but the water needs to be warm enough for that too.
What are your water temps now? When is it supposed to warm up?
This morning the water was around 56, which is much better, although not close to normal. I've been trying to not feed too much while the temps are chilly, but I think medicated food may be the way to go as well. I'm keeping a fairly high salt level as well. I've pulled a few fish, swabbed their wounds with Potassium Perm and sealed it with BioBandage. I don't want to treat the whole pond and kill off the good bacteria that may be surviving the colder weather. If it warms up a few more degrees I can add more Good Bacteria/Enzymes to keep the infections down, but most dont work well in cold water. The night time temps will still be in the upper 30's this week.
Thanks for asking. The water temps have been high 50's to low 60's. We're getting a warming spell this week, so even if it doesn't last long, hopefully it will warm up the ground to keep the temps consistant. I did a 25% water change and up'd the salt. We had 5 inches of rain the day before yesterday, so the water was once again changed by mother nature. .Knowing the salt is now diluted, I'm going to add some good bacteria and enzymes, to keep the aeronoma's under control. The same one fish with the ulcer still has it, I keep treating it, but he looks otherwise healthy and he's eating.
Sharon, the plant is myosotis scorpioides or water forget me nots. They will have the little blue flowers soon. They have moved from the top of my falls to pond on their own. They are a great water plant but must be thinned often to keep them in check. Your pond and its surroundings are just beautiful.
Beautiful pond pictures I must clean out my small pond soon. My pond doesn't look very good right now it froze over this winter and so far I've removed 4 dead frogs and a few fish. I don't see any life in it yet and I should be seeing fish moving around. It has been raining for the last couple of days and it is looking pretty good right now but they are calling for showers and the ground is pretty wet so I was thinking today might be a good day to drain the pond and get it cleaned out.
The frogs however kept coming back and jumping in. This one was really surpised when he jumped in and the water had all been drained. I think was expecting a splash!! Rude awakening!! He quickly hopped back out and went to hide.
I am surprised at the amount of rocks you have in the bottom of your pond. Is the whole bottom covered with them? Is this why the pond clean out? I ask because I know rocks on the bottom of a pond can be a real breeding ground for anaerobic bacterias. Just wondering - I know in your pictures that your water is always crystal clear and your fish always look very healthy.
The whole pond is covered with rocks of all sizes. The pond was in need of a good cleaning as a plant I put in last year was taking over (can't think of the name) and there was so much sediment I could not see the beautiful rocks.
They also cleaned all the filters,and flushed the lines and cleaned out the pump. It is amazing how much "junk" accumulates over the years. Pond looks very nice now and the Koi are happy to be out of the holding tub.
It took quite a while for me to reach the end of this thread... So many beautiful frogs... did you bring them to your pond or did they come to you. i notice you have a fence surrounding your yard, does that keep the frogs in. my pond also froze and we had 65 inches of snow, we found 3 big bullfrogs dead in our waterfall. One survived. This is our 3rd summer with a pond , ours is similar to your 3200 gallons too. i am on east coast. Don't you have cold winters there what about your koi ? I have sun fish and comets. When we cleaned out our pond we put the fish in a baby pool. How many fish do you have in your pond /// so many questions LOL I love your pond and its great to share information with each other. I have a raccoon who is a predator sometimes. I live in Maryland.
Elaine, glad to made it through this thread. Most of my frogs have found my pond. I am not sure how or why as there are plenty of lakes,rivers and culverts for them to choose from around here. I did have some tadpoles brought to my home last year by my daughters boyfriends as they need to be relocated from dried up culverts. The fence does not seem to deter them. They can squeeze under I suppose! LOL . It does get cold here in the winter but i am sure not as cold as MD. The lowest I recall in the 3 years I have lived here is 11 deg.(only a few days at that temp.) Normal winter temps are in the low 30's. Yuck! (coming from CA it is a big change for me) I keep my pond running year round to keep it from freezing. On those real cold days, I do get some ice so I put in a de-icer to keep the water flowing. I have 20+ Koi and they all seem to be doing great. They all survived the winter. They were all placed into a large plastic tub when the pond was cleaned up. Racoons can be a big problem for some ponds. Mine does not have much "shoreline" so it would be hard for them to get in and catch mine. A heron was a problem until I bought a plastic decoy Heron and that seems to have worked. It is always sad when you find a dead frog. I had a huge frog named Big Mama who I loved so much. I have a thread about her. http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/985971
I also rescued one this week and I have posted a few pictures & story on this forum. It is called frog 911. Here she is looking a bit dazed from her ordeal.
Well, no frogs in this pond actually not much of anything in it yet. It is my bathtub pond and I empty it and pull everything out for the winter. Not that you can tell right now but I just cleaned and filled it a week ago and moved just one plant in it. I am babysitting my GS and his baby ducks for a few days while his Mom has some surgery. We thought they would like the bath tub and boy they sure did. LOL
One more, after about and hours swim I took them out and they followed me around the yard while I watered the plants. I will say that I'm real happy with this bathtub pond it looked really good last year and has turned into a nice little water feature.
I turn my pond off the end of October , just keep a couple of bubblers and a heated deicer in to keep a hole in the ice. Last night when i went out to turn off the sprinkler all of the frogs screech and jump into the water. all frogs are afraid of us... Once a squirrel was startled and jumped into my pond. we have a lot of animals in our yard and birds. I am attaching aphone of a bull frog. See if you have the same kind? it would be interesting. I had a heron also , although he didn;t get any of the fish. I believe I have about 30 fish. some had babys (fry)... sometimes I fee my fish orange halves, they eat all og the paulp and leave the peel. I also feed them earth worms which they swallow whole.They will also eat zucchini, and corn kernels. In three years i lost one fish, it was this year when i lost the fish. we had an exceptionally hard winter this year. what is your temptures like right now. Any lillys blooming ?
Elaine I have a sony camera too... I love my camera !!!
Nice pictures. The one of your pond in winter amazes me. Hard to believe anything would survive being covered with that much snow. Our temps are still in the 40's at night and 50'-60' during the day. Still have lots of rain which I hope will go away soon! I have tried feeding grapefruit to my Koi, but they were not interested. My water lilies are growing and had my first leaf break to the surface. It will be awhile before any blooms.
Very pretty, Yesterday was pond cleaning, sorry to say that only 4 fish survived the winter and there were no frogs. But there are plenty of frogs out here singing at night so maybe a few will decide to stay. The plants are looking good. I picked up some fertilizer and today I will get everything fertilized and back in the proper ponds.
To Merry Mary, I saw those blue lillys in the dr. foster and smith catalog but , i was disappointed that they were not for my zone :( They are so pretty. each day i go out and count the Lilly pads that our coming up. Its a little game to keep me occupied till the Lilly flowers come. Its amazing how many leaves come up each day ! I am having a graduation party for my daughter at the end of the month and hoping that one will open by then >>>>
bobGTD...I have been looking again for more. I'm not sure mine survived this year's long winter freezes, which we are not used to having. I absolutley love them, the color lights up the whole yard, even if it's only 1 or 2 blooms.
I saw them in the dr foster and smith catalog , the little blue lillys with the yellow center. I have been successful ordering Lilly's from the internet and all have survived.
So sorry to hear about your fish dying holly. That is very distressing . Even tho we had a terrible winter , the worst in my 57 years on this earth i only had one fish die and it was a sunfish. I also had One tadpole died but 10 others survived. Its strange that these tadpoles take so long to become frogs , i think they will be bull frogs. my first year of ponding, i had tropical lilys and they were purple and blue and opened at night. But they are not hardy , now i only have hardy ones that survive the winter. I have been counting the lily pads up to 67 now. waiting for the first bloom :)
Last year I got three plecostumus sucker fish and put them in a 5 gallon bucket outdoors with some water plants. They did fine until February and they all died one day. Got down to 40 or 50 so I guess it was too cold for tropical fish. Our new pond is 5x5x3 and the front side faces my patio door. I got the rubber liner on ebay. The front side has glass, so we will see what's going-on under water, similar to a one-sided aquarium. The plan is to sit in my easy chair in the front room and look out through the glass door at the pond on the patio. A diamond in the rough! My problem is the easy chair doesn't get me outside to finish the project.
Seeing all your beautiful work in the pictures above makes me want to get-er-done.
The natural rain water has collected there, just waited to see what the natural chemistry will do.
No fish yet. Just a few dragon flies and a couple very LOUD frogs. Sqwak-sqwak-sqwak!
BeaHive, your pond is my ideal -- Not that the others are beautiful, but it most closely mirrors mine in size, configuration, rock, and skimmer. I do not have all the lovely greenery, and will never have it so lush because of where I am, but I notice that you use pots here and there to add to the arrangement. I have printed a color picture of your pond from here to keep as my target.
Do you have all koi or are there some goldies in there. I was told you cannot mix them. Also told not to have rock on the bottom. I am so confused. Now two of my new koi are dead, I have removed the gravel, put in meds and am beside myself. they insisted the rock had to go, and I just hate what it did to the look of my pond shallows. And I don't have the beautiful lily pads to hide it at all. May not have them til the end of July, just in time for fall.
Sorry, this is such an uplifting thread, and it did make me feel better. Just a little discouraged to try to hard and get such negative results. And I guess the inability to sift through all the 'advice' that seems to fly in the face of the lovely ponds I see here. Of course, we don't have your temps and I know that makes a difference in what 'grows' in the water, good and bad.
Mstella, there is a lot of conflicting information, isn't there? I don't think anything is true for everyone in all situations. Personally, I subscribe to the no rocks theory, but I absolutely love how it looks when I see a rock covered pond that is crystal clear. Some people obviously experience success with rocks, as evidenced by Beahives gorgeous pond! But you need to be prepared to clean it out somewhat regularly which is quite the chore. I have gotten used to my rockless pond and I find I don't even notice the liner anymore. If you can't grow waterlilies, maybe you can find other ways to take attention away from the liner. Planting perennials and small trees around a pond creates a lovely reflection in the water. Maybe a small weeping tree near "the shallows"? Can you grow JMs in your area?
I do have a crabapple next to the pond and the surface reflects the tree and the clouds sometimes obscuring the bottom. Others have said that the bottom will grey out after a bit and not be so obtrusive. My feeling is that the rock didn't hurt the pond, but when we hauled it out, oh what a mess was underneath. I did have plants and flowers around it last year but this year we were going to have work done on it (which never happened) so I not only didn't add plants, I dug some up and moved them. Looks pretty bare. Sorry, but what are JM's? I am sure I should know but it isn't clicking? Magnolias??
LOL, My ponds are doing pretty good this year a few glitches, I left the water lotus in the bottom of my deeper pond and by the time I realized it was too late to move it to the shallower one. The new Tropical WL I ordered died right away. They looked fine when I potted them up but went down hill very fast. Other than that they are looking good.
You can see the water lotus sticking up in is pic. That small pond is 3ft deep.
That is a variegated ornamental grass.
LOL on the sun dial. I can see why you thought that. It is a bird bath with a piece of driftwood sitting in it. The water pumps up though the birdbath and drips over the edge back into the pond.
Here is a closer look
I love that bright green grass. I assume you keep it under control by having it isolated in that island and you can mow around it. I see the little birdy now. I really didn't look closely enough the first time.
Thanks it is about 6ft across and 3 deep. It's concrete with a pedestall for the birdbath to sit on. There is no filter just a pump that pumps up thru both pedestalls to the bowl. I have fish, frogs and snails living in there, at this point you don't really see the fish as the water lilies have pretty much covered most of the open surface. The water lotus, water iris, pickerel weed and american water willow are in there this year, I change up the plants from year to year. I have two other small ponds but this is the deepest and where I overwinter all the fish and plants. This was taken last year.
It reminds me of a fish pond my great-grandmother had back in Oakland, Calif. She had one of those shotgun houses, very narrow and long into the lot with three floors and a big back yard. There was a single car garage and in the 10' or so that was left of the lot there was a sidewalk and a round concrete fish pond. I don't know how deep, but my memory (at 5 or 6 years old was that it was very deep. I think she had fish, assume they were gold fish. I think I was told that the city made her fill it in eventually as it was a drowning hazard. I remember she had white cala lilies down the side of the garage next to the pond and fruit trees in the back yard.
mstella, Sounds like your Great grandmother had a lovely yard.
Carolyn, Most of the fish are just cheap feeder goldfish that have grown over the years to pretty good size. Yes, the birds do love the birdbath. We get a lot of action here and the feeders are close by.
Well, R said that the goldfish had diseases that could kill koi. made it sound like it was a given. Then J, her husband, sent a note and said that while that was true, it was very rare. then went on to discuss how the koi could damage themselves on the rocks, etc. Suggested triple anti-biotic fishfood. Was just curious if anyone else mixed up the critters.
Mine are quite happy together. After four years, we have had only one baby survive and he/she is about 3" long now. First spotted her this spring. Assume she is from last year's batch. And definitely a goldfish. Mostly those cannibalistic fish eat them all. I see them all crowded around this one area where the babies seem to hide.
Oh Jan. Please do hang around. We are a merry and friendly bunch and the more the merrier. A little irreverant at times, silly at others, but always ready to welcome a fellow gardener, ponder, or just someone new to the mix.
I agree DavEdsel. I would love a blue one. I tried one this year. It had a lovely flower on it when I got it but when it went into the pond it barely survived the summer, much less winter and it was supposed to be hardy -- maybe in California. :(
Dear Holly, the picture of your bird bath with the green-slime-algae growing on the concrete looks like a good idea. It seems to compliment the natural surroundings. That's a maintenance-free filter? And I bet it supplies alot of oxygen to the water.
Very late chiming in on this, but Txdoodlebug, if you're in the market for more water plants, I have bought from Texas Waterlilies and been very pleased. Think of the shorter shipping distance your plants would have to suffer. I wonder if they have survived the terrible drought ok.
I got my dwarf water lily 'Dauben' from them as well as lotus 'Baby Doll' and this year a new slightly larger water lily 'Yellow Thamannoon' that has been really lovely. It's a bit too big for my little 4ft. by 12ft. pond, but I inhibited its growth a bit by keeping it in a small-ish pot.
If I had a pond up north, I think I'd want blue water lilies, too. I'd buy the tropical blue of choice, lift the pot, keep them in a cold but not freezing basement or garage over the winter, then put them out again in spring? You'd just have to make sure they didn't dry out. My tropicals have all survived two extremely cold winters. I know the pond water got down into the 40's despite my best efforts at adding sun-warmed water to keep the temp up.
This is 'Dauben' which is truly a perfect sized water lily for a little pond. The leaves get about 7in. long. It's also tolerant of some shade, as my pond only gets a couple of hours of direct sun per day, but 'Dauben' blooms constantly from about March to December.
Flowers are almost white, but the blue color suffuses in until on the last day of bloom it is quite blue. Nice fragrance, too.
I don't bother cleaning it off very often. Once in a while I will hose it off when I what it to look nicer for company but mostly I just let it grow. That water feature doesn't have much in the way of a filter. We took a plastic milk crate and tied barley straw mats to the sides and set it over the pump. The idea was that the pump would pull the water thru the barley straw mat. Here is one of my tropical WL
It has taken us a weeks work to get to this point. I'm so tickeled. Husb. rigged up a little boom on my Kubota today to set the 5 pieces of concrete in place that form the fountain. I painted it with leftover pool paint which is all I got advice on that would not flake when submerged. If it flakes off I was told the fish would eat it and get ulcers so couldn't use latex. The flowers and birds on the top piece are latex as pool paint doesn't come in varied colors. Hope it holds up but if not we will have to take it out of pond. There is a little stream running to another pond but thats not in the pic. Will try to share what we have done so far. Husb put water flow controls on all the water lines. Hopefully it will work if not he will make it work I'm sure.
It is on a pedestal that puts the large basin up out of the water. We are hoping water will flow gently out over basin and into pond.
I have a few fish to seperate and Mary is contributing some also which is wonderful.
Jan you get up here and see it in operation at the RU. Hopefully it will be running long before then Lord willing.
I've never seen my husb. so interested and he has been working on it every day. He is a perfectionist and that takes time.
We have to haul hay tomorrow and maybe Tuesday but then will get back at it. I'll have to plant a bunch of plants around
both ponds and little stream but that will come in time. He keeps telling me Rome wasn't built in a day and I tell him thats cause I wasn't heading up the job. I learned a long time ago its better to pick up the shovel and use it than nag. Gets projects going.
Take care and look forward to seeing you all soon.
Filled up pond last night and turned it on this morning. Everything appears to be working. Washed more little rocks this morning and added them to smaller pond. Can't wait to get fish in there. This time I bought a bottle of the good bacteria to help it get it off to a good start. Looks bare without plants in the water but that will come in time. Got little walkway to build in the morning.
I sharpen my shovel on my husb. grinding wheel and that sure helps. Have 4 different kinds of shovels and ea. has its own job.
See you soon.
Would love to have koi anytime but we are experiencing leaks with new ponds. Charlie thinks its in the little stream fold overs of liner. He has already torn apart all liner around skimmer and reworked it and today we are going to reglue steam bed. I'll let you know as soon as we get it solved.
Carolyn you can rely on pics of roundup and fishies. BTW would love to have you come down.
It feels great to me today. I'm plowing up garden then tilling and then I can put the vegies in. Broccoli does great and I love it. I eat it raw or cooked, stalks make into slaw, leaves we cook like collard greens. Great winter vegie.
Between Mary and I we will convince you to come down. The weather now is REALLY beautiful. If you get tired you can stay at my house night of roundup than go to Deland in the morning if you'd like. Or come the day before whatever works for you.
Yup, my sympathies Bonnie. Leaks are the bane of pond gardeners. Mine (which has run perfectly for 4 years) is now losing about 2in. per day. I'm leaving town next week, and need to get it under control before I go 'cause DH won't remember to keep adding treated water. Pump will run dry, and the fish will die before I get back . . . plus it's supposed to pour with rain the next few days. Ah, the circle of life.
Leaks drive us ALL crazy! They're so very frustrating... I have a leak in my smallest pond, but it will be replaced as a part of my larger newer pond, so at this point I don't worry too much about it. It always drops 6 inches immediately, and then stops. You'd think that as quickly as it drops, I'd be able to see a hole, but nope...nada...
Mary, normally in the summer if there's no rain I'll add 75 gallons of water once a week or so. I have a good deal of the water surface covered with water lilies, so not a whole lot of evaporation. But right now, I'm adding water every day unless it rains. So there's definitely a slow leak somewhere.
No, I've almost never put untreated tap water into the pond. I have a rain barrel that I fill with tap water, and let it warm up and 'off gas' before I add it. Also treat it with 'Stress Coat' to remove the chlorine and chloramines, and the stuff also is supposed to condition the fishes' skins. This little pond is only about 750 gallons, so a relatively small amount of water, and I didn't ever want to disrupt the nice balance in there by altering the chemical situation.
I don't even use my untreated well water for the pond, as it's pH is way too high, and it has a high sulphur content, too. It's great for irrigation, though.
MerryMary, have you looked carefully at exactly the level where the water stops dropping? That's undoubtedly where the leak is!
Glad I'm not alone with the leak situation. If it were in the ponds we could patch it easily. I now have everything on the market for patching or attaching EPDM liner. Husb. feels its the stream bed so he has taken all EPDM liner material out and made a culvert of sorts using a 9" PVC pipe. Can't really describe it but I will take pics before I glue small rock to it on outside to disguise it. He sure has done a lot of work on it so I really hope it works. Has it glued tog. with PVC cement, also 2 hose clamps, also steel plate around center join. Plans to put seam tape around ouside for liner also hose clamp it in place. If that leaks he'll give up. He sawed the length of pipe in half but left complete round sections on each end. Had to join sections hence the reinforcement in center. When rain stops here we'll get it put in and pray.
Have a good week all.
Well Bonnie, it will be interesting to see what you find, because our next pond will have a small water fall with a stream through a planted bio pond, feeding into the big pond. I'm hoping to not(?) have any leaks along the stream bed, so will carefully listen to what you have to say.
Dyzzy...I've scratched my fingernail all along the edge where the waterline drops to, to try and find a hole...but never have been able to find anything. The good news is, that that small pond will be eliminated, and absorbed into the new pond space. :)
Yours should be problem free IF you pull liner right up to falls roll it around a board and screw liner to it. Then shove the board under lip of falls and screw board to under side of lip. Our waterfall is 36" wide (first pond we built) back leaked at first and then a man at Aquatic Eco Systems in Apopka suggested that to us and it has never leaked since. My husb. has had lots of patience with my pond adventures believe me. He never gives up and always gets problems fixed. Having to cut the liner on each end where it comes out of one pond and goes into another is what caused our problems. There is so much folded liner it wouldn't seal up tight. I'm sure we will cure it one way or the other. Neither of us give up easily.
Water is running thru the culvert. It looks hideous so I will try to disguise it with plants and rocks. My husb. knew how I felt just by the look on my face. If it hasn't leaked down by morning I'll add the salt and bacteria and proceed with landscaping around the whole thing. When finished I hope it looks more natural.
Mary, you won't have the problem cause yours can be continuous stream right from your waterfall on down.
Got to hit the sack cause daylight comes early and I'm out with the first lite.
Oh Bonnie...it sounds like the 2 of you have had quite a time working out the kinks! I certainly hope this final step IS the final step? Get a good night's sleep...I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you!
So far NO leaks are evident. I've started my disguising with 3 large clumps of asiatic jasmine which goes over whole pipe with one planted on each side. Pipe section that goes into small pond sticks out too far into pond so no place to put plant sooooo today I bought 2 lengths of that edging that looks ilke fence posts cut in half and is on bendable rubber backing. I'll just drape it over pipe, see how it looks and if its good will glue it in place. My youngest son came up with that idea and some others. I'll try anything once.
My favorite nursery had a sale today on dwarf tibochina so got 30 to go along back side of pool.
If anyone coming to RU wants them just let me know and I'll go back and pick more up. $1.50 ea. and there about 18" tall now and will grow to 4 feet.
Have a good weekend all.
I've been working on our place for almost 2 months getting ready for the RU Oct. 22 and frankly I'm about whipped. Dug up huge piece of jasmine today and covered exposed end but don't really think it will root I couldn't put a lot of soil there. After RU I'll send you some pics as I appreciate suggestions. Got several more things I have to do so I'm going to just wait. Have to re-cement boulders on edges to make them stable etc. etc. Nobody liked the wood post edging stuff so I didn't use it.
Planted 30 tibochina across back of my pool this morning. More mulch to spread. Haul tables home to use for RU.
Thanks much for offering to h elp. Wish you were closer.
I'd teach you how to run a tractor. While I was at work yesterday husb. found 7 bulls holes, filled them with dirt, moved manure away from where folks will drive in and put dirt there so today he's ready to mow pasture for parking. Got a grassy area closer to house I'm going to use for handicap parking. Got 1 gal from my church thats on a walker from knee replacement surgery
and she will get a kick out of that. If someone comes in a wheelchair we can use that area also.
I want everyone to be comfortable and feel at home..
Today after it warms up I'll transfer some fish to new ponds. I have water shoes so I just get into pond with them. Smaller ones are harder to dip up than big ones but I'll get them.
Getting near daylight so better get busy. Bonnie
Bonnie...Thanks so much for the pre-round-up tangerines! I can't get enough of them, tangerine season makes me deliriously happy! I took a handful in my suitcase to the meeting in Baltimore... The chilly folk LOVED the Florida offering! I hope all little fishies are alive and kicking!
A-John...thanks for posting the pics...I was so sad I couldn't be in town the weekend of the round-up...Bonnie is quite a host, who makes you feel MORE than welcome!
Downsizing the pond by 1/2 and making a water garden out of the other half. Cut the fish by almost half and am adding another filter beside the one I have. Want to make the water clear after three years of failure.
TARogers, that is quite a project ya got there! It's going to be really beautiful.
Next spring, I'd be glad to send you some of my water iris. They filter the water incredibly well. I've never had a problem keeping my little pond clear as a bell, no matter how careless I get about cleaning the filter. Cannas are another great filter plant.
The pond was 5000 gal. Had 24 Koi in it. 4500 gal hr pumpl and Savio F200 filter. The other F200 came in today.
Have a 12 X 15 foot area that I will cover over with the liner to a depth of 1 foot. Connected to the pond over the center wall. Thought of filling it with rocks, plants and gravel so the fish can go up into it. Anyone seen something like that. Alge was not my biggest problem it was just dirty and filters would not clean it up. Too many fish too. Have 16 left and am going to cut that to about 8 keepers.
My new pond project, to replace my old ponds, will be an 18 x 30 (or so) with a smaller 12 x 7 bog bio pond, with a water fall into the main pond. I'm hoping the plants in the bio pond (all roots and pea gravel, no soil) will clear the water naturally, before it drops into the main pond (which will still have a filter and UV) I'm using canna, water iris, lotus, and purple stemmed taro. The taro grows quite a root system.
Once it gets to the main pond, I wont have much plant life in there...just a few lilies and umbrella palm.
That is essentially what we have. We do have a pump that empties into the bog and then there are 3 other waterfalls. We used water celery, with the fibrous roots, they do catch a lot of crud. Water celery does do the job, but because of how invasive water celery is, I would not use WC again. The bio bog, does do the trick for us. This in conjunction with the uv lights, goes a long way to keeping the water clear...
I would love to see pictures when you are finished.
Since we've had this little pond, I've seen lots of other ponds with murky water problems. MerryMary, I think your natural solution is wonderful.
I think the most important factor for clear water is to have enough filter plants to balance with the number of fish in the pond, they feed on the fish waste and keep the water very clean if you have enough. But you might need more plants if you let the ducks hang out in there!
I do think you need to pay attention to other factors such as runoff from the garden and lawn when it rains, as well. Covering some of the water surface with lily pads in summer helps a lot to filter, and prevent algae, too. (algae needs sunlight) Plus it keeps the water cooler, lessens evaporation, and gives the fish a place to hide from marauding birds. What a shame that water lilies are so beautiful as well, huh??
TA, you sure wouldn't have any algae with 24 koi in your pond! If you reduce the population to only 8, you may never have to feed them at all. (that would help with water clarity, too, of course)
Doesn't it strike you that the pump is a little undersized. My pond is only 3000 gallons and we have one pump rated @ 5000gph pumping to the biofalls, a 2500 gph pumping from the 4' depth to the pressure filter. I surely wish I had some way to introduce a bog garden. I am having some rework next summer but it won't increase the size of the pond and I can't give up any of the little I have. My water is clear though tinted a bit with green. Long sunny days, no shade. We have both a 25W UV in the filter and a 55W stand alone. I have water celery also around the edges but it all but dies off each winter. I was amazed that any of it came back. Parrot feather is a nice plant along with the lilies.
I agree with MS. I thought the pump was on the smallish side as well. With fish - especially koi, it is better to go larger than what the pond 'should' have. At a minimum, you want to have the number of gallons turned over in the pond at least 1/2 the number of total gallons in an hours' time. Overkill on the pumps and uv wattage are better.
Additionally, TA - I am assuming the reason you have so many fish is because they do breed. There are ways to take care of that as well. Please remember, koi create a lot of waste and fish waste will also increase ammonia and decrease oxygen levels in the water. Where have your water parameters tested out to recently?
TA - Depends on your head pressure. How far does the water have to travel to get from the pump to the waterfall? This will greatly impact how much water is turned over in an hour.
Typically a pump will give the rating as the maximum gph and this does not include how far the water will have to be pushed. This will affect the output of your pump and diminish the gallons per hour that are ultimately put out. One thing you can do, is to cut the top off a gallon milk jug, but keep the handle on the jug. Clean it out well and have another person with a stop watch and measure the time it takes to fill the gallon container full of water with the stopwatch and then you can multiply how many of these gallons it would take in an hour. This will give you an accurate reading as to how much water is actually turned over in your pond in an hour.
Carolyn, you are SO clever. That is just what my engineer husband did, only used a 3 gallon bucket. I forgot about the head loss.
The pond is frozen so I am going out to tap the ice. I don't think it is so thick as to bother the fish but I have got to get the deicers in. tomorrow we will pull the pressure filter and put the pump in the pond floor to circulate the water at the bottom.
Just came back in. I got one deicer in the skimmer and one on top of the ice in the shallow end. It will melt through in a bit. My baby gold fish is out sort of laying on the bottom, or very slowly swimming around. Not sure why. He made it through last winter, so hope he is okay now.
Thank you, however, I cannot take credit for this idea - this was DH's idea and truthfully, I am not very good in the area of Mathematics. DH is better with math than I am, but my Dad is really better than all of us with math.
TA, your arrangement is beautiful and when you are through you can stand back and say I DID THAT and to me that means a lot.
So far all the fish you brought over and living. I even got to see 4 of the butterfly you added to oldest pond today. They are grreat hiders. The small ones in smallest pond came up to eat yesterday. One of the largest black & orange ones died after his ordeal of jumping out of sick tub I quaranteened it in and landing in small pond where I let him stay. He had started rollilng over onto his side. His ballast was off. Store said to feed him green peas but I couldn't get them into him.
First one lost since I started ponding. Sad. Hope the trend doesn't continue.
BTW water is very green in new ponds--any thoughts for cure. Has bacteria & pondzyme in it. Just dawned on me maybe UV isn't working right. I'll check that in AM.
I will be very happy for you when you get your own place. I love my home place.
Thanks to Merry Mary I have many more baby koi fry coming along. When we loose a cow now thats a loss but it has happened. Just part of life.
If you ever get up this way you must stop in. Bonnie
Definitely check the UV, if you have it on the small ponds, and it's working correctly, the water should be clear within a week. The bulbs only last about a year, even if you still see them glowing.
I'm sorry to hear about your fish baby. Luckily you have others, and I'm bringing you one more *you'll be happy about this one... :)
Went to Acquatic Eco. this PM and bought a new larger UV clarifier. Hope Charlie will get it in tomorrow. Got lots of dr. apmts. on and off next week. Got to find out whats making my legs go humb and pain so much.
Now you have me excited about a new fish. Please call. If you lost my no. 352-394-4883 or cell 352-223-1611. I know I have to be home Tuesday as sewing mach. repair man is coming and I've got large job on table.
Looking forward to seeing you again and please take more tangerines as nobody here eats them but cows.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to pump out 1/2 of the water and refill with clean?
Bonnie...No worries, I have family here from Ohio for the weekend, so later this week is better for me too. I'd leave whatever water is in there, there. Start running the new UV, You'll know within a few days if that's the issue, but with the main problem being green water, it should clear it right up. Once the water is clear, you;ll be able to see if there's anything that needs to be taken care of (heavy acorns on the bottom that are decomposing, leaves, sand or mulch from the water fall, etc) At that point you will also know if you need to do a partial water change.
Glad your enjoying family. UV turned on yesterday. Butterfly koi in pond with waterfall finally mingling with bigger ones.
Geez what snobs. Maybe they were afraid they would eat them.
See you later this week.
Bonnie, did you manage to find any water iris yet? I'm sure they will help the situation.
Also barley straw works very well. I bought a 'barley ball' and after I stir my pond up in the spring, cleaning it and planting stuff, I put it in and within a week, between the barley straw and the irises, the water's clear as a bell again.
Other friends I've talked to have had the same experience. It seems to gather the particles in the water like a magnet.
After this weekend, I'll have a little bit of open time, so if you need help with your pond, I can buzz over and we can take a look at what's going on. I really think the UV will help immensely. What size bulb are you getting?
Dyzzy, Haven't had time to look up water iris yet. I used to use barley bales guess I'd better order some more.
Carolyn, This time I mdae them plug it in before we brought it home and new one is working now.
Mary, This one is a 30watt bulb. Also, bought an extra bulb just in case. Son said filaments could break easily in that type of bulb just from rough handling.
Don't have doc. apmt. today so I'm going out and wash all filtration materials on all ponds. BTW Mary all fish you put in first pond with large koi are now very visible and acclimating to their new home. Babies in small pond come up to eat and none are floating bellyup so thats great. Got 8:45 apmt. with local doc tomorrow after that will be home weeding vegie garden out back. Mary tangerines are sweetening up so anytime you can come over we'll pick you some. Just remembered Sat. have to go to Okeechobee to funeral. Call me when you can.
Good news the 2 newer ponds are clearing up. UV is doing its job. Saw one baby that looked white with big black spots, very pretty. Thanks to Merry Mary I think we have reached our capacity for fish amount. Don't want to overload the ponds.
1 more or 3 won't hurt a thing. I'm looking forward to THE surprise.
In Old pond-3 mature butterfly- 1 oranda-7 or 8 baby butterfly.
New larger pond-4 or 5 goldfish-3 black & orange reg. koi
In new small pond (I call it the nursery) Mary said about 20 and some of them that I could see pretty clear are going to be beauties. I'll have to try and get some pics for you Carolyn. Not the smallest ones cause they dart around like their on speed.
The water temp yesterday was almost 70 so they are still happy to eat. I sit and watch them eat and its very relaxing to me.
Blood tests this AM and MRI this afternoon so for now I'll go out and watch my fish. The weather here is simply beautiful just right. I'm always glad to see the summer heat go.
Bonnie...Any you don't like can certainly go to your son's pond! ;) I know which one he has his eye on though! Give me a week or so, I have one more upcoming tournament this weekend, and I have to admit, I'm not as young as I used to be.
Jeff's not getting the red and white one----it has turned out to be the most social and leads the others around trhe pond.
I've wanted a red and white one for quite a while so its staying. A friend was here looking at them last week and said "my goodness that one already has leadership characteristics". Thought I'd flip. Fish do seem to cause some intersting comments.
I'm going over to Biosphere one day and get plants for all the ponds. They sell pickerel weed which I have a load of in our canal down back but getting them out is another story. Once I got stuck up to my knees in the mud and Charlie had to throw me a rope from his tractor and until I could get my feet out of my boots I could not get out. How our cows walk in and out of the canal I don't understand. Charlie says they know exactly where to step. I sure didn't.
Next two weeks no dr. or medical tests. Woo hoo.
Look forward to seeing you. Bonnie
If you need water plants, let me know...I have a few different ones I can share... Poor Jeff, I know how he eyeballed the one fish, I'll look for another one ( although I have to admit that I loved watching him harrass you taking it from you)
Can always use plants. Some I bought for first pond fish have made look ragged cause they eat them. I'm always leary they will croak but guess they know what is good for them.
Hope to see you next week.
Water tamp was 76 today so they are still eating like pigs. Babies are growing right along. First winter I had them I didn't know they stopped eating but they did so I stopped feeding them. My husb. hates cold weather and he says the fish are
like him they don't like the cold so they quit eating.
When water gets down to 50 they will stop eating. Smart little things. They understand their digestive systems better than I do.
Happy Thanksgiving and stay warm
Hope everyone had a truly blessesd Chrstimas. I'm happy when all my family gets together. Only 1 missing was Cal. son and his fam.
I got a new all white koi for my birthday from youngest son. Unfortunately he forgot to turn his pump back on on his pond overnight and lost his prized red & white one and one other.
MERRY MARY he asked me to call you and see if you had one he could buy. PLEASE let me know. It was his favorite Creamsickle. All his other fish are fine.
IIf you don't have any I am going to give him mine. He loves his fish and tries to take good care of them.
I often forget to put my pump back on after feeding but it has never bothered any fish. Guess its becaause its bigger pond and retains more oxygen.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
You both are on such opposite places with opposite weather conditions...
We finally had a hard freeze on the pond last night. Found out the oldest of the deicers died, so had to run out and get another one. We got lucky, it was the last one that Tractor Supply had. By this afternoon, the ice on the pond was just slush. I would be happy if this was the worst we got all winter, but I know that I tend to live in denial when it comes to winter weather.
Mary - I have to tell you, the first part of what you wrote about with the car and the block and heater, reminded me of some of my husband's stories about winter. He grew up in Watertown NY. We commonly refer to it as Siberia, but I think you are living closer to Siberia...
It is quite a bit south from Watertown. Binghamton NY is about 45 minutes north east of me. They tend to have it a bit cooler than we have it and for some reason, it always seems to be rotten weather when you have to go to the EA Link Airport in Binghamton.
Bonnie, I'll certainly take a look and see if I have one that looks like his old one. Can you give me a better description? If I don't have a match, I certainly have plenty of other koi! I need to drop off your blue baby anyway! How big is his pond, so I know what size he can handle?
Oh how nice! I was just out looking at my pond. It froze over briefly the day before yesterday. We found that one of our deicers was not working. Thankfully, Tractor Supply had one left. The pond is now covered with slush...
I can see my babies sitting at the bottom of the pond. Every once in a while I see movement. Can't wait until I can sit outside with them, although it is warm enough to sit outside...
Guess what--tonight we are supposed to go down to 32 degrees and tomorrow nite 28. All my tropical plants are wrapped with landscape blankets. I told all the fish to head for the bottom and stay there until it warmed up. it was so warm today they all ate. i'm mainly concerned about the babies. i sure hope they stay ok.
The fish should be ok, don't feed them for the next few days...and don't turn any of the pumps off. The plants are going to suffer. I have way to much to cover and/or bring in. I'll do my best with what I can. Blah... I vote that Florida never drops below 40.
I never turn the pumps off and didn't feed them this morning and won't until temp goes back up. My water thermometer is floating around someplace in the pond but the fish let me know when its too cold to eat.
let's hope for the best for our plants and fish.
Mine did very well. I never turn the pumps or filters off, they run all year. The only thing that suffered was my tropical fish, which when in the edges of the big pond, usually survive, but I currently have them in smaller preformed ponds up on my deck. Even though there are smaller pumps and filters in there, it was just too cold, and most are goners...as well as my tadpoles. The surface of the water lily tubbies froze, so the leaves are gone, but they will resprout as the weather warms, and once they go into the new bigger pond. If I ever get the new bigger pond done, lol !
Ran away for couple of days to my friends ranch. Love to ride over the 900 acres and look for birds, wild turkey and deer.
Immediately checked my fish when I got home today and fed them as water was warm enough.
Merry Mary, please measure along side of your house and if you have 70" I can get my Kubota into your back yard. Would like to see the location first to determine where dirt can be piled thats dug out etc. It's time you got going on your larger pond before hot weather sets in. I'm sure you will need a lot of shoveling but the Kubota can do a lot of initial digging. I'm sure I can borrow a smaller trailor to haul it on as ours is way too big. I told you I would help dig your pond and I will. You just name the time. I marked my ground layout with orange spray paint and that sure helps. Just let me know ahead of time to arrange for trailor.
Hi Oberon & Carolyn,
So far so good. A few plants have curled up brown tipped leaves on the top but closer to bottom look fine. No pruning until March. Learned that the hardway. We usually have freezes in Feb.
Fish are all swimming around happy so I'm happy and thankful. We had a beautiful sunny day today which is good cause I removed all the landscape blankets yesterday but kept them on ground right in front of plants they go to. I'm sure they will have to be covered again before winter is over with. Hope all your fishies are doing OK.
Temp here today was 79 and fish in all ponds came right up to eat. One black & orange koi in goldfish pond jumped stright up out of water and looked like it was doing a peorett when I walked by the pond. Guess he was doing his happy dance or whatever. Good thing he was in the middle.
Bonnie, that's funny. My fish get excited when I go out to feed them, and last year one of them just flew out over the edge in his moment of leaping madness. He landed on the deck and just looked at me like "well this is awkward"...I just picked him up and put him back in. I envisioned the other koi calling him a knucklehead under water while he swam to the corner to pout.
Fish that did the leap was dead today. Same pond other one was in that died. That pond is joined to little pond that has babies in it. I examined it thoroughly. No visible signs of any infection, crud or ulcers on skin. Must be someting internal. I am thinking of adding salt to that pond tomorrow. Both fish that died were koi in with goldfish. Never had a problem with that before so not convinced its the goldfish. Both fish were about 10".
Hope this isn't a trend.
No recent yard chemicals (fertilizer, bug spray, etc)?
No overload of acorns, leaf drop, grass clippings, mulch?
No chlorine from a hose?
If none of the above holds true:
Start with salt...salt can't harm anything but a few leaves on some water plants. Watch how much you feed them on days where the water stays cool at night. Their metabolism has changed a bit with the cooler on and off Florida temps. High protein foods should be eliminated until consistently warm (both water and air) If you can't find cheap lower protein food (under 36%) then Cheerios are a clean grain based occasional food. Of course stop feeding them when it's cold. Frozen green peas add a little vitamin C to their immune system, and are a healthy veggie alternative (especially if they have food stuck in their guts from a lowered metabolism that isn't allowing them to digest food properly.
There is a clay powder that can be added to their food pellets, that also helps their digestion and adds missing minerals to their system.
If salt and reinforcing their cold weather diet isn't working...I'd then order some medicated food. Ebay has the best priced antibiotic food. I would do partial water changes, just to make sure the water parameters are balanced. After a week of a salted pond, I'd do a partial water change and add healthy bacteria again.
With no signs of infection (sores, ulcers, fin rot, etc) it's either the water, a gill problem, or parasites. Parasites tend to show up when the water is warmer...gill problems are hard to diagnose without a microscope and gill scraping (and you reported no gasping for air at the surface or hanging out at the water fall ) so I'm going back to water quality or food stuck in the tummy (it builds up gasses in their system)
Food is Tetra Premium diet for Koi and goldfish and all I can see on the bag under analysis is Min. crude protein, min. crude fat, max. crude fiber, max. moisture, min. phosphorus, min. ascorbic acidwhich is vit. C. I scoop out leaves every day but there isn't a lot. None of the first 3 causes you mention Mary. If leaves were the cause I would think the fish in the pond with the waterfall would be effected also. It's the pond with the fountain.
When I went out this morning to check them a baby had evidentally swam up the culvert against the current cause he was in fountain pond. Guess he wanted to join the big boys.
I'm going to put salt in, check parameters and STOP feeding. We shall see what happens.
Thanks for all your help.
So I am watching this thread and wondering how Bonnies fish are doing. I always treat my fish each spring with major chemicals and will hold any back if they don't seem "right" and continue to treat them longer. My first year ponding was a disaster and I never want that to happen again. Mine was a bacterial infection.
Now I never test nothing and hardly do anything EXCEPT the spring cleaning and all fish get treated for "the works". I do weekly/bi weekly water changes of 25%-50% .
I no longer test my water either. I use the enzyme/bacteria mix after I add water each week to top off the pond (the the Florida heat, we get a lot of evaporation)
If I suspect problems, I use salt...those 2 simple things seem to take away most of the headaches.
I'm happy to report no more dead fish and I guess adding water so often has brought amonia reading down. I did add salt and pondzyme and thats it.
Mothermole--My first year of ponding almost drove me nuts. No sick fish just cruddy brown water and couldn't see the fish. I was close to ripping pond up out of ground. In 6 mos. I pumped it completely out at least 4 times and refilled and it was clear for about 4 days then cruddy again. Then I started putting a foam filter over end of hose as we have iron water and it helped some so I still use it but when I bought a UV clarifier in 4 days clear as a bell. Boy did I do the happy dance. When I built the other 2 ponds first thing I bought was a UV clarifier for them. MerryMary saw them in Oct. and they are still clear. Oh the joys of ponding. Nothing is without its challenges. Now my first pond needs a new bulb in it's UV and when I get to Acquatic Eco Systems in nearby town I'll get a new one.
BTW many people told me to not expect clear water and I told them I'll have it or pond is going. Thank God it worked cause ripping all those rocks out I cemented tog. around it would have been a chore.
Progress report over and hoping for the best.
UV filters are the best things a pond owner can have! They also help kill some of the bacterias that cause fish problems. I get my bulbs off ebay, I've found good prices on there. They say that bulbs should be changed 1x year...even if it's still glowing, it's only half power...
MerryMary wrote:They say that bulbs should be changed 1x year...even if it's still glowing, it's only half power...
This is true - even for those of us that do not have our ponds running year round. The power from the uv bulb is never the same in the second year - we tried carrying the bulbs over another year with the idea that we had only used half the hours of the bulbs. So, we order new bulbs every spring.
Charlie put new bulb into clarifier yesterday so I expect it to be clearer in 3 or 4 days. I like seeing fish clearly cause you can spot skin problems quicker.
I read almost everything on that link you posted as it was very interesting. Was surprised about the sleeping sickness.
I am going to attend the Central Fl. Koi Show in March in Orlando and 1 day is an all day seminar for just $10. so I will certainly attend that. Bound to learn somethng I don't know. Also, going to look for a blue koi. I think they are beautiful.
Sure hope you can do someting for your fish. With them being under ice thats a problem.