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mbsimmons
San Benito, TX
November 4, 2009
05:10 PM Post #7241632
| SOLVED - thanks! This viney shrub is growing at the Alamo in San Antonio. Also see in further south in the Rio Grande Valley. The leaves and stem are thick and feel succulenty. Blooms spring, summer and fall. I've heard a common name (which I've forgotten). Anyone know what this is?
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Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
November 4, 2009
05:19 PM Post #7241651
| Looks like Odontonema cuspidatum, Fire-Spike. |
themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)
November 4, 2009
05:43 PM Post #7241710
| I agree. A really nice plant for fall blooms. Really brightens up a light shady area. |
mbsimmons
San Benito, TX
November 4, 2009
05:52 PM Post #7241728
| Thanks for the info - now I can learn a little about Firespike! |
Bignonia
Atenas
Costa Rica
November 4, 2009
06:51 PM Post #7241922
| Yes, I have it in my butterfly garden! |
themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)
November 4, 2009
07:36 PM Post #7242044
| MB, if you look at the top of your reply, you will see a question asking if this thread is solved...click on yes. that will mark the thread as solved. |
trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)
November 4, 2009
09:08 PM Post #7242414
| actually, i believe the name has changed to O. strictum. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1854/ |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
November 4, 2009
11:55 PM Post #7242965
| Odontonema strictum has been misapplied to Odontonema cuspidatum by the horticultural industry for many years.
True Odontonema strictum is a synonym of Odontonema tubiforme which has mauve to pink flowers, which are larger than those of O. cuspidatum.
Odontonema cuspidatum has scarlet red flowers, as seen in Mbsimmons' photo above.
The PF should separate the two species along those lines. |
trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)
November 5, 2009
05:01 PM Post #7244989
| dave, a reference please...(just for my own head). lol |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
November 5, 2009
05:09 PM Post #7245012
| Here you go Trackinsand!
Odontonema cuspidatum (C. Nees) Kuntze
Odontonema tubiforme (A. Bertoloni) Kuntze
Taken from:
Staples, George W. & Herbst, Derral R. 2005. "A Tropical Garden Flora". Bishop Museum Press. Honolulu, HI. p88. |
trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)
November 5, 2009
06:30 PM Post #7245278
| thanks, dave. i was going by Hortus Third and it was still called strictum back then. i do see that Hortus Third and the USDA Plant Database both show O. tubiforme (syn. strictum) as being red. i wonder if the book you site is taking their info from ICBN.
i'm not fixated on this, just wondering in my spare time! lol |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
November 5, 2009
06:39 PM Post #7245329
| They follow both the ICBN (International Code of Botanical Nomenclature) and ICNCP (International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants). |
trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)
November 5, 2009
07:17 PM Post #7245477
| thanks. i wish i understood all this naming better...and i wish i could navigate the ICBN site without feeling like a fool...lol
another question for you on the updated ICBN Vienna edition. when you search the plant index, do they only list changes made for that particular edition? |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
November 5, 2009
07:21 PM Post #7245494
| I'm not familiar with that. I know that the ICBN updates every six years, following an "international congress of botanists". |
trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)
November 5, 2009
07:57 PM Post #7245646
| i think the "latest edition" is named for the place they meet. in 1999, it was called the St. Louis edition and now it's the Vienna edition...but what you're saying is probably that the list is only updates, not the entire plant world. |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
November 5, 2009
08:11 PM Post #7245690
| Yes, and they only provide guidelines for naming, rather than a strict set of rules. |
trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)
November 5, 2009
09:09 PM Post #7245906
| as much as i would love to keep asking questions for a week, this isn't the forum for it, so i'll close now, with thanks...
debi |
Metrosideros
Keaau, HI
November 5, 2009
09:16 PM Post #7245937
| E komo mai Debi!
Aloha, Dave |
