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AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 27, 2009
01:34 PM Post #7213873
| THE BOTANY OF DESIRE - GREAT BOOK BY MICHAEL POLLAN
The Botany of Desire
Wednesday, October 28, 2009 05:00:00PM
Station: KQED/Channel 9
Feed Common Name: KQED-HD
Channel Number: 9.1
Can't watch at this time? Check local listings to see when your PBS station airs the next episode of "" in the next two weeks at http://www.pbs.org/whatson/
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westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique
October 28, 2009
02:18 PM Post #7217312
| unfortunately our internet is too slow to watch this, though i would have loved to! i am sure the other members will be watching!
Isaac |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 28, 2009
06:42 PM Post #7218097
| I saw that in the chronicle today as well. from the quick look over, I think I might agree with what he's saying |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 28, 2009
08:43 PM Post #7218531
| Just remember though, his theories would encompass all of it, including the invasive plants that introduced by humans...mmm hmmmm |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 28, 2009
10:00 PM Post #7218784
| No...he just talks about 4 plants and how they represent 4 human desires and how they have impacted the history of the world. Just watch it!!! |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 28, 2009
10:00 PM Post #7218787
| It was very interesting. I was having similar discussion last weekend about how we humans seem to take ourselves out of the equation of nature, and said, our introduction of different plants including "invasive" species is part of nature. Having said that, awareness is as well.
One point I agreed with ultimately, was what one of the Canibas growers said: The plants know when the person who cared for them was gone (even though nothing in the care had changed)
My plants know when I'm gone..! |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 28, 2009
10:02 PM Post #7218792
| I am convinced my hoyas know when I am not there...I come back and they seem to be pouting...lacking lustre. |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 28, 2009
10:02 PM Post #7218793
| I did, and one of the clear points was our being a part of nature, plants evolving from our need/desire/alteration and control. This applies in every facet, not just 4 plants, and not just from the miracle of it being beneficial. |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 28, 2009
10:04 PM Post #7218796
| I think too often we remove ourselves from the fact that we are being manipulated by nature to it's ends. |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 28, 2009
11:04 PM Post #7219040
| ARE there ends? Is there a large plan...or...is everything just evolving along with and without the manipulation of our own surroundings ? Everything working in concert (most of the time..and when it isn't, is it because we are manipulating not for the main/collective good) until it doesn't. Then bad things happen like bank closures and Little Red Fire Ants. OK...back to the drawing board... |
Braveheartsmom
Kihei, HI
(Zone 11)
October 28, 2009
11:42 PM Post #7219170
| Tuning in this evening - thanks for the heads up! |
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)
October 29, 2009
03:05 AM Post #7219523
| I won't get into the philosophy - you all are getting too esoteric for me. LOL
BUT, the photography alone was worth it. Fabulous!
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rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 29, 2009
07:07 AM Post #7219671
| The question is, bad things for whom? Once again it boils down to how we categorize, interpret, manipulate.
What I'm saying is evolving along with and without the manipulation of our own surroundings, and Everything working in concert, is one and the same. When we remove ourselves from the intricate workings of nature, then we put ourselves in God status, and Nature is quick to remind us...nope, we're not even close. |
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique
October 29, 2009
12:01 PM Post #7220466
| things in our planet aren't really evolving, things seem more to be degrading.
Isaac |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 29, 2009
01:19 PM Post #7220697
| Does 'evolve' necessary mean 'for the better' ...or simply 'changing'...? |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 29, 2009
02:10 PM Post #7220839
| that's the ambiguity of it.
isn't changing a type of evolution? good, bad, changing, evolving- we are in it despite how it's perceived.
Definition:
to come forth gradually into being; develop; undergo evolution: example " The whole conversation evolved from Randy playing the Devils Advocate."
Issac, it's easy to say that when we have all this communication to bring us crap from every corner of the earth, but there are equally fascinating things occuring that just don't make good headlines, and therefore we are under exposed to the good side. |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 29, 2009
02:21 PM Post #7220869
| I agree Randy!!!. Too much information too little content!!!
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rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 29, 2009
02:30 PM Post #7220900
| we'll continue this conversation in Kwajalein :) lol |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 29, 2009
02:56 PM Post #7220978
| YAY! |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 29, 2009
03:07 PM Post #7221037
| I'm bidding for vacation now...any periods of time that aren't good for you from Jan - Jun? |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 29, 2009
06:30 PM Post #7221581
| All good... |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 29, 2009
06:47 PM Post #7221633
| ok
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AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
October 29, 2009
10:58 PM Post #7222558
| I wrote that SO quickly Randy...not realizing what we were talking about!!! WOW! Have you talked to Shari about the best time to visit there??? I am at your wishes...it is ALL good/wonderful for me!!!!! YIPPPPPEEEEEE!!!! |
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique
October 30, 2009
04:10 AM Post #7222996
| you guys have a good time, i hope to meet some of you one day...
isaac |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
October 30, 2009
01:37 PM Post #7224040
| LOL, a while back- They are headed mainland side I think sometime early winter/spring..have to re-check the dates.
Then she has to get us special permission to even stay there as it is military..so much to work out still.
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Islandshari
Kwajalein
Marshall Islands
(Zone 11)
November 15, 2009
11:14 PM Post #7278091
| Ohhhhh!!!! I am SO looking forward to this conversation while watching a moonrise over the ocean with a tall drink in hand, and you two by my side!!!!
What may seem degradation to some, could be perceived by others as progress. What seems like "our" manipulation of the environment, may actually be Gaia having us do so...tiz a puzzlement that promises hours of contemplative mental research...
SHOULD BE FUN!!!!
Yokwe,
Shari |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 16, 2009
01:11 AM Post #7278380
| I am so so so excited!!!!
eh, Randy...when are we going?
eh, Shari...are you sure you are ready????/
Carol |
Islandshari
Kwajalein
Marshall Islands
(Zone 11)
November 16, 2009
02:04 AM Post #7278575
| Carol, I will have just spent a month or more visiting with family and having a new granddaughter...I will be MORE than ready!!!!!
Yokwe,
Shari |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
November 16, 2009
04:29 PM Post #7279830
| I have the last week of May, and the first week of June...sometime in there. Thought I would stay with you a couple days first Carol. |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 16, 2009
06:21 PM Post #7280189
| Sounds wonderful to me...when I get back I will work on reservations...!!! |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
November 17, 2009
11:48 AM Post #7282523
| Reservations? for inter Island?
Since I'm going on standby pass, thought I would take you on one too...it's not free, but substantially less expensive..and you ride at my seniority. But it's up to you, I'm not sure how the island hopper runs as far as being full all the time or not. I have to check on it, but I'm thinking the island hopper goes from HNL, if not then GUM..that would be challenging if it's only from GUM as those flights HNL-GUM are full most of the time. I'll check it out today. |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
November 18, 2009
06:11 PM Post #7287405
| Okay..yes the island hopper does leave from HNL. Right now it is only 3 days a week,
Mon, Wed, Fri -- We are lucky as there is only one stop on the way to KWA...in Majuro.
I know you know we call it the island hopper for it's route Honolulu-Majuro-Kwajalein-Korsae-Pohnpei-Truk-Guam. (airport names)
Right now the sked is 655A arriving 1150AM...it is still 6:55 min total time. I'm already tired!
I'm assuming the schedule will be adjusted by then, either adding or decreasing flights and times...but that's what's in there right now.
As I said I have the last week of May and the first week of June. I'm not sure how full these flights go out, but imagine that may be kind of full- I just checked the price just for kicks...$1255.00 round trip... |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 25, 2009
11:03 PM Post #7310534
| Randy...sounds really really cool!!! Sheri should know about peak flying times... We are oing to have SOOOOOOOoooooooo much fun!!!
Let's move to Dmail before the green of envy shines thru the computer!!!
XXOO Carol |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
November 27, 2009
10:27 AM Post #7313471
| Envy envy envy, I've wanted to visit Kwaj for more than twenty years now---
But I'm loading myself with so much that needs me every day, plants and fish and chickens.
Post a travelogue once you do it!
Melissa --stuck on St Croix. |
Braveheartsmom
Kihei, HI
(Zone 11)
November 27, 2009
10:41 AM Post #7313495
| I would love to hear about your travel plans too! I also hope to see lots of pics after you guys get back. |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 27, 2009
03:18 PM Post #7314134
| OK...
Melissa...poor dear...stuck on St. Croix!!! I am excited about the possibility...there is SOOOOOOOOooooooooo much to do and see in this life before I check out!!!...
Randy...will call you when I get home...please email me your phone number...gotta chat with you, hear your lovely voice!!!
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Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
November 27, 2009
04:15 PM Post #7314289
| Actually I am amazed that I haven't moved to Thailand. |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
November 28, 2009
09:14 AM Post #7316068
| Oh, I love Thailand too! I never felt like a foreigner there, and thought I could live there happily.
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Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
November 29, 2009
07:49 AM Post #7318247
| When I got back home to St Croix, I was smiling at everyone for a couple of days, until I got too many "Are you crazy?" looks in return. It seemed so grim here for a while, until I got re-accustomed. |
AlohaHoya
Keaau, HI
(Zone 11)
November 29, 2009
03:32 PM Post #7319074
| Why are the folks in St.Croix glum? |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
November 29, 2009
03:42 PM Post #7319098
| In comparison to Thailand, "The Land of a Thousand Smiles, ANYPLACE is glum. You just cannot imagine the culture there, so gentle, and each person must smile hundreds of times every day.
They are shocked at how we Americans and Westerners display all our emotions, especially the negative ones, so freely. |
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique
December 10, 2009
07:51 AM Post #7354666
| How interesting, melissa. would you say they compare to the Dutch? the Dutch are also a very friendly and gracious people. Most white South Africans are descendents from the dutch, but i do admit that not all South africans are so friendly. it depends on where you are in South africa.
yes, i am green with envy, but i am young so maybe one day yet i will meet you all. you guys have fun!
Isaac |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
December 10, 2009
08:22 AM Post #7354715
| The Dutch!! hahaha, My mother is of Dutch lineage, so I'm half Dutch, in the blood.
I decided to live on a Dutch island for a while, over the course of three years I spent fifteen months there, Bonaire, love the place! I love the people, too!
Do not get offended when I say that my impression of the Dutch in general is "grim". Yes, friendly, gracious, polite, very very subdued. Very quiet. Very nice. I learned to never try to joke with a Dutch, they would get angry!
I went to a beachie place for a dinnerburger, and there were about fifty people on one side of the round bar. I sat on the other side for my meal. I saw a couple of presents brightly wrapped. Oh! A birthday party! I wouldn't have guessed, everyone was so quiet. A bunch of Texans(or Virginians like me, for that matter) would have been guffawing and moving around and generally making 500% as much noise and movement.
Now, do not be offended, I enjoyed being in a Dutch society very much. You could often recognize Americans by their laughter. A busy cafe would be quiet except for that table over there. I have lived outside the USA most of my life, so I'm a stranger in a strange land when I visit the States.
Thailand has still, in my humble opinion, the sweetest people, society, on Earth. I was a complete stranger, and they were generous, kind and helpful when I had the slightest problem, just more so than other places I've been. Umm, Brazil, Scotland, Polynesia, Mexico, Spain, the Caribbean, Australia, umm, where else have I been? That's most of it, I'm worn out and staying home now-a-days! |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
December 10, 2009
04:14 PM Post #7356148
| Same here- although my Dutch experience seems to be much better.
I've been to Liberia, Nigeria, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Sierra Leone (or whatever they call it now) The Gambia, Sennegal, England, Holland, Italy, Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand, Kuwait, Japan, Thailand, Mexico and Central America- and Thailand was truly the land of Hospitality. |
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)
December 10, 2009
06:13 PM Post #7356553
| Perhaps one must visit Thailand to experience the people and the place. I would have never been able to envision the culture. |
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique
December 11, 2009
02:37 PM Post #7359202
| no worries, molamola. i'm not offended at all. yes, i do agree, Americans are generally more loud than Dutch or South Africans. i don't mean to offend the americans here, but generally South Africans are not soooo fond of Americans. they say they are way too gigglish and loud!! but then again, it all depends on where you are in SA. generally, the white South Africans are very hospitable, friendly, and helpful, especially in the smaller communities. one thing that is essential to the South African culture, is our braais (barbacues). its the no. 1 in our culture! usually families will have one at least each weekend with friends over. those who drink sometimes reeeaaally get a bit jolly! we don't drink alcohol, though most south africans are very fond of their beers.
oh, yes, south africans don't have much of a sense of humor either!
Isaac |
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)
December 11, 2009
05:56 PM Post #7359749
| LOL, I'll admit using the cover story of "I'm Canadian" or "West African" on some of my travels around the world because of that stigma. ...but it's definately a label that some of the quieter Americans have to live with. |
