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Organic Gardening: Starting a new garden in my patio...need help with soil mix.

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timothy2118
San Jose, CA

August 6, 2009
3:49 AM

Post #6912965

Hi,

My name is Timothy, and I'm fairly new to gardening. I'm trying to start my first organic garden, but I'm unsure of what soil mix to use. The space I have for a garden is actually a wooden trough. It goes about 18" deep by 18" wide by 6 feet long or so, then bends into a short L for another 3 feet. Anyway, I dug all the old nasty dirt that had all kinds of nasty stuff in it, and I don't know what mix to fill this with. Lastly, to help with drainage, I plan on putting about 6" of gravel on the bottom before I apply any soil mix, etc.

So "what ratio/mix" of "what items" do I need to start my organic garden? I also plan to feed the garden with compost teas and water, of course, but I can't compost here...no room.

Thanks for helping.

Timothy

tapla

tapla
Bay City, MI
(Zone 6a)

August 6, 2009
12:43 PM

Post #6913657

First, please skip the 'drainage layer'. It doesn't improve drainage - it simply reduces the amount of soil available for root colonization and raises the location of any perched water the soil might hold. You'll find the science of that, and container soils in general, thoroughly explained here: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/719569/

Also, I can recommend soils, but first it's important to know if we're technically dealing with a container or a raised bed. The physics of water movement is different in containers that have a continuous soil bridge between the soil in the container and the native soil. IOW, if your L-shaped container is resting on the ground, the water will behave differently than if it was being used like a traditional container.

Al
timothy2118
San Jose, CA

August 24, 2009
8:18 PM

Post #6983826

Thanks for the advice. I will remove the gravel layer from my containers.
Horseshoe
Efland, NC
(Zone 7a)

August 26, 2009
6:38 PM

Post #6991052

Just curious, Timothy, is your L-shaped container sitting directly on the ground or is it above ground (like a large window box or something).

Shoe
timothy2118
San Jose, CA

August 27, 2009
8:34 PM

Post #6995280

It is above ground. Also, there isn't a bottom, so I guess that makes it a raised bed?
Horseshoe
Efland, NC
(Zone 7a)

August 27, 2009
8:45 PM

Post #6995302

Thanks, Timothy. That is what Al was trying to find out, whether it was a raised bed type container or something isolated from direct contact with the ground. Based on those two situations his advice would be different in each case.

Shoe (who exits stage left so Al can give you the best-in-the-world information!)

tapla

tapla
Bay City, MI
(Zone 6a)

August 28, 2009
12:17 AM

Post #6995909

If your native soil is decent, I would use about 5 parts of that, 2 parts of composted redwood bark, 2 parts of reed/sedge peat or quality compost, and 1 part of Turface or NAPA floor-dry.

It should come out after a year looking something like:

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Horseshoe
Efland, NC
(Zone 7a)

August 28, 2009
12:59 AM

Post #6996038

That's a pretty picture you have there, Al.

Are those bigger tan-looking pieces in it Turface?

NAPA floor dry sounds like some sort of sweeping compound. Am I close?

Thanks! (I'm hoping to put some raised beds together soon and I've really been waiting for your suggestion.)

Shoe

tapla

tapla
Bay City, MI
(Zone 6a)

August 29, 2009
2:10 AM

Post #6999892

The tan material in the pic is Turface. NAPA floor dry is calcined (baked at high temps) diatomaceous earth. It looks and feels a little like perlite, but it has very good internal porosity for very good water retention while still promoting drainage ... and it also has a CEC superior to Turface.

Al
Horseshoe
Efland, NC
(Zone 7a)

August 29, 2009
9:59 PM

Post #7002398

Thanks! Also thanks for the tip on NAPA floor dry. I love your tips and sharing.

Grateful,
Shoe

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