Being new to gardening in general and even newr to Dave's forums I've already asked this question but in the wrong place.I received 2 Mexican Petunias accidently on some Crotons a friend gave me.After reading a bit about them i got them away from the Crotons and into a place I can can keep them contained.I have also since learned they are on a list of invasive plants here in Fla.Here's the catch I really enjoy the plant and have a place in my garden they would be AWESOME but don't want to be part of the invasive plant(or animal)problem here.Can someone clarify this issue for me or suggest an alternative.The area I'd like to use them in is completely surrounded by brick and I would make every effort to keep them in that area only.Any input would be appreciated before moving forward TY:)
ok well its a sticky situation if they are banned it would be better not to grow them, but if you just die over them well contain and dead head so the birds do not eat the seeds and poop them in other places which in turn will do exactly when the state doesnt want which is spread and destroy natural habitat which birds and plant trive in.
I am from new brunswick canada someone decided to grow purple loosestife which is a nice enough plant but also invasive, they did not take proper care of their plants and allowed the plants to seed freely now it has destroyed 10 of thousands of acres of natural habitat choaking out all the natives plants,
now the choices are be a very deligent gardener or get rid of the plant making sure no seeds are left or made
Where did you see that the flowers are sterile? They definitely can spread by seed. If you were looking at named cultivars of Ruellia in Plant Files and saw it listed as "plant does not set seed, flowers are sterile, or plants will not come true from seed", that line means that the plant fits in one of those three categories...and for named cultivars, they generally don't come true from seed so that's why they get listed that way.
I believe i read it here on DG.If Ruellia Tweediana can be spread by seed I simply won't plant it.I'm a noob gardener but an avid fisherman/reef keeper/reptile keeper and invasives are not something I want to help.Thanks for the help:)
TY plantladylin that was the definitive answer i was looking for.And not only is it in every garden store I shop in I've seen it used by the County here in some road plantings recently done?:( I'm now torn on what to do with the few I have growing out front.I started them before i became aware they were an issue.I certainly won't be adding any.
wise man once tolg me the only way to learn anything is to ask so here goes:)The gardening hobby is new to me and the term deadhead could use some explanation.I gather it's cutting a plant but exactly where and when to cut?
Isn't it strange that nurseries sell invasives? makes me sick. Also makes me crazy that most people in the nurseries haven't a clue about invasives (don't even want to hear it) or natives. Leastways, that's been my experience to date. Heck, invasives are passed around DG daily and try to inform some folks and you get jumped...
Just because WE don't SEE seedlings under our noses, doesn't mean they aren't out there somewhere. To think we see everything in our little circle of life activities...it's intentional blindness...
I just moved to FL and that purple petunia is everywhere and since I must have all things purple, I was excited, until I looked it up. I suspect there are many, many alternatives in this climate to having invasives, though more and more plants suggested to me are turning out to be invasive. Sad.
I'm disappointed to learn that many Elephant Ears are also invasive...they are growing wild everywhere. I just bought some from a DG classified - I'll keep a tight eye on them, dig 'em when I leave, and put some notice about getting rid of them if I die suddenly, or maybe, now that I know, I will write it off as "tuition" as I should have researched before I purchased.
Johnniefish, you are relatively close to me here in FL. I love to trade and share gardening stuff!
that is why I dead head all plants even the ones that are not invasive since I do not want the seeds that the birds can eat to be pooped out all over the place and then they spread and cause major problems like purple loose striff on the east coast of canada it has destroyed nesting for birds has choaked out native plants and is totally out of control and it started as a garden plant gone wild yes its pretty but at what cost to nature now the lupins that use to grow wild are disapearing because of this invasive plant it is taking over swamp land destroying natural habitat for birds, ducks, and small animals since it is destroying their food sources
4Paws...Elephant Ears invasive? Wow, I never knew that since where we live, they freeze if you don't dig up the bulbs. They can't invade here. Don't they send out little runners with babies on the ends - across the top of the ground? You must be a dog or cat lover with your DG name. Mine's after my collie, Han.
Isn't it strange that nurseries sell invasives? But for who and where? Ummmmm nurseries sell PLANTS. Well I have never been to Florida but I sometimes don't understand why people are such on "Invasiveness" I would think that a lot of plants may seem invasive in a zone 9 climate. Where I have heard daffodils don't do well in your climate. Due to not getting enough cold. But here they can be invasive, take over, multiply fast...etc. I am really trying to understand. For instance are you saying that nurseries should sell ONLY plants that wont multiply fast in YOUR zone. Or should they do exactly what they do SELL PLANTS? Then you as the gardener decide if this plant will be good for your gardens. Will it take over due to your limited space...etc etc.
For instance...I recently bought a plant I think is absolutely gorgeous! Saddened by the PF "invasiveness critics" Thinking I had to take it in and wouldn't see it next year. It was labeled as an Annual here in my zone.
I have grown ruellia from seed and it is in no way invasive. And you wont see it growing anywhere around here unless it has been hand propagated.
Yeah, some of the posts seem extreme. I think a nursery SHOULD use their plant knowledge and avoid selling plants that have a known history of running rampant in their local area. Alot of gardners are oblivious to the concept of "invasives". Even though a nursery is a business they should be provide a reputable service.
But I do have a problem with the blanket tag of some plants as "invasive". It really depends on the zone as to whether some plants can become problem children.
I think this forum is good at increasing awareness about the potential for a future problem but stuff needs to be taken with a tad bit of salt.
We need to be good stewards without making it into an obessive/compulsive thing.
actually I did some ready on this plant, and they are not sterile they do produce viable seeds but will grow the original taller plant that produces a smaller blue flower that is very invasive, if the plant is grown using part of the rizone then it will keep its color of the blue, white, pink or purple and the blooms are larger and the plant shorter
the problem comes in that they bloom like crazy producing to many seeds since like all petunias one seed head has about one hundred seeds well when that is multiplied by a few hundred flowers per plant over a growing season that is lots of seeds that birds can consume and poop out where ever they sit and do their business
I live in canada with very cold winter and I would not grow this plant to invasive to control
Without dropping names I've seen theese petunias not only sold but featured at the big box home stores.The fact that I even have a small patch of these was merely coincidence.When I got involved designing and building a garden around my folks house they came piggybacked on some crotons a friend gave me.To be quite honest I've allowed the small area I got them into continue to grow because they are absolutly awesome where I put them.I do understand that it would be better if I pullled them and found a sub and I will at some point.I feee very strongly about not being a contributor to any invasive species problem be it plant,reptile,fish,animal related and as I type this it has become clear to me that I'm being hypocritical and in the morning as much as I like the little patch they will go away.I'm involved in the pet business for a living and I will practice what I preach:)They go in the morning:(
Good for you! I have researched mine and they are not invasive in Missouri, so will watch them closely next year once they root. I have six rescued animals so I believe in walking the talk too, Jonniefish! :^))
Invasive meaning detrimental to the area's native fauna/foliage having nothing to do with humans and messing with their landscape/gardening plans. Not everything is invasive everywhere (duh!) and checking state lists is a pretty easy task... Keeping something under control is not, but for avid, responsible gardeners, worth the effort. I will have some EE here that are on the list, but will be sure to keep them in check (I understand the roots are edible).
Yes, nurseries sell plants. In general, the people I've run into that sell PLANTS are pretty darned ignorant about their origins, particularly those who work in generic big box stores that are geared only toward money making, which means anything that sells, goes. However, it seems to me that those plants listed on states' noxious weed lists should be outlawed in those states. Seems like common sense to me, but then, I don't see a lot of common sense going on, either. That's probably going to be considered an extreme statement.
Hansey, yes, I have lots of paws around here. Thank you for asking. I had been doing rescue in my former home, but have backed off a bit on that now since I live "in town." I'll probably foster for a local shelter that cannot keep kittens/puppies under a certain age until they are old enough to stay at the shelter. Did just take in a bitty little kitten over the weekend, however. Some things don't change...or are even dictated by common sense as I really don't "need" another critter to feed and care for, but...she was needy. Perhaps if her mother's owner was responsible, she'd not be on the planet for rescuing.
totally agree with you, as for the box stores do what I do report them but make sure it is not a hybrid since many growers are now taking plants and hybridazing them so they are no longer invasive and selling them, I have a few plants that are weeds and I love them since with patience and trimming they will bloom all summer but I do make sure to get rid of all the spent flowers so no seeds to spread
what is a weed, well its an unwanted plant or something growing in the wrong place
I had a weed for two years and it bloomed this year the most beautifull blue flowers my sister freaked out saying it will spread everywhere well it hasnt since I have the time to take care of my garden
my dog was a rescue he was dumped off at a pet store that a friend of mine owns it was between xmas and new year he called and said he is small three to four weeks old underfed and nobody here can take him home so sucker me I went a picked up the puppy that turned out to be a pure bread jack russel terrior that came from a puppy mill and had not been around people so he was bitting everyone and I had to work with him for two years so he could become an amazing dog which he is, I adore the little guy and would never give him up, over the years I have adopted 6 different cat of different ages they all past from old age the last one is now seventeen years old and still active which is amazing for his age
Looks like we have quite a few 'rescue moms' on this thread. Yea for us, thanks to each of you for taking in and loving these unwanted animals. My DH and I have two dogs and four rescued cats - they are a blessing to us. Scicciarella and Four Paws are rescuers, yea for them.
we have decided that when my last cat goes to kitty heaven we are adopting another jack to keep buddy company since I feel he will be very lonely when OJ passed and being 17 and frail it wont be long maybe another year
Oh my goodness, Mona, your photo is so cute! Did you say your jack is 17? He can't be - he looks so young! Or is the kitty 17?
We lost our 19 year old kitty, our 17 year old kitty and tried to adopt rescues to replace them. NO. The new cats are "cats" - the reason people don't like cats, ha!
Our collie is almost 6 and our peke is 9. We'll most likely lose the collie first. I really want another to help him as he grows older (and to train to take his place as a therpy dog at the nursing home) but two collies at 100# each makes travel a bit harder.
the cat is 17 and the jack buddy is just turned four it was funny for a while buddy would go after the cat and get a big paw slap in the face that would send him across the floor since he was such a tiny little guy at the time a little over one pound, he soon learned that the cat would not put up with silliness from him so he now has great respect for the cat
I'm sorry. I'm not going to get into an argument or anything with anyone here. However, there's a huge difference between what's aggressive and what's invasive, and what's a weed. To say a daffodil is invasive because the bulbs increased, is not correct. A daffodil won't be spread by seed from your plant into your neighbors gardens or in the cracks of the sidewalks, or even in the gutters.
Garden centers, big box stores, all will sell something that's invasive in the state you live. Why? They can. A long time ago when I was a novice gardener, I wanted the honeysuckle that my grandma had. I didn't know that it was an invasive honeysuckle, banned for sale here in the state of IL. I was able to buy it though. At a local mom and pop nursery. Everybody know Bradford Pear? Invasive here in IL, invasive in a lot of states. It's sold at every single nursery I've been to, except for the native/indigenous nursery I go to.
I don't know, it's not up to me. We all have to decide for ourselves. I want to start it here, in my own backyard. So for me, I won't plant anything that's invasive. I made the choice when we moved into this house to go with all indigenous plants. I have a couple that were given to me by a friend that aren't invasive, but I've never heard of an iris or a mum to be invasive ^_^
at my last home I grew a primrose that I liked very much it never became a problem but started a different color here and it is a major problem and this was the first year so I have decided that in the spring I will move the other perennials in the bed then wipe that primrose right of this earth I pulled and pulled all summer and it didnt make a dent in so when it is starting to grow next spring wipe out should take care of it, it also kept me very busy dead heading since I wanted to make sure it did not seed which would mean the problem would be harder to get rid of
terryr, I've made the same decision, as best I can...not to grow known invasives. I've come to the conclusion in most things, after years of rabble rousing in a different way, to spend more time modeling my beliefs and doing my best in my own back yard. Helps to relieve some of the frustration of the outside world.
Now, I didn't consider that what nurseries are selling could be hybrids that do not invade...have to look at that Mexican Petunia at Lowe's again, cause it sure is gorgeous.
Good for all you good hearted people, rescuers of plants, pets, and our planet.
My eldest love will be 18 years old next month. She is a schnauzer fence jumper cross and she lives on attention, affection, and boundless love. :-)
I did some reasearch and what they sell is actually a hybrid but when it seeds those are the original wild plant which will spread and invade so the only way is to dead head every single flower and to make sure you do not miss any which is a lot of work
It would be tricky to deadhead Mexican petunias. Every evening they drop that day's blooms.
Four years ago we planted MP's. Had I known they were considered invasive, I wouldn't have done that. Now I'm glad I didn't know because, although they've spread, they're growing exactly where I want them to be. I've never found one growing outside the bounds of their "patch." They haven't interfered with the health of the other plants near them, so we've let them grow in peace. When they bloom, it's my pleasure every morning to look down upon them from an upstairs window to see if there are more flowers than the day before.
I believe I will keep mine.
They[the purple] are the only thing blooming now and the butterflys love them.
I have had them 10 years and only found six seedligs from the pink variety
These were found in well watered beds of daylilies.
I'll trade my morning glories,privet,honey suckle,tallow tree,china berry,florida betony,dayflower,mimosa,oaks,chesnuts,chamber pod and nut grass any day for MP.
I too have made the decision not to plant anything on Indiianas do not plant list,had purple loose strife,nomore,had english ivy ,nomore, its sad some are so beautiful ,like the bradford pear, They must be a soft tree also,neibors had their drive lined with them for almost 10yrs, well 5 yrs before they started getting ripped apart from the wind,each yr they would lose 1/2 or awhole tree,they cut the last 1 down 2 weeks ago,she worked at the landscape center that the trees came from,Ill bet she wont plant those again,sad I will miss the beautiful spring show
huggergirl, they aren't so beautiful when you drive in S TN and look up to the mountains in the spring and see all the Bradford Pear trees that escaped cultivation and are taking over the mountainside.
they are also not nice in new brunswick when they destroyed most of the wild orchids
I grew up looking for all the different colored lady slipper orchids and use to find all kinds from early spring to early summer now they are almost never found and in the area where I am from they havent been seen in 10 years because of those purple loose strife
also in some areas no more lupins
OMG, I havent seen or maybe I have just didnt know it,BP taking over areas,the whole invasive thing is just sad ,somethings so beautiful,but soo almost deadly in a way. I planted purple loose strife ,and then read an article ,then I pulled it up and burned it,in the same season,that was 10 yrs ago.What has choked out the lupins ?? I hate to say this but friends of mine had owned a landscape center,It seems to me he had a tendncy to plant alot of certain things,like the BP,and english ivy,that always makes me cringe,and butterfly bush,austrian pines.He was not an educated landscaper,he was an EMT !!!! I do my best not to plant the bad guys ,when Iam in doubt i go to Daves and ask !!!
the lupins are being choaked out by the loose strife and now my sister told me someone planted some type of grass that is taking over the waters edge in some area a dozen feet tall and reseeds so fast that they are burning it three to four times per year and its not making a dent in it and its spreading along rivers and creeks shoaking out the natural ferns and bog flowers it is just awfull
I planted obediant plant one year it was so nice bloomed all summer and I kept up the deadheading and it kept blooming the next year it had spread out from a six inch pot I planted to over three feet across that is always a hint a perennial that spreads that much
so I decided to get rid of it and this was like in may so one year old plant it had rooted 14 inches deep normal but what was not normal was that the whole area was solid root and hard like wood and when I managed to get it all out it left me with a whole the side of the plant like no soil the soil had disappeared can you imagine if this this grew wild it would strip the top soil right out and nothing would grow with it or again even if it was destroyed with no top soil the area would be barren
You know, I really don't know if burning the right thing to do. We burn our native plants so the roots go deeper. I would think that the same thing would happen with the non native? I don't know, I'm guessing. My parents have 16 acres. They have one of the bush honeysuckles (I think it's Tartarian) and multi-flora rose to name a few. They are so thick in there, you can't walk. We cleaned out an area and the next year there were mayapples and 2 different kinds of trillium's..it was so pretty walking thru there. But my dad didn't do what he said he was going to do to yank out the roots, so they all grew back with a vengeance. Sad really. He keeps talking about getting somebody to do a controlled burn, but he doesn't do it.
You asked why your friend with the landscape center planted all the bad things? They're the ones that sell the stuff, so they plant it. They're the ones who are supposed to know, yet a lot of them don't read the information given to them regarding invasives. The saddest to me is the wholesale places that sell to the states where the plants are known invasives! Why do they do that? And if it makes you feel better, I think everybody knows Russian Olives are invasive (check your area), they are here and they are in TN. We were living in TN and we was at a friends house. We were walking around his yard and the smell! Oh my, did it smell good! I asked him what smelled so good and he points to a shrub and tells me "Elaeagnus Angustifolia". I didn't ask for a common name (I was just learning Latin names and I didn't know that one). I told him next time I was at the nursery he worked at, to remind me and get me one. I paid for it and got home and only then did I do my homework. I called the store and boy did he get an earful!!! To this day, I still remind him of that...lol
well I decided to be a good gardener and I went a paid for a book that shows all the wild flowers that should grow in my area, well I found that the last owner must have like them also I allready have a coupld of dozen of them that are growing wild on the property and I plan on getting much more in the spring, the lady across the street from me has a problem at the back of her property and in june she is having it re-graded and she is to old to salvage the plants so she game me cart blanch to take anything I want
she has lady slippers of three different colors and also many kinds of trilliums from small ones to the very large white so I plan on taking every single one I can find so save them since we have the same kind of soil they should do fine
I have decided to look and where ever I see signs for future development I plan on contacting the owners of the property and asking if I can remove native plants so they will not be destroyed with 2.5 acres and some of it is damp and part shade some is full shade dry and one area is shade a more wet also have a huge area that is sunny and used for nothing except growing some flowers wild and weeds maybe that could be used for something better
some people should learn that to have a garden center they should take horticultural courses fist and get certified so they know what they are doing, if something ever was proven and it was sold at a certain garden center they would be sued and ruined it up to us gardeners to report them to the proper authorities when plants are being sold that are on the list and its easy just write down the lating name and check the list and make a phone call or email and it will be checked out
yes,I can report on the the website I use,makes it handy.How lucky for you to have a generous neibor,love those great finds also,lady slippers would love to live here to ,I have woods,water,sun.I got all my info from the Indiana dept.of natural resourses, They also have a list of what to plant with nice color pictures.
You know what I love and have loved for a really long time? I could have no other plant but this and be happy. Eupatorium perfoliatum. I love it. We've been in this house for almost 5 yrs. It loves this soil. It pops up in oddest places...lol...
terryr,what is the slang for Eupatorium perfoliatum ? sorry to say thats all I know ,are the slang or common names.Iam a self taught gardner,or as I say the trial and error method of gardening.Always learning the hard way !!!
You're missing out on a lot of wonderful plants with that thought process. Especially if you like, and you wish to attract any butterflies to your garden. Remember, people are here at DG to learn. They won't, if given the wrong information regarding plants.
You read it was invasive? Really? Oh my gosh!! Where?? Do you have links? Maybe it's another one? This reseeds, but it's not invasive. It's also an indigenous plant, so it's supposed to be here. Unlike something like a Queen Ann's Lace which is from Europe somewhere.
I think you might be mistaken on your belief on Queen Ann's Lace. The European kind is a wild carrot. I have not come across any information that says there are 2 kinds of QAL in North America. Only the European one, Daucus carota, is from Europe. I can none that was here for thousands of years.
Here it is in PlantFiles http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/74985/
From just the bit of searching I just did, I haven't heard of this plant. Rattlesnake master, Eryngium yuccifolium, I've heard of, but Daucus pusillus I haven't.
that looks like what we have here its funny that I also have all kinds of new england asters, growing all over my property
do you realize that people actually by them here and pay a lot of money for them when they already grow wild all over hahahahah I purchased a native ontario flower book and its amazing what people will buy when it already grows wild in the fields
We have several more down here from that Apiaceae carrot family, some native and some from europe. They all have that carroty root, and are edible. Except for the one that is deadly poisonous. So maybe people feel like if they buy something at the nursery they know exactly what it is. (I've gotten where I don't necessarily trust the nursery, or the bird that dribbled seeds all over my beds, either.)
hahhahahaha yes those birds, I have blue jays and cardinals so I give them sunflower seeds to eat and now the seeds are all over one of my flower beds so in the spring I will be moving all the ones that come up since I really dont want them in with my fancy daylilies
are you saying that people just take them without asking, it is so hard to move some of them making sure not to disturb the roots and taking enough of the soil to make sure that the nutrients that are needed for survival are also present when the plant is removed
it is a tricky thing moving some of them I usually bring my book and make sure I do it right to ensure a better success rate of tranplantation
that is why I told my friend that since they are grading and adding soil which will kill everything behind her house that I would come and take all of what I can find before they do the work she did tell me that they will not be able to do till mid june since it will be to wet so that give me time all I need in like two weekends and since we have cleaned out a large section of woods over the last two years and its ready this spring for plants I am hoping that if I move them a few at a time and just plant them right away that most will take
Yes. They don't ask the people (or entity) who own the land if they can remove them. Doesn't necessarily have to be in a forest with all the extra nutrients, it could be a plant they want that they see in a ditch. I'm surprised at your friends place that they're adding soil. Typically they remove so much of it. I'm glad the corporation or whoever owns the land at your friends, will allow you to remove the plants. I live in farm land, so if new housing is going up, it's where the crops used to grow. No chance for any plants that way.
I had permission from the state to remove a few plants in the timber where a friend used to work. I did everything right, but the only thing that comes up year after year is the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum). And then the rabbit eats it down to a nub. sigh
Here in South Georgia, mine have spready ONLY by the root ball. I have had mine for years, I know plenty plenty of people in this area who have had them for years and I have NEVER never seen any volunteers out of place from seed. Not saying that it couldn't happen, just don't think conditions are prime in my location for the process to take place. It is a wonderful plant for me...i love the color,...i love the reliability, i love the greenery it provides. Not sure what kind of threat really is in your area, but here it doesn't seem to be a problem. And...I have many stands of it...stands that I planted myself from division.