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mamajack
Fate, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 4, 2009
12:32 AM

Post #7238824

gaillardia
dahlia
helenium
thunbergia
rudbeckia green wizard
hollyhocks
maozamom
Orrville, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 4, 2009
12:57 AM

Post #7238900

gaillardia- I've had no luck with burgundy but others I've tried with good success

dahlia- did well

rudbeckia- haven't tried green wizard but others are easy

hollyhocks- easy


mao
mamajack
Fate, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 4, 2009
2:13 AM

Post #7239185

what about sunflowers or morning glories?

maybe i will sow half the gaillardia. winter sowing for me will most likely be in jan. when the rains start.
maozamom
Orrville, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 4, 2009
6:56 AM

Post #7239758

I direct sow both sunflowers and MGs. They really don't need the extra time that is the benefit of winter sowing.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 4, 2009
4:32 PM

Post #7240674

gaillardia -- very easy. WS or direct sow.

dahlia -- for me, no luck on these.

helenium -- never had seeds for these

thunbergia -- never had seeds for these

rudbeckia green wizard -- Ruds are easy too. most are second year bloomers, but i'd imagine in warmer zones, you could get them started in the Fall and they'd bloom the next summer.

hollyhocks -- easy. again most are second year bloomers as they are Bi-Annuals.
Green foliage the first year, flower stalks and blooms the second... But they drop enough seeds that after the first year you will always have them.

sunflowers -- easy. I have found they do not like being transplanted.. so do so when they are still small.

morning glories -- easy. once you get them, they drop so many seeds, you will have them forever.

Terese
mamajack
Fate, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 4, 2009
9:01 PM

Post #7241623

what kind of soil have you seen hollyhocks doing that in? that's what i want. a place for them to reseed but what is it that they need for them to do that?

would the hybrid sunflowers winter sow? would too much rain rot them? my ground doesn't ever freeze here in fate. do any but the native one here in texas reseed themselves?

do the japanese morning glories reseed just as well as the "regular" ones?

happy to hear about the green wizard though. can this kind tolerate total drought? i have not had good luck with most of these and don't know why.

do yall winter sow amaranthus? what other really colorful flowers do yall grow that reseeds themselves?

and thanks to you both.
maozamom
Orrville, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 4, 2009
9:15 PM

Post #7241645

Hollyhock reseed in my clay soil.
I find the amaranthus I direct sow grows faster than the ones that I WS because they don't suffer transplant shock. These reseed.
Ruds and coneflower reseed, also Knautia macedonica, Verbena bonariensis, Joe Pye weed, and Malva 'Zebrina' are some of my favorite reseeds.

mao

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 4, 2009
9:32 PM

Post #7241680

mamajack... the soil where i plant [it actually is not my property, but state property] is an old corn field. My Hollyhocks do throw a lot of seeds, but I'm not over whelmed with them. this was only my second year with blooms... I actually just came in from weeding, if you really should weed in Nov... but I have tiny lil HH babies... so i will see what next year brings.

I have tried direct sowing some, with no luck.

I think MG's [all of them] will reseed. best place to ask would be the MG forum. I do not know enough about them to know if I have the Jap variety. but my GrandPa Otts have been reseeding since 07 ... and I only planted them that year... all others have come back by seed... luckily, i love them.

Blue Flax reseeds very nicely. Bachelor Buttons, Rudbeckias, Mexican Hats, I'd think any that would be considered a "prairie" plant would reseed nicely. those off the top of my head reseed in my flower beds. OH and Brazilian Bachelor Buttons.

as for Green Envy - I have not tried growing that one so i dont know if it is any different from any other Echine. I've got tons of the Eastern purpurea. Hopefully next year all the others I WS'ed will bloom.

I have had decent luck with the Amaranthus winter sowing them and planting out. Ones that come back from fallen seed tend to 'be behind' the WS ones and are much smaller in size.
maozamom
Orrville, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 4, 2009
10:16 PM

Post #7241805

I forgot to include two of my favorite reseeders, nigella and wallflowers.
dmac085
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7a)

November 5, 2009
11:08 PM

Post #7245440

I've had plenty of thunbergia drop seed and it has never self sowed so I'm thinking WS may not work with them. I usually wait and sow in place after last frost.

Good info on the rest:)
mamajack
Fate, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 6, 2009
5:00 AM

Post #7246556

well in miss. where there is sandy soil a guy there had the regular yellow ones reseeding. it's never happened here though. i have a bunch of thunbergia seeds that i bought in bulk from gardengirl so i'm going to try them both ways.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

November 6, 2009
11:17 AM

Post #7246790

I have sown them successfully. Just wait until close to your spring and they'll sprout fast.

Karen

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 7, 2009
4:28 PM

Post #7250388

The native gaillardia don't need much to sprout, so don't WS them until mid-Feb. I think all they need is a bit of water and sun in order to sprout! LOL I WS a whole container of them last year and even the ones that didn't get covered with dirt germinated. I have 10,000 babies under the ONE plant I planted last spring, so they are prolific reseeders. Each head has about a bazillion seeds on it, too.

I've successfully WS plain rudbeckia with great success. They take awhile to get going as they like nice, warm soil. Again, I wouldn't sow until mid-Feb on those here in our area.

klstuart
Simpsonville, SC
(Zone 7b)

November 12, 2009
12:32 PM

Post #7266352

Mamajack, I was successful with wintersowing Helenium Aromaticum last year, along with a whole bunch of others. Need to get my notes into the wintersow database here!
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

November 12, 2009
12:37 PM

Post #7266361

I've sown all kinds of rudbeckia. I sow them early, Jan or Feb. I also plant them out in very early spring, when really tiny. Often they only have a set or two of true leaves. Once in the ground, they take off and grow pretty fast for me.

Karen
mamajack
Fate, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 12, 2009
2:17 PM

Post #7266631

klstuart...what winter sowing database are you talking about?

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 12, 2009
2:20 PM

Post #7266637

I have not really delved into this... though it was about 2 yrs ago that this started...

here is a link... though i am not sure how i got here.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/ws/
klstuart
Simpsonville, SC
(Zone 7b)

November 12, 2009
2:39 PM

Post #7266690

Its always a challenge to find, and the advice is a little sketchy, but it's someplace to start! You can add your info at the bottom of any plantfiles entry also.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 12, 2009
2:45 PM

Post #7266707

I think that is how i found it actually... i remember there was a
"Add a winter sowing germination report for this plant"
at the bottom ... though i have not used it yet.

I really should...

and I should "bookmark it" or add to my favorites.. if i can remember how to do that... so i can find it again.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

December 21, 2009
1:30 PM

Post #7387428

Has anyone every WS delphinum? I would like to try those. Information I've read states that they should be sowed directly. I was told that any seeds that can be sown directly usually do well being WS in containers. You all gave some useful information. For winter sowing. I am going to try foxgloves, malva, hollyhocks, delphiniums,rudbeckias (several cultivars), butterfly weed and butterfly bush. I'm interested in having a bf and hb garden with xeriscape and native plants. If anyone has any advice I would greatly appreciate it, especially regarding delphiniums.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 21, 2009
2:12 PM

Post #7387561

Diamond... did you happen to get any Bronze Fennel seeds? Great herb for the Swallowtails, and so cool looking too.

The only time i tried Delph seeds... they were old seeds, marked that way on the baggie, and i guess the seeds need to be fresh. I purchased two little ones, mid-season at WallyWorld on sale... did get some seeds, but now i have no idea where they are... but if i find them, i will WS them and hope for the best.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

December 21, 2009
3:27 PM

Post #7387808

TC, I never heard of bronze fennel seeds but I will look them up. I bought a couple of delp plants and only one of them survived so I don't know if the one reseeded. What do you mean by "fresh" seeds? Are you saying that you have to harvet the seeds and plant them right away?

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 21, 2009
3:38 PM

Post #7387845

From what i understand, every seed has a length of time that they are viable.

I really dont know evough about it though... I know there is a web site somewhere.. and i know the link is around here somewhere... that shows how long a 'seed is good for'.

I'd say, "fresh" as in, not years old.

Here is bronze fennel http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/285/

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 21, 2009
3:50 PM

Post #7387879

Diamond... take a peek at my "HAVES" list
http://davesgarden.com/community/trading/list.php?list=have&member=tcs1366
see if anything grabs your fancy.. some of the seeds i'm out of... though most are marked
[I really cleaned house this year in the seed swap]

but most everything i plant is for dry conditions and Bird/Bees/Butterflies
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

December 21, 2009
7:34 PM

Post #7388416

Hey I would like to try the bronze fennel and the milkweed. I was getting that confused with the butterfly weed. How tall does the fennel and milkweed get?
maozamom
Orrville, OH
(Zone 5b)

December 21, 2009
7:43 PM

Post #7388433

I've had good luck with delph's as long as they're less than a year old. I never had any luck in the house, so before WS I had to buy the plants.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2009
8:02 PM

Post #7388471

I still have some Guardian Blue Delphinium seeds that are fresh off my plants this fall, if you want some. Tcs, I will check to see if I put some in your Piggy bag. I am planning to get them in the mail today.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

December 21, 2009
9:01 PM

Post #7388586

Maoza, did you winter sow your delphs or direct sow?

Guardian blue is beautiful! Of all the color that has top be the prettiest! Can you imagine the guardian blue, purple and white delphs in you garden?
maozamom
Orrville, OH
(Zone 5b)

December 21, 2009
9:36 PM

Post #7388677

They were winter sowed. I've never tried to direct sow because they grow so slow the first year I would probably weed them out before I realized what I had done.

mao

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 21, 2009
9:46 PM

Post #7388695

Diamond... the only Milkweed I have seeds for at the moment are the "Common" Milkweed Asclepias syriaca
I have very few of the scarlet Asclepias curassavica... but i'll sow them and have tons of seeds next year.

and with the Bronze Fennel being hardy here... i do not ever need to sow them again... so those seeds i still have.
the probably get 24-30" high.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 21, 2009
9:46 PM

Post #7388696

thanks Lynn. ;-)

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 21, 2009
9:53 PM

Post #7388711

Diamond... here is a "seed longevity" web site.
http://www.hillgardens.com/seed_longevity.htm

Bluespiral pointed me in the right direction...
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2009
10:21 PM

Post #7388776

Diamond, do you want me to send you some of the Guardian Blue?
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

December 21, 2009
10:38 PM

Post #7388820

Do you have enough of the Guardian Blue to send to me and TC? If so, I would love to have some! I have some seeds I can send to you as a trade. Are there any seeds you're interested in having?
skimper
Greenwich, OH

December 21, 2009
10:38 PM

Post #7388823

I have had great! success ws hollyhocks and gallardia.
I have ws magnus coneflower seeds and grow true from seeds.
Anyone needing any 09 fresh seeds of magnus coneflower, let me know?
These are great! to ws.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2009
10:45 PM

Post #7388841

Yep, I will send you some, Diamond. I saved enough for me and for a local DG gardeners swap that we are having in Jan.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

December 21, 2009
11:11 PM

Post #7388913

I would love to have some of the magnus coneflower. I'm papraying I have as much success as you all have had. You all make it sound so easy. If anyine can mess up something easy I can and I'm good at it!
skimper
Greenwich, OH

December 21, 2009
11:18 PM

Post #7388923

Diamond:Sent you a Dg email.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

December 22, 2009
12:12 AM

Post #7389028

Lynn ... you are gonna be in another swap??

one is enough for me... but then you have a HUGE yard.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

December 22, 2009
3:55 AM

Post #7389657

Skimper I didn't get your dmail. Can you send it again?
skimper
Greenwich, OH

December 22, 2009
4:22 AM

Post #7389723

Diamond:sent DG email.
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

December 22, 2009
5:23 AM

Post #7389854

Tcs, it is just a simple get together ofa few of us local DGers, mainly who came to our house for the Roundup. We are going to meet at Pixydish's in January to share some seeds. None of them were in the Piggy Swap, so I am going to share my bounty with them.

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