Australian Gardening: Brugmansia: Old Melbourne White

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Author Content cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:16 AM Post #7259003 Finally, the cutting from my parents' plant has flowered. This is how the blooms looked this morning. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:16 AM Post #7259004 Here's a closeup of one of the green (immature) blooms. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:17 AM Post #7259005 Here's the same bloom, from below. Yes, it *is* a double. How could I have forgotten that! This message was edited Nov 10, 2009 4:18 PM Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:20 AM Post #7259010 Note the large lower leaves. This is a brug that prefers a shady spot. Mine is growing under the shade of an apricot versicolor brug; my parents' plant grows up against a fence, facing *south*, pretty much in shade most of the day. Yet it flowers year-round. This message was edited Nov 10, 2009 4:20 PM Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:23 AM Post #7259016 Here are the flowers this afternoon, only a short while ago. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:23 AM Post #7259019 Here's a closeup of a flower. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:24 AM Post #7259021 Here's a view straight up the skirt. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:25 AM Post #7259022 Here's a view from the side. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:26 AM Post #7259027 Another view looking upwards. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:27 AM Post #7259029 Finally, a upward-looking view of several flowers. So, is this Old Melbourne White a Knightii after all? cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:28 AM Post #7259031 Oops, here's the pic: Click the image for an enlarged view. ctmorris barmera Australia November 10, 2009 02:44 AM Post #7259040 I don't know what it is but it sure is pretty. Is this the double white that you sent me Cestrum? If so I'll be most pleased. Thank you. Colleen cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 02:47 AM Post #7259042 That's it, so you've got a double white. Now we just have to establish if it's a Knightii. WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 10, 2009 02:51 AM Post #7259045 Ah Chrissy, your enthusiasm is a treat! A big smile here. :)))) Love it! I can picture "Alphonse" as the "Prince" surrounded by a fluttering flock of admirers in diaphanous tutus in your ballet... ... ... Poor "Old Double White" (B. knightii) would have to give way in the pack of hopeful Divas, for fear of being tagged a "Cougar"! :)))))))... ... ... Or might she rise again as the "Monarch" of breeding? "She" is elegant, most refined and knows very well when it is time to come into the lamplight... ... ... Too many lovely "young" ladies on the stage now to compete! ... ... ... Ah, but the Dowager has many pearls not yet revealed! ;) Cestrum, your pix are wonderful! WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 10, 2009 03:06 AM Post #7259050 Cestrum, please forgive the cross over in "Threads". The "Old Double White" is a wonderful plant. Mysterious. Budgieman Sydney Australia November 10, 2009 03:28 AM Post #7259057 Here it is! My first. The cigars and port are happening. Cream the first day turning pink the following. The label just listed it as a 'cultivar'? Cheers Steve Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 03:36 AM Post #7259062 Wax lyrical, folks. We're all brug lovers here, all in the grip of brug mania lol Forgot to say that my plant has a strong fragrance, what I call typical brugmansia scent (probably because it's the first brugmansia I ever saw or smelled). I've said it elsewhere but it's worth repeating: this was the only brugmansia I saw for years in Melbourne and I suspect that, because none that I saw ever set seed, including my parents', they could all be clones. ctmorris barmera Australia November 10, 2009 03:50 AM Post #7259067 I think yopu have a Frosty Pink Steve. Colleen WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 10, 2009 05:04 AM Post #7259093 Cestrum, you have gone to a lot of trouble to photograph and present your old double white from Melbourne. Not only have you presented that information, but have opened a new thread to do so. My apologies for taking hold of the "verbal images" set in the Brug forum and leading them here. Please put it down to "Brug-mania". :) B. knightii is such a wonderful old thing in her / his forms. A wonderful old plant with a history yet to be told. 77sunset Merino Australia November 10, 2009 04:53 PM Post #7260774 Cestrum, she is lovely. I am waiting for my Portland DW to grow so I can see if it is the same as yours. Certainly an asset to the garden among the more fancied ones. Your photos are lovely. Jean. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 10, 2009 05:18 PM Post #7260843 It's fantastic cestrum ...I would say that it is the same as mine from wayne ...don't you love it? Boy you sure are in for a treat with some of the other brugs though ...some have a richer scent, though this is lovely ... So cheers to Old Melbourne Double White ... And to our Old Sydney Double White ... Click the image for an enlarged view. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 10, 2009 05:27 PM Post #7260863 Applause ...encore ...encore The grande dame of The Brug world! cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 05:38 PM Post #7260887 OK, so we're agreed that this is a Knightii? I can call it that now? And everyone who has received a cutting from me can call it that? Or is there some purpose in continuing to call it Old Melbourne White? (If so, shouldn't it be Old Melbourne Double White?) Wayne, it was no trouble: the flowers were there and the digital camera makes it all so easy. Besides, I wanted a record for myself because, despite this growing in my parents' garden for what must now be two decades, I could not find a photo of the flower. Chrissy, three things: (1) We've yet to see if the 'Ipswich Double White' cutting I sent you is the same as this one; (2) yep, yours/Wayne's looks like mine; (3) 'some have a richer scent'--which ones in particular are you referring to? You can't leave me dangling like that! chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 10, 2009 06:30 PM Post #7261050 I think that so very many have a stronger scent ... aureas for one ...then the ones that smell like lemon ...minty zesty ones ...and the one I know you will adore *arborea.* As you build your Brug garden you will find out for yourself. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 10, 2009 06:37 PM Post #7261077 You know after thinking about it ... one of the best is good old suavoelens ...species, it's the first one I ever sniffed and it is still way up on the top of the list ...very hard to beat on a warm summer night. I will send you bits of heavily scented ones for your new garden when you are ready, I know you love the fragrances. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 06:38 PM Post #7261081 I can't wait to smell the arborea for myself but I still reckon my old white smells pretty good ... has the advantage of nostalgia, being my first-ever brug after all ... cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 06:40 PM Post #7261086 Caught in the cross-post again! Agree with you about the suaveolens: that strong Oriental-lily perfume is superb and probably out-perfumes all others. But the old white has nostalgia value for me, as your Frosty Pink has for you ... chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 10, 2009 07:06 PM Post #7261155 The white Suaveolens is very special to me ...had it for over 30 years. I had never seen a Brugmansia as a child. I saw one (in the 70's) trained as an umbrella form draping over a statue of "Our Lady" the beautiful big white trumpets hung down like a cutain above her head ...I didn't know what it was but I wanted one ...we found it at the RB Gardens, hubby nicked a bit for me when I wasn't looking because he knew how much I had wanted it. I was sure we would be arrested. Can you imagine my shock one night a few months later to find this amazing perfume greeting me as I opened the door ...it was this plant! I thought that it was one of the most exquisite scents that I have ever had the pleasure to enjoy. I was baffled when the scent was gone next day, only to be delighted when it returned again in the evening. Hybrids are wonderful but the golden oldies aren't golden oldies for nothing. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 07:22 PM Post #7261205 I think every garden should have a white suaveolens for the scent and an apricot versicolor for its multi-tiered levels of flowers and sheer toughness. (And it's scented too, just not as strongly.) Call that the basics. The rest is then pure indulgence :-) MyaC Magnetic Island Australia (Zone 11) November 10, 2009 07:56 PM Post #7261328 this is my double white...received from a friend in Melbourne... Click the image for an enlarged view. Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 10, 2009 10:06 PM Post #7261771 They look great! Actually suaveolens is THE old white! It was well established in Sydney by 1834. IMO the various old white doubles should collectively be called B. 'Knightii'. All of Waynes are starting to flower here and there seem to be a few VERY slightly different clones. 'Knightii seems to have got here in the 1850's. I agree, Brian's pink one looks like 'Frosty Pink'. We seem to have the authentic one in Australia. There are many inferior look-alikes in the US masquerading as FP (plus the real one, which is a US cv). cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 10, 2009 10:13 PM Post #7261798 I'm glad we've sorted that out; I'll call mine Knightii from now on. Everyone who has received a cutting of Old Melbourne White from me, you now officially have a Brugmansia Knightii. (Yours looks good too, Mya. I take it the possums don't like brugs lol) I've been thinking about why I didn't remember my parents' plant as being a double, and have decided it's because the skirt doesn't drop. It's really only when you view it from underneath that you see that second set of ruffles. Well, that's my excuse! Steve, looks like you got the real deal with Frosty Pink: how wonderful for your first flowering brug. Stake Barmera Australia November 10, 2009 10:27 PM Post #7261859 I haven't got any flowers Alistair so the Frosty Pink must be Budgieman's. Brian chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 11, 2009 12:34 AM Post #7262218 I think it's just brilliant that Knightii is all around Australia ...so it's Knightii from now on ...here in my garden there will be wayne's Knightii and cestrum's Knightii. The "other Frosty Pink" has a couple of green tendrils poking out so tomorrow or next day perhaps another one id'ed. Mya yours is looking fine even in the tropics ...no wonder it is a great surviver ...it can live any where! and still look beautiful. Many thanks to Alistair for the correct ID ...wonderful news for all of us. Click the image for an enlarged view. Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 11, 2009 03:28 AM Post #7262527 Sorry Brian/Steve!!! :) cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 11, 2009 04:26 AM Post #7262560 As I've opened a thread specifically for it, here are more pics of my Knightii, in closeup. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 11, 2009 04:27 AM Post #7262562 Another closeup. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 11, 2009 04:28 AM Post #7262565 And my final shot, I promise! Click the image for an enlarged view. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 11, 2009 06:59 AM Post #7262628 You can never have enough shots of that beautiful thing ...gosh I can't imagine having it so big you could stand under it and look up ...(my favourite thing to do! I can hardly wait ...My cestrum Knightii will go into the ground for just that purpose My wayne Knightii will stay near the others for *blush* stud activities. . Keep them coming. Roll up, roll up, all the Australian Knightii ...how lucky are we. Mind you I think it is a bit sad that our "bride Angel" has a name like Knightii ...never mind I will think of it as her married name. Stake Barmera Australia November 11, 2009 07:54 AM Post #7262663 The way you are thinking Chrissy that is probably nightie. Brian cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 11, 2009 08:26 PM Post #7265235 Actually, I crouched down to take the pic. The plant's only 4ft or 5ft tall, depending on whether you measure the large self-watering pot it's growing in. My parents' plant is big enough to stand under. Here's a pic showing my plant. Click the image for an enlarged view. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 11, 2009 08:30 PM Post #7265252 Ha ha ha ...croucher here too but it's growing very quickly ...I know wayne's tree was pretty big. It's a lovely thing ...snowy white, looking so delicate. ctmorris barmera Australia November 11, 2009 08:54 PM Post #7265343 Myac re your post yesterday at 9.26am. When I enlarged your pic I thought that you may have 2 spotted mite trouble on your brugs too. All I did was gave mine a spray with watered down Palmolive dishwashing liquid and it seemed to do the trick. Colleen This message was edited Nov 12, 2009 10:43 AM cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 11, 2009 09:20 PM Post #7265414 No deception intended; I was just trying to get a good pic of the flower from beneath :-) Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 11, 2009 09:28 PM Post #7265427 This is 'Tantra' ('Knightii' x aurea). A really excellent white. Although it is son of Knightii it never has double flowers: most are single and a few have the odd little bit of extra corolla stuck to the stamens Click the image for an enlarged view. Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 11, 2009 09:35 PM Post #7265445 This is 'Tantra' x aurea (probably 'Goldenes Kornett'). I have had this plant for three years, lost under a whole lot of others which I tossed this winter, and it has suddenly flowered out of the blue. Interesting that the fully double characteristic has re-emerged. The flowers are tiny: about 5" long, but really cute I think. Will see if it turns out to be a heavy flowerer... The plant is very compact but seems robust.. Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 11, 2009 09:38 PM Post #7265453 That is cute! I was going to ask if you planned to breed further from Tantra--is another double yellow on the cards, do you think, or are you after something else? Edited to say: from that angle it looks a bit like a datura ... This message was edited Nov 12, 2009 11:38 AM Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 11, 2009 09:41 PM Post #7265464 And this is another from the same cross, but a HUGE plant with single white horizontal flowers carried all the way along the main branches.. Click the image for an enlarged view. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 11, 2009 09:57 PM Post #7265512 Wow love Tantra ...pristine! but gosh that little yellow is a darling thing ...love that! what a terrific surprise for you! chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 13, 2009 06:06 PM Post #7271267 waynes Knightii flowering it's head off laughing at the heat Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 13, 2009 06:23 PM Post #7271307 Tough, aren't they? Mind you, mine is growing in a shady spot because this one seems to prefer more shade. I've yanked out the main Golden Butter brug and manured and mulched the bed (which faces south and is ideal for the Knightii, but really too shaded to get good flowers from this sun-loving aurea) with the idea of planting a Knightii in it. Not this one, because it seems to happy where it is, but one of my Ipswich Double White cuttings ... which is almost certainly another Knightii. I'm counting on it! chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 13, 2009 09:52 PM Post #7271977 That one is in 3/4 day sun, amazing! Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 14, 2009 05:59 AM Post #7272773 This is a Knightii I got from Queensland a couple of years ago. Its the best flowerer (here) but a bit virus-sensitive (blotchy leaves in winter but fine now). Lower right are some branches another clone, from Denise Horschner, which flowers a fraction afterwards. It is completely virus tolerant. This message was edited Nov 14, 2009 9:02 PM Click the image for an enlarged view. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 14, 2009 07:05 AM Post #7272823 cestrum would that be the QLD one alistair is talking about? Words fail me at that glorious explosion of that Knightii there Alistair. WOW! cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 14, 2009 07:28 AM Post #7272845 Perhaps? All I know is that it's a 'double white' and was given to me by a local ... chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 14, 2009 07:35 AM Post #7272852 isn't this fun ? are you going to have hedges like that? cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 14, 2009 05:47 PM Post #7274200 No room for it here. Besides, I *love* the look of standards. Should be more than possible at your place, though. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 14, 2009 06:47 PM Post #7274361 I will need the back paddock for that ...don't know, I could be tied up with caring for someone again ...that chews up a lot of time (last time was 12 years of every two hours day and night) but people come before plants. One day at a time for now. For now pots are good with some of the favourites going into the ground. How interesting about the water being hard and soft ...the recipe given out in the USA has epsom salts in it ...does that harden the water? I thought it was a softener ...never really thought about it before. Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 14, 2009 06:54 PM Post #7274378 Epsom salts adds a boost of soluble magnesium, an element in chlorophyll. It results in more chlorophyll and hence darker green leaves. Its good if there is a magnesium deficiency, or "cosmetically" if you want darker leaf colour. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 14, 2009 07:07 PM Post #7274416 That's interesting ..they say the recipe strengthens the colours in the blooms too.I tread wearily and really dilute anything I use as specially in hot temps ...easing right off in mid autumn to "toughen" the plants up in case of frosts. I am not crazy about pushing leaves as I think it invites the munchers to dine on lushness. I do this because I don't use chemical sprays. For me it's about manures, blood and bone ...fish emulsion ...stuff like that. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 14, 2009 07:22 PM Post #7274477 Alistair pointed out in the other thread that he believes all the brug doubles are descended from Knightii. Chrissy, I think you said that you've managed to get some seedpods on your Knightii? chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 14, 2009 07:31 PM Post #7274516 I did but they both dropped off in the big heat ...I won't try again until we have some mild Autumn temps (the best times) I was being too clever because I know that heat causes a lot of trouble with crossing things ...the good news is you can get pods on it ...the bad news is we must wait for a few months now. The pods got to 3" and had little thingys in them ...I think it was heat that stopped them. Just guessing by experience though. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 14, 2009 09:08 PM Post #7274815 Perhaps there'd be a better chance in using the pollen from Knightii on other brugs, rather than pollinating the Knightii flowers? At least, until autumn ... I'm also wondering if the pollen from Knightii could be collected now, as it flowers thru spring and summer, and stored until more favourable pollinating conditions in autumn? Or does the heat affect the pollen too, making it less fertile? This message was edited Nov 15, 2009 11:18 AM WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 17, 2009 03:19 PM Post #7283197 This pic shows the trunk of our B. knightii here. It measures 8" (20mm) across. The following pic shows the Click the image for an enlarged view. WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 17, 2009 03:20 PM Post #7283198 Blooms... Click the image for an enlarged view. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 17, 2009 04:44 PM Post #7283487 You can collect and freeze the pollen ...but I think this plant seems to be in almost constant flushes. That is such a stunning plant wayne ...I just love it! even if it is a bit shy about being a parent (it is said). As far as I can tell the growing pods were fine until the big hot winds and dust storms trashed them. I believe it's just much much easier to pollinate when the weather is much milder. Pollinate in the cool hours of the mornings and evenings. Pollination in the shadier part of the plant is possible in warmer weather but it struggles and the seed pod grows very slowly in the heat. The ones done in milder conditions grow very quickly ...you can see they are much happier. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 17, 2009 06:56 PM Post #7283919 Wayne, I doubt that you had to crouch to get a photo of the Knightii skirts :-) Freezing the pollen? Something new to try ... chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 17, 2009 07:19 PM Post #7284005 In a chinese food container. :) I did, but hubby took it out while fishing around for his Ice Cream ...left it out on the sink because he thought it was empty ...I didn't find it until the next day so I threw it out. So I can't really speak from personal experience ...as my pollen sticks were mush. WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 18, 2009 01:19 AM Post #7285299 You are right Cestrum, it is quite a tree. Hot here, all plants were irrigated last night. I am home and have just come in from a walk around the garden. B.knightii is as happy as can be, in full bloom without wilt! Also the old apricot and it's white mate... ... ... Alistair, is it possible to identify this plant? Pix will follow. I am amazed at the tenacity of B. knightii, old apricot and the white. All wonderfully snubbing the heat. I might add, my own CR is hanging in there (potted). A little "tired" perhaps, but certainly not a "wall flower"! He would be ready should the right partner ask for a quick two step around the garden! LOL My thoughts are (probably reinventing the wheel :)))))) that the use of the above plants in breeding should be made here in Australia. Sturdy old tried and true species crossed with cultivated varieties. I look at the wonderful plant 'Lipstick' and imagine a cross with B. knightii. What a dream. The pix following are of a plant I found growing virtually in concrete! I sent you a cutting Chrissy. How is it going? Why I ask is that my plant here is in shade due to space restrictions. Meanwhile at our campus at Normanhurst, I bunged in a cutting that is now in full bloom! Very poor soil, no irrigation no fert. However prolific in bloom with buds forming for a second flush! Nearby are BF, RHP and PP looking like they need the Last Rites!!!! Sorry Cestrum for "high jacking" your thread. Not indented, one thought lead to another. :)) Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 18, 2009 01:24 AM Post #7285310 I think we'll all be madly pollinating our Knightii brugs this year, Wayne :-) Talk about familiarity breeding contempt! Because it was the only brug I was familiar with for years, it never occurred to me to get a cutting of it until this year ... PS What's the old white--the white suaveolens? Or something else? chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 18, 2009 01:27 AM Post #7285319 No blooms yet the plant is doing well ...I think the ones in the sun are blooming much earlier than the ones in the shade. I have many buds on lots of plants hopefully the sun won't boil them ...is that the single Candida ? WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 18, 2009 02:29 AM Post #7285476 I have no idea what sp this plant is. Please ID Alistair. WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 18, 2009 02:34 AM Post #7285480 * Click the image for an enlarged view. WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 18, 2009 02:37 AM Post #7285485 # Click the image for an enlarged view. Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 18, 2009 03:09 AM Post #7285517 It looks like the white one from the Domain. I'm not sure what it is... It probably needs to be given a cultivar name. I have used it in a few crosses and it passes on its broad-mite resistance, which is a goood thing! Click the image for an enlarged view. WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 18, 2009 02:33 PM Post #7286753 Thanks Alistair. I know the plant you mean from the Domain. It grows behind the Robbie Burns statue on Art Gallery Road. Brugmansia versicolor http://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/welcome_to_bgt/royal_botanic_ga... This plant I found growing at Top Ryde in builders rubble. Amazing strength. The pest resistance and holding quality in heat are great value. Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 18, 2009 03:38 PM Post #7286945 yes, but it is not (quite) B. versicolor. I don't know what it is. Its not (quite) B. x candida either... The flower is a very unusual shape with that gradual transition from the corolla neck to the skirt.. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 18, 2009 06:34 PM Post #7287478 That tree is amazing--kudos to the gardener who trained it like that! I still don't know the difference between the old Sydney apricot and an apricot versicolor. My nursery-bought plant (the only time I saw a brug in a retail nursery) was labelled a versicolor, but that proves nothing--so many brugs are mislabelled/misidentified. Including, apparently, that one at the botanic gardens. This message was edited Nov 19, 2009 8:36 AM Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 18, 2009 07:17 PM Post #7287623 I seem to have deleted my pics of a proper apricot versicolor, but 'Ecuador Pink' will do (foreground in the pic)! The distinguishing flower character is that the corolla neck (the narrowest bit of the corolla tube) extends beyond the mouth of the calyx, which is slit on one side. The "old apricot" (back left in the pic) has the calyx slightly exceeding the corolla neck. This message was edited Nov 19, 2009 10:18 AM Click the image for an enlarged view. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 18, 2009 07:31 PM Post #7287677 Apricot versicolor *sorry* edited to say peach versicolor though some say it's the same thing. This message was edited Nov 19, 2009 10:36 AM Click the image for an enlarged view. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 18, 2009 07:34 PM Post #7287687 Old Sydney Apricot Click the image for an enlarged view. cestrum_SEQ West of Brisbane Australia November 18, 2009 07:59 PM Post #7287786 OK, so mine is definitely Old Sydney Apricot. Click the image for an enlarged view. Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 18, 2009 11:25 PM Post #7288435 Chrissy did that peach versicolor come from me?? chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 18, 2009 11:41 PM Post #7288476 Yes Alistair. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 18, 2009 11:47 PM Post #7288487 * Click the image for an enlarged view. WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 19, 2009 12:22 AM Post #7288588 Thanks so much for the above information. I am looking so forward to your book Alistair. So many of these mysteries will be cleared up. Chrissy, you sent the peach versicolor to me ages back. It is still in an 8" pot. That old white one I found growing at Top Ryde (builders site) I sent to you. I am not sure that it is exactly the same colour, after reading Alistair's description as the one at the Domain. Hopefully on Saturday morning, I can drive up to Normanhurst where I planted it and take some pix. I am sure it is quite white rather than a subtle blend. Alistair, I remember reading on your MM site of an oldie you found growing in deplorable conditions (concrete)! Is this the same plant as that at the Domain? Meanwhile, darn hot here. I have not gone out into the garden as yet, however I can see from my desk a few Brugs in bloom resembling Salvador Dali's "The Persistence of Memory" LOL :(((((( I shall explore later... ... ... *Cestrum; it would seem so.* Click the image for an enlarged view. chrissy100 Sydney Australia November 19, 2009 12:31 AM Post #7288615 ha ha ha you are so funny ...sad and sorry sight out there worse to come over the weekend I am afraid,the thought of 28c overnight fills me with dread. We get blackouts as all the homes turn their air conditioners on. You called the cutting you sent me a "white" so I assume it will be a white. I found some dropped buds (old sydney apricot )on the ground this morning so it may be a while ...before we can show anything decent.As I have mentioned before in these temps overseas they just try to keep the brug hybrids alive. WayneCarter NW Sydney NSW Australia November 19, 2009 02:01 AM Post #7288844 Thanks Chrissy. All is OK here so I will move over from this thread created by Cestrum to the main Brug forum. Apologies Cestrum. Please let us keep this thread open to Brugmansia knightii only. Too confusing having "Bi-lingual chat rooms"! :)) Mea culpa! :))) Alistair Nowra, NSW, Australia (Zone 9b) November 19, 2009 05:56 AM Post #7289017 OK, well that's true versicolor Chrissy OK so its off topic. I need a berocca :)

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