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ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)
October 23, 2009
02:07 PM Post #7200769
| We came here from:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/938177/
Kristy, this looks to me like the Katrijin you posted. What do you think?
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 23, 2009
04:52 PM Post #7201211
| Did I post a Katrijin??? I don't remember doing that...lol. But yes you are right, this is Katrijin!! |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 23, 2009
04:59 PM Post #7201227
| Carol, we too have one called Bolero... it also has another name... can't think of it off the top of my head... I should be able to find a pic... nothing like Crinkle Cut though.
Yes there have been a few problems with Miss Andrea... we have just done a test recently that we will be putting out into our magazine about the conditions it prefers... it was very interesting to see,the outcome was not what I expected. The red and bronze one I think you are talking about is Rainbow Red. Same family as Miss Andrea done through tissue culture.
I can't find a Bolero right now but here is Rainbow Red...
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 23, 2009
05:06 PM Post #7201249
| Here is a regular shot of Crinkle Cut... as I said the other one was quite extrordinary. 
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ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)
October 23, 2009
06:00 PM Post #7201380
| Can you share the name of the person on Kauai who is importing Ti's? I tried to order some from Australia a while ago and learned the grower no longer exports plants because the government no longer subsidizes the inspection fees. Perhaps ther are other growers who do export. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 23, 2009
06:15 PM Post #7201436
| Yeah his name is Ollie... you will find him on the ICS Forum. He is paying for all of the costs involved to get them over there. I do believe it is a very costly exercise... he won't have any plants for a while as he hasn't had them that long. The lady who is exporting them for him is about to sell her property where all her parent stock is so he is wanting to organise another shipment before she sells. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 23, 2009
06:20 PM Post #7201453
| I don't think Ollie has a nursery or anything, he is just a very keen collector and hobbyist. Who were you trying to get stuf from ardesia? Was it wood that you were trying to get? Yes the inspection fees are high but he was happy to pay them for the chance to obtain a heap of new ti's. |
pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
October 23, 2009
07:02 PM Post #7201597
| Hi Kristy, How are you? Small world lol. My Rainbow Red looks like my Gold Stripe are they the same? Helen Curran maybe interested as I just sent her two down for The Tropical Plant Society of Sydney's auction. She has started a cord thread on the Aussie forum as well.
Regards, Ann Cains |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 23, 2009
10:26 PM Post #7202364
| Wow...what a cool thing Ollie is doing!!! Tell him to call me!!!
Well, the red and the bronze sports on Miss Andrea are ones I cut off Miss Andreas' trunk!!! So not a Tissue Culture. VERY slow growers, slower than Miss A. I have a lot of success growing her...shade with bright indirect light. Lots of water. Sunday I will take photos. I will be gone tomorrow. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 24, 2009
12:03 AM Post #7202639
| Hi Ann, how are you? I am good. Geez we had such a great time up seeing all you north Queensland members. Again, thank you for having us visit!! Look like we might be doing it again next year now... : ) We came back with so much knowledge, plants and loads of photos... of course. Yes I do believe that particular plant does have a few names as many of the Cordylines do. The name we (the Society) go by is Rainbow Red. So yes that is the same plant.
Oh ok, thanks for letting me know about Helen... she contacted us about getting onto our ICS forum, she wanted to know how to register. We didn't have the registration set up at that time but when I went to email her it bounced back to me for some reason. So if you are speaking with her could you possibly let her know that the registration is now available. I will have to go and check out this thread you're talking about... more the merrier I say!!!
Kristy |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 24, 2009
12:07 AM Post #7202646
| Oh Carol, that sounds really interesting, can't wait to see the pics?
Email me across your phone number and I will pass it onto Ollie. I need to get onto him really soon, so I will wait till I have your number.
Cheers
Kristy |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 24, 2009
12:19 AM Post #7202661
| Hi Ann,
I can't seem to find this thread or forum you said Helen has created... can you give me a heads up? What is the Aussie forum?? Didn' find it...
Cheers
Kristy |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 24, 2009
01:24 AM Post #7202757
| Hold that thought... My red sport looks painted red...pretty unusual...but I am gone tomorrow from early in the morning...have to wait til Sunday... |
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)
October 24, 2009
06:52 AM Post #7202920
| Here's the thread Kristy:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1048175/
FYI, if you look at the top of this page you will see a tab for "Communities". There are hundreds here on DG including international forums which are the top column on the right at present.
Edited to add - after you hit "Communities" you have to hit "Disscussion forums" then the list will come up.
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 25, 2009
05:49 AM Post #7206002
| Thank you, I got it now!!
We have a cordyline meeting today, it was such a good day!! I got a red variegated Petiolaris. I love it, Petiolaris is my favourite of the native cordylines but this one with the red variegations is just mind blowing!! So excited : ) |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 26, 2009
03:30 AM Post #7209062
| Hi Carol,
I'm just checking in to find out about those Miss Andrea sports... can't wait to see them, talk to you soon...
Cheers
Kristy : ) |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 26, 2009
03:53 PM Post #7210824
| Here is a newie from our weekend meeting...
It's called Gold Compacta. It's a mini...
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ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)
October 26, 2009
04:40 PM Post #7210997
| It is a good thing I have a new laptop on order; all these pretty Ti's have me drooling all over this one. :-) |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 26, 2009
06:17 PM Post #7211325
| Lol ardesia... : ) |
extranjera
Mérida
Mexico
(Zone 11)
October 26, 2009
06:33 PM Post #7211381
| Oh, I love the colors on that one. We have a lot of them here but not a lot of variety that I've seen, mostly the reds. How do you keep them from getting leggy? I haven't planted any even though I love some of them because they become so leggy so quickly. Can you chop the head off and the stalk produces another one? Or branches out? |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 26, 2009
06:38 PM Post #7211399
| Here is another reasonably new one, it is called Chocolate Willi's Gold. 
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 26, 2009
06:47 PM Post #7211447
| extranjera, yes just cut the tops of they they will re-shoot. Then the cane you have cut off you can cut them up and pot them up for even more plants to put back in the garden or share with your friends. Make sure you plant them the right wayup!! Cut them back to about a foot from the ground. By cutting them it will encourage them to grow multiple heads which can make a wonderful display. I try to have a few heads on my plants so I can cut one one year and still have something there and then I can cut the next one the following year, that way the one you cut the previous year has already started growing.
I wish I had the problem of mine growing too quickly!! |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 26, 2009
06:48 PM Post #7211450
| also extranjera, check out http://www.cordyline.org for further info... |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 26, 2009
06:53 PM Post #7211472
| This is Son Of... stunning colour!! 
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pogonantha
el arish, FNQ
Australia
October 26, 2009
07:33 PM Post #7211603
| Kristy, Sorry I haven't been around on this thread. We are putting ceilings up and wiring so my house is a tip with all the fuinture in the living room. I will return with photos and comments when we are a little less hectic!!! Ann |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 26, 2009
07:48 PM Post #7211655
| Oh Ann you poor thing, I don't envy you. Take your time, I'll see you soon... |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 26, 2009
09:34 PM Post #7212067
| Is your Chocolate a seedling of WG? |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 26, 2009
10:08 PM Post #7212183
| Yes I do believe so Carol, there is a very complicated story in behind that plant, but from memory... yes. |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 26, 2009
11:17 PM Post #7212392
| OK...finally got the pics and the rain let up enough to take the photos. Yech..it has been wet!!!
So this is the red sport. I love it because it is red/orange/pink ...you can see the pattern of Miss Andrea...the color is TRUE.
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AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 26, 2009
11:18 PM Post #7212398
| and this is the bronze sport...next to a normal Miss Andrea... 
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AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 26, 2009
11:19 PM Post #7212399
| And another favorite of mine, Manui'a' 
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extranjera
Mérida
Mexico
(Zone 11)
October 27, 2009
01:23 AM Post #7212674
| Cordyline, thanks for the link, that's a great site. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
01:55 AM Post #7212710
| thanks extranjera, you're very welcome... I have a lot more I need to add to it too. I have around another 600 photos I need to add, but I just haven't had the time... I need more hours in a day. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
02:06 AM Post #7212721
| Hello Carol,
your Manuia looks different to ours... who told you that was Manuia? As I have seen other Hawaiian Manuias before and theirs was the same as ours... Here is what ours look like. I am starting work with a man over there who is also trying to catologue all the differnt cultivars... so this will help bridge the gap and hopefully the confusion with the right names. I would like to track all the cultivars with all their names from all over the world and I hope for everyone to use the same name. It would be so much easier that way.
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
06:35 AM Post #7212871
| Hi again Carol, I passed your photos around to a few people and everyone agrees that these sports you have been lucky enough to get are the same ones that were produced through tissue culture. It was explained to me that tissue culture is simply damaging the tissue cells to produce something new. That this is what kind of happens with a sport but it has obviosly occured in nature. If it has occured in tissue culture it is every bit possible that it can occure in nature. I have never seen this this occure in with this plant before and to have it happen twice you are extremely lucky... I'd like to rub shoulders with you!! So the bright red one is called Pink Champion, while the bronze coloured one is called Rainbow Red.
Talk to you soon...
Kristy |
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)
October 27, 2009
07:00 AM Post #7212889
| Wouldn't you think different growing conditions would produce slightly different colorations on TI's? It can happen with so many other plants. I know the Ti's I have gotten from Carol are never quite as bright here as they are in her garden. I attribute it to the difference in the soil (no lava here) and the sun exposure. All but the common hot pick ones need a bit of shade in my area.
alice |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
07:47 AM Post #7212951
| Yes you are absolutly right ardesia, there are many factors that contribute to colouration. Soil is a definate one and growing conditions with light and protection is the other big factor. Then you can go into fertilizing, watering, pH levels etc.. the list goes on and on. |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 27, 2009
01:19 PM Post #7213814
| When you name a Cordyline, do you register it somewhere?
Actually, the Miss Andrea sports are not uncommon, and the first one to have them here grower by the name of Troy Shiginaga. Troy brought the Miss Andrea Ti into the islands. Troy has since propagated the sports and they are true to the mother (plant) sport and so he has named them after his two daughters: Princess Leisha and Princess ? (I need to ask him). Since they first sported for him and he has sold them with those names, I feel I will keep his names on mine. Mine were not from himbut from my own stock.
BTW...in that terrible book by Brown identifying Cordylines he mentions Roy Shiginaga and many of the photos were taken in his nursery. Roy remembers the visit: Brown never took notes, took lots of pictures and was not really interested when told the names. Go figger. Roy is Troy's father.
To pin down and homogenize all of the names of Ti is a very ambitious project!!! To me it would be like trying to herd cats. Every uncle and his sister around here have certain Ti and many of them differ just slightly...but slightly enough to make them NOT what their neighbor has. Wild crosses pop up all over the place. I do know that some have as many as 4 names...according to some folks who collect them.
I find that between sun and shade a Ti can vary slightly. Whether fertilized at the roots or with foliar they can differ as to size of leaves and intensity of color. I was told to grow Wili'i's Gold in the shade...but it grows better for me in full sun for part of the day.
Isn't it funny how one plant can be so variable?
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AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 27, 2009
03:22 PM Post #7214158
| Kristy...you are too right. That is NOT manui'a...wrong Ti. I think the one I shot was Kauai Rose or something like that. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
05:53 PM Post #7214631
| Oh you are so right Carol, plants can differ greatly, you will definatly get much beter colour from your Willis Gold if it's getting some sun through the day. When you find out the other name of Troy's daughter, please let me know, I'll keep your photos and lable them as what he named them. I have heard of that name before but I am not sure where... So he obviously has a great interest in Ti's? Could you please pass my email onto him for me, I think it would be great if I could have a chat with him.
The book you are talking about, do you mean Dr Frank Brown? I do know there are a lot of errors in that book and hardly any are named, it is a great shame. Sadly in the earlier days some people were not interested in names and they just wanted all the pretty colours, the names didn't matter to them. This has now caused a very big problem. Although his book has a lots of errors in it, there is still a lot of very good information in it. This is something we (the Society) would like to do in the future... a series of books containing all the right information and continue them as new things come along.
As far as trying to track all the cordylines and their history I know is going to be a massive sized job. We have already started and we'll take baby steps in doing it. The longer it is put off the bigger the job becomes. Obviously there will be cords we will never find the origin of but all we can do is speak with everyone we can and find out as much as we can. We feel it is our duty to do it and most importantly get it right. The last thing we need is another publication with incorrect information. As we are the only organisation worldwide who concerntrates on just cordylines, who better to do it. Obviously not every new seedling needs a name, it has to be different enough from what is already available, more or less it needs to be name worthy. As far as plants go with multiple names, I know...we would like to track them back to their first original name given and keep that as the "common name" used.
As for a register, there currently isn't one, but again something the club has wanted to do for years... I will be setting one up on the web site very soon... obvioulsy this is going to make things a lot easier too and help with plants been given multiple names, it will also assist in keping track of all named varieties. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
07:20 PM Post #7214890
| I have aleady shown you the Rainbow Red, here is a photos of Pink Champion.. this is a very good one... 
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
07:26 PM Post #7214920
| and another... 
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
07:29 PM Post #7214932
| This Pink Champion is everywhere here in Australia, Rainbow Red is very readily available but not as popular as Pink Champion, although Rainbow Red has been around longer than Pink Champion.
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
07:43 PM Post #7214991
| I think this is Kauai Rosebud... 
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AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 27, 2009
07:54 PM Post #7215038
| Yep...that looks like it!!!!
I will pass your info on to Troy. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
08:11 PM Post #7215116
| Thanks Carol, that would be great!! : ) |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
08:33 PM Post #7215188
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ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)
October 27, 2009
08:44 PM Post #7215224
| This is one of Troy's, I got it on eBay a couple of years ago. He called it Keeley's Gold. I think Keeley is his other daughter's name. 
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 27, 2009
09:43 PM Post #7215390
| WOW ardesia, that is a little riper!! Does anyone know how much work Troy has done with Cordylines?
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AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 27, 2009
10:53 PM Post #7215592
| Troy has a good collection! He was out of it for a while, and then saw how popular it was getting, he took it up again. I kept bugging him to do them! He introduced Miss Andrea to Hi. He is not the world's best communicator and can't type so is reluctant to communicate over the computer His wife does all the auctions and computer stuff. He would be flattered, tho'. He probably hasn't all the names listed nor pictures of them...but... There was *is? a fellow who is right lucky with crossing them he has a number of too. I will call him in the morning. We are starting the blooming season now, so I am interested in doing some crosses. Hope I live long enough to see them!!! |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 28, 2009
12:42 AM Post #7215867
| Good on you for bugging him Carol : ) Would his wife be happy in communacting with me then, he sounds like has contributed in the history of cordylines and I would be honored to have the chance to communicate with him in some kind of way. Do you have any pics of his cords at all?? I have just shown that Keeley's Gold to the executive and there is high interest in just that plant!
Who is this other fellow you talk of? Good on you Carol... the more the merrier I always say. : ) Oh and stop talking like that too!!
Have you heard of a fellow by the name of Don Libbey? He has been doing a whole lot of work in Hawaii identifying and documenting all the differnt cultivars... |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 28, 2009
01:27 AM Post #7215924
| Have not heard of him at all. Let me go up and visit Troy...best idea. May not be until Friday afternoon. I can take photos...chum him up... |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 28, 2009
01:42 AM Post #7215941
| Hmmm ok, I can't think of what island he is on off the top of my head. Oh wow, you're a gem Carol... I can't wait now!! I was thinking I might have to resort to snail mail... I can't imagine having to do that but if that is what I need to do I would.
Please do take lots of pics... and chum away!! : )
If you're going to help me out I might have to come up with something nice for you too!! |
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)
October 28, 2009
07:26 AM Post #7216177
| Keeley's Gold has been a very slow grower for me but it has been outdoors, without protection, for quite a few years now and since I am in a marginal zone, that is a great thing. We do not get much in the way of freezes but we do get close a lot and that can really set plants back. This one has not ever los it's leaves.
Thanks Carol my friend, you were the one who first mentioned Troy here on DG years ago adn I jumped right on it. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 28, 2009
07:48 AM Post #7216198
| Any ideas on where it came from? Sport, seedling etc... |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 28, 2009
01:32 PM Post #7217183
| I will find out, Kristi... |
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique
October 29, 2009
11:45 AM Post #7220406
| my, what an interesting thread! i had no idea there were so many different Ti's, i have one Ti, its reddish color, no idea which one though. i got some helpful info here, so thanks!
Isaac |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 30, 2009
02:34 AM Post #7222944
| This is Angela... bred by Tony Lawless. 
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 30, 2009
02:35 AM Post #7222945
| Aurora Australis... lovely big plant! 
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 30, 2009
02:40 AM Post #7222947
| Aussie Flag, this plant has a PBR. bred by Robyn Ganley. 
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 30, 2009
02:44 AM Post #7222950
| This is a really hard one to grow well but the colours are just beautiful, it's called Chocolate & Strawberry. 
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westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique
October 30, 2009
04:13 AM Post #7223000
| they are all beautiful! |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 30, 2009
01:20 PM Post #7223978
| Beautiful, kristy...what is PBR? |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 30, 2009
04:29 PM Post #7224504
| Hmmmm, I don't know what it stands for exactly but it is when the plant is registered and the grower who has bred it is the only one who is allowed to reproduce it and sell it. It costs a heap of money to do. I have just been told that it can also include any sports that come off that plant too. |
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia
October 30, 2009
05:11 PM Post #7224646
| It stands for Plant Breeder's Rights. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 31, 2009
12:37 AM Post #7226164
| Thanks tropicbreeze... that would be it!! : ) |
Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
October 31, 2009
11:56 AM Post #7227215
| Hi,
Just surfing around Dave's and found this interesting thread and some familiar names.
One is Miss Andrea. I planted something labeled Miss Andrea in 2005 and it has done well. Is this the right one?
Hap
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Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
October 31, 2009
11:57 AM Post #7227220
| There is also a Dr. Brown lurking in the area next to Missy. Is it Dr. Brown named after the famous or infamous Dr. Brown? This is a baby pic.
Hap
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Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
October 31, 2009
11:58 AM Post #7227224
| This is Missy yesterday. 
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Dutchlady1
Naples, FL
(Zone 10a)
October 31, 2009
12:17 PM Post #7227277
| I think that Missy needs a trim and I'd love a cutting. Trade you a piece of my 'Bronze Baby'... 
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CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 31, 2009
03:39 PM Post #7227778
| Hi Hap,
Yes that is Miss Andrea you have there. The second one also looks like Dr Brown, the leaves are generally a bit more broarder but that is probbaly due to imaturity and yes it is named after Dr Frank Brown, if that is who you were talking of.
As for Missy, I have never seen or heard of Missy and if you know any info on Missy I would love to know. It looks very close to Miss Andrea... Where did you get it and is there much difference keeping in mind you can get different colouring in different light and positions. I'd love to hear what you think... : )
Kristy |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 31, 2009
03:42 PM Post #7227788
| Also Hap... go and check out http://www.cordyline.org |
Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
October 31, 2009
03:44 PM Post #7227791
| CordylineMad.
I just condensed Miss Andrea to Missy. Same plant. Sorry for the confusion. I will check that link.
Thanks.
Hap |
Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
October 31, 2009
04:01 PM Post #7227843
| Just was on the Cord site. I had no idea what beauty and variety there was. Thank you for this introduction.
Hap |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 31, 2009
04:48 PM Post #7227955
| Oh ok...lol. No probs Hap... You had me thinking or confused...or both. : )
You're welcome, seems many people don't realise, they are truly beautiful plants and the possabilities seem endless. |
Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
October 31, 2009
05:32 PM Post #7228073
| See that the org. is in Aust., Miss Andrea is in pretty much shade and doing OK for my limited standards. But Dr. B. 2' away is not doing that well for he's getting very tall and leggy and does not have the vibrant colors that's on the site. Think that he should move?
Hap |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 31, 2009
08:14 PM Post #7228446
| FEW Ti need shade... I think Dr. B would like the sun... |
Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
October 31, 2009
08:20 PM Post #7228459
| Ah, that's why he looks so bad. Thanks
Nancy |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
October 31, 2009
10:10 PM Post #7228756
| If you are in the right zones definatly place your cordy's in a posotion getting some sunlight, they need sun to show their best colours.
We did a test here is Aust recently with Miss Andrea, and it was the one in the sun with little water that was the greatest looking plant over the plants in shade with lots of water and little water. It was good and strong and far superior to the others. |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 31, 2009
10:27 PM Post #7228789
| Interesting!!! I was just wondering about that as I looked out to fairly deep shade and wondered why Miss A was so pathetic. We have another place with a mess of them in alot of sunlight and that is where I have gotten my two sports!!!
What NPK do you use on your Cordys? Foliarly?
With 160" of rain a year (way over 350cms) growthing them dry would be hard. But under tall narrow palms they get little water and lots of sun. YAY.
They really don't seem to need much soil, either!!! I am jammed a log in a crack in the lava...thrown maybe 3" of dirt on it... that Cordy is there for the duration. Heck...the roots are probably in China!!! Most of mine grow that way and are really happy~!!!
The bed I have trouble with is one where all the surrounding trees have helped themselves of any nutrients and I foliar feed like crazy but they are not buying it!!! they are really unhappy!!!
Carol |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
November 01, 2009
01:38 AM Post #7229220
| Yes to look at Miss Andrea you would think it is a bit delicate, but it just isn't!! She likes the sun!! I use a chicken manure based pellet fertiliser, we do recommend foliar feeding but I must admit I don't do it. Some people do, others don't bother.
As for the rain... RUB IT IN...Lol... we are in a terrible drought here and any drop of rain right now is precious!! Hawaii is the perfect place to grow cordy's... you will never have probs... with that much rain you will have wonderful humidity that they just thrive off. I would be happy to get half of that rainfall every year. Oh I wish... you now have me green with envy!! : )
As for the lava... you are just killing me here... you have it so lucky over there... warm temps, unreal rainfall and wonderful minerals just sitting there in the soil already... does it get much better than that!! Seriously you are in the prime spot that is why your cords are so happy, I would be too if I was in their position in your garden!!
The problem you may find with the ones growing under the trees are that they are probably competing with the trees. No amount of fertiliser is going to help that. Are you able to build up your garden beds in that area, lift everything up and add lots of organic material and they should settle back in, it won't eliminate the problem of the trees competing for the water so you will need to make sure this area is kept moist. Alternativly move them to a better position...
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Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
November 01, 2009
07:25 AM Post #7229446
| With the above message, there is no reason for my Miss Andrea to still be on this earth. She gets a lot of water and is in almost deep shade. Go figure.
Good morning all.
Hap |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 01, 2009
03:03 PM Post #7230601
| Any raised bed near a tree becomes particleboard in a matter of months!!!! |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
November 01, 2009
04:07 PM Post #7230786
| Hey Hap... Miss Andrea will live in those conditions, it will just have less colour and the leaves will be thiner and softer... from what we found the one in full sun has a really thick almost waxy leaf. Really tough, compared to the one in shade. |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
November 01, 2009
04:08 PM Post #7230790
| Particleboard?? |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
November 01, 2009
04:09 PM Post #7230793
| Hey Carol... did you get the chance to see Troy yet? I almost forgot... |
Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
November 01, 2009
04:17 PM Post #7230824
| Miss Andrea's color did not really show in my pic. She really has a lot of pink. Not bad for not knowing anything. hehe
Hap |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 01, 2009
08:07 PM Post #7231599
| CM...Particleboard is like pieces of sawdust that are compressed into boads, and then covered with vinyl for cheap furniture... In our humidity it just crumbles apart...but that is what the ground is like. DH had to cut out some bamboo culms with a chainsaw!!!!!
Troy didn't return my call...will call again on Monday |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
November 02, 2009
07:08 AM Post #7232813
| Wow, so you r ground goes like that because of the rainfall? I wish I had those problems... : )
No worries, I can't wait to hear...
Talk to you soon : ) |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
November 08, 2009
05:52 PM Post #7253940
| Is anyone still around it has gone pretty dead in here... |
Happy_1
Fort Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10b)
November 08, 2009
06:26 PM Post #7254053
| HI!!!
I just sent a stalk of Miss Andrea to Dutch, she should receive it in a couple of days.
Hap |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 08, 2009
09:29 PM Post #7254544
| CM...the ground gets like that because there is almost NO soil and the bamboo roots and tree roots glom onto it.
Yes...haven't been chatty. Getting ready to go to NZ...getting 12 acres and a greenhouse in order is a 24/7 job!! |
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)
November 08, 2009
10:20 PM Post #7254663
| Wish I was close enough to greenhouse sit for you. :-)
Have a safe trip. |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 08, 2009
10:35 PM Post #7254706
| Me too, Alice!!!! ME TOO!!!! |
CordylineMad
Brisbane, QLD
Australia
November 09, 2009
05:50 PM Post #7257147
| Oh wow ok, have a lovely trip Carol. Sounds like you have a lot on your plate right now. I wish I was closer too... : )
Here is a new Cordyline here, Jason's Luck. It is an awesome big kahili. Reminds me of those red and green apple lolly pops I use to see as a kid.
Click the image for an enlarged view.
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AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 09, 2009
07:26 PM Post #7257483
| Really beautiful!!!! |
