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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

July 10, 2009
10:30 PM

Post #6803730

Just thought it was time to start posting some happy fish and ponding pictures. We've all had a few bumps over the past year, but all in all, ponding is still addicting, and the rewards outweigh the negatives and keep us all going. This water lily is Tina, one of my favorites.

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

July 10, 2009
10:31 PM

Post #6803734

Another shot of Tina.

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

July 10, 2009
10:33 PM

Post #6803746

Big Gus...the camera hog. I'm honestly not even sure if he's a male(?) That was the name he/she came with when I got "it". Probably about 24 inches.

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TXdoodlebug
San Antonio, TX

July 10, 2009
10:42 PM

Post #6803779

What a gorgeous color (Tina), it's beautiful - I have a teenie (88 gal) pond so I can't even think about Koi, just little goldfish but I could have a waterlily or two. Do you remember where you got it? Thanks.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 11, 2009
12:35 AM

Post #6804236

Beautiful lily Merrymary. Wish that one was hardy in zone 7..It is a beauty!

The frogs seem to be happy that it is summer. This guy is grinning ear to ear now that he has discovered a little cave between the rocks. The bugs won't see him coming!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 11, 2009
12:37 AM

Post #6804249

The koi enjoy playing follow the leader.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 11, 2009
12:39 AM

Post #6804253

The view is good when you sit on the water lettuce.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 11, 2009
12:43 AM

Post #6804265

This little guy is a good jumper. He jumped from the wet spot on the gray rock in one jump. It is at least a foot or more .

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TXdoodlebug
San Antonio, TX

July 11, 2009
2:57 AM

Post #6804831

Beahive - What is that spikey looking plant in the background of the last picture?
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 11, 2009
3:53 AM

Post #6805042

Siberian Iris..with no more blooms or way to the right there is a dried allium shubertti?

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

July 11, 2009
11:23 AM

Post #6805512

I think I got Tina off of ebay. It's a smaller lily, so good for smaller ponds or tub water gardens.
TXdoodlebug
San Antonio, TX

July 11, 2009
6:53 PM

Post #6807052

Thanks, BeaHive - it's the dried allium shubertti - now I recognize it as an allium. I love the shape, even dried I think they're pretty but I'm really jealous of your cute froggy. I don't have any frogs yet - six goldfish and lots of plants but no frogs or even toads - did have a garter snake having a swim though. Not welcome.


...and MerryMary - thanks for the info, I love to buy plants off Ebay (haven't had a bad experience yet) so I'll try that - glad to know it's small, which is what I need, again the color is just beautiful.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 12, 2009
12:12 AM

Post #6808125

This one was relaxing doing his yoga.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 12, 2009
12:15 AM

Post #6808136

Actually he was quite stressed as he pondered how to get the red dragon fly high on top of the hyacinth blossom. His attempt failed.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 12, 2009
12:16 AM

Post #6808145

Several of the turquoise dragonflies were in the pond today. They are so pretty.

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TXdoodlebug
San Antonio, TX

July 12, 2009
1:23 AM

Post #6808420

BeaHive, your pictures are so lovely - what a great thread, keep 'em coming.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 12, 2009
1:40 AM

Post #6808503

Three frogs in this shot. Can you find them?

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 12, 2009
1:42 AM

Post #6808512

oops..this is the follow the leader pic I meant to post.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 12, 2009
1:45 AM

Post #6808519

The hyacinth leaf makes a good chin rest.

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sylvi74
East Bethel, MN
(Zone 4a)

July 12, 2009
4:47 PM

Post #6810247

BeaHive, that photo with the lily and dragonfly is STUNNING! Thank you so much for sharing, you made my day.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

July 12, 2009
4:49 PM

Post #6810251

The color on that lily is beautiful. I love the little blue dragonflies!
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 16, 2009
12:11 AM

Post #6824462

Hiding under the lily pads. I laugh every time they do this . I guess they do not realize that they have a back end!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 16, 2009
12:14 AM

Post #6824477

This little guy was perplexed by the frog thermometer.

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FrillyLily
springfield area, MO
(Zone 5b)

July 16, 2009
4:37 AM

Post #6825411

ahhh, love at first sight !
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 19, 2009
10:29 PM

Post #6838922

Enjoying the water lily

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 19, 2009
10:30 PM

Post #6838927

This lily looked so pretty today

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 19, 2009
10:32 PM

Post #6838930

A lazy Sunday afternoon just chillin until...

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 19, 2009
10:33 PM

Post #6838933

a large group of Koi invaded my space!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 19, 2009
11:43 PM

Post #6839176

A stolen kiss.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 19, 2009
11:45 PM

Post #6839184

picture posted the correct way..

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 19, 2009
11:46 PM

Post #6839189

Yikes..more want to kiss me..better get out of the water now!

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

July 20, 2009
2:22 PM

Post #6841358

Hey! You never know what happens when a frog gets kissed! You may end up with a strapping pool-boy who will clean your ponds for you. Go for the kiss!
mothermole
Deer Park, IL
(Zone 5b)

July 20, 2009
4:26 PM

Post #6841912

Yeah on the Pond Boy!
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 20, 2009
6:20 PM

Post #6842437

I like the way you both think! Pond boy..that would be great!! I have been putting off getting in the pond and clipping the dead water lily pads and blooms. The water is so clear and seems to be in balance now and I really hate to mess it up. Also there are the new polywogs in there and I would hate to step on one. Yuck.. Found one in the skimmer basket this morning. He was Ok but could not get out on his own.. Scooped him out and he was on his merry way!


Pic of polywog from yesterday

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mekos
Fair Play, SC
(Zone 7b)

July 24, 2009
8:53 PM

Post #6860600

My Green Smoke water Lily bloomed today. I just put a canopy over the pond to help shade it some from the hot evening sun so the picture isn't great, it's in a shadow.

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

July 24, 2009
9:55 PM

Post #6860821

mecos...Very pretty! It's been hot here all day too, I ran the hose in the ponds for a while to add some cool water.
mekos
Fair Play, SC
(Zone 7b)

July 24, 2009
10:55 PM

Post #6861053

Thanks, this is it's first bloom.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2009
4:02 AM

Post #6869647

Very pretty lily mekos!

On a hot day like today, I wish I was a frog and could just swim around the pond all day..

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2009
4:03 AM

Post #6869652

Or find a nice spot in the shade and just relax.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2009
4:06 AM

Post #6869656

Or play Marco Polo with some friends. These guys cheat. They do not close their eyes!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2009
4:09 AM

Post #6869664

Or practice your cliff diving! Just watch out for the sharks below!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2009
4:11 AM

Post #6869670

If water is not your thing..find a nice potted plant and practice your yoga!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2009
4:13 AM

Post #6869675

End your day with a nice algae bath at the spa.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2009
4:15 AM

Post #6869683

and a nice dinner...bugs of course! (creepy crawler on the rock above his head. )

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mekos
Fair Play, SC
(Zone 7b)

July 27, 2009
3:04 PM

Post #6870923

Those were so cute. Nice to start the day with. Great shots and thoughts! I love your lilies too.
mekos
Fair Play, SC
(Zone 7b)

July 28, 2009
5:10 PM

Post #6875846

I went out to look over my water plants today, and found a bud about to open on one I have never seen before. It looks like it will be red or bright pink. I'm not sure if it will be a water lily or one of my lotus finally blooming. The green smoke has put so many blooms on the last few days and now this one. I'm excited. Here is the red bud. Will up-date when it opens.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 29, 2009
2:11 PM

Post #6879655

This little frog was getting ready for a night of "bugging" getting just the right spot for anything that might fly by once the sun sets.

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TXdoodlebug
San Antonio, TX

July 29, 2009
2:35 PM

Post #6879771

Gosh BeaHive - your pictures are precious. I love that last one, so clear & up close. What kind of camera do you use? All you pics are great - keep 'em coming.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 29, 2009
2:43 PM

Post #6879804

I have a Sony Cyber-shot DSC-H2 model. They have a new H50 which has caught my eye. it has a 15 x zoom ,The H2 has a 12 x zoom. Here is the link for more info

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Cybershot-Digital-Optical-Stabilization/dp/B000ENN9BK
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2009
2:14 AM

Post #6887532

I came upon your thread, and really enjoyed the photos! they tell such stories, love the frogs!
I was very surprised to find an unusual squatter in my pond at the beginning of the summer. He was very shy at first, but has gotten used to feeding time, and starts paddling around in the middle of the pond looking for a hand out. I suspect that he's decided to stay put since we're having such a drought this summer!

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2vernes
Blytheville, AR
(Zone 7a)

July 31, 2009
3:54 AM

Post #6887941

Won't turtles eat small fish? Maybe I should ask how big he is? Looks like a red eared slider--someone correct me if I'm wrong. He is a cutie. Laverne
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
4:46 AM

Post #6888059

Great turtle. Wish I had one, but that might not go well with the Koi.

It was cooler tonight so I was sitting outside by the pond talking on the phone when I spotted this guy
eavesdropping on my conversation. He made me smile. So glad my camera was outside and I didn't mind him listening!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
4:48 AM

Post #6888064

This little guy was my morning greeting very early this morning. What a way to start your day!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
4:49 AM

Post #6888067

He must have just "woke up" as he soon did his morning stretch!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
4:53 AM

Post #6888072

Close by was his little friend..not quite a morning person. He was still a little blurry eyed.

I just noticed in this picture a reflection of his eye in the lower right of this photp. It kinda freaked me out there for a minute!

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rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2009
12:08 PM

Post #6888607

I see how hot you've guys been...I can absolutely sympathise!
Yes, he is a Red Eared Slider, and thankfully a vegetarian. I fed him some Papaya from the Papaya tree yesterday...I left it on the side of the pond and he dragged it into the water.

How big is your pond Beahive?

Rj
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
12:36 PM

Post #6888713

My pond is 3200 gals
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2009
1:14 PM

Post #6888835

nice, do you have a full size picture?
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
1:23 PM

Post #6888871

This is my pond from the summer of 2007 (1st summer)

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rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2009
1:25 PM

Post #6888874

what a great pond...do you have chairs by there?
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
1:27 PM

Post #6888882

And this shot is from last month. With all the growth it may be hard to make out the shape but I guess kidney bean is what it its called.

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rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2009
1:29 PM

Post #6888894

I know, mine is being engulfed by perimeter plants!
Beautiful looking..like the waterfalls..
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
1:39 PM

Post #6888934

I have my pink adirondack chair ..yes pink.. to the right situated at the end of the pond. I have seating in the gazebo for 4 and to the left of the pond I have a raised covered deck which can accomodate 10 sitting.. more if they bring a chair. LOL! My favorite place to sit is a large flat boulder (center left 1st picture) . Here I can feed the fish and converse with the frogs.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2009
2:09 PM

Post #6889097

LOL, yes my garden throne while not pink is located next to the pond. I build a 750 sq foot deck that surrounds the house, with a tree in the middle of it, and a curved edge with the pond right off the edge, so there is an elevated view to the pond...love it..I can spend quite a bit of time watching the ponds occupants. This year I decided to put tropical fish in the pond, aka Tetra Albino Barbs, oh my ..they are so entertaining..and they love the turtle, so they pester him to death. when I want to find the turtle, I just look for the barbs. I use a large aquarium heater for the brief couple of cold months.
I've named the barb school "The Apple Dumpling Gang" for their crazy antics.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
3:54 PM

Post #6889508

Sound like a great and active pond. With the cold winters here all my critters and fish go night night for many months and I miss their company. I was think of making a small pond on my deck with a heater so I could enjoy them in the winter as well. Will see what this winter brings.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2009
4:11 PM

Post #6889555

I hear ya. I have one of those large cattle water troughs in my green house, I keep stocked with plants and fish. Sometimes in the winter I'll put my chair in there and hang out. The water trough doubles as the humidifier.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2009
9:57 PM

Post #6891009

Here's a picture of Turtle and the Apple Dumpling gang

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

July 31, 2009
10:06 PM

Post #6891055

Just got to love them. Cute shot!
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 31, 2009
10:08 PM

Post #6891061

the little buggers don't lounge around...hard to get shots
TXdoodlebug
San Antonio, TX

August 1, 2009
12:23 AM

Post #6891624

You have a greenhouse rjudd! Lucky you, I can't think of a better combination than a greenhouse AND a pond together.
How big is the pond in relation to the greenhouse? Can you send pics of some of your plants and maybe some shots of the interior including the pond? Thanks.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 1, 2009
9:34 PM

Post #6894894

I have some green house photos here..
http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/t/rjuddharrison/1826/
and this is the water trough in the green house.

For our nature lovers, I went to see our local bat colony exit from under a bridge last night, was rather an impressive thing to see. I captured some on video, and posted in a Houston Chronicle blog.
http://www.chron.com/channel/houstongardening/commons/persona.html?newspaperUserId=rjudd&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog:rjuddPost:17d4e3ae-cf88-44ae-b93f-da0ad1887f82

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 1, 2009
10:07 PM

Post #6895025

Very interesting. Did you bag some Guano?
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 1, 2009
10:26 PM

Post #6895098

No, Ieft it there.
TXdoodlebug
San Antonio, TX

August 2, 2009
1:03 AM

Post #6895690

VERY interesting pictures, thanks. I love the idea of the mosquito netting - now I just need a greenhouse to go with it.

Seriously, where did you get those light sticks? - I love those - must have. I've never seen them before - do you remember where you bought them? I too, have a hobby horse, but mine is upstairs on a landing visable from downstairs and upstairs. I bought it for outside but unfortunately it's made of paper mache - one of those beautiful 'critters' made in Mexico. I love it but it would quickly deteriorate outside - hope you remember where you bought the light sticks, I just love them.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 2, 2009
1:49 PM

Post #6897165

They are actually meant for the underside of umbrellas. I bought them at a store called Big Lots, and as much as I've looked, I've never seen them again. I take a lot of LED lights, and make them into something more interesting. Nothing is permanent around the garden, and the lights are recycled into new lights as I experiment with new things. I've kept a record of some of them if your interested.
http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/t/rjuddharrison/1992/

I don't mean to go off topic BeaHive.

When the Herons kept coming and snacking my fish, I put a decorative shop light over the pond suspended on a tall plant hanger pole. It's great at night because it's all black, and it's hard to find where the source of the light is. It works in keeping the Herons out. Now for the Racoons!
TXdoodlebug
San Antonio, TX

August 3, 2009
5:57 PM

Post #6902250

Thank you RJ - I book marked your link - you have really peaked my interest in creative lighting and some of your pictures are just beautiful. Truly thinking outside the box and I know I have lots of "good junk" in the garage that I'm looking at in a different light, pardon the pun. If you happen to see any more light sticks, please let me know where. I did check Ebay, no luck.

Beahive, I'm so jealous of your little frog guys - so precious. I especially love the picture of the little frog ready for a night of "bugging" as you say. Great picture. I'm going to check into that camera too. Fun thread, thanks.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 3, 2009
7:46 PM

Post #6902704

Thanks, I will grab a few boxes if I ever run accross them again.

More frogs!
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 26, 2009
2:47 AM

Post #6988826

In the top center of this picture,lunch has arrived.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 26, 2009
2:48 AM

Post #6988832

This one is all tucked into the water lettuce for an afternoon rest.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 26, 2009
2:49 AM

Post #6988836

This is an Oregon spotted frog juvenile. He is hiding as the bull frog is their #1 enemy.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 26, 2009
2:51 AM

Post #6988845

What a life!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 26, 2009
2:53 AM

Post #6988858

Can't forget our fishy friends.They were munching on the parrot feathers

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 26, 2009
2:54 AM

Post #6988865

And two water lilies looking so lovely today.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 28, 2009
10:26 PM

Post #6999087

Blooms finally on my water Canna

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 28, 2009
10:28 PM

Post #6999092

Grinning ear to ear!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 28, 2009
10:29 PM

Post #6999097

Enjoying life in the pond.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

August 28, 2009
10:30 PM

Post #6999103

Look deep into my eyes!!

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

August 29, 2009
2:39 AM

Post #7000015

Love the fish picture update! :)
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

August 29, 2009
8:42 PM

Post #7002150

MerryMary, What a lovely thread,
I have very few froggie pics this year as they are very shy. Much like you my small ponds are overwhelmed with plant life. I know there are a few fish in under that foliage but hard to find as well. I did have a very small turtle but I haven't seen him at all for quite some time now so I'm not sure if he is still living in there anymore.
Beahive, Your pond is lovely.
Rjudd, I have a very large african cichlid and was thinking about putting it out in the bathtub pond as I thought it would be a rather warm pond but I decided on a few fantails instead. I am planning a small water garden for in the GH when we finally get started on it. I would love to try a few tropical water lilies.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

August 29, 2009
8:54 PM

Post #7002170

One of the big surprises for me is the Purple Taro (at least that is what I think it is). It sent out several very long shoots that laid in the water and have rooted. One of them also made what I would describe as a corm with new leaves.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

August 29, 2009
9:31 PM

Post #7002296

This pond also has a pretty little water lily that just keeps putting out one bloom after another.

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

August 30, 2009
1:56 AM

Post #7003135

HollyAS...I have 2 different purple stemmed elephant ears. One is a colocasia, which has a dull leaf. The other is an alocasia with a shiny leaf, which I love much more. I don't know the official name of either. It looks like you have the shiny leaved one. Alocasias can't take as much water as the colocasias, so I'm glad to see yours are alive and well!
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

August 30, 2009
1:11 PM

Post #7004127

I really like this plant, here is a little closer look at the leaves. They are somewhat mottled with a lighter and darker green. Purple veins and leaf edge. All makes a rather attractive plant. I will need to pull it inside for the winter and not quite sure if I should try and let it go dormant (like I do with my caladiums) or keep it growing. I haven't had the best luck in trying to keep them growing over winter. Most of my house plants are outside for the summer and it will be close quarters when they all come back inside. The pot doesn't sit deep in the pond but the dirt in the pot is pretty much covered with water. It sits in the water to the edge of the pot, sometimes just out of the water or in depending on rainfall.

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

August 31, 2009
1:15 AM

Post #7006390

I have that one too...I think that's an alocasia. I can't remember the name though. I'm in zone 9b and leave mine drier in normal potting soil for the winter. They go dormant a bit (occassionally holding a leaf or 2, but sprouting no more growth until spring) but I've never had their roots in the water for the winter.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

September 9, 2009
10:55 PM

Post #7045432

This guy is always smiling!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

September 9, 2009
10:57 PM

Post #7045437

This one is spread eagle between two hyacinth leaves.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

September 9, 2009
10:58 PM

Post #7045442

Front view.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

September 9, 2009
11:00 PM

Post #7045445

This one is very dark green. Guess he is not using sunscreen!

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Dirt_Road
Janice~ Gulf Coast, MS
(Zone 9a)

September 10, 2009
7:04 AM

Post #7046693

"This one is very dark green. Guess he is not using sunscreen!"


LoL that was very cute... Nice picture too..
FrillyLily
springfield area, MO
(Zone 5b)

September 11, 2009
3:45 AM

Post #7050110

I don't know, he looks more to me like he is just the dark and handsome type lol

MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

February 28, 2010
4:15 AM

Post #7593546

We've had more than our fair share of cold weather this year. I know it's not like our friends up north, but we ( in Florida ) are not prepared for what we have been recieving. My ponds are much more shallow that the rest of yours, I've never had to deal with freezing temps, only extreme heat. Usually we have a week that has frost...this year we've had almost a month of night time temps around 30-35 degrees. A few of my larger fish are showing signs of stress. They have a few body sores, which I've never had to deal with before, so today I up'd the level of salt. Bacteria and enzymes won't do too much with the water this cold, but hopefully it will warm up soon, at least enough to add some.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

February 28, 2010
3:28 PM

Post #7594325

Oh Mary!

Body sores? You mean like ulcers? We have had that problem a couple of times. Seems like the triple antibiotic food did us more good than anything else, but the water needs to be warm enough for that too.

What are your water temps now? When is it supposed to warm up?
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

March 1, 2010
2:19 PM

Post #7596640

This morning the water was around 56, which is much better, although not close to normal. I've been trying to not feed too much while the temps are chilly, but I think medicated food may be the way to go as well. I'm keeping a fairly high salt level as well. I've pulled a few fish, swabbed their wounds with Potassium Perm and sealed it with BioBandage. I don't want to treat the whole pond and kill off the good bacteria that may be surviving the colder weather. If it warms up a few more degrees I can add more Good Bacteria/Enzymes to keep the infections down, but most dont work well in cold water. The night time temps will still be in the upper 30's this week.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

March 1, 2010
9:59 PM

Post #7597721

Mary

keep us posted and best of luck.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 2, 2010
2:47 AM

Post #7598383

Love is in the air! Its almost spring! One of the first frogs to come out of hiding. He is a bit confused about the ceramic frog however.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 2, 2010
2:49 AM

Post #7598388

Interesting pose shot!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 2, 2010
2:51 AM

Post #7598392

The Koi are starting to beg for food. They will need to wait just a bit longer for water to warm up.

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mothermole
Deer Park, IL
(Zone 5b)

March 4, 2010
8:38 PM

Post #7605393

Beahive-love your pictures-My fish are still very, VERY dormant on the bottom of the pond. I can't wait for them to start begging.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

March 13, 2010
10:40 AM

Post #7626123

MerryMary

How is it going with your fish? Are your temps warming up yet?
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

March 14, 2010
9:20 AM

Post #7628284

Thanks for asking. The water temps have been high 50's to low 60's. We're getting a warming spell this week, so even if it doesn't last long, hopefully it will warm up the ground to keep the temps consistant. I did a 25% water change and up'd the salt. We had 5 inches of rain the day before yesterday, so the water was once again changed by mother nature. .Knowing the salt is now diluted, I'm going to add some good bacteria and enzymes, to keep the aeronoma's under control. The same one fish with the ulcer still has it, I keep treating it, but he looks otherwise healthy and he's eating.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

March 14, 2010
2:14 PM

Post #7628879

MM

is the ulcer on that fish getting any better? I know when we had that problem, it did seem to take awhile before we saw a turning point.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 22, 2010
10:33 AM

Post #7647918

Pond clean out tomrrow has been scheduled. Hope these guys do ok living in a large tube for a few days.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 22, 2010
10:35 AM

Post #7647921

My frogs will need to hide for a while during the clean out. 3 so far have been spotted. Here are two that seem to hang out together most of the time.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 22, 2010
10:36 AM

Post #7647924

The third hiding in the plants.

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Kgb4013
Broxton, GA
(Zone 8b)

March 22, 2010
2:11 PM

Post #7648410

Hi Beahive, your frog is gorgeous. What are the plants in the picture? Sharon

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 22, 2010
6:06 PM

Post #7648986

Sharon, the plant is myosotis scorpioides or water forget me nots. They will have the little blue flowers soon. They have moved from the top of my falls to pond on their own. They are a great water plant but must be thinned often to keep them in check. Your pond and its surroundings are just beautiful.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

March 23, 2010
5:25 AM

Post #7649670

Beautiful pond pictures I must clean out my small pond soon. My pond doesn't look very good right now it froze over this winter and so far I've removed 4 dead frogs and a few fish. I don't see any life in it yet and I should be seeing fish moving around. It has been raining for the last couple of days and it is looking pretty good right now but they are calling for showers and the ground is pretty wet so I was thinking today might be a good day to drain the pond and get it cleaned out.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 25, 2010
6:22 PM

Post #7656068

Well the pond clean out was a huge success. Here is my pond empty with the wonderful young men at work..

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 25, 2010
6:24 PM

Post #7656077

This the son of my pond guy. He was catching the frogs and relocating them to nearby flower beds during the clean out. Sweet kid!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 25, 2010
6:27 PM

Post #7656092

The frogs however kept coming back and jumping in. This one was really surpised when he jumped in and the water had all been drained. I think was expecting a splash!! Rude awakening!! He quickly hopped back out and went to hide.

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

March 26, 2010
1:41 AM

Post #7656851

Beahive

I am surprised at the amount of rocks you have in the bottom of your pond. Is the whole bottom covered with them? Is this why the pond clean out? I ask because I know rocks on the bottom of a pond can be a real breeding ground for anaerobic bacterias. Just wondering - I know in your pictures that your water is always crystal clear and your fish always look very healthy.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 26, 2010
7:56 AM

Post #7657458

The whole pond is covered with rocks of all sizes. The pond was in need of a good cleaning as a plant I put in last year was taking over (can't think of the name) and there was so much sediment I could not see the beautiful rocks.
They also cleaned all the filters,and flushed the lines and cleaned out the pump. It is amazing how much "junk" accumulates over the years. Pond looks very nice now and the Koi are happy to be out of the holding tub.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 28, 2010
2:09 PM

Post #7662611

The pond is crystal clear and I can see the bottom now.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

March 28, 2010
2:11 PM

Post #7662620

A frog under water.

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bobgoestodaves
Parkville, MD

April 30, 2010
6:48 PM

Post #7752744

Hello Beahive,

It took quite a while for me to reach the end of this thread... So many beautiful frogs... did you bring them to your pond or did they come to you. i notice you have a fence surrounding your yard, does that keep the frogs in. my pond also froze and we had 65 inches of snow, we found 3 big bullfrogs dead in our waterfall. One survived. This is our 3rd summer with a pond , ours is similar to your 3200 gallons too. i am on east coast. Don't you have cold winters there what about your koi ? I have sun fish and comets. When we cleaned out our pond we put the fish in a baby pool. How many fish do you have in your pond /// so many questions LOL I love your pond and its great to share information with each other. I have a raccoon who is a predator sometimes. I live in Maryland.

Elaine

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 1, 2010
6:53 AM

Post #7753805

Elaine, glad to made it through this thread. Most of my frogs have found my pond. I am not sure how or why as there are plenty of lakes,rivers and culverts for them to choose from around here. I did have some tadpoles brought to my home last year by my daughters boyfriends as they need to be relocated from dried up culverts. The fence does not seem to deter them. They can squeeze under I suppose! LOL . It does get cold here in the winter but i am sure not as cold as MD. The lowest I recall in the 3 years I have lived here is 11 deg.(only a few days at that temp.) Normal winter temps are in the low 30's. Yuck! (coming from CA it is a big change for me) I keep my pond running year round to keep it from freezing. On those real cold days, I do get some ice so I put in a de-icer to keep the water flowing. I have 20+ Koi and they all seem to be doing great. They all survived the winter. They were all placed into a large plastic tub when the pond was cleaned up. Racoons can be a big problem for some ponds. Mine does not have much "shoreline" so it would be hard for them to get in and catch mine. A heron was a problem until I bought a plastic decoy Heron and that seems to have worked. It is always sad when you find a dead frog. I had a huge frog named Big Mama who I loved so much. I have a thread about her. http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/985971
I also rescued one this week and I have posted a few pictures & story on this forum. It is called frog 911. Here she is looking a bit dazed from her ordeal.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 1, 2010
4:05 PM

Post #7755159

Well, no frogs in this pond actually not much of anything in it yet. It is my bathtub pond and I empty it and pull everything out for the winter. Not that you can tell right now but I just cleaned and filled it a week ago and moved just one plant in it. I am babysitting my GS and his baby ducks for a few days while his Mom has some surgery. We thought they would like the bath tub and boy they sure did. LOL

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 1, 2010
4:11 PM

Post #7755175

The water looks pretty bad but it wasn't too bad until I started using it as a farm pond. LOL

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 1, 2010
4:16 PM

Post #7755191

One more, after about and hours swim I took them out and they followed me around the yard while I watered the plants. I will say that I'm real happy with this bathtub pond it looked really good last year and has turned into a nice little water feature.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 1, 2010
4:29 PM

Post #7755225

How cute are those ducklings! I saw some baby chick at the local feed store in town and I wanted to take them all home.(can't have them where I live..darn!)
bobgoestodaves
Parkville, MD

May 3, 2010
5:21 AM

Post #7759393

Thanks BeaHive,

I turn my pond off the end of October , just keep a couple of bubblers and a heated deicer in to keep a hole in the ice. Last night when i went out to turn off the sprinkler all of the frogs screech and jump into the water. all frogs are afraid of us... Once a squirrel was startled and jumped into my pond. we have a lot of animals in our yard and birds. I am attaching aphone of a bull frog. See if you have the same kind? it would be interesting. I had a heron also , although he didn;t get any of the fish. I believe I have about 30 fish. some had babys (fry)... sometimes I fee my fish orange halves, they eat all og the paulp and leave the peel. I also feed them earth worms which they swallow whole.They will also eat zucchini, and corn kernels. In three years i lost one fish, it was this year when i lost the fish. we had an exceptionally hard winter this year. what is your temptures like right now. Any lillys blooming ?
Elaine I have a sony camera too... I love my camera !!!

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bobgoestodaves
Parkville, MD

May 3, 2010
5:29 AM

Post #7759408

here is another frog in my pond

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bobgoestodaves
Parkville, MD

May 3, 2010
5:34 AM

Post #7759420

here is a shot of my pond this winter... Burrr...

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 3, 2010
6:30 AM

Post #7759582

Nice pictures. The one of your pond in winter amazes me. Hard to believe anything would survive being covered with that much snow. Our temps are still in the 40's at night and 50'-60' during the day. Still have lots of rain which I hope will go away soon! I have tried feeding grapefruit to my Koi, but they were not interested. My water lilies are growing and had my first leaf break to the surface. It will be awhile before any blooms.

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bobgoestodaves
Parkville, MD

May 4, 2010
7:39 AM

Post #7762992

No lily's yet either. I did however see the first hummingbird and first dragonfly yesterday. My lily leaves are coming to the service too. This is a very exciting time of year for pond.

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 4, 2010
9:15 AM

Post #7763225

Very nice pond!
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 4, 2010
11:02 AM

Post #7763476

Very pretty, Yesterday was pond cleaning, sorry to say that only 4 fish survived the winter and there were no frogs. But there are plenty of frogs out here singing at night so maybe a few will decide to stay. The plants are looking good. I picked up some fertilizer and today I will get everything fertilized and back in the proper ponds.
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 5, 2010
7:38 PM

Post #7768090

Fish are doing great and enjoying the sun (when it is not raining) .They are always looking for a handout!

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 5, 2010
7:40 PM

Post #7768098

Keeping my eye on this white one. She looks a little chubby..maybe some fry on the way?

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bobgoestodaves
Parkville, MD

May 7, 2010
8:32 AM

Post #7772002

To Merry Mary, I saw those blue lillys in the dr. foster and smith catalog but , i was disappointed that they were not for my zone :( They are so pretty. each day i go out and count the Lilly pads that our coming up. Its a little game to keep me occupied till the Lilly flowers come. Its amazing how many leaves come up each day ! I am having a graduation party for my daughter at the end of the month and hoping that one will open by then >>>>
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 7, 2010
6:53 PM

Post #7773792

I picked up a few gold fish today. I looked at the Koi but my ponds really aren't the type to display Koi. One of these days we will build the big pond and then I will have some.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

May 7, 2010
6:55 PM

Post #7773798

bobGTD...I have been looking again for more. I'm not sure mine survived this year's long winter freezes, which we are not used to having. I absolutley love them, the color lights up the whole yard, even if it's only 1 or 2 blooms.
bobgoestodaves
Parkville, MD

May 7, 2010
7:13 PM

Post #7773847

I saw them in the dr foster and smith catalog , the little blue lillys with the yellow center. I have been successful ordering Lilly's from the internet and all have survived.
So sorry to hear about your fish dying holly. That is very distressing . Even tho we had a terrible winter , the worst in my 57 years on this earth i only had one fish die and it was a sunfish. I also had One tadpole died but 10 others survived. Its strange that these tadpoles take so long to become frogs , i think they will be bull frogs. my first year of ponding, i had tropical lilys and they were purple and blue and opened at night. But they are not hardy , now i only have hardy ones that survive the winter. I have been counting the lily pads up to 67 now. waiting for the first bloom :)

Elaine

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BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 24, 2010
12:11 PM

Post #7823197

My pond today. Iris are blooming and it's beginning to look like spring around here. Now only if the sun would shine!

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Palomino33
Omega, GA
(Zone 8b)

May 24, 2010
5:47 PM

Post #7824120

awesome pics ladies
ApopkaJohn
Apopka, FL
(Zone 10a)

July 9, 2011
12:18 AM

Post #8681467

Last year I got three plecostumus sucker fish and put them in a 5 gallon bucket outdoors with some water plants. They did fine until February and they all died one day. Got down to 40 or 50 so I guess it was too cold for tropical fish. Our new pond is 5x5x3 and the front side faces my patio door. I got the rubber liner on ebay. The front side has glass, so we will see what's going-on under water, similar to a one-sided aquarium. The plan is to sit in my easy chair in the front room and look out through the glass door at the pond on the patio. A diamond in the rough! My problem is the easy chair doesn't get me outside to finish the project.

Seeing all your beautiful work in the pictures above makes me want to get-er-done.
The natural rain water has collected there, just waited to see what the natural chemistry will do.
No fish yet. Just a few dragon flies and a couple very LOUD frogs. Sqwak-sqwak-sqwak!

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 9, 2011
10:26 AM

Post #8682106

BeaHive, your pond is my ideal -- Not that the others are beautiful, but it most closely mirrors mine in size, configuration, rock, and skimmer. I do not have all the lovely greenery, and will never have it so lush because of where I am, but I notice that you use pots here and there to add to the arrangement. I have printed a color picture of your pond from here to keep as my target.

Do you have all koi or are there some goldies in there. I was told you cannot mix them. Also told not to have rock on the bottom. I am so confused. Now two of my new koi are dead, I have removed the gravel, put in meds and am beside myself. they insisted the rock had to go, and I just hate what it did to the look of my pond shallows. And I don't have the beautiful lily pads to hide it at all. May not have them til the end of July, just in time for fall.

Sorry, this is such an uplifting thread, and it did make me feel better. Just a little discouraged to try to hard and get such negative results. And I guess the inability to sift through all the 'advice' that seems to fly in the face of the lovely ponds I see here. Of course, we don't have your temps and I know that makes a difference in what 'grows' in the water, good and bad.
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

July 9, 2011
12:07 PM

Post #8682265

Mstella, there is a lot of conflicting information, isn't there? I don't think anything is true for everyone in all situations. Personally, I subscribe to the no rocks theory, but I absolutely love how it looks when I see a rock covered pond that is crystal clear. Some people obviously experience success with rocks, as evidenced by Beahives gorgeous pond! But you need to be prepared to clean it out somewhat regularly which is quite the chore. I have gotten used to my rockless pond and I find I don't even notice the liner anymore. If you can't grow waterlilies, maybe you can find other ways to take attention away from the liner. Planting perennials and small trees around a pond creates a lovely reflection in the water. Maybe a small weeping tree near "the shallows"? Can you grow JMs in your area?
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 9, 2011
1:09 PM

Post #8682346

I do have a crabapple next to the pond and the surface reflects the tree and the clouds sometimes obscuring the bottom. Others have said that the bottom will grey out after a bit and not be so obtrusive. My feeling is that the rock didn't hurt the pond, but when we hauled it out, oh what a mess was underneath. I did have plants and flowers around it last year but this year we were going to have work done on it (which never happened) so I not only didn't add plants, I dug some up and moved them. Looks pretty bare. Sorry, but what are JM's? I am sure I should know but it isn't clicking? Magnolias??
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 9, 2011
1:34 PM

Post #8682397

Japanese Maples.
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

July 9, 2011
1:34 PM

Post #8682400

Sorry, Japanese Maples.
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 9, 2011
2:24 PM

Post #8682454

Oh. Yes, I love them. I looked at some at Lowe's the other day but they are only good to -10 / -20. Could give them a try.

Did you notice an echo here? lol. I love how everyone chips in to help. Makes it all really nice. And very appreciated.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 9, 2011
2:44 PM

Post #8682476

LOL, My ponds are doing pretty good this year a few glitches, I left the water lotus in the bottom of my deeper pond and by the time I realized it was too late to move it to the shallower one. The new Tropical WL I ordered died right away. They looked fine when I potted them up but went down hill very fast. Other than that they are looking good.
You can see the water lotus sticking up in is pic. That small pond is 3ft deep.

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 9, 2011
3:08 PM

Post #8682508

Holly, what is the light green stuff in a patch next to the flowers? And is the little pond next to the black sundial?
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

July 9, 2011
3:32 PM

Post #8682560

Looks like we posted at the same time, Holly! Nice picture too
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 9, 2011
3:43 PM

Post #8682578

That is a variegated ornamental grass.
LOL on the sun dial. I can see why you thought that. It is a bird bath with a piece of driftwood sitting in it. The water pumps up though the birdbath and drips over the edge back into the pond.
Here is a closer look

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 9, 2011
4:17 PM

Post #8682624

I love that bright green grass. I assume you keep it under control by having it isolated in that island and you can mow around it. I see the little birdy now. I really didn't look closely enough the first time.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 9, 2011
5:59 PM

Post #8682781

I am probably going to take about 1/2 of that grass out this fall. It would be a lot taller too if I hadn't had Ric cut in back a couple of weeks ago. It does look great with my iris.

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 9, 2011
7:56 PM

Post #8682961

Heavens to mergatroid!! is that the pond? The little round circle? Amazing! It must really be well balanced ecologically. Better than I have managed. It is adorable.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 10, 2011
3:18 AM

Post #8683198

Thanks it is about 6ft across and 3 deep. It's concrete with a pedestall for the birdbath to sit on. There is no filter just a pump that pumps up thru both pedestalls to the bowl. I have fish, frogs and snails living in there, at this point you don't really see the fish as the water lilies have pretty much covered most of the open surface. The water lotus, water iris, pickerel weed and american water willow are in there this year, I change up the plants from year to year. I have two other small ponds but this is the deepest and where I overwinter all the fish and plants. This was taken last year.

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

July 10, 2011
4:13 AM

Post #8683226

Holly

what kind of fish do you have? I really like that it is around your bird bath. I would think the birds would like it too. Very nice.

Carolyn
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 10, 2011
5:35 AM

Post #8683329

It reminds me of a fish pond my great-grandmother had back in Oakland, Calif. She had one of those shotgun houses, very narrow and long into the lot with three floors and a big back yard. There was a single car garage and in the 10' or so that was left of the lot there was a sidewalk and a round concrete fish pond. I don't know how deep, but my memory (at 5 or 6 years old was that it was very deep. I think she had fish, assume they were gold fish. I think I was told that the city made her fill it in eventually as it was a drowning hazard. I remember she had white cala lilies down the side of the garage next to the pond and fruit trees in the back yard.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

July 10, 2011
11:55 AM

Post #8684182

mstella, Sounds like your Great grandmother had a lovely yard.
Carolyn, Most of the fish are just cheap feeder goldfish that have grown over the years to pretty good size. Yes, the birds do love the birdbath. We get a lot of action here and the feeders are close by.
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 10, 2011
12:28 PM

Post #8684227

Carolyn, do you have goldfish and koi, or just koi?
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

July 10, 2011
12:33 PM

Post #8684239

MS

I have just koi. We used to have both, but the goldfish breed far too much for DH and I to stay on top of them.

Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 10, 2011
12:34 PM

Post #8684242

Okay. I was just wondering after svkoi said that you couldn't keep them in the same pond.
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

July 10, 2011
12:36 PM

Post #8684245

Why is that? I have had both together.
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 10, 2011
1:40 PM

Post #8684392

Well, R said that the goldfish had diseases that could kill koi. made it sound like it was a given. Then J, her husband, sent a note and said that while that was true, it was very rare. then went on to discuss how the koi could damage themselves on the rocks, etc. Suggested triple anti-biotic fishfood. Was just curious if anyone else mixed up the critters.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

July 10, 2011
1:42 PM

Post #8684395

I've always had both in my pond mixed together. It's never been an issue.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

July 10, 2011
6:23 PM

Post #8684810

We used to, but the constant breeding of the goldfish was the reason the goldfish had to go. We did have some very beautiful goldfish and they had grown quite large.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 15, 2011
6:49 PM

Post #8810276

From the very beginning have had koi and goldfish together. They get along fine so far and its been almost 2 years . Florida fish must be more social. LOL
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

September 16, 2011
7:35 AM

Post #8810819

Mine are quite happy together. After four years, we have had only one baby survive and he/she is about 3" long now. First spotted her this spring. Assume she is from last year's batch. And definitely a goldfish. Mostly those cannibalistic fish eat them all. I see them all crowded around this one area where the babies seem to hide.

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 16, 2011
12:05 PM

Post #8811112

I can't tell you how much I have enjoyed this thread with all the beautiful ponds and those cute frogs...

I hope to have a place next year that will be ours and where I can try my hand at a pond, so if you don't mind, I would love to hang around and enjoying your pictures and learn about ponds.

Jan
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

September 16, 2011
4:21 PM

Post #8811428

Oh Jan. Please do hang around. We are a merry and friendly bunch and the more the merrier. A little irreverant at times, silly at others, but always ready to welcome a fellow gardener, ponder, or just someone new to the mix.

Mary
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

September 16, 2011
5:15 PM

Post #8811511

Mary is right Jan... please stay. We have a lot of fun.
DavEdsel
Amherst, NY
(Zone 6a)

September 16, 2011
5:33 PM

Post #8811526

I agree, this is a great thread.

How I wish there was a hardy blue water lily. Maybe someday someone will develop one.
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

September 16, 2011
6:08 PM

Post #8811568

I agree DavEdsel. I would love a blue one. I tried one this year. It had a lovely flower on it when I got it but when it went into the pond it barely survived the summer, much less winter and it was supposed to be hardy -- maybe in California. :(
ApopkaJohn
Apopka, FL
(Zone 10a)

September 17, 2011
10:03 AM

Post #8812235

Dear Holly, the picture of your bird bath with the green-slime-algae growing on the concrete looks like a good idea. It seems to compliment the natural surroundings. That's a maintenance-free filter? And I bet it supplies alot of oxygen to the water.

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dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

September 17, 2011
10:16 AM

Post #8812243

Very late chiming in on this, but Txdoodlebug, if you're in the market for more water plants, I have bought from Texas Waterlilies and been very pleased. Think of the shorter shipping distance your plants would have to suffer. I wonder if they have survived the terrible drought ok.

I got my dwarf water lily 'Dauben' from them as well as lotus 'Baby Doll' and this year a new slightly larger water lily 'Yellow Thamannoon' that has been really lovely. It's a bit too big for my little 4ft. by 12ft. pond, but I inhibited its growth a bit by keeping it in a small-ish pot.

If I had a pond up north, I think I'd want blue water lilies, too. I'd buy the tropical blue of choice, lift the pot, keep them in a cold but not freezing basement or garage over the winter, then put them out again in spring? You'd just have to make sure they didn't dry out. My tropicals have all survived two extremely cold winters. I know the pond water got down into the 40's despite my best efforts at adding sun-warmed water to keep the temp up.

Here's 'Yellow Thamannoon'

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dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

September 17, 2011
10:23 AM

Post #8812247

This is 'Dauben' which is truly a perfect sized water lily for a little pond. The leaves get about 7in. long. It's also tolerant of some shade, as my pond only gets a couple of hours of direct sun per day, but 'Dauben' blooms constantly from about March to December.

Flowers are almost white, but the blue color suffuses in until on the last day of bloom it is quite blue. Nice fragrance, too.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

September 18, 2011
4:19 AM

Post #8813049

I don't bother cleaning it off very often. Once in a while I will hose it off when I what it to look nicer for company but mostly I just let it grow. That water feature doesn't have much in the way of a filter. We took a plastic milk crate and tied barley straw mats to the sides and set it over the pump. The idea was that the pump would pull the water thru the barley straw mat. Here is one of my tropical WL

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meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 19, 2011
8:46 AM

Post #8814787

thanks for the warm welcome, good to see Elaine here, she has a wonderful pond.

Jan
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 24, 2011
6:06 PM

Post #8822591

Hi All,
It has taken us a weeks work to get to this point. I'm so tickeled. Husb. rigged up a little boom on my Kubota today to set the 5 pieces of concrete in place that form the fountain. I painted it with leftover pool paint which is all I got advice on that would not flake when submerged. If it flakes off I was told the fish would eat it and get ulcers so couldn't use latex. The flowers and birds on the top piece are latex as pool paint doesn't come in varied colors. Hope it holds up but if not we will have to take it out of pond. There is a little stream running to another pond but thats not in the pic. Will try to share what we have done so far. Husb put water flow controls on all the water lines. Hopefully it will work if not he will make it work I'm sure.
Bonnie

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BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 24, 2011
6:08 PM

Post #8822592

Second pic

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BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 24, 2011
6:09 PM

Post #8822594

Last one

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

September 25, 2011
6:31 AM

Post #8823120

Wow! I can't wait to see it! :)

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 25, 2011
11:36 AM

Post #8823397

that is a beautiful pond. Had you thought of putting it up on a pestal so it wasn't in the water???

me also can't wait for the finished photos (see I'm saying photoS, as in many pics). LOL

Jan
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 25, 2011
5:34 PM

Post #8823796

Jan,
It is on a pedestal that puts the large basin up out of the water. We are hoping water will flow gently out over basin and into pond.
I have a few fish to seperate and Mary is contributing some also which is wonderful.
Jan you get up here and see it in operation at the RU. Hopefully it will be running long before then Lord willing.
I've never seen my husb. so interested and he has been working on it every day. He is a perfectionist and that takes time.
We have to haul hay tomorrow and maybe Tuesday but then will get back at it. I'll have to plant a bunch of plants around
both ponds and little stream but that will come in time. He keeps telling me Rome wasn't built in a day and I tell him thats cause I wasn't heading up the job. I learned a long time ago its better to pick up the shovel and use it than nag. Gets projects going.
Take care and look forward to seeing you all soon.

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 27, 2011
6:36 AM

Post #8826363

well had a message typed out and hit the home button instead of the send... oh well...

Just saying how much I liked your thinking "I learned a long time ago its better to pick up the shovel and use it than nag." So true... makes life nicer for sure..

Jan
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 28, 2011
5:51 PM

Post #8828469

Yipee Yipee
Filled up pond last night and turned it on this morning. Everything appears to be working. Washed more little rocks this morning and added them to smaller pond. Can't wait to get fish in there. This time I bought a bottle of the good bacteria to help it get it off to a good start. Looks bare without plants in the water but that will come in time. Got little walkway to build in the morning.

Jan,
I sharpen my shovel on my husb. grinding wheel and that sure helps. Have 4 different kinds of shovels and ea. has its own job.
See you soon.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

September 29, 2011
5:14 AM

Post #8828873

Bonnie...I can bring some little koi over. Do you want them before your roundup so they have time to acclimate?
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

September 29, 2011
6:05 AM

Post #8828927

Can I request that pictures of your round up be posted? They should be fun.. I want to see all the fishies as well!

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 29, 2011
12:15 PM

Post #8829385

Carolyn22

You should be a snow bird and head on down to the round up...LOL

Jan
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

September 29, 2011
4:39 PM

Post #8829713

Jan

I would love to... I liked Southern Florida in July - I can just imagine! :-)

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

September 29, 2011
4:51 PM

Post #8829734

We're forecast to have a shocking weather change this weekend, our first cold front of fall. Daytime it will be 85 instead of 90, nights will cool down maybe even below 70!

It's a tough life down here . . .
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

September 29, 2011
7:39 PM

Post #8829957

I'm ready! Time to get out the Bratwurst! :)
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

September 30, 2011
6:26 AM

Post #8830268

It was 42F here this morning and no frost! Yeah! a heat wave. LOL.

Mary

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 30, 2011
8:01 AM

Post #8830366

I'm loving this upcoming weather change as we pick up SIL on Monday for a week visit with us,so going out during the day will be much easier on her and DH.

By all means get on down here...

Jan
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 2, 2011
5:23 AM

Post #8832483

Mary,
Would love to have koi anytime but we are experiencing leaks with new ponds. Charlie thinks its in the little stream fold overs of liner. He has already torn apart all liner around skimmer and reworked it and today we are going to reglue steam bed. I'll let you know as soon as we get it solved.

Carolyn you can rely on pics of roundup and fishies. BTW would love to have you come down.

It feels great to me today. I'm plowing up garden then tilling and then I can put the vegies in. Broccoli does great and I love it. I eat it raw or cooked, stalks make into slaw, leaves we cook like collard greens. Great winter vegie.

Got to get to work!
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 2, 2011
7:09 AM

Post #8832598

Bonnie - I'd love to... How far are you all from Orlando? I have family in DeLand.

MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

October 2, 2011
5:17 PM

Post #8833315

DeLand is 45minutes to an hour from Clermont...not far at all!
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 2, 2011
5:39 PM

Post #8833362

Definitely driveable...:-)
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 2, 2011
6:34 PM

Post #8833411

Carolyn,
Between Mary and I we will convince you to come down. The weather now is REALLY beautiful. If you get tired you can stay at my house night of roundup than go to Deland in the morning if you'd like. Or come the day before whatever works for you.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

October 8, 2011
5:15 AM

Post #8840505

Bonnie, Your new pond looks great. Can't wait to see it filled and running.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 8, 2011
1:05 PM

Post #8840926

Holly,
Me too. Hopefully our next planned attempt will cure leak in stream. When successful I will post a pic.

Bonnie

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

October 8, 2011
5:58 PM

Post #8841233

Yup, my sympathies Bonnie. Leaks are the bane of pond gardeners. Mine (which has run perfectly for 4 years) is now losing about 2in. per day. I'm leaving town next week, and need to get it under control before I go 'cause DH won't remember to keep adding treated water. Pump will run dry, and the fish will die before I get back . . . plus it's supposed to pour with rain the next few days. Ah, the circle of life.

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

October 8, 2011
6:01 PM

Post #8841239

dyzzypyxxy, how much a day do you lose to plain old evaporation? I take it you can't add water from your tap?
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

October 8, 2011
6:12 PM

Post #8841249

Leaks drive us ALL crazy! They're so very frustrating... I have a leak in my smallest pond, but it will be replaced as a part of my larger newer pond, so at this point I don't worry too much about it. It always drops 6 inches immediately, and then stops. You'd think that as quickly as it drops, I'd be able to see a hole, but nope...nada...

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

October 8, 2011
7:46 PM

Post #8841377

Mary, normally in the summer if there's no rain I'll add 75 gallons of water once a week or so. I have a good deal of the water surface covered with water lilies, so not a whole lot of evaporation. But right now, I'm adding water every day unless it rains. So there's definitely a slow leak somewhere.

No, I've almost never put untreated tap water into the pond. I have a rain barrel that I fill with tap water, and let it warm up and 'off gas' before I add it. Also treat it with 'Stress Coat' to remove the chlorine and chloramines, and the stuff also is supposed to condition the fishes' skins. This little pond is only about 750 gallons, so a relatively small amount of water, and I didn't ever want to disrupt the nice balance in there by altering the chemical situation.

I don't even use my untreated well water for the pond, as it's pH is way too high, and it has a high sulphur content, too. It's great for irrigation, though.

MerryMary, have you looked carefully at exactly the level where the water stops dropping? That's undoubtedly where the leak is!
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 9, 2011
6:17 AM

Post #8841747

Glad I'm not alone with the leak situation. If it were in the ponds we could patch it easily. I now have everything on the market for patching or attaching EPDM liner. Husb. feels its the stream bed so he has taken all EPDM liner material out and made a culvert of sorts using a 9" PVC pipe. Can't really describe it but I will take pics before I glue small rock to it on outside to disguise it. He sure has done a lot of work on it so I really hope it works. Has it glued tog. with PVC cement, also 2 hose clamps, also steel plate around center join. Plans to put seam tape around ouside for liner also hose clamp it in place. If that leaks he'll give up. He sawed the length of pipe in half but left complete round sections on each end. Had to join sections hence the reinforcement in center. When rain stops here we'll get it put in and pray.
Have a good week all.
Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

October 9, 2011
5:59 PM

Post #8842546

Well Bonnie, it will be interesting to see what you find, because our next pond will have a small water fall with a stream through a planted bio pond, feeding into the big pond. I'm hoping to not(?) have any leaks along the stream bed, so will carefully listen to what you have to say.
Dyzzy...I've scratched my fingernail all along the edge where the waterline drops to, to try and find a hole...but never have been able to find anything. The good news is, that that small pond will be eliminated, and absorbed into the new pond space. :)
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 9, 2011
6:20 PM

Post #8842578

MM,
Yours should be problem free IF you pull liner right up to falls roll it around a board and screw liner to it. Then shove the board under lip of falls and screw board to under side of lip. Our waterfall is 36" wide (first pond we built) back leaked at first and then a man at Aquatic Eco Systems in Apopka suggested that to us and it has never leaked since. My husb. has had lots of patience with my pond adventures believe me. He never gives up and always gets problems fixed. Having to cut the liner on each end where it comes out of one pond and goes into another is what caused our problems. There is so much folded liner it wouldn't seal up tight. I'm sure we will cure it one way or the other. Neither of us give up easily.
Bonnie
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 12, 2011
6:57 PM

Post #8846906

MM,
Water is running thru the culvert. It looks hideous so I will try to disguise it with plants and rocks. My husb. knew how I felt just by the look on my face. If it hasn't leaked down by morning I'll add the salt and bacteria and proceed with landscaping around the whole thing. When finished I hope it looks more natural.
Mary, you won't have the problem cause yours can be continuous stream right from your waterfall on down.
Got to hit the sack cause daylight comes early and I'm out with the first lite.

Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

October 12, 2011
7:33 PM

Post #8846948

Oh Bonnie...it sounds like the 2 of you have had quite a time working out the kinks! I certainly hope this final step IS the final step? Get a good night's sleep...I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you!
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 13, 2011
2:45 AM

Post #8847099

Thanks Mary,
Encouragement means a lot especially from a fellow ponder.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 13, 2011
4:44 AM

Post #8847132

Bonnie

let us know.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 14, 2011
2:40 PM

Post #8849008

Hi All,
So far NO leaks are evident. I've started my disguising with 3 large clumps of asiatic jasmine which goes over whole pipe with one planted on each side. Pipe section that goes into small pond sticks out too far into pond so no place to put plant sooooo today I bought 2 lengths of that edging that looks ilke fence posts cut in half and is on bendable rubber backing. I'll just drape it over pipe, see how it looks and if its good will glue it in place. My youngest son came up with that idea and some others. I'll try anything once.
My favorite nursery had a sale today on dwarf tibochina so got 30 to go along back side of pool.
If anyone coming to RU wants them just let me know and I'll go back and pick more up. $1.50 ea. and there about 18" tall now and will grow to 4 feet.
Have a good weekend all.
Bonnie
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 15, 2011
8:01 AM

Post #8849737

Bonnie

do you have photos of the area you want to disguise? Perhaps we could help with some ideas as well..
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 15, 2011
5:10 PM

Post #8850248

Carolyn,
I've been working on our place for almost 2 months getting ready for the RU Oct. 22 and frankly I'm about whipped. Dug up huge piece of jasmine today and covered exposed end but don't really think it will root I couldn't put a lot of soil there. After RU I'll send you some pics as I appreciate suggestions. Got several more things I have to do so I'm going to just wait. Have to re-cement boulders on edges to make them stable etc. etc. Nobody liked the wood post edging stuff so I didn't use it.
Planted 30 tibochina across back of my pool this morning. More mulch to spread. Haul tables home to use for RU.
Thanks much for offering to h elp. Wish you were closer.

Bonnie
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 15, 2011
5:33 PM

Post #8850281

Bonnie

I wish I was closer too... we would have fun!
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 17, 2011
4:00 AM

Post #8852072

Carolyn,
I'd teach you how to run a tractor. While I was at work yesterday husb. found 7 bulls holes, filled them with dirt, moved manure away from where folks will drive in and put dirt there so today he's ready to mow pasture for parking. Got a grassy area closer to house I'm going to use for handicap parking. Got 1 gal from my church thats on a walker from knee replacement surgery
and she will get a kick out of that. If someone comes in a wheelchair we can use that area also.
I want everyone to be comfortable and feel at home..
Today after it warms up I'll transfer some fish to new ponds. I have water shoes so I just get into pond with them. Smaller ones are harder to dip up than big ones but I'll get them.
Getting near daylight so better get busy. Bonnie
ApopkaJohn
Apopka, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 24, 2011
5:47 PM

Post #8862208

Bonnie hosted a round-up Saturday, so we got to see her new pond project.
Good idea to put the pools in the shade so they won't cook in the Florida sunshine.


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ApopkaJohn
Apopka, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 24, 2011
5:50 PM

Post #8862215

Bonnie's upper pool has a bird bath. The edges are surrounded by pine bark mulch and stepping stones.

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ApopkaJohn
Apopka, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 24, 2011
5:52 PM

Post #8862220

The bubbling brook trickles into the Koi pond.

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ApopkaJohn
Apopka, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 24, 2011
5:59 PM

Post #8862223

Bonnie made a little dock you can stand-on while you talk-to the fish.
The table and chairs are inviting you to come sit a while in the shade.

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

October 24, 2011
6:01 PM

Post #8862227

what a wonderful set up. You did a fabulous job.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

October 24, 2011
7:08 PM

Post #8862322

Bonnie...Thanks so much for the pre-round-up tangerines! I can't get enough of them, tangerine season makes me deliriously happy! I took a handful in my suitcase to the meeting in Baltimore... The chilly folk LOVED the Florida offering! I hope all little fishies are alive and kicking!
A-John...thanks for posting the pics...I was so sad I couldn't be in town the weekend of the round-up...Bonnie is quite a host, who makes you feel MORE than welcome!
:)
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 25, 2011
1:30 AM

Post #8862561

AJohn - Great pictures. I can almost hear the waterfalls...

MM - looks like they had a good time. It was too bad you could not be there... Wish I could have been there.


HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

October 25, 2011
3:23 AM

Post #8862598

Oh that all looks so nice.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 25, 2011
8:04 AM

Post #8862968

Reading John's descriptions makes me realize the back breaking work was all worth it. Truly blessed to have such a tranquil place. Thanks John

Bonnie
TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

October 25, 2011
1:43 PM

Post #8863354

Downsizing the pond by 1/2 and making a water garden out of the other half. Cut the fish by almost half and am adding another filter beside the one I have. Want to make the water clear after three years of failure.

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

October 25, 2011
1:49 PM

Post #8863363

Holy cow. How big was it to begin with. It looks like it should have been gorgeous.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 25, 2011
3:08 PM

Post #8863453

TA

How big were your pumps and uv lights? Did you use any type of enzymes? skippy filters?

How many gallons in the pond?

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

October 25, 2011
3:26 PM

Post #8863489

TARogers, that is quite a project ya got there! It's going to be really beautiful.

Next spring, I'd be glad to send you some of my water iris. They filter the water incredibly well. I've never had a problem keeping my little pond clear as a bell, no matter how careless I get about cleaning the filter. Cannas are another great filter plant.

Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

October 25, 2011
3:32 PM

Post #8863497

You mean like Black Gamecock, Louisianna Iris? I have never gotten them to grow in my pond. Are they in baskets?

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

October 25, 2011
4:36 PM

Post #8863555

I do have pots of Black Gamecock iris, but I don't grow them in the pond. They bloom better on the margins, not in the water.

The ones in the water are the yellow-flowered Iris Pseudacorus which are larger, and tend to get a bit out of hand in my little pond, but would be dandy for TA's big one.

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TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

October 25, 2011
5:12 PM

Post #8863603

The pond was 5000 gal. Had 24 Koi in it. 4500 gal hr pumpl and Savio F200 filter. The other F200 came in today.
Have a 12 X 15 foot area that I will cover over with the liner to a depth of 1 foot. Connected to the pond over the center wall. Thought of filling it with rocks, plants and gravel so the fish can go up into it. Anyone seen something like that. Alge was not my biggest problem it was just dirty and filters would not clean it up. Too many fish too. Have 16 left and am going to cut that to about 8 keepers.

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ApopkaJohn
Apopka, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 25, 2011
5:21 PM

Post #8863619

TA, what you have there is a MOAT for your castle.

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

October 25, 2011
5:24 PM

Post #8863622

My new pond project, to replace my old ponds, will be an 18 x 30 (or so) with a smaller 12 x 7 bog bio pond, with a water fall into the main pond. I'm hoping the plants in the bio pond (all roots and pea gravel, no soil) will clear the water naturally, before it drops into the main pond (which will still have a filter and UV) I'm using canna, water iris, lotus, and purple stemmed taro. The taro grows quite a root system.
Once it gets to the main pond, I wont have much plant life in there...just a few lilies and umbrella palm.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 25, 2011
6:23 PM

Post #8863720

MerryMary

That is essentially what we have. We do have a pump that empties into the bog and then there are 3 other waterfalls. We used water celery, with the fibrous roots, they do catch a lot of crud. Water celery does do the job, but because of how invasive water celery is, I would not use WC again. The bio bog, does do the trick for us. This in conjunction with the uv lights, goes a long way to keeping the water clear...

I would love to see pictures when you are finished.

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dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

October 25, 2011
7:05 PM

Post #8863778

Since we've had this little pond, I've seen lots of other ponds with murky water problems. MerryMary, I think your natural solution is wonderful.

I think the most important factor for clear water is to have enough filter plants to balance with the number of fish in the pond, they feed on the fish waste and keep the water very clean if you have enough. But you might need more plants if you let the ducks hang out in there!

I do think you need to pay attention to other factors such as runoff from the garden and lawn when it rains, as well. Covering some of the water surface with lily pads in summer helps a lot to filter, and prevent algae, too. (algae needs sunlight) Plus it keeps the water cooler, lessens evaporation, and gives the fish a place to hide from marauding birds. What a shame that water lilies are so beautiful as well, huh??

TA, you sure wouldn't have any algae with 24 koi in your pond! If you reduce the population to only 8, you may never have to feed them at all. (that would help with water clarity, too, of course)

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

October 25, 2011
7:47 PM

Post #8863832

Doesn't it strike you that the pump is a little undersized. My pond is only 3000 gallons and we have one pump rated @ 5000gph pumping to the biofalls, a 2500 gph pumping from the 4' depth to the pressure filter. I surely wish I had some way to introduce a bog garden. I am having some rework next summer but it won't increase the size of the pond and I can't give up any of the little I have. My water is clear though tinted a bit with green. Long sunny days, no shade. We have both a 25W UV in the filter and a 55W stand alone. I have water celery also around the edges but it all but dies off each winter. I was amazed that any of it came back. Parrot feather is a nice plant along with the lilies.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 26, 2011
7:35 AM

Post #8864306

I agree with MS. I thought the pump was on the smallish side as well. With fish - especially koi, it is better to go larger than what the pond 'should' have. At a minimum, you want to have the number of gallons turned over in the pond at least 1/2 the number of total gallons in an hours' time. Overkill on the pumps and uv wattage are better.

Additionally, TA - I am assuming the reason you have so many fish is because they do breed. There are ways to take care of that as well. Please remember, koi create a lot of waste and fish waste will also increase ammonia and decrease oxygen levels in the water. Where have your water parameters tested out to recently?

TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

October 26, 2011
9:20 AM

Post #8864421

The pond is now 3,750 gal's. So the 4500 gal per houre pump I have now should work right? Way less fish and big 10 X 20 X 1 Bog Garden should help.
The ducks you see are Decoys. No poop LOL

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meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 29, 2011
5:14 AM

Post #8867748

decoy duck, LOL as I too thought it was real...

Incredible ponds yall.

Jan
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 29, 2011
12:02 PM

Post #8868151

TA - Depends on your head pressure. How far does the water have to travel to get from the pump to the waterfall? This will greatly impact how much water is turned over in an hour.

Typically a pump will give the rating as the maximum gph and this does not include how far the water will have to be pushed. This will affect the output of your pump and diminish the gallons per hour that are ultimately put out. One thing you can do, is to cut the top off a gallon milk jug, but keep the handle on the jug. Clean it out well and have another person with a stop watch and measure the time it takes to fill the gallon container full of water with the stopwatch and then you can multiply how many of these gallons it would take in an hour. This will give you an accurate reading as to how much water is actually turned over in your pond in an hour.



meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 29, 2011
12:36 PM

Post #8868180

Carolyn22

that is a great tip. I'm math and electronically deficient...LOL

Jan
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

October 29, 2011
2:26 PM

Post #8868272

Carolyn, you are SO clever. That is just what my engineer husband did, only used a 3 gallon bucket. I forgot about the head loss.

The pond is frozen so I am going out to tap the ice. I don't think it is so thick as to bother the fish but I have got to get the deicers in. tomorrow we will pull the pressure filter and put the pump in the pond floor to circulate the water at the bottom.

Just came back in. I got one deicer in the skimmer and one on top of the ice in the shallow end. It will melt through in a bit. My baby gold fish is out sort of laying on the bottom, or very slowly swimming around. Not sure why. He made it through last winter, so hope he is okay now.

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

October 29, 2011
2:59 PM

Post #8868298

Thank you, however, I cannot take credit for this idea - this was DH's idea and truthfully, I am not very good in the area of Mathematics. DH is better with math than I am, but my Dad is really better than all of us with math.

BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 31, 2011
4:31 PM

Post #8870978

TA, your arrangement is beautiful and when you are through you can stand back and say I DID THAT and to me that means a lot.


MM,
So far all the fish you brought over and living. I even got to see 4 of the butterfly you added to oldest pond today. They are grreat hiders. The small ones in smallest pond came up to eat yesterday. One of the largest black & orange ones died after his ordeal of jumping out of sick tub I quaranteened it in and landing in small pond where I let him stay. He had started rollilng over onto his side. His ballast was off. Store said to feed him green peas but I couldn't get them into him.
First one lost since I started ponding. Sad. Hope the trend doesn't continue.
BTW water is very green in new ponds--any thoughts for cure. Has bacteria & pondzyme in it. Just dawned on me maybe UV isn't working right. I'll check that in AM.

Have a great week all. Bonnie

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

October 31, 2011
6:21 PM

Post #8871100

sorry to hear of your pond lost, Bonnie.

I can't wait till we find a place that I can start ponding.

Jan
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 1, 2011
5:44 AM

Post #8871567

Jan,
I will be very happy for you when you get your own place. I love my home place.
Thanks to Merry Mary I have many more baby koi fry coming along. When we loose a cow now thats a loss but it has happened. Just part of life.
If you ever get up this way you must stop in. Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

November 1, 2011
5:52 AM

Post #8871577

Definitely check the UV, if you have it on the small ponds, and it's working correctly, the water should be clear within a week. The bulbs only last about a year, even if you still see them glowing.
I'm sorry to hear about your fish baby. Luckily you have others, and I'm bringing you one more *you'll be happy about this one... :)
TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

November 1, 2011
9:12 AM

Post #8871808

Wonderful information and encourgiment on this project. Sorry about the loss of your fish. Got to lthe point today of being able to fill the pond and tgest the water system.

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TARogers5
Kingston, OK
(Zone 7a)

November 1, 2011
9:16 AM

Post #8871813

Back side

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meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 4, 2011
10:12 AM

Post #8876277

What a system you have there TARogers5

Jan
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 4, 2011
4:11 PM

Post #8876741

MM,
Went to Acquatic Eco. this PM and bought a new larger UV clarifier. Hope Charlie will get it in tomorrow. Got lots of dr. apmts. on and off next week. Got to find out whats making my legs go humb and pain so much.
Now you have me excited about a new fish. Please call. If you lost my no. 352-394-4883 or cell 352-223-1611. I know I have to be home Tuesday as sewing mach. repair man is coming and I've got large job on table.
Looking forward to seeing you again and please take more tangerines as nobody here eats them but cows.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to pump out 1/2 of the water and refill with clean?

Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

November 6, 2011
5:24 AM

Post #8878601

Bonnie...No worries, I have family here from Ohio for the weekend, so later this week is better for me too. I'd leave whatever water is in there, there. Start running the new UV, You'll know within a few days if that's the issue, but with the main problem being green water, it should clear it right up. Once the water is clear, you;ll be able to see if there's anything that needs to be taken care of (heavy acorns on the bottom that are decomposing, leaves, sand or mulch from the water fall, etc) At that point you will also know if you need to do a partial water change.
:)
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 6, 2011
2:43 PM

Post #8879191

Hi Marry,
Glad your enjoying family. UV turned on yesterday. Butterfly koi in pond with waterfall finally mingling with bigger ones.
Geez what snobs. Maybe they were afraid they would eat them.
See you later this week.
Bonnie
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 7, 2011
10:23 AM

Post #8880198

Guess what new UV is not working. Ecectrician son brought tools over to check it that his dad doesn't have. Got to return it. Another hour ride to Apopka . Oh well thats life.
Bonnie

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

November 7, 2011
12:08 PM

Post #8880295

Bonnie, did you manage to find any water iris yet? I'm sure they will help the situation.

Also barley straw works very well. I bought a 'barley ball' and after I stir my pond up in the spring, cleaning it and planting stuff, I put it in and within a week, between the barley straw and the irises, the water's clear as a bell again.

Other friends I've talked to have had the same experience. It seems to gather the particles in the water like a magnet.
Elaine
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

November 7, 2011
3:31 PM

Post #8880600

Bonnie

we have had that happen several times with uv light bulbs. Don't qiute understand why, but the vendors have always been very good about taking them back.

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MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

November 7, 2011
6:21 PM

Post #8880808

Oh sheesh Bonnie...sorry to hear that...

After this weekend, I'll have a little bit of open time, so if you need help with your pond, I can buzz over and we can take a look at what's going on. I really think the UV will help immensely. What size bulb are you getting?

MM
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 10, 2011
4:43 AM

Post #8884320

Dyzzy, Haven't had time to look up water iris yet. I used to use barley bales guess I'd better order some more.
Carolyn, This time I mdae them plug it in before we brought it home and new one is working now.
Mary, This one is a 30watt bulb. Also, bought an extra bulb just in case. Son said filaments could break easily in that type of bulb just from rough handling.
Don't have doc. apmt. today so I'm going out and wash all filtration materials on all ponds. BTW Mary all fish you put in first pond with large koi are now very visible and acclimating to their new home. Babies in small pond come up to eat and none are floating bellyup so thats great. Got 8:45 apmt. with local doc tomorrow after that will be home weeding vegie garden out back. Mary tangerines are sweetening up so anytime you can come over we'll pick you some. Just remembered Sat. have to go to Okeechobee to funeral. Call me when you can.
Bonnie
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 14, 2011
9:28 AM

Post #8889793

Good news the 2 newer ponds are clearing up. UV is doing its job. Saw one baby that looked white with big black spots, very pretty. Thanks to Merry Mary I think we have reached our capacity for fish amount. Don't want to overload the ponds.

Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

November 14, 2011
1:05 PM

Post #8890095

Unless, I have just oooone more for you...or 3... ;)
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

November 14, 2011
8:59 PM

Post #8890718

Bonnie -

How many fish? I would love to see pictures...

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

November 15, 2011
4:29 AM

Post #8890928

Beautiful fish Carolyn
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

November 15, 2011
5:36 AM

Post #8890981

Thanks, Holly. I miss them already - they are slowing down as the water is definitely getting colder...

BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 15, 2011
8:09 AM

Post #8891146

Mary,
Mary,
1 more or 3 won't hurt a thing. I'm looking forward to THE surprise.
Carolyn,
In Old pond-3 mature butterfly- 1 oranda-7 or 8 baby butterfly.
New larger pond-4 or 5 goldfish-3 black & orange reg. koi
In new small pond (I call it the nursery) Mary said about 20 and some of them that I could see pretty clear are going to be beauties. I'll have to try and get some pics for you Carolyn. Not the smallest ones cause they dart around like their on speed.
The water temp yesterday was almost 70 so they are still happy to eat. I sit and watch them eat and its very relaxing to me.
Blood tests this AM and MRI this afternoon so for now I'll go out and watch my fish. The weather here is simply beautiful just right. I'm always glad to see the summer heat go.
Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

November 15, 2011
1:24 PM

Post #8891526

Bonnie...Any you don't like can certainly go to your son's pond! ;) I know which one he has his eye on though! Give me a week or so, I have one more upcoming tournament this weekend, and I have to admit, I'm not as young as I used to be.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 15, 2011
5:40 PM

Post #8891901

Hi Mary,
Jeff's not getting the red and white one----it has turned out to be the most social and leads the others around trhe pond.
I've wanted a red and white one for quite a while so its staying. A friend was here looking at them last week and said "my goodness that one already has leadership characteristics". Thought I'd flip. Fish do seem to cause some intersting comments.
I'm going over to Biosphere one day and get plants for all the ponds. They sell pickerel weed which I have a load of in our canal down back but getting them out is another story. Once I got stuck up to my knees in the mud and Charlie had to throw me a rope from his tractor and until I could get my feet out of my boots I could not get out. How our cows walk in and out of the canal I don't understand. Charlie says they know exactly where to step. I sure didn't.
Next two weeks no dr. or medical tests. Woo hoo.
Look forward to seeing you. Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

November 15, 2011
6:19 PM

Post #8891941

If you need water plants, let me know...I have a few different ones I can share... Poor Jeff, I know how he eyeballed the one fish, I'll look for another one ( although I have to admit that I loved watching him harrass you taking it from you)

BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 16, 2011
10:06 AM

Post #8892773

Can always use plants. Some I bought for first pond fish have made look ragged cause they eat them. I'm always leary they will croak but guess they know what is good for them.
Hope to see you next week.
Bonnie
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 17, 2011
6:23 AM

Post #8893955

Tried to take some pics this morning but sun isn't out yet today but here's some.
Bonnie

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BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 17, 2011
6:24 AM

Post #8893956

One more

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BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 17, 2011
6:41 AM

Post #8893974

1 more

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

November 17, 2011
8:37 AM

Post #8894107

Beautiful pictures - beautiful fish... love the fins on these guys.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

November 17, 2011
9:10 AM

Post #8894168

Bonnie...Love them! Keep posting pictures, we love to see them! :)
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

November 22, 2011
7:57 AM

Post #8901356

they are so big with their long graceful fins. Are you still feeding. Thought I saw pellets. But I guess your temp in over 50 even now.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 22, 2011
5:30 PM

Post #8901991

Hi Oberon,
Water tamp was 76 today so they are still eating like pigs. Babies are growing right along. First winter I had them I didn't know they stopped eating but they did so I stopped feeding them. My husb. hates cold weather and he says the fish are
like him they don't like the cold so they quit eating.
When water gets down to 50 they will stop eating. Smart little things. They understand their digestive systems better than I do.
Happy Thanksgiving and stay warm
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

November 22, 2011
6:31 PM

Post #8902028

Happy Thanksgiving to you also.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 30, 2011
4:42 PM

Post #8948271

Hope everyone had a truly blessesd Chrstimas. I'm happy when all my family gets together. Only 1 missing was Cal. son and his fam.
I got a new all white koi for my birthday from youngest son. Unfortunately he forgot to turn his pump back on on his pond overnight and lost his prized red & white one and one other.
MERRY MARY he asked me to call you and see if you had one he could buy. PLEASE let me know. It was his favorite Creamsickle. All his other fish are fine.
IIf you don't have any I am going to give him mine. He loves his fish and tries to take good care of them.
I often forget to put my pump back on after feeding but it has never bothered any fish. Guess its becaause its bigger pond and retains more oxygen.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
Bonnie
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 30, 2011
6:04 PM

Post #8948365

BonnieGardens wrote: Guess its becaause its bigger pond and retains more oxygen.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
Bonnie


Bonnie - yes, a larger pond will retain the oxygen and cooler temps than a smaller pond... I feel badly that your son lost his fish.


Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

December 30, 2011
6:12 PM

Post #8948373

Carolyn, this must be strange to you. One thread is bemoaning 33F water and snow/ice, and Bonnie's son lost fish due to hot weather. Just plain weird.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 30, 2011
6:17 PM

Post #8948377

You both are on such opposite places with opposite weather conditions...

We finally had a hard freeze on the pond last night. Found out the oldest of the deicers died, so had to run out and get another one. We got lucky, it was the last one that Tractor Supply had. By this afternoon, the ice on the pond was just slush. I would be happy if this was the worst we got all winter, but I know that I tend to live in denial when it comes to winter weather.

Mary - I have to tell you, the first part of what you wrote about with the car and the block and heater, reminded me of some of my husband's stories about winter. He grew up in Watertown NY. We commonly refer to it as Siberia, but I think you are living closer to Siberia...
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

December 30, 2011
7:34 PM

Post #8948432

My husband's mother grew up in Binghamton NY. She became a nurse and studied at Bellevue hospital. She didn't mention bad winters so maybe that is more southern than Watertown.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 30, 2011
7:55 PM

Post #8948452

Mary

It is quite a bit south from Watertown. Binghamton NY is about 45 minutes north east of me. They tend to have it a bit cooler than we have it and for some reason, it always seems to be rotten weather when you have to go to the EA Link Airport in Binghamton.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

December 31, 2011
6:04 AM

Post #8948679

Bonnie, I'll certainly take a look and see if I have one that looks like his old one. Can you give me a better description? If I don't have a match, I certainly have plenty of other koi! I need to drop off your blue baby anyway! How big is his pond, so I know what size he can handle?
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 31, 2011
9:19 AM

Post #8948876

Oh how nice! I was just out looking at my pond. It froze over briefly the day before yesterday. We found that one of our deicers was not working. Thankfully, Tractor Supply had one left. The pond is now covered with slush...

I can see my babies sitting at the bottom of the pond. Every once in a while I see movement. Can't wait until I can sit outside with them, although it is warm enough to sit outside...
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 31, 2011
6:12 PM

Post #8949420

Merry Mary,
Check your D-mail please.
Bonnie
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 2, 2012
5:41 PM

Post #8952045

Guess what--tonight we are supposed to go down to 32 degrees and tomorrow nite 28. All my tropical plants are wrapped with landscape blankets. I told all the fish to head for the bottom and stay there until it warmed up. it was so warm today they all ate. i'm mainly concerned about the babies. i sure hope they stay ok.
Bonnie
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

January 2, 2012
5:45 PM

Post #8952052

You must finally be getting the beginning of what started for us in Fairbanks over Christmas, maybe. We have a daytime of 4F, with -5F at night. At least for now.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 2, 2012
5:45 PM

Post #8952054

Bonnie - what are your water temps and how large are your pond? I would think the warmth from the day would keep the water from reaching the freezing point.

We are supposed to go down to the single digits tonight. Not looking forward to tomorrow morning..
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 2, 2012
7:15 PM

Post #8952180

The fish should be ok, don't feed them for the next few days...and don't turn any of the pumps off. The plants are going to suffer. I have way to much to cover and/or bring in. I'll do my best with what I can. Blah... I vote that Florida never drops below 40.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 3, 2012
8:07 PM

Post #8953685

I never turn the pumps off and didn't feed them this morning and won't until temp goes back up. My water thermometer is floating around someplace in the pond but the fish let me know when its too cold to eat.
let's hope for the best for our plants and fish.
Bonnie
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 4, 2012
1:38 AM

Post #8953849

It is 5 degrees here - I did see last night where we are supposed to be back into the 40's by the weekend. It cannot happen soon enough for me. Ugh! It is cold!
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

January 4, 2012
10:36 AM

Post #8954284

Amazing. it is 6.8 here @ 9:30am
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 6, 2012
4:30 AM

Post #8956348

Mary/Bonnie -

How have your ponds fared? I now have ice on my pond, but we are supposed to be 47 degrees here today. Wishing I was home so I could be outside.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 6, 2012
6:35 AM

Post #8956472

Mine did very well. I never turn the pumps or filters off, they run all year. The only thing that suffered was my tropical fish, which when in the edges of the big pond, usually survive, but I currently have them in smaller preformed ponds up on my deck. Even though there are smaller pumps and filters in there, it was just too cold, and most are goners...as well as my tadpoles. The surface of the water lily tubbies froze, so the leaves are gone, but they will resprout as the weather warms, and once they go into the new bigger pond. If I ever get the new bigger pond done, lol !
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

January 6, 2012
7:33 AM

Post #8956549

Oh, new pond pics. Yay!!!
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 6, 2012
5:31 PM

Post #8957356

Ran away for couple of days to my friends ranch. Love to ride over the 900 acres and look for birds, wild turkey and deer.
Immediately checked my fish when I got home today and fed them as water was warm enough.
Merry Mary, please measure along side of your house and if you have 70" I can get my Kubota into your back yard. Would like to see the location first to determine where dirt can be piled thats dug out etc. It's time you got going on your larger pond before hot weather sets in. I'm sure you will need a lot of shoveling but the Kubota can do a lot of initial digging. I'm sure I can borrow a smaller trailor to haul it on as ours is way too big. I told you I would help dig your pond and I will. You just name the time. I marked my ground layout with orange spray paint and that sure helps. Just let me know ahead of time to arrange for trailor.
Bonnie
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 7, 2012
7:54 AM

Post #8957977

Our last pond was dug with friends and their kubota. DH and I had all the fixings for a party- It was a lot of fun and all the work was finished in one day.

Thumbnail by Carolyn22
Click the image for an enlarged view.

BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 8, 2012
6:45 PM

Post #8959881

Hi Oberon & Carolyn,
So far so good. A few plants have curled up brown tipped leaves on the top but closer to bottom look fine. No pruning until March. Learned that the hardway. We usually have freezes in Feb.
Fish are all swimming around happy so I'm happy and thankful. We had a beautiful sunny day today which is good cause I removed all the landscape blankets yesterday but kept them on ground right in front of plants they go to. I'm sure they will have to be covered again before winter is over with. Hope all your fishies are doing OK.
Bonnie
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 22, 2012
7:06 PM

Post #8978297

Temp here today was 79 and fish in all ponds came right up to eat. One black & orange koi in goldfish pond jumped stright up out of water and looked like it was doing a peorett when I walked by the pond. Guess he was doing his happy dance or whatever. Good thing he was in the middle.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 23, 2012
6:33 AM

Post #8978692

Bonnie, that's funny. My fish get excited when I go out to feed them, and last year one of them just flew out over the edge in his moment of leaping madness. He landed on the deck and just looked at me like "well this is awkward"...I just picked him up and put him back in. I envisioned the other koi calling him a knucklehead under water while he swam to the corner to pout.
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

January 23, 2012
10:50 AM

Post #8979111

ROTFL
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 23, 2012
3:13 PM

Post #8979545

Mine always seemed to jump more when we open up the pond after a long winter's nap. Then they tend to settle down...
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 23, 2012
5:53 PM

Post #8979830

Hi All,
Fish that did the leap was dead today. Same pond other one was in that died. That pond is joined to little pond that has babies in it. I examined it thoroughly. No visible signs of any infection, crud or ulcers on skin. Must be someting internal. I am thinking of adding salt to that pond tomorrow. Both fish that died were koi in with goldfish. Never had a problem with that before so not convinced its the goldfish. Both fish were about 10".
Hope this isn't a trend.
Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 23, 2012
6:17 PM

Post #8979855

Hmm...

That's very odd...

No recent yard chemicals (fertilizer, bug spray, etc)?
No overload of acorns, leaf drop, grass clippings, mulch?
No chlorine from a hose?

If none of the above holds true:

Start with salt...salt can't harm anything but a few leaves on some water plants. Watch how much you feed them on days where the water stays cool at night. Their metabolism has changed a bit with the cooler on and off Florida temps. High protein foods should be eliminated until consistently warm (both water and air) If you can't find cheap lower protein food (under 36%) then Cheerios are a clean grain based occasional food. Of course stop feeding them when it's cold. Frozen green peas add a little vitamin C to their immune system, and are a healthy veggie alternative (especially if they have food stuck in their guts from a lowered metabolism that isn't allowing them to digest food properly.

There is a clay powder that can be added to their food pellets, that also helps their digestion and adds missing minerals to their system.

If salt and reinforcing their cold weather diet isn't working...I'd then order some medicated food. Ebay has the best priced antibiotic food. I would do partial water changes, just to make sure the water parameters are balanced. After a week of a salted pond, I'd do a partial water change and add healthy bacteria again.
With no signs of infection (sores, ulcers, fin rot, etc) it's either the water, a gill problem, or parasites. Parasites tend to show up when the water is warmer...gill problems are hard to diagnose without a microscope and gill scraping (and you reported no gasping for air at the surface or hanging out at the water fall ) so I'm going back to water quality or food stuck in the tummy (it builds up gasses in their system)

Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 24, 2012
6:30 AM

Post #8980297

Bonnie

Do you have a kit for checking your water parameters? I know if my ph gets a bit high, my fish will jump. And as Mary stated, salt won't hurt anything other than a few leaves.

BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 24, 2012
8:52 AM

Post #8980482

Food is Tetra Premium diet for Koi and goldfish and all I can see on the bag under analysis is Min. crude protein, min. crude fat, max. crude fiber, max. moisture, min. phosphorus, min. ascorbic acidwhich is vit. C. I scoop out leaves every day but there isn't a lot. None of the first 3 causes you mention Mary. If leaves were the cause I would think the fish in the pond with the waterfall would be effected also. It's the pond with the fountain.
When I went out this morning to check them a baby had evidentally swam up the culvert against the current cause he was in fountain pond. Guess he wanted to join the big boys.
I'm going to put salt in, check parameters and STOP feeding. We shall see what happens.
Thanks for all your help.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 24, 2012
9:22 AM

Post #8980521

No problem at all...and sometimes it's no more than a coincidence that 2 of them died around the same time, and nothing more...

BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 24, 2012
10:14 AM

Post #8980576

Water tests before adding salt: Started at 12:20PM Waited prescribed time between tests.
PH 7.0
amonia .25
nitrite 2.5
phosphate 1.0

What do you think ?
For what I know it sounded pretty good to me.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 24, 2012
10:52 AM

Post #8980633

Bonnie

Ammonia should be 0. I would do a 25% water exchange and test again. Also, if you get the Microbe Lift, that will help put you back to 0 as well.

Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 24, 2012
10:54 AM

Post #8980637

I cannot remember what Nitrites should be, but it will go hand in hand with the ammonia readings. Did you check nitrates as well?
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 24, 2012
11:05 AM

Post #8980650

Bonnie

Nitrites should be 0 as well. I pulled this off the web


Here are some guidelines: Although your pond may not fit exactly within them it is important to note that consistency is equally if not more important than the test results themselves.

pH: Between 7.2 to 8.3 but consistent and not a lot of swing.
Ammonia: "0". Always.
Nitrite: "0". Always.
Nitrate: "0". Almost never is. A trace is fine. More than that do a water change.

mothermole
Deer Park, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 29, 2012
7:35 PM

Post #8987364

So I am watching this thread and wondering how Bonnies fish are doing. I always treat my fish each spring with major chemicals and will hold any back if they don't seem "right" and continue to treat them longer. My first year ponding was a disaster and I never want that to happen again. Mine was a bacterial infection.


Now I never test nothing and hardly do anything EXCEPT the spring cleaning and all fish get treated for "the works". I do weekly/bi weekly water changes of 25%-50% .
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 30, 2012
6:14 AM

Post #8987750

I no longer test my water either. I use the enzyme/bacteria mix after I add water each week to top off the pond (the the Florida heat, we get a lot of evaporation)
If I suspect problems, I use salt...those 2 simple things seem to take away most of the headaches.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 30, 2012
4:38 PM

Post #8988558

I'm happy to report no more dead fish and I guess adding water so often has brought amonia reading down. I did add salt and pondzyme and thats it.
Mothermole--My first year of ponding almost drove me nuts. No sick fish just cruddy brown water and couldn't see the fish. I was close to ripping pond up out of ground. In 6 mos. I pumped it completely out at least 4 times and refilled and it was clear for about 4 days then cruddy again. Then I started putting a foam filter over end of hose as we have iron water and it helped some so I still use it but when I bought a UV clarifier in 4 days clear as a bell. Boy did I do the happy dance. When I built the other 2 ponds first thing I bought was a UV clarifier for them. MerryMary saw them in Oct. and they are still clear. Oh the joys of ponding. Nothing is without its challenges. Now my first pond needs a new bulb in it's UV and when I get to Acquatic Eco Systems in nearby town I'll get a new one.
BTW many people told me to not expect clear water and I told them I'll have it or pond is going. Thank God it worked cause ripping all those rocks out I cemented tog. around it would have been a chore.
Progress report over and hoping for the best.
Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 30, 2012
7:35 PM

Post #8988797

UV filters are the best things a pond owner can have! They also help kill some of the bacterias that cause fish problems. I get my bulbs off ebay, I've found good prices on there. They say that bulbs should be changed 1x year...even if it's still glowing, it's only half power...
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 31, 2012
1:34 AM

Post #8988977

MerryMary wrote:They say that bulbs should be changed 1x year...even if it's still glowing, it's only half power...


This is true - even for those of us that do not have our ponds running year round. The power from the uv bulb is never the same in the second year - we tried carrying the bulbs over another year with the idea that we had only used half the hours of the bulbs. So, we order new bulbs every spring.



Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

January 31, 2012
7:13 AM

Post #8989253

I have teh same 'discussion' with Damien about the bulbs. I have two new bulbs for this year so we will see what the difference is from last year.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

January 31, 2012
7:42 AM

Post #8989296

When you replace your bulbs...hose out the inside sleeve as well. Many times they gunk up with a layer of sludge, so a lot of the water passing through never sees UV light. :)
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 31, 2012
8:16 AM

Post #8989319

Excellent point Mary. I know that DH cleans the sleeves in the uv lights when it is time to shut everything down and bring them in.
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

January 31, 2012
8:17 AM

Post #8989320

How do you clean the inside. Sluice with ammonia?
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 31, 2012
8:19 AM

Post #8989323

DH uses white vinegar to clean the sleeves.

Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

January 31, 2012
8:29 AM

Post #8989335

Thanks. Will give it a try.
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2012
5:21 AM

Post #8995228

I washed out everything including the black plastic housing. Got a little sludge. Am anxious to get new bulb back in.

Bonnie
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

February 5, 2012
5:42 AM

Post #8995249

That can be quite a job. I always feel better after it is finished though, don't you?
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

February 7, 2012
5:22 PM

Post #8998400

Charlie put new bulb into clarifier yesterday so I expect it to be clearer in 3 or 4 days. I like seeing fish clearly cause you can spot skin problems quicker.
I read almost everything on that link you posted as it was very interesting. Was surprised about the sleeping sickness.
I am going to attend the Central Fl. Koi Show in March in Orlando and 1 day is an all day seminar for just $10. so I will certainly attend that. Bound to learn somethng I don't know. Also, going to look for a blue koi. I think they are beautiful.
Mothermole,
Sure hope you can do someting for your fish. With them being under ice thats a problem.

Bonnie
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

February 7, 2012
6:52 PM

Post #8998478

Bonnie, remember I have the tiny blue butterfly for you...it's only 4-5 inches, but pretty. :) I just need a free day to finally get it to you!
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

February 7, 2012
7:22 PM

Post #8998523

Hi MerryMary,
I'm looking forward to seeing you again. and giving little blue one a home.
You will be amazed at the growth your babies have attained.

Carolyn,
I posted my comments about Mothermole on wrong thread. My old PC is so slow I forget where I was. Hope she sees it here.


Bonnie
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

February 8, 2012
6:00 AM

Post #8998880

Bonnie

I think Linda will see it. I am surprised we haven't heard from her yet...
BonnieGardens
Clermont, FL
(Zone 9a)

February 10, 2012
2:41 PM

Post #9002118

ISN'T IT ABOUT TIME TO START A NEW THREAD. THIS IS GETTING RATHER LENGTHY

I'M NOT SURE HOW SO i'M ASKING FOR A VOLUNTEER.

BONNIE
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

February 10, 2012
3:00 PM

Post #9002139

I can start the new thread, but don't know how to add the link to the bottom of this one :) I'll get the next one started...I was thinking the same thing last week...
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

February 10, 2012
4:24 PM

Post #9002242

ditto on all counts
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

February 10, 2012
6:04 PM

Post #9002312

MM

if you want to start the new thread, I can add the link if you want.

MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

February 11, 2012
6:17 AM

Post #9002607

Well, even though the pic is sideways, I started the new thread! See you all there!
MM :)
BeaHive
Dallas, OR
(Zone 8a)

February 11, 2012
8:59 AM

Post #9002835

Here is the link to the new thread
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1242080/

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