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cooksterann
Richmond, MI
(Zone 5a)

November 07, 2009
08:00 PM

Post #7251483

my sisters cat have fleas and she cannt get them under control collars flea powders. boming the house aint working we dont have them on us, i thought you could sprinkle some kind of cooking spice on the cats help.
Heavinscent
South West, LA
(Zone 9a)

November 07, 2009
08:08 PM

Post #7251515

Frontline and Advantage work great for me.
Catscan
Lodi
United States

November 07, 2009
08:30 PM

Post #7251556

Frontline and Advantage work well since the prevent the fleas from successfully reproducing...so you aren't constantly being re-infested.

They are expensive--ask your vet what the right dosage for a cat is and if it is safe to use the dog formulation. I think it may be since the active ingredient is the same...

With dogs you can buy the "big dog" pack--120 lbs and up--and then use a syringe to use the correct dose in ml for your animal"s weight. The big dog packs cost the same as the toy dogs--so you get many more doses for the same money. It is what most dog breeders do.

You can go on-line and get the right dose for your dog's weight.

This is what my vet told us to do because we have 5 dogs...but I would definitely check with a vet to see if it is safe to use the dog formula on cats---it usually isn't with pesticides, but I think it might be with the active ingredients in Frontline and Advantage. Oddly I've heard cats need higher doses per weight than dogs.

Also make sure if the vet is talking about Frontline or Frontline Plus...they are different.
MsKatt
Mid-Michigan, MI
(Zone 5b)

November 08, 2009
09:44 AM

Post #7252696

*edited to remove my stupidity*

This message was edited Nov 8, 2009 10:04 AM
catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

November 08, 2009
10:39 AM

Post #7252802

MsKatt, I'm very glad that none of your animals suffered any adverse effects from this regimen, and that it worked for you. This post is in no way directed at you, and I understand that everyone has the right to choose the methods they find best.

I'll qualify right now, this is a VERY hot button for me. I've worked with rescue cats for over 30 years, and as a Vet tech as well. I have to put in a VERY strong plea that no-one take the chance of using this kind of flea eradication program without understanding the possible tragic results.

First, pesticides should NEVER be "layered". In other words, if you use a spray or powder on an animal, that's all you can use for a specific period of time. You don't add another pesticide (in this case, OTC "drops"), it's way too much. Powder on furniture and carpets adds to the problem, especially if not vacuumed up before the pets are re-introduced. Both cats and dogs lick their feet and paws, and thereby ingest even MORE toxins.

Unless a flea "drop" contains the same active ingredients as Advantage (Imidacloprid) or Frontline (Fipronil) you are taking a major chance of adverse effects. Even these are not without risk to certain animals. Those OTC meds by such as Hartz (shudder) and Sargent contain things that are very potentially damaging to pets, especially cats. Here's one DGers story;'

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/896653/


There was an excellent discussion about this on the "pets" forum last year. I don't know how to link to it, but if you search for "Flea and Tick Stuff" in the Pets Forum you'll find a very good (and very long) discussion of the whole topic, including input from Veterinarians.

I haven't had much luck with Frontline on cats, so I use Advantage. Only the simple form of Advantage should be used, not the offshoots like Advantix.. The largest dog size Advantage (blue box, each tube containing 4 mls of product) can be used to treat 10 cats. I simply use .4 mls/ccs per adult cat, but the actual breakdown is .05 mls/ccs per pound.

No pesticide is completely safe, but we have the option of using the safest possible methods. I can't imagine that using the whole shebang of powders, sprays and drops cost less than using Advantage.

And consider the possible price to our human children (toxic is toxic) our pets, and all the members of the family. They trust us to take care of them.

Margo
MsKatt
Mid-Michigan, MI
(Zone 5b)

November 08, 2009
11:05 AM

Post #7252854

Problem solved.
greykyttyn
Joplin, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 09, 2009
10:17 AM

Post #7255650

the large dog dose does work for cats. I buy it since i have 9 cats. I can't afford flea meds any other way. Just incase you haven't found that out yet. :) I have a super sweet vet who suggested it to me when he saw what i was spending on flea meds.
Catscan
Lodi
United States

November 09, 2009
10:43 AM

Post #7255744

Hey, greykyttyn--how much is the dose for cats?

(I mean the amount in mls--not $s:0))

This message was edited Nov 9, 2009 10:45 AM
porkpal
Richmond, TX

November 09, 2009
10:46 AM

Post #7255753

Check catmad's post above, the dose is included.
Catscan
Lodi
United States

November 09, 2009
10:52 AM

Post #7255774

Hey--porkpal! Just concerned that no one thinks you can use the "large dog" dose on a cat. That would be bad.

So it is: "0.4 mls/ccs per adult cat, but the actual breakdown is .05 mls/ccs per pound. " Right?
porkpal
Richmond, TX

November 09, 2009
10:59 AM

Post #7255803

Yep.That's what we do too. Saves a lot. But it is only valid for Advantage; don't try it with any of the others.
greykyttyn
Joplin, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 09, 2009
12:57 PM

Post #7256213

I use Frontline plus. .5cc for cats.
greykyttyn
Joplin, MO
(Zone 6b)

November 09, 2009
01:07 PM

Post #7256255

sorry.. boss walked in.. had to hit send before i got everything posted.

Frontline Plus

They gave me a syringe

green tube

Cats 0.5CC (all cats, mine range from 4 lbs to 12 lbs)

Dogs 0-22#'s 0.7CC

i did 9 cats, 1 dog & have enough left for at least 1 more cat. cost a fraction of what i was paying before. I don't use Advantage bc one of my cats is allergic to it & the other flea meds u get from the vet. Frontline is all i ever use. My brother uses Advantage & Revolution & likes both. I just dont' want to try & figure out what the older cat is allergic to since i know she can use frontline.

now silly question.. Can Chickens get fleas? I know they get mites & such.. but do they get fleas?
catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

November 10, 2009
10:22 AM

Post #7259589

Frontline and Advantage are pretty much interchangeable dose wise, I use the .4 mls because it gets me 10 doses per vial, and I'm cheap. I have the remnants of a cat rescue, and so, many cats (and 4 dogs). I use Advantage simply because it works better for me. Frontline works on the dogs (and they have more problems with ticks, so that's a consideration), but not so much for the cats. Again, these are the basic formulas of Advantage and Frontline. I think Frontline Plus is acceptable, but because I'm not sure, and don't have the info in front of me, I advise caution.

Revolution is different, and requires more accurate calculation, as the dog and cat versions are different. I never had much luck with it, so I don't even think about it anymore.

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