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seaver
Vernon Hills, IL

August 1, 2009
4:05 PM

Post #6893859

We have a lake near us in Vernon Hills IL. Northern IL. There are very few of these birds that seem to travel alone and stay near the middle of the lake where my camera cannot get a good shot of them. They are all black (even a black bill) and have a large wingspan when they fly. They land and take off from the water. They also dive underwater from the surface and swim for 20-60 feet before emerging somewhere else. I've looked under the dabbling and diving duck families and cannot seem to find out what this is. Sorry about the blurry pic! I could swear this duck is even blurry if I were to ever see it up close! :)

ps: I realize this may be the worst picture ever to possibly id the bird.

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DonnaB
Vancleave, MS
(Zone 8b)

August 1, 2009
5:13 PM

Post #6894157

probably a American Coot

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

August 1, 2009
8:42 PM

Post #6894737

American Coot has a white bill

Maybe a cormorant . . . though they have orange-based bills

What sort of size / shape was it?

Resin
claypa
West Pottsgrove, PA
(Zone 6b)

August 1, 2009
9:09 PM

Post #6894818

It sounds like a Loon
seaver
Vernon Hills, IL

August 2, 2009
12:57 AM

Post #6895640

It's body is about the size of a standard mallard duck but it seems to have the wingspan of a goose. It also has a goose-like neck only thinner.

Neck is somewhat like a cormorant... see below.

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seaver
Vernon Hills, IL

August 2, 2009
1:02 AM

Post #6895683

Here's a small collage. I tried to enlarge the images but it is difficult with a 4 megapixel camera.

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threegardeners
North Augusta, ON

August 2, 2009
1:30 AM

Post #6895815

I would say it is a Loon too.
seaver
Vernon Hills, IL

August 2, 2009
1:42 AM

Post #6895870

We thought it could be a loon at first too but we never hear any loon calls. Plus the loons i've looked up are multi-colored. I'm stumped.
DonnaB
Vancleave, MS
(Zone 8b)

August 2, 2009
8:25 AM

Post #6896697

oops miss the black bill part
looking at last pic I say loon too

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

August 2, 2009
9:23 AM

Post #6896725

Definitely a cormorant in the collage pic; in IL by far most likely a Double-crested Cormorant. The neck os too long and thin for a loon, they have very thick necks.

Resin
shebs45
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

August 2, 2009
8:42 PM

Post #6898534

I've seen a double-crested cormorant on a pond in Buffalo Grove , IL, which is not too far from Vernon Hills. My guess would be a cormorant.
plantladylin
South Daytona, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 2, 2009
9:42 PM

Post #6898777

My first thought before even looking at the photo was I wondered if y'all had Cormorant's or Aningha's in your area of the country? http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=images+of+cormorants&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=ZAd2SuGCG5mBtwfNrcyWCQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1

From your collage photo I say definitely Cormorant.

plantladylin
South Daytona, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 2, 2009
9:44 PM

Post #6898792

Scroll down to the bottom of this page: http://www.blog.birdsillinois.com/2006_05_01_archive.html

Double Crested Cormorant in Illinois: http://www.blog.birdsillinois.com/2006_05_01_archive.html
seaver
Vernon Hills, IL

August 2, 2009
10:56 PM

Post #6899085

Thanks everyone!

I think I will go with the cormorant. The only thing that threw me off was that it appears to have a black bill and all the bills i've seen online are yellow and i've never seen them on the shore. But there are only a few I see on the lake so it could just be a local family trait. Also the behavior traits that wikipedia lists for the cormorant match pretty much exactly. I've seen egrets and blue herons in the area so I was trying to find something in their family type but I was way off.

Thanks again!
plantladylin
South Daytona, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 2, 2009
11:03 PM

Post #6899111

We see Cormorants in the waterways here in Florida all the time, diving for fish ... and sometimes see them on pilings or in trees with wings spread, drying out!

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