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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 01, 2009
04:28 AM Post #7229287
| Well here it comes ...the big heat.
Frizzled buds and grasshoppers.
Never mind it is worth it ...so here we go
Last year's Alphonse Mucha ...running late this year after the coldest Oct, in 17 years.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 01, 2009
04:32 AM Post #7229288
| We came from here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1049164/
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 01, 2009
04:49 PM Post #7230918
| Here come my seedlings ...
I am keeping careful watch over this cross
Butter Bomb x Glass House Angel noid  
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 01, 2009
04:59 PM Post #7230947
| Back later ...I am re charging my camera,
Hop in and show us your babies and teenagers (after you go outside and squish those hungry critters munching on your Angels.)
Pictures of the blooms even better as it is still mostly buds here. |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
November 01, 2009
06:35 PM Post #7231254
| For the grubby Brug growers. Colleen was showing me the grubs eating her Brugs and they turn out to be "Light Brown Apple Moth" (LBAM) a common native insect the grubs of which feed on a wide range of plants like most of our commercial fruit trees and ornamentals such as roses. They can do a lot of damage if not controlled but the remedy is simple spray with the natural product Baccilus thuringiensis, available under several trade names including Dipel. This organism is ingested by the grub and ruins its appetite (probably rots its guts out). Anyhow safe to use and very affective.
Brian |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 01, 2009
07:37 PM Post #7231463
| Well there is nothing opened out there at the moment except for zabaglione and it is still holding on to it's winter leaves and already drooping in the heat ...
So here is a lovely site to look at once again ...not in English but then who needs words.
Thanks brian ...just found the fat grasshoppers have arrived! ...oh well that's the lot of many plants in high heat ...hopefully my buds will open next week when things are supposed to be milder ...and rainy!!!
Sometimes life is just like that, we battle through for the good times and there is plenty of that to come!
ENJOY!
http://www.engelstrompete.de/site/home.htm |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 02, 2009
01:03 AM Post #7232510
| Some fun ...the poor Beatles grew up in England ...no wonder they loved the sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZtQh5EIgWQ |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 02, 2009
01:08 AM Post #7232518
| We grew up singing this one ...we can relate to it with our droughts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jj7qab6KC4&feature=related
It was played on our gramaphone over and over ... |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 02, 2009
01:28 AM Post #7232547
| Finally in honour of wayne's brug ...one of my favourite groups and songs ...I saw them perform at Sydney Stadium.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rXhXLsNJL8
Ok the doorbell is ringing ...can you tell I have been waiting for a delivery? |
MyaC
Magnetic Island
Australia
(Zone 11)
November 02, 2009
05:05 AM Post #7232733
| Chrissy ,thanks,I've received my seeds,will plant them in the morning... |
WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
November 02, 2009
03:13 PM Post #7234237
| Oh Chrissy, you do look after us! :)
I have just come in from a quick walk about, with a different kind of "brew" in hand. We are expecting further heat today, so I don't want a repeat performance of singed blooms due to my own neglect.
'#9' has since dropped that lot, and is developing new buds. Meanwhile '#11' is out for a second season. Same coloured blooms as 'Coral Reef', but not the extra long tendrils. '#15' is in bloom today for the first year. It did not bloom in the first season. A large lemon yesterday, fading this morning.
Shall post some pix.
Back to '#9', pictured here.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 02, 2009
07:38 PM Post #7235123
| It's way too difficult to judge anything in this awful hotspell ...
It's such a sudden and radical change we know the plants will cook and bleach out in many instances. BBQ time coming up today ...the arboreas need to be moved to shade as they suffer in high heat ...
Stay cool everyone ...I am watching all my buds with trepidation the ones in the sun can cook inside the buds ...I guess it's the only way to test them.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
November 02, 2009
07:48 PM Post #7235155
| I'm afraid there's another menace in addition to weather, pests and pets: clumsiness! When watering this morning, I heard a snap underfoot. I'd stepped on a limb of one of Alistair's Alphonse Mucha x Bruce’s Pink seedlings and it snapped right off, a piece almost a metre long. Worse than that, it was the only seedling of this cross that has set buds so far :-( I cut off the lower portion of the branch because it was crooked and placed the upper portion with buds on it into a bucket of water, but I reckon I've lost these flowers ... |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
November 02, 2009
11:44 PM Post #7235997
| G'Day All,
Chrissy I don't like the look of this. There was no visible signs yesterday but after 40c this Two Spotted Mite damage is so severe that it might mean it is impossible to control the buggers. This is what happens here with "French beans" we can get an early crop then pull the plants and burn them then when the heat is finished early March plant another. They also wreck the tomatoes and the normal controls from the nicest (Sulphur) to some of the nastiest organo-phosphates just seem to have no affect. For the first time I'm trying Neem Oil so will see how it goes.
Brian
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 03, 2009
12:45 AM Post #7236210
| Wow I have never seen something like that!
I can't tell you what to do with it since I have no experience with it.
I will google to see what I can find out ... what others may use.
cestrum sorry to hear you stepped on your precious plant ...never mind it will shoot again ...it will just take a bit longer that's all. |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 03, 2009
12:51 AM Post #7236222
| Brian, try either Confidor or Folimat. Systemic sprays that will get rid of practically any bug. I had the mites or similar on my angels and some other plants last year. They soon disappeared after spraying. You have to keep it up for about a week or so until the new leaves look healthy. I haven't seen any so far but will be watching. I have used Folimat for years and tried Confidor last year. You may find the affected leaves will eventually drop off but I picked any off that didn't drop and got rid of them in the bin.
Jean. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 03, 2009
01:01 AM Post #7236250
| jean thanks for that I was going to say that you might need something chemical ...How does it effect the leaves?
I only use soapy water when things might look a bit crook from various pests.
In this heat you can't use anything. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 03, 2009
01:07 AM Post #7236269
| Ok I found this ...
http://www.greenharvest.com.au/fact_sheets/fs_spot_mite.html
I was worried about the plants coming out of the hot box and coping with tender foliage. The good news is usually the fresh new leaves replace any damaged or new leaves quickly ...I would strip off most of those leaves and let new fresh leaves grow in. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 03, 2009
01:11 AM Post #7236276
| Something for our new Brugmansia Growers ...
http://www.brugmansia.us/content/index.php?option=com_conten...
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Stake
Barmera
Australia
November 03, 2009
01:42 AM Post #7236318
| I think I have tried all the chemicals without getting control. The Neem oil is a new tactic and Colleen says that dishwasher detergent worked for her. I tried the predatory mites some years ago but no luck. The suppliers don't tell you that the good mites need higher humidity than the two spotted mite so in our weather the predator has to remain deep in the foliage while the Two Spotted ones play merry hell on the outsides. The other thing that is a problem with out commercial sprayers, is the instructions to make sure of good coverage on the undersides of the leaves. The big rigs have so much pressure that the leaves are turned over but with the home garden applicators this pressure is not possible and in dense foliage it is not possible to get evenly at the undersides. Another snag I only discovered yesterday is a garden sprayer bottle cannot be used upside down and that is the only way to get at the undersides.
I'll keep trying with the oil to see if I can get control but if not successful will have to give the Brugs away because unlike the beans I can't up root and destroy several times per year.
The photo is typical of mite damage I could just as easily posted one of my beans or tomatoes or for that matter Stinging Nettles, Marsh Mallows or Nightshade.
Brian
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
November 03, 2009
02:17 AM Post #7236358
| Chrissy, once again I must congratulate you...
You do look after us! :)
That reference is very good. Some years back (early '90's) we obtained predatory mites from a supplier who had trial or associated trials with Richmond Campus UWS. At the time, the property I managed had close on 400 roses in a large single bed! My hands were tied as far as diversification of species in that mono-culture of roses, as it had historic value. My refusal to use pesticides to control the mite population raised the Board of Directors shackles at the time! I was not a popular person. They had no idea that the mites were resistant to whatever chemicals were available. :(
My IPM (Integrated Pest Management) plan, included not only the predatory mites, but also culling the plants most susceptible to attack, thus giving greater space between plants and reducing infection to other healthy plants.
Also addressing hygiene issues in the plot, that is safe disposal of infected plants and fallen leaves / blooms, lime sulphur winter spray after hard pruning. Tried Copper sprays as well from memory as we had a large Prunus population as well.
Time and type of watering... AM vs. PM, drip vs. overhead.
Monitoring each plant (yes, a big data base).
Other pest and disease issues within the plot were also addressed by using these simple principles.
Alistair would be aware, and able to comment far more eloquently than me on similar projects at Syd. RBG Rose Garden.
Our IPM came to a sticky end! :)))
Despite having my IPM in action for over a year, the rose plot was devastated! :(
No, not by 2 spotted mites, but by Eastern Rosellas!
Due to massive clearing of land in that particular area of semi-rural NW Sydney for housing development projects, the Eastern Rosellas and other displaced fauna sort new areas of grazing. Those lovely new water shoots on roses are full of sugar, rosellas love them!
The bed of once over 400 roses eventually was raised to make way for a car park servicing a newly created recreational amenity...
The above is a very brief account of IPM.
As Brug growers, we must be aware that within our plots, we need to know when enough is enough! How many are too many Brugs? The risk of producing mono-cultures rife with pest and disease problems is not a positive contribution to the advancement of this Genus...
OK! I raise my hand as guilty!
Ha, ha! 'Mea Culpa'!
I will reform my ways. :)
So far, no problems here on only 1,000 sq m. Fortunatly we have other gardens both here in this Forum and other properties here in Sydney to share the wealth! :)
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ctmorris
barmera
Australia
November 03, 2009
02:34 AM Post #7236368
| Chrissy the Elfin Pink cutting that you send has 2 buds on it. The little green grubs are playing havoc though. Pity help them if they get the buds. Colleen |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 03, 2009
03:47 AM Post #7236403
| Like any "collection" we run the risk of inviting bugs and other nasties to a banquet. I am experimenting with many different plants and herbs as underplantings to help confuse the critters.I am trialing things in both shade and full sun.
I am not trained and didn't do any courses, but I have been a gardener for a long time and this gives me everyday experience in some regard (I have had many different gardens in my life)
Sometimes we do need to bite the bullet ...as I have many times in the past when something does not work. Lily of the Valley for example.
I must say that 40C is expecting a lot from our plants and if that temp and above is common where you are, and water is scare then ...I would think about it. We can't always have it all and after a day like today (very cruel ...we hit 40C here with strong hot winds.) In Texas they have these conditions and they just basically keep the plants alive until cooler weather returns.I don't anyone to think that blooms opening in this heat are the true story.
The brugmansias in both shade and full sun are limp ...it would break your heart unless you have grown them before and know that they will recover.
Things I now know though are ...I have grown some experimental seeds outside without shade clothe ...they grew easily.
Not only that but they are still ok after the big heat today and yesterday, that causes me to think that growing them tough may make them tougher than the ones treated with great love and kindness.
I am happy to say there are many seedlings out there (older ones) that look ok even after today while others look a bit fried. Proudly I must say that Fire Fighter Angel is just looking the same as usual *I mean the leaves*, I hope those of you with buds on your FFA have good luck with them ...many brugs do drop buds in conditions like this.
I hear the frogs croaking out there so hopefully they will clean up some bugs.
brian you said colleen uses detergent in water ...I use Sunlight soap in water with a few drops of veggie oil ...I spray this in the evening as the temps drop. Fish emulsion too as a spray is pretty good (stinks a bit) it confuses the bugs.
Good luck everyone.
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Alistair
Nowra, NSW,
Australia
(Zone 9b)
November 03, 2009
03:44 PM Post #7237846
| Jean while I agree wholeheartedly that confidor is a good product as a general systemic insecticide, and can be applied as a drench to reduce its impact on good insects, it does not work on spider mites (which are not insects): in fact it has been shown to INCREASE their reproductive rate by about 25%!!!
Sorry to hear you experience with predatory mites was unproductive Brian. I find them excellent here: particularly persimilis for spider mites. They do take about a month to get going though, and infestations get worse before they get better, but after that I don't have to think about spider mites for the whole of the rest of the growing season!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 03, 2009
04:21 PM Post #7237964
| I must admit that I would be most reluctant to use poisons.
I figure (in my garden anyway) if I have to resort to that, then forget it.
I think those poisons do more harm than good because they kill the good guys as well as the bad guys and may also kill us in the end. I made up my mind long ago after reading that mothers milk was full of pesticides when tested. The more fruit and veggies in their diet ...the higher the level.After reading that I have never used anything non organic in spray form again.Prior to that I used Folimat ...that was in the mid 70's. Things are getting better since then ...there is a growing change re poisons in the garden.
So my leaves won't be perfect ...they are good enough though and from what I have seen, most growers even the best of the best have leaf damage from critters or winds/hail etc.
The Brugmansias seem to be able to just keep going despite most problems ...they soon replace damaged leaves with lovely fresh ones.
Get rid of the old leaves and most of the problems stay under reasonable control.
It's a lovely mild morning, it's sprinkling. No wonder the plants are confused ...
I have so many buds ready to pop ...hopefully in mild weather and hopefully they were not cooked yesterday. |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 03, 2009
04:53 PM Post #7238067
| Thank you Alistair, for adding that bit about the systemic sprays and mites. I am always learning. Perhaps my bugs were something else , not mites. The damage looked like Brians though. Maybe Chrissy's method worked as I did pull off the most affected leaves and isolated the affected plants. The new leaves grew quite healthy. I found it was mainly a few of the Iochromas that were affected . The Angels seem to be okay except for a few caterpillar holes. Its the wind here that tears the leaves.. Like Chrissy again, I don't worry about damaged leaves much as the flowers more than make up for it. I have such a lot of mixed plants around that I don't get bugs attacking any particular plant too much. I think diversity is the key to keeping the bugs down. As Wayne found with the roses, lots of the one type of plant in the same place alone will draw bugs. My roses have to grow among lots of low ground covers and the odd iris or whatever I have stuck in a space. I think we all learn from doing . DG is a great place to learn too, as has just been shown with this bug discussion. So helpful to know what happens elsewhere and any new things to try. I think the Angels are very hardy plants overall.
Jean |
Alistair
Nowra, NSW,
Australia
(Zone 9b)
November 03, 2009
06:22 PM Post #7238398
| I agree about not using poisons - to me they are the method of last resort, and I only use them in the shade house, not in the open garden.
I mainly use confidor for whitefly outbreaks, and water it into the pots. After a few days the plants have taken it up and the whitefly are gone. Whitefly are vectors for broadmite which is why I get a bit hysterical when I see them!! |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
November 03, 2009
07:26 PM Post #7238609
| I'm a stripper LOL I just strip the affected leaves off the brug. I've got some Eco oil that I intend to try (not on the brugs) at some stage but it's easier to just strip off the leaves. The good thing about brugs is that they regrow so easily. Like Chrissy, I squash too. Or, in the case of those locust-coloured grass-hopping insects which are quite hard to kill by hand (quite big, tough shell and they kick hard), I decapitate with secateurs, or a trowel or whatever implement is closest to hand. Gruesome but quick and, I hope, relatively painless.
Brian, it would be a shame if you got rid of all your brugs, but it might be a good time to cut back the numbers to a more manageable level. Or let the bugs do it for you and see what's left ... |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
November 03, 2009
08:14 PM Post #7238767
| G'Day
You never know it might be a good thing to see if one sort is more resistant than another. Also I was looking for alternative control measures and found that "Biological Services" at Loxton have a predatory mite that is OK in our dry heat.
Although they do sell to home gardeners they have a minimum quantity that is a commercial number. The minimum quantiy costs $56 so is not too expensive and I don't reckon I can have too many goodies so when the next batch is ready (Monday or Tuesday) I'll go for a drive and get some. My Neem Oil spray of yesterday might drop the number of Two Spotted low enough that the predators can control them.
Brian |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 03, 2009
09:55 PM Post #7239104
| This is one of my Suavolens x out in the ground. Chrissy , can you see it amid the jungle of roses, hellebores and geranium species ? 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 04, 2009
01:24 AM Post #7239677
| I see it jean ...better watch out now it's loose, you might get a bit of a shock at quickly it will grow. They smell like heaven.
A stripper huh cestrum ...that gave me a giggle ...
wonderful advice from everyone ...that's what it's all about!
I am really busy running around at the moment but look at these ...
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 04, 2009
01:28 AM Post #7239683
| I have so many buds on lots of new seedlings ...and not enough time to worry about them ...tick tock tick tock ... I can see a little frizzle on some but on the whole they look ok ...so far. 
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
November 05, 2009
03:12 PM Post #7244703
| B. 'Lipstick'.
A wonderful deep pink with great tendrils. I was amazed the other day to find the fully open blooms out in the heat and full sun. It's staying power is wonderful!
IMO 'Lipstick' out shines E.P. and M.P. aka R.H.P., for form, lasting and intensity of colour, heat tollerance.
Thanks Chrissy for the cutting, and many thanks Alistair for bringing this Brug to us!
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 05, 2009
04:15 PM Post #7244882
| This is Alphonse yesterday with a little friend. The flower is peeping out very green compared to last season. I have not been out yet to see him but as we are supposed to have a few warm days, he should be right out soon. 
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tropicalsydney
Sydney
Australia
November 06, 2009
01:18 AM Post #7246589
| That is gorgeous Wayne, now I know what to look forward to. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 07, 2009
04:42 AM Post #7249681
| wayne ...I am very happy you love Lipstick ...it's a very beautiful brugmansia. It takes the heat very well. Not that we know what that is around here ...it's been cool and drizzling ...grey skies again.
The poor plants don't know what heck to do after a 40C day and then down to 18C and wet ...I am sure they think it's Autumn.
i thought you all might like to see something i have never seen before ...this is an old sydney Apricot (before it colours) in a 6 point bloom, it's quite beautiful.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 07, 2009
04:44 AM Post #7249682
| It will be very lovely when it changes colour (if it does in this crazy weather.) 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 07, 2009
04:48 AM Post #7249683
| finally some movement in the older plants ...so slow this year, last year they were early. They did say it's been the coldest october in 17 years.
Zabaglione is starting up
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 07, 2009
04:50 AM Post #7249685
| Sugar Pink very pale as yet but with a pretty big flush building up ...quite unusual for her as she is usually a spot bloomer. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 07, 2009
04:53 AM Post #7249686
| Clementine is flushing again (great flusher) and even has a slightly deformed but good skirt dropped on one bloom. It's the bloom on the right. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 07, 2009
04:55 AM Post #7249687
| It's an amazing Brug ...all those blooms on a small plant.
I can't imagine the wonders it will perform once in the ground.
lovely strong fresh scent.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 07, 2009
05:02 AM Post #7249689
| This is a "Frosty Pink "look alike called Crinoline (noid i think) it's about to bloom.The Frosty Pink is now also in bud so I will be able to see for myself if it is one and the same plant with a bit of luck. I must say that the leaves look different but then this plant has grown in the open sun while my Frosty Pinks have had at least a half day shade so the leaves looking different may not mean much. If it isn't i think it must be related for sure.
The white fly have come in while I have been busy ...little %^&*
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 07, 2009
05:07 AM Post #7249692
| I have found many dropped buds on the ground ...I don't know if it was that horrible two days of heat or constant cool temps since.
Just the same many remain on the plants so hopefully we will get some stable weather soon.
The news out of coff's harbour is not too good ...I hope everyone up North is ok ...we are thinking of you.
jean you too ...
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
05:39 PM Post #7253874
| This morning finds my dear Dreamtime noid is flushing again ...I have to love her, she is strong and has great staying power with blooms usually lasting about 5/7 days. She has continued to bloom ever since the first bud. The lady birds attack her leaves because I can't reach them but apart from that no problems are present. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
05:41 PM Post #7253887
| from the shady side where the colour is more true 
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MyaC
Magnetic Island
Australia
(Zone 11)
November 08, 2009
05:43 PM Post #7253896
| my OSA is flushing, beautifully hidden amongst the frangi,ixora and ginger... 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
05:43 PM Post #7253897
| More buds opening ...I hope they don't burn off after all the rain and grey skies ...it will get very hot here 7C hotter than Sydney. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
05:46 PM Post #7253907
| yay the possoms didn't get them ...beautiful! mya 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
05:48 PM Post #7253913
| At last some action even Sugar Pink noid is loading up with buds and they are just starting to go off 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
05:49 PM Post #7253920
| More 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
05:50 PM Post #7253927
| More new seedling buds 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
05:52 PM Post #7253939
| I can hardly wait to see if the colours are different to the winter blooms 
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Alistair
Nowra, NSW,
Australia
(Zone 9b)
November 08, 2009
05:53 PM Post #7253943
| I have had a lot of buds drop too Chrissy. My original plant of Butter Bomb was absolutely LOADED but now there is a deep carpet of buds beneath it! Its still got a lot of flowers though. I wish I knew what the cause was. I think the odd temps might have something to do with it. Also it has been very dry until recently, plus I haven't fertilized this season at all. I was o/s when that should have been done, and now I can't afford it lol |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
06:00 PM Post #7253969
| I have been mean with feeding too because it has been mostly cool and wet here, I truly think that the coldest Oct in 17 years has had a lot to do with it because (despite that there were about 3days of terrible heat ...here anyway) ...it might have tricked the plants into thinking it was autumn.
Things seem to be picking up now though ...gee no rain? that's not good, I wish I could give you some of mine.
It may be so little sun too, grey skies all the time trick the plants don't they ...I have noticed so many different things happening this year ...so many things are really late. It may be pretty harsh when the true summer arrives I think we and the plants will go into shock!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
06:05 PM Post #7253984
| I forgot to say that you know something has been going on when Old sydney apricot dropped it's buds ...hundreds.
More buds coming already and some blooms survived.
Here is Dreamtime noid having a gasp at Fire Fighter Angel's leaves
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 08, 2009
06:55 PM Post #7254113
| At last, a flower. Here is Alphonse Mucha yesterday morning. He opens quite yellow. 
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 08, 2009
06:56 PM Post #7254117
| Here he is late yesterday , still creamy but turning whiter. 
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 08, 2009
07:06 PM Post #7254146
| Alphonse this morning. Lovely. Still not a pure white. I thought he may be a bit different because his first flower was in the greenhouse last March and now he lives in the sun until around lunchtime. I think he is more yellow on opening outside.
I went down in the evening to catch the perfume. Mmmmmmmm. A tad vanilla with something else to me.
He has grown very tall still in his pot.
Now I await GHA with buds growing fast. I was hoping for Zabaglione and Sugar Pink to bud , but not yet. Everythingis growing fast. I had a small mite ?? problem but it seems to have been fixed now. Lots of new green leaves.
Chrissy , your babies are gorgeous. I do envy you the climate for your Angels but I don't think it would be good for me.
Today will be very hot. It is just on 30C now and more forecast for the week. Very hot very quickly. One can't get slowly used to it . Hope you are all surviving the rain up there too. A little here would be lovely. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
07:22 PM Post #7254198
| jean Alphonse Mucha is a much more elegant bloom after a couple of warm days ...some blooms look a bit strange after weird conditions ...but they straighten up when the weather is more normal ...despite what you think I believe your weather will be just fine ...it will always be about a month or so behind us that's all.
AM usually has the fragrance of warmed honeyed milk to my nose ...strongest in the evening. try to sniff again after the sun goes down. Mine AM in the shade isn't blooming yet (covered in buds though). While the cutting grown one in full sun has bloomed a bit like yours ...and smaller than the normal one.I haven't used much food because of the cold. I am using the recipe now as of last week.
My first AM flush was on a steamy hot evening in summer ...it knocked me over with it's superb fragrance and large creamy white blooms.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 08, 2009
08:26 PM Post #7254375
| Postcript ...:)
Getting darker.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
05:02 AM Post #7255238
| late today ...it's lovely. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
05:07 AM Post #7255239
| cestrum a green worm beat me to it but this is one of yours ...much like Glass House Angel but it is different in the fragrance (not quite as rich) and the colour is a golden orange instead of an orange orange. Both beautiful though yours is a little chewed up. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
05:10 AM Post #7255242
| fragrance is more gentle but also a bit similar ...perhaps that is the worm's fault. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
05:13 AM Post #7255243
| I like it it's cute and almost the identical size of Glass House Angel noid. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
05:14 AM Post #7255244
| Here is Glass house Angel noid blooming at the same time 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
05:20 AM Post #7255250
| face on 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
05:25 AM Post #7255253
| I am delighted to have them both in my garden thanks you two ...I can hardly wait to meet the other Aureas.
here is Clementine about to drop her skirt without the distress
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Stake
Barmera
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:15 AM Post #7255303
| No fair you mob. Why can't I have a flower or at least a bud. I thought the cuttings I got from Berri might have budded up because they were tips out from the flowers and being in the Brug mansion grew pretty well right through Winter.
Brian |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 09, 2009
04:54 PM Post #7256972
| Hang around Brian. I find I am way behind Chrissy and the others with buds etc but they will appear and you will turn into a real Angel person when your own very first flower opens.
Chrissy, Alphonse is turning orange. I will post a pic later as the camera is charging now. He has a lovely mottled look this morning and still has the scent from last night.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
November 09, 2009
05:54 PM Post #7257157
| Your Golden Butter is in its inbetween colouring, Chrissy--neither orange nor yellow. In cold weather the blooms are almost orange; in warm weather, they turn a pure yellow. The colour pretty much reflects the general weather. Interesting about the scent. Once again, it's strongest in cool weather. If Glasshouse Angel has the better scent, then I'll probably end up pulling out my GB because of its susceptibility to pests and diseases.
Despite the recent hailstorm, which shredded the blooms on my Ecuador Pink, my Melbourne Old White has undamaged green blooms that should open in the next few days. I'll post pics when they're ready. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
06:35 PM Post #7257280
| Gosh that would be a shame ...I won't throw mine away, just put it far away from others ...it's colouring reminds me of the in between colouring of Chloe ...as I said the green grub had chewed a fair bit of the bloom out so the fragrance can't be absolutely correct.
It's been awfully slow to start but here comes the Spring rush ...
When People ask why I love Brugmansias ...it's about the show!
It's like going to the best show in town every single day ...beautiful performers doing their best to entertain.
Always a surprise ...changing shades (costumes) ...different perfumes, depending on the individual performers ...Love my Angels!
Look at Clementine today!
Such a big show for a small plant ...outstanding!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
06:37 PM Post #7257287
| beautiful, beautiful prima donna ...is Clementine 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
06:40 PM Post #7257303
| Here are some of the chorus ...a bit shy (this is Dreamtime noid) she is blushing but i know she will come out of her shell 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
06:44 PM Post #7257313
| and here are the dancers ...I see Zabaglione and one Sugar Pink noid at the bottom of the set (she is a real flirty little miss)
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
06:48 PM Post #7257335
| Gosh most of them have forgotten their make up ...they need it after such a long cold Winter ...oh well it is only the first rehearsal.
So pale ...but very beautiful none the less. It's the Sugar Pink group.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
November 09, 2009
06:49 PM Post #7257343
| Problem is, in a small garden there's not anywhere that's really far from anywhere else. Behind the shed, perhaps ... Clementine is a beauty. Amazing blooms on such a small plant. Will you be trying to cross her with FFA? Or would there be nothing to gain from that, given that they're both such lovely double yellows?
BTW, I have been knocked over by the scent coming from my neighbour's garden. Unbelievably, it's a palm tree. When it flowers, which it does for several months, it emits the most powerful sweet fragrance that can be smelt several houses down and on the street, depending upon which way the wind blows. (Fortunately, I'm downwind of it so I get the full force of its fragrance: superb.) It smells like lollies, intensely sweet without being sickly. Wayne, even you would smell it! It's called Arenga engleri. I was mulching over the weekend and my entire backyard was engulfed in the superb perfume. Then, to top it off, I got the subtler floral fragrance of the champaca every time I walked past the tree. Heaven! |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
06:52 PM Post #7257354
| Oh there is a new dancer ...he hasn't got his golden make up on yet ...I last saw him in a winter show ...he wore a beautiful yellow/orange outfit then ...I wonder what colour his outfit will be for the show ...he is very handsome even if very pale. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
06:59 PM Post #7257384
| cestrum that sounds wonderful ...our gardens are a stage and we are the audience ...if we are lucky we get the perfume as well as the drama ...(I must google that palm after).
I am thinking that Clementine and Fire fighter Angel may be pretty good but a double x a double can be deformed ...I would rather cross them back to wonderful singles ...but I probably will have a go.
Oh look more new dancers ...here they come, I love dress rehearsals ...but can hardly wait for the show when they are all in their costumes (real colours).
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:00 PM Post #7257387
| Oh it's the can can ... 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:09 PM Post #7257410
| I love them doing the can can ...no frilly knickers though!
Uh oh ...oops there comes the great Alphonse Mucha ...stop flirting with the cast ...you have forgotten your tuxedo! You have beenout on the town ...better nick out the back and straighten yourself up.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:12 PM Post #7257422
| Just look at the conducter (Old Sydney Apricot) flirting with Clementine.
Oh that will cause some scandel ...he is engaged to miss Sugar Pink!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:14 PM Post #7257432
| Poor thing I think she is going to cry on AM 's Shoulder. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:15 PM Post #7257439
| Everyone gathers to offer tissues 
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:15 PM Post #7257440
| Chrissy, I love your dancers. So descriptive of them. My first GHA bud has opened a bit.
Here is Alphonse Mucha this morning . As you can see he has become flushed. Maybe he had a night on the town , but the color has evened out a bit since I took the pic. He is a lovely creamy apricot now. I wonder what will happen after another hot day today.
One of my GHAs had 2 trunks so I cut the side one off this morning . I cut the piece in half as it was over 4'long. I now have 2 pieces about 2' long with one being a Y stuck in a pot. I already have a small cutting shooting in the base of the pot from months ago.
So exciting , all these lovelies opening up.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:27 PM Post #7257490
| Chrissy, my poor Alphonse has no lady friends to dance with as yet . He is down the back next to the epi house where he seems to like it . My main lady, GHA is too far away to have any sort of affair. Maybe some of Alphonse's friends will bud up to keep him company. He has Zabaglione next door to him and Sugar Pink a little way along the wall. His other neighbours are all teenagers . Maybe he can converse with the lady epis hanging above him, but I don't think they are very sociable , having their noses in the air , so to speak.
I thought he would be white as he was at his first blooming back in March. Was that because it was a first flower ? Still beautiful though. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:29 PM Post #7257497
| Yes jean it is ...can you see the shot above yours? that is Zabaglione and he and AM turn the same colour (they have the same parents).
Don't you love AM's fragrance?
Anyway I guess I had better come down to earth again and go do some work ...I love to "escape" reality on occasion and to me my Angels have real personalities sometimes ...one of my seedlings had me hearing Japanese opera in my head it was so Geisha looking ...I just love this!
I just have to tell every one ...these plants are amazing! those of you who already know them don't have to be told that, those who don't ...well you don't know what you are missing.
When these plants stand up almost face to face with you and shove an exotic bloom that is as stunning and fragrant as any glorious lily right at you, it's personal! it's amazing and everyone should have at least one to adore. Not that anyone could stop at one.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:34 PM Post #7257522
| Ooops , same parents ? Maybe I'd better move Zabaglione further away from Alphonse. Can't have naughty things going on there then. Seriously, Chrissy, you are exactly right. Once one has seen and smelt an Angel, one must have them. Hubby thought I was silly at first but he now comes to see and catch the most evocative scents. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 09, 2009
07:47 PM Post #7257567
| I think breeding Zabaglione to AM is a really good idea ...
This holds true for any outstanding siblings. You then grow out the whole pod and pick the best.
Here at my home jean the fragrance of many things pervades my home, the brugs and snail creeper are the most intense at night ...the fragrance drifts in through the windows and from under the doors ...it's truly heaven ...I can always smell most of them before I even see the buds open ...and now days I can almost pick which one has opened before I even go outside to look, it's wonderful! |
Stake
Barmera
Australia
November 09, 2009
08:15 PM Post #7257710
| G'Day
We get some lovely aromas here too when the "Blockers" are spreading their fertilizers and soil amendments. I like Grape marc (the grape skins & seeds from the wineries) reminds me of dried fruit and Christmas cake and puddings. Then there are the others that are really wonderful like Pig or Chook manure and it can be smelled for miles.
On a serious note picked up my predatory mites this morning from Biological Services at Loxton. The owner wonders if my two spotted mite population might not be too high for the predators to cope on the Beans & Zuchinnis but reckons they should work wonders on the Brugs. He asked that I keep him informed whether success or failure, which I will and you people as well.
Brian |
Alistair
Nowra, NSW,
Australia
(Zone 9b)
November 09, 2009
09:41 PM Post #7258052
| Good luck Brian: I have had great success with predators on 2-spotted mite, but I found they take a while to get on top of the infestation, so be prepared for it to seem to get worse before it gets better (about a month here)! |
Budgieman
Sydney
Australia
November 10, 2009
03:32 AM Post #7259058
| My first Brug.
Cheers
Steve
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
November 10, 2009
03:34 AM Post #7259060
| Looks pretty, Steve. Someone might be able to identify it for you, assuming it's not a seedling. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 10, 2009
04:37 AM Post #7259081
| steve ...congratulations!
Go sniff it in the twilight ...
what does it smell like?
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Stake
Barmera
Australia
November 10, 2009
06:27 AM Post #7259154
| G'Day
No sign of the last lot of Brug seed planted has anyone else seen anything yet. That's 11 days and it has been pretty warm here in fact so warm I removed the plastic cover so they wouldn't cook.
Brian |
Alistair
Nowra, NSW,
Australia
(Zone 9b)
November 10, 2009
03:47 PM Post #7260549
| Cuttings arrived thanks Wayne :) |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 10, 2009
05:03 PM Post #7260800
| I just grew mine out in a shade cloth covered place in January it was raing all the time and it was fairly cool for summer brian ...just because they were 10 days for me does not mean that that is the exact time for germination ...I think we have all found out that Brug seeds have a mind of their own. If anything I would be careful of heat in that situation, I only say that because the arborea don't seem to enjoy the heat like the other brugs. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
November 10, 2009
05:39 PM Post #7260890
| None of my arborea seeds has germinated yet, but I reckon two weeks would be pretty much the minimum anyway. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
November 10, 2009
05:47 PM Post #7260930
| Hi everyone ...yes I agree with you cestrum ...
Come walk with me ...over here
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