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Nevermore44
Hamilton, OH

October 12, 2009
1:34 PM

Post #7160746

Questions...

-I have the below listed plants in the garden this year and have collected the dried heads from all of them.. hoping from some interesting crosses. I am about to go through and pull the viable seed and was wondering...

-What plants will come true from seed?

-And if not, do they just revert back to the standard purpurea (if not crossed with something else)?


-Double Decker (pink poodle)
-White Swan
-Green Envy
-Coconut Lime
-Ruby Giant
-Tikki Torch
-Tomato Soup
-Mac n Cheese
-Harvest Moon
-Sunset
-Raspberry Tart
-Green Jewel
-Pica Bella


starlight1153
Seale, AL
(Zone 8b)

October 17, 2009
12:45 PM

Post #7178819

Nevrmore... Sinc e they hybrids. They may or may not come true. Now you may get some that wil revert and some that wil come true and some that may be a brand new cultivar just dependign on what pollen got crosed with what.

There really no way that you wil be able to tell what you have until you grow them out. Hybridizers plant out hudnreds and hundreds of seeds to find a new cultivar in the mix. It work, btu excitign when you do find somethign that may be a new hybrid that cna be evaluated and grown on out for years to see how it does.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 17, 2009
9:00 PM

Post #7180065

I would think the first two, Double Decker & White Swan, would be the only two that would come true to seed. Those are the only two in your list that are grown from seed.
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

October 17, 2009
10:14 PM

Post #7180274

Whit Swan comes true as long as you don't let the other plants cross with it. The others don't come true.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 17, 2009
10:35 PM

Post #7180328

Doesn't "Double Decker" (but not Pink Poodle) come true to seed? Online retailers sell seed packs of Double Decker.
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

October 18, 2009
12:10 AM

Post #7180630

I've planted Double Decker before and the seeds don't always produce Double Decker plants even with seeds I bought.

I got my best Double Deckers by planting some Pink Poodle Echinaceas. I never got any like that from seeds.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 18, 2009
12:49 AM

Post #7180750

Did you give the "Double Deckers" several years to see if the blooms developed into doubles? I recall reading that they usually take at least two years of blooming before some double decker blooms form.
starlight1153
Seale, AL
(Zone 8b)

October 18, 2009
12:51 AM

Post #7180754

That just what I was goign to type. LOL Also Double decker had another name, but can't think of what it was off hand. It was calle d somethign else before Double decker.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 18, 2009
12:58 AM

Post #7180774

You're exactly right Ella, now that you mention it. I don't recall what the name was either.

Jon
starlight1153
Seale, AL
(Zone 8b)

October 18, 2009
1:10 AM

Post #7180801

Been sittign here thinking and coudl be wrong but think the other name was Doppelganger.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 18, 2009
2:40 AM

Post #7181173

That's it...you're correct. The name of the flower really hasn't been changed. It's just been translated into English and given the name "Double Decker". I would guess this echinacea originated in Holland, because "doppel" translates to double in Dutch. A doppelganger in Dutch or German generally translates to anything that is "double". The word can also be used to describe "your double" in life or someone who is "walking in your footsteps". That sounds pretty creepy!!! LOL Booo
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

October 18, 2009
3:27 AM

Post #7181321

Jon - I had some for several years. They never looked like the pictures. I had one or two that had a few extra little petals in top, but I don't consider them a reliable seed variety like White Swan. That's why I wasn't too upset when 2 out of 3 of my Echinacea "Pink Poodles" looked like a Double Decker should look.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 18, 2009
3:52 AM

Post #7181375

LOL. Yeah, I recall you saying you have some "Double Decker Pink Poodles". I have some Double Decker seeds, but had decided not to plant any of them when I heard it could take several years to get some doubles. I like "White Swan", but like "Primadonna White" even better. I have a couple of each that I grew from seed. My Primadonna White's" have larger blooms and they bloom over a longer period of time. One of the Primadonna White plants has started to bloom again this past week.
Nevermore44
Hamilton, OH

October 19, 2009
7:59 PM

Post #7187119

So when they "don't come true" ... that would mean that they come in as standard purple purpurea?
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

October 19, 2009
8:38 PM

Post #7187279

They can be all over the place. I have some that came out a Salmon color. Here's a picture of one...


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janemarierose
Utica, NY
(Zone 4b)

October 28, 2009
3:19 AM

Post #7215669

How do you cross pollen the flowers? or seeds

blomma

blomma
Casper, WY
(Zone 4a)

November 10, 2009
2:24 AM

Post #7258208

Here is another Echinacea that comes true from seeds. I started E. paradoxa from seeds in 2007 and it bloomed the first time this season. The blooms remain fresh on the plants for quite awhile.

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MiniPonyFarmer
Gilmer, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 22, 2009
8:09 PM

Post #7300345

I planted three echinacea double decker this spring and one has bloomed double already. The other two bloomed, but not double.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

November 22, 2009
8:16 PM

Post #7300361

That's cool. I guess the one "Double Decker" was in a hurry to show off.
MiniPonyFarmer
Gilmer, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 22, 2009
8:19 PM

Post #7300370

Surprised me too because I bought them from KVB wholesale and was skeptical about how well they would do. They were scrawny root divisions, but to my surprise they did okay.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

November 22, 2009
8:22 PM

Post #7300388

That's good to hear. I have a few Echies still putting out a few blooms although most have gone quiet for the next few months. You still getting blooms or are they sleeping now?
MiniPonyFarmer
Gilmer, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 22, 2009
8:28 PM

Post #7300401

I have blooms lingering on Prairie Splendour, Doppledecker, and the orange Big Sky Series (can't remember the name---not crazy about it). I picked up the yellow Big Sky Series (Sunrise?) this fall for 2.98 on the sale rack in a big pot, put it into the ground and its blooming. That's about all I will pay for Big Sky because they are often distorted and mutated.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

November 22, 2009
8:59 PM

Post #7300479

Sunrise sounds correct for the yellow one. The orange one you're referring to is probably "Tiki Torch"

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