Ok, I admit, I have never tried these, so ok, tell me about them, show me the bloomers, bout the earliest thing to bloom in my zone is a snowdrop long about March and if I am realllly lucky the end of Feb.
Whats their care, whats their pests? Where do they like to grow? I know absolutely NOTHING about these plants other than they are really kind of pretty!
Would they make for a houseplant? (See, I told you, I knew nothing! NOTHING!)
I'd call them easy and pretty foolproof, but they do take a long time to get to flowering size - maybe 3rd year. A good shade plant. I've heard that seeds don't have a long shelf-life, but plants will self-seed in multitudes, and baby plants will most generally start right under the mother plant. I usually move them when they're 1-2 inches tall. They ARE one of the earliest bloomers.
Yup,self sewn seedling are what those babies in the trays are.
I had a clump of the white about 8-10 yrs old that look spectacular this year but I made the mistake of letting my garden club come in and dig some perennials that desperately needed thinning. I told them...even pulled back the leave on the mother palnt to show them the seedlings and said"dig up as many seedlings as you want" I didn't know until the next day,they dug up about 2/3 of the mother plant. Never again will I let anyone in my gardens w/ a shovel unsupervised. I have a 1 1/2 acres of yard and I was on the other side of the house w/ part of the group...ARGH!...and I grew it form seed...ARGH AGAIN!
I definitely understand that AARGH. You were so generous and they were so thoughtless. Well I guess they'll learn their lesson by not being invited back unsupervised. Too bad I'm not nearby. I'm very good at thinning (licks drool from corners of mouth)!
Some japanese painted ferns"Ursla's Red"and "Burgundy Bliss" went missing too and clump of dwarf varieigated miscanthus"Morning Light" that would probably be sold as a 10 gallon in the nursery all but a small clump you could circle w/your thumb and forefinger was dug up. Now mind you I'm not saying they were being devious as I did say dig out as much ostrich fern as you want and it was growing close to JPF and there was an all green miscanthus I told them to take and a lot of them are new gardeners so they probably just didn't know the difference between one or the other...but still...Never again!
Learned that lesson long time ago. sometimes if you dont draw them a picture or hover over them.. well the big ARRRGH happens.
I figure if I gotta supervise them so close, then I may as well do it my self.
Well, those are nice looking P! So is now the best time to plant them in the garden or what? I have a spot in the woods I can try them. But I think I best not plant them by Goliath! Course Goliath might be my cure all to the party wanting to dig them up. Goliath is my giantuous Poison Ivy plant. I keep him around for grins. Dang plant gotta be 50 years old, least 35-40 foot tall if not a day or as old as that old oak hes leaching off of.
They'll bloom around Christmas into the new year but it'll be late May-early June before seeds are ripe for the picking but I usually just let them drop then dig up seedlings later when they have about 6 true leaves. There evergreen and very cold hardy so you wouldn't ahve to pamper them.
Seedlings in picture are '07 seeds taht self sewed. I didn't even to bother to pick '09 seeds so I probably have a bunch of seedlings rght now.
Well,that's what I get for trying to get out of some digging but it won't happen again.
Like the foliage on the h.foetidus.I'm big into foliage so a plant has more than one feature to offer in the landscape. I'd like some of the ones with silver foliage and the Gold Bullion if I thought it would do well in my zone. I've read some accounts that it doesn't like our heat and humidity.
My foetidus keeps rotting - I think it needs lighter soil and more sun, maybe than what I typically have. Corsican hellebores can take full sun at my place (PNW full sun isn't as harsh as some areas), and seem to be pretty tough.
Last year I saw some mature stands of white, pink, and green hellebores in a garden and was really taken by them. I ordered some online, which seemed pricy at $50 for three 4" pots. They certainly didn't flower in 2009, but the deer didn't bother them, and I did notice several weeks ago that they looked like they had settled in nicely. I hope they flower in 2010. The pictures here remind me why I wanted some. Pam
The new cultivars can be pricey. But now you can find them at places like Home Depot and Lowe's. And they aren't that hard to germinate if you have nice, cool soil and a cold period. Looking forward to seeing your pictures!
Well, I have managed to kill off a couple of these so I guess I need to figure out what I'm doing wrong...they haven't been 'easy' for me. Mine were potted in MG potting mix and kept in a partial sun location on my covered patio. I thought maybe I'd overwatered but if water and cold don't bother them any idea what I'm doing wrong? Too much sun? I have a few new ones that I just got and I'd like to avoid making the same mistakes. Is there a chance the foliage just died back to the root ball and it will come back or should I just pull the whole thing up?
I have several varieities, including the Kingston cardinal. None of mine ever bloom before March. There are so many different varieities of Hellebores, that there are surely many to fit everyone's different situation.
Pine Knot Farms sets up a triple booth every year here at the Hardy Plant Society's annual sale. They bring only Hellebores to the sale, a few hundred varieties. The booth is just about the most popular one at the show, always packed 4 and 5 people deep.
Alsip, huh? They do tend to be over-priced but do carry some of the newer, trendier plants. Usually, their plants are pretty healthy. For me, it's a local thing - IL and IN - unless there are more out there.
I'm patiently waiting for some 'Sunshine Selections' to reach blooming size. Got a good deal on them but am anxious to see what colors the flowers are. Not sure if they're far enough along to bloom this coming spring but certainly by the year after.
Like CindyMzone5 said, Alsip is a local thing.. Illinois, Indiana.. big outfit, lots of stuff, pretty pricey, but they also have some good deals too. The house plants actually are quite reasonable but then size too can be relative. You really cant bark too much about the quality as it is hard to find a "mangy" plant. They do very good maintenance on them for presentation. Im not gonna pay their prices on the perennials though. I will sooner start it by seed myself before paying that deep. And I do feel the annuals prices are a bit overboard too. But they do get some nice different plants unlike Lowes, Home Depot, K mart or those box places. To me the big box are the same old same old stuff everywhere. I like looking for the little mom and pops! They always have something there the boxes dont. (Mainly service, but the plants are different too) Just my opinion. I dont mind paying more when the service comes with it but yano I have been in some nurserys that well one for instance that well, they barked how much variety they had and this that and the other thing and I went in to get some plant advise and was flat out told well, I didnt buy it there and so they could not help me.. um, pardon me, I did not want any replacement, just advice and that was a real turn off. Guess given advice on care was not their virtue. Never went back.
bigred- yep - Barry Glick. I've always been intimidated by Hellebores and they cost a lot! Thought I'd try the 1 yo seedlings and see if I have the aptitude to grow them. Have H. orientalis from a gardening friend back in '94 that's never been moved from it's original spot by a concrete wall. It has multiplied slowly over the years and I moved about 18 seedlings this year from it.
BB - where's the rude garden center so I never go there? You're right - Alsip doesn't "do" mangy plants but I'll only buy there what I can't find elsewhere. Also agree about the big box stores but have gotten some nice bargains on $3 starter shrubs at Lowe's (Northern Lights azaleas, Pieris, etc).
I just emailed Barry's head...we already ya-ya at each other like it hasn't been 2 yrs since we talked...surprised he remembered me...offered me 6 acres of hellebores...LOL don't think I need that many.
I saw that "something"...aren't you sweet. I'm going to send you an early xmas present next week...or maybe it should be called a Turkeyday present.
Come to think of it, bigred, I haven't gotten an email from Barry in ages. I bought one of his bundles about 6 years ago. I think the hellebores were 1.00 each, and I had to get 100. Every single one of those thrived, and they were absolutely gorgeous. And back then hellebores were selling for big prices, like 20.00 a gallon for the un named ones. Thanks for mentioning Barry.
stormyla - Great choice! I've read that it's difficult to predict the flower colors until they actually bloom. I'm hoping that I'll be happy with my 'Sunshine' choice. Is it true that Hellebores like slightly alkaline soil? I've tried to keep mine in the vicinity of anything concrete. With the 18 or so seedlings that I also moved this year, I have plenty for the moment. Just hope I get some great colors from 'Sunshine'.
Regarding the previous experience with a smaller nursery, and the reluctance to give advice because the plant wasn't bought there: it's not the way I would have handled it if I were a nursery owner, and I certainly see the point, but did anyone see theirs?
----- I went in to get some plant advise and was flat out told well, I didn't buy it there and so they could not help me -----
I can only assume that said advice was for a plant from a big box store. As an independent nursery owner, it gives me great pleasure to support big box stores that are putting me out of business. I want to freely give away the only things that set me apart from the boxes, so customers can go and buy for cheap there, and come to me and find out how to grow them for free. It's a great business plan. See how well it is working? I am making money hand over fist.
Besides, I didn't pay to learn this knowledge I freely give out. It all came to me in a dream. I don't have a degree in horticulture and I've only been working in the nursery business for a few months. Surely it isn't worth anything. I don't know why people ask me these questions anyway. Doesn't everyone have these dreams?
Does anyone just walk into a lawyer's office, expect free unbiased advice, knowing that they will take it to some other lawyer who will then be paid? How about a free carpet measuring: companies don't freely give you that information so you can take it to a competitor. A landscape architect affiliated with a nursery will not just give his plan free to you so you can take it to a "cheaper" firm do the work, or do it yourself. This is normal daily workings of our society. How are these examples any different from horticultural advice? Just because plant enthusiasts tend to be more giving and less money hungry (or shall we say, oriented), does that mean we should take advantage of them?
There. I said it in a nutshell.
As I said, the original scenario is not the way I would have handled it, if I were the nursery operator, but
We are taking advantage of business owners when we expect advice, but do not patronize their business.
Leftwood, A point well made. However, I've also experienced the opposite, when shopping in the MOST expensive 2 local nurseries, I've not been able to get any advice, nor even the correct cultivar names.
But, there are two small local nuseries nearby where I do buy plants and many supplies that are always happy to give information and also to look it up. Consequently, I am a repeat customer there. These folks LOVE their business and really want to spread the joys of gardening. They are also willing to special order plants and shrubs.
As somebody who works for Nordstrom, I can only say that giving good service isn't only about the present, but is about the future. I know all sorts of service providers who give some information to the layperson for free. It's free advertising for them. I can tell you that if someone said to me that they couldn't help me because I didn't buy a plant there, I'd make sure I never went to their establishment again - more because I it felt like $$$ was more important to them than gardening and I wouldn't trust any advice from someone who was gardening from that perspective.
I might look for deals from the box stores, but when I need a "fix" and want to look for the most unique cultivars, that's not where I go. I see nurseries as a place to get what the box stores might be selling in 5 years down the road.
Stormyla - great feature on your camera. I don't think I'm familiar with that.
I can see buds on my Hellebores now. And my Hamamelis, as well. Yippee!!
Lucky you, Katie!! My two Hamamelis didn't survive their first winter. The wind here kills a lot of young trees and shrubs.
Heronswood's plants are very pricey and small, but they all thrive and do exceptionally well. It's always a great place to aquire the unusual.
Now there's a place that loves to talk plants.
We have two giant old expensive nurseries here that don't even want to discuss the plants you're considering buying from them. They become, for me, a good place to view plants that I'll purchase elsewhere, even through mail order.
Our local television station did an "On the spot" piece and had bought a shirt that was clearly marked "Target". They attempted to return it to a whole bunch of different retail stores (not Target). Nordstrom was the only one that took it back. Of course, Nordstrom got great PR out of it, plus kudos from the TV station, while at the same time the station made a point to denigrate all the other retail stores for not catering to the stupidity of the customer.
Sorry to mess up your thread. There are always two (or more) sides to an issue. Judgment is never genuine unless one considers all.
A little FREE HONEST information/advise goes a long way to building clientele whether you are a doctor, a lawyer, a carpet sales person or a landscaper or a PROFESSIONAL WHATEVER. And whats more,
the same HONEST information or advise given with a cheery smile will go even further. And personally I find it is the HONEST
professionals that will give more freely of themselves and of their service and they dont worry about being taken advantage of because THAT is what service is. THAT integrity is what is their business is
and that INTEGRITY is what GROWS their busines. And that is what keeps them in business.
I walked into that nursery KNOWING full well they knew how to grow those plants, after all, that was why I came there in the first place, because I KNEW they KNEW HOW. After all, they did sell them and grow them there too. But to say, BECAUSE I did not buy it from them
they could not help was out of line for such a place that prided themselves in advertiseing, um, hows that go... "Let US HELP YOU WITH ALLLLL your gardening needs." I guess, service, was not part of their picture in HELPING WITH ALL of your garden needs. But I guess you dont get that point.
So much for help, so much for INTEGRITY and so much for advertising. They threw it ALL out the window that day with me. GET MY POINT?
And hey, The minute you walk into any business whether you buy or not YOU ARE PATRONIZING them, even if it is for a brief minute. My time is more valuable than my money. So the patronage to them is my time. But then perhaps Leftwood, your time is of no value. Get my point?
Oh Leftwood, perhaps after the clerk blurted her rudeness I should have handled it this way, I should have runned right up to the counter, scarfed the first one I saw and then bought it. Then walked out the door and come back in and said.. now, what can you tell me about this plant?
DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK she would have had ANY ADVISE? OH, but you said, I did not buy it from you, now I did, now what can you tell me. Oh, I see where this is heading, I get it I get it, put a quarter in the clerk and she will tell me a story. Yeah right, like the ignorance of that day was gonna get any better. LOL! Get real!
Now, can we get back to showing off the hellebores? If Im going to acquire one, I want to know more about them, see more varieties than I have already and well, find out where to get them too.
STORYMYLA - THAT LAST PIC IS GORGEOUS! WHEN did you plant it..
Our management makes sure to circulate the letters from customers about the unique service stories they encounter at the various Nordstrom stores. The ongoing theme that I see is that the customer was out of his element and the situation was nearly out of control and the Nordstrom employee saved the day. We have lots sales people that make a very good living in part because they have a loyal clientele based on people who were won over by one of these situations. I love to read them.
Basically, the philosophy is that we focus on creating the legitimate exchanges/good customers/good service rather than focusing on avoiding the bad exchanges.
Last week I stopped at a local Nursery, well more of a greenhouse, that was once a real place to go, even for recreational purposes. They had a bunch of perennials out back for half price. I picked up 3 Red Lady Hellebores. All the rest of the lovely plants had been left out knocked over in the wind to dry out. What a shame.
The older gent who ran this once fabulous show place is now gone and his kids have let it run downhill. However, there were still some of the incredible enormous tropicals still there. I plan to go back with my camera next weekend to photo some of them while they are still alive.
I also want to show DSO one of their fabulous Golden Clivia that I would like for Christmas. While I was there, one of the nurserymen gave me 2 really nice cuttings from a colossal 720 degree Begonia. They didn't even have any plants potted up from it and there were hundreds of babies on it. So, I will go back to also get a lovely $85 Christmas gift.
Blossumbuddy, Sorry, didn't see your note down at the bottom of your post. I planted it in the spring of 08. Heronswood/Burpee Fordhook Farm has a Helleborus festival every April with a big Open house. They plant acres of Hellebores for this. They have Hellebores speakers and sell many plants.
Here's a photo of the Fordhook Farms, home of Burpee, owner of Heronswood. It's quite a different set up from the Heronswood on the West Coast. See the Hellebores down at the bottom??
They both grow here without any special care - no pest, no disease. I have them both in areas with morning sun. The lenten rose reseeds itself if you let the flowers ripen. H. foetidus must multiply easily too because I got a couple of seedlings from someone who was thinning out their plants. The plant shown is one year after planting. And the very best thing about these plants is that since they are early bloomers, they make great cut flowers at a time where there are very few flowers available. In my quest for year round flowers (in zone 9a anyway), they are a great contributor.
Ok, I missed it, we all got off on a tangent... are these deer treats? Or could they be used for naturalizers? I am assuming when you say bundles they come bare root? Could they mix and match in a bundle or do they have to be all the same and how big is a bundle? (Guess that would depend on the nursery selling... duh!)
Soils, those are very very lovely...
Ok, now on soil, whats their flavor.. remember mine is sand, for the most part very poor. Generally wet, but I do have some higher ground that is better and could ammend the soil if necessary, but need info. Shade, part or what?
I just went to Barry Glicks site. WOW! Eyepoppers! Is anyone at all concidering doing a co-op. His prices are reasonable, but I need an awful lot. When we left our house in July I was only able to save one plant from my garden. It was a hellebore of my mother's that gets dug up and carted with us where ever we go, I had to leave all my others behind. Here there is absolutely nothing so I have to start from scratch. Anyway, hope we're going to have a co-op.
stormyla - 'Red Lady' looks gorgeous. Are you still planting? You're a little warmer than me but I gave up about a month ago. Was I the only disillusioned gardener when Burpee purchased Heronswood? I look at their catalog to see what's new but way beyond my budget. Heard Ken Druse on his podcast talking about Klehm's Song Sparrow Nursery in WI - checked out their website but they're pricey too. Was hoping to find a Forestfarm of the midwest.
I'm still dancing around this offer on the 1000 bareroot. Can you still plant hellebore out this time of year? All my benches are full in the greenhouse and even in a 4 pot in a 15 ct. tray(calculaters not working)that's a LOT of trays but the price is just to tempting.
Cindy, I'm still planting bulbs and a few stray plants.
I don't order plants from Heronswood. They have 4 open houses a year, co-sponsored by the Nature Conservancy. The admission funds and a portion of the plant sales prices are benefiting the Conservancy. I buy their plants at these sales.
Cleaning out my seed frig and came across some mystery bulbs. The only thing they can be are jonquils since they don't smell like onions. It's been two years since I dug up and divided my jonquils and if these are some leftovers,they're in surprisenly good shape to have been out of the ground for 2yrs.
I have a patch apx.6ft x1ft of Tete(I never know how to spell this one) and Jetfire I need to dig up and divide...add that to the list of things to do before bad weather sets in...and probably won't get done because the "to do" list is humogus(can't spell that either)
bigred, I would think in your area you could still plant the hellebores out. They are quite hardy. The ones I got in the bundle I planted in 4" pots. Two years to bloom, but it was a beautiful assortment. Some of the yellows were spectacular, with red on the petals. Could you plant them in four inch pots and overwinter them somewhere outside? Like under some pine trees? That's where I do a lot of my overwintering of newly planted pots.
Hey RED, If yer tossing those mystery bulbs out...chuck those spring bulbs in the mail to me or put them 5 at a time in a gallon pot and dont worry about them. I will take all the dafs, jonqs and spring bulbs other than tulops that I can get! Lemme know he postage afore ya mail!
I know that I planted some H. Foetidus this year, but darned if I can figure out where. One of these days, after my beds stabilize, I will have to map the plantings. If you haven't looked at the Hellebores offered by Edelweiss Perennials, you should.
They have a number of their own offerrings. They also have a nice selection of some unusual plants and their plants are very large, healthy and reasonably priced. Their shipping charges are very reasonable too.
Cindy, I lost the plant tag long ago. Organization isn't one of my strengths.
I suspect it's the straight species, but not sure.
I also am embarassed to admit I don't do soil analysis. Not once.
I realize I may be evicted from DG for it...
I have lots of hellebores growing around my yard.
They don't seem fussy in the least.
My most exuberant h. foetidus is right by my house foundation.
It's protected from winter wind (though I have others doing fine in more exposed situations).
I suspect the cement of the foundation alkanizes the soil to some degree,
but as I say, I don't know for sure.
Just try an orientalis and see. Put it at the top of a slope to keep drainage up and see what happens. I think you'll be surprised at how tough they can be once they're established.
Mine get wet and cold in winter - it's just that we do water-logged and 32 pretty well around here and that's tough for everybody but the natives - and the lonicera nitida, which has done well there . . .
I live on a bog and it gets colder than a witches adder. 32 aint nuthing unless its below 0. Your winter is a cake walk.
Had it here where the ground froze pipes 4 foot below the surface... Blossom was not a happy camper that winter. Course, Im not a happy camper any winter anymore... but then that just might be me! You would think at my age I would get used to it.. buut NooOoo! And oh here it comes again... snow preduicted to come in Wednesday.. NO, not happy not happy one bit!
I grow mine on sand. Hellebores like alkaline to neutral soil, but I've found if I amend my hydrangeas with acid loving food, the hellebores under it don't seem to mind. I grow them in full sun with lots of water, to quite dense shade with little water. They definitely don't take freezing waterlogged soils.
People in the Adirondacks grow them, and they are much colder than you'll ever get. If you're z5. They are z3 in a good year in some of the spots there.
I grow orientalis, foetidus, niger, and some of the nigercors crosses, but mostly orientalis.
I grew up in Fairbanks, AK back when it got down to -60. No wind. We didn't grow Hellebores. But we did have dicentra that came back every year. And spirea. And little Hearts Ease seedlings. I can't remember what else.
Boy, I've haven't heard of that in Fairbanks in a long time. Guess I should check with someone and see how cold it does get. -45 is pretty cold; that's for sure. It's a very dry cold there, so at least you can get warmed up when you're inside.
It's hard to believe that anything will grow; harder yet to believe that a crow can live outside and perch on a metal lamppost in winter. I will forever be mystified by that one.
katie - Thanks for posting those links. Very helpful information. Not sure that I would have room for H. argutifolius - now that's a monster. It does seems like H. foetidus likes a little more sun but I might be able to manage a spot.
If it's going to get really cold here, I always hope for snow. Last year was perfect (if midwest winters can ever be called that) and had decent snow cover. The weather patterns this year have dropped a lot "lake effect rain" on us (a new one for me) and I'm hoping that pattern has changed.
Letsee, last year here, my perfect winter gave me frozen pipes 4 feet under ground.. Winter sucks. Oh yeah and I did mention the 2009 ice storm, Yup, winter in the midwest sucks and thats my story and im sticking to it!@
Yeah, you "lake effect" people are set up for freezing precipitation. We're supposed to have a El Nino winter here (more precipitation, but warmer). We in the PNW forum are combining our mental efforts toward night-time-only rains and temps above 35 for the rest of the season. One can always hope . . .
We call it a "bad" winter when we can't get out of the subdivision to work. Then that's a good thing. I'm happy with snow cover as long as a) the roads are clear enough to drive on; b) I don't lose power and c) I don't have to shovel too much although it keeps me in shape for gardening. We did have over a foot of snow that lasted several weeks. Much rather have snow than ice.
The name of the PNW thread where we discussed this is "we are all connected", so this attempt seemed particularly apropos there. The thought is that if we guide our thoughts to focus on a very specific outcome, we do have some power to influence even Mother Nature.
So far, so good. But we are supposed to have an "El Nino" winter which means lots of precipitation, but warmer temps. So we do have that on our side to begin with. Last winter we had a once-in-100-years snow. I loved it, but missed 1.5 weeks of work. I don't want a repeat of that.
Well, dont think WA can top the midwest snow of 67.
Heaped to the rafters it was.. er make that eaves of the house it was. No one was moving except the menfolk who were so desperate to go to town for um Groceries... They unbeleiveably walked several miles to the store, took the kids sled and several hours later.. Party time. Funny, cant remember who shoveled the driveway...but I remember sledding down that big ole hill of snow when all was said and done! Be the last time I can remember ever liking snow too..! No one worked for days...well, that is at a paying job except the grocer...the plows had trouble getting out too. The power stayed on as I recall. But I have been through winters several days running without.
LOL!! hmm your that old and can remember that? LOL! Just kidding,, gotta tease alittle, the derned dial up is driving me insane. Yano, there is only one thing worse than winter period and thats DIAL UP in the WInter!
In 1836.. who'd a thunk (yeah, hillbilly werd) we would all be here all cheery and brite yaking on a machine like this! LOL!
Course me, I still go through the paces feeding the horses in the blustery cold, pailing water to them and having their warm fuzzy noses breathe in my face in the snow... so I can get a quick grip on what went on back in 1836!~ Lord, I have only one thing to wish for in winter and thats a 1836 real rooten tooten pair of geniune buffaloe hide cowboy boots! Now THEY had to keep yer feet warm! None of this plastic junk.
Oh, that reminds me of going to the Sunday dog sled races with my dad. Even though the sun was out, our feet would get numb and we'd go into this big warehouseish building to thaw out after the dogs had taken off. I'm sure it was only 30 in there.
The Eskimo ladies would have the most beautiful parkas and mukluks. And they never looked like they were cold at all. Wish I had some of my dads photos . . .
I have lots of hellebores, some of them well established plants (about 10 - 15 years) so they flower and seed very well. I would recommend buying the plants in flower if you can - there are so many beautiful plants in different colours, with or without spots and stripes. The species forms are particularly beautiful but can be difficult to track down. Most are very easy to grow in part sun and/or shade. They don't do very well in pots and are definitely not suited to growing indoors. This is foetidus Westerfisk. Do give them a try, you won't regret it and will get hooked...
I have a couple of them, and they tend to get silvery towards winter. Maybe Galanthophile will comment more. But I think usually they are more green, and silver up towards winter. Barry Glick has one, 'Frenchy' that does the same for me, green in summer, and silver towards the end of the year. But hopefully Galanthophile will come back and advise on that.
Hi again. I have a few "ordinary" green foetidus which seed around so I always have plenty. I was aware of the Westerfisk or Westerflisk form because it has red rimmed flowers and a red blotch in the middle of the leaf frond but always thought do I really "need" it.. However when I saw this in a local garden centre it literally stopped me in my tracks and I just had to have it. It's a very silvery blue form imo, I've never seen anything else like it. I will try and save some seeds! Thanks for all your kind comments. I'll hunt out a few more photos of my species. If you like hellebores have a look here as there are some very expert people that post there. http://www.gardenbuddies.com/forums/hellebores/.
After 2 years of failed attempts at starting Hellebores from seed, I'm planning on buying plants this year. I may go to Barry Glick's Sunshine Farm and Gardens... it's not THAT far of a drive, and I sometimes drive through that area... has anybody been there?
They are new to me so I can only guess as to whats happening. Foetidus has put up light green fingers at the ends of branches and I can see round buds in the "palm". The plants have been that way for several weeks. I saw fotidus blooms in the pic from RedChick last year. They are in the background of the big painting I did of her helebores
This is a non helleborus question.
I was given a gift certificate for WFF and am looking at their strawberries and Cream asiatic collection.
Has anyone had experience with this.?
I quit WFF because their plants are small and usually didnt survive the first year. The 3 reviews of the lily collection are 2 to 1 positive.
The one neg. put me off by stating the mix had no whites and the other colors were alike.Its a 25 bulb mix.
I am sure I can get BuggyCrazy bulbs for less.Maybe I will just get a hosta and be done with it.
Let me know in any event.
The kind people on the co-op commitee have alowed us to post an hellebore co-op interest thread. Anyone have suggestions other than Barry Glick? He's offering great prices, but a dollar's a dollar. If you know of anyone better, let me know.
Oooo - where can I get the details? I sent Barry an email last week but never got a response before I left Monday am to come down here to TN. I'm over in the Columbia area until the 10th. Was Sunshine carrying only the species or were they carrying any named cultivars? I was thinking about holding out for 'Walter Flisk'.
I had some Sunshines in my garden back in St. Louis. That's why I'm getting them again. I planted 10 under some viburnum and did nothing to them and they did fine. When they started blooming they were in every colour including one that was a real deep dark red. They just kept getting better everyyear. All I did was mulch them.
Sheryl - For the money (even limited budgets), the 'Sunshine Selections' are worth the money. Not sure if mine will send up any flowers this spring or not. I'm not tempted to remove any leaf cover from the Hellebores until late Feb. I had read somewhere that H. prefers a slightly alkaline soil so I've been trying to keep them in spots near concrete block but those spaces limited. That's why I'm holding out for 'Walter Flisk'.
In general, hellebores prefer neutral or slightly limy soils; a pH of about 7.0 seems ideal although good plants are often also seen around rhododendrons in gardens with acid conditions. Acid soil can be made more accommodating by liming the whole area before planting, using an alkaline organic material such as spent mushroom compost when improving the soil, or by adding 1-2oz/30-60gm of lime to the planting mix (see page xxx) when planting individual plants. An annual top dressing of 1-2oz/30-60gm of lime per plant, before mulching, can also help. And on very acid soils, even the rhododendrons will appreciate a little lime.
Recommendations for individual species, but it is fortunately true that all types of soil can grow good plants although all hellebores hate waterlogged soil. In severe cases waterlogging can be alleviated by installing drainage; working organic matter and grit into the soil to improve the flow of water to lower levels can also be successful and creating raised beds also works well. Planting near to mature trees which naturally remove a great deal of moisture from soggy soil is a clever ecological solution for shade lovers.
In general, the more moisture the soil retains the more sun and open exposure hellebores will tolerate. On heavy clay soils, which tend to be moisture retentive, most will take some sunshine but the plants, and their neighbours, will still benefit from soil improvement.
Organic matter is, as usual, the key but the addition of coarse grit can also improve heavy soil. Thorough winter digging in the traditional style allows both grit and organic matter to be incorporated; forking these materials into the second spit will create noticeable improvements to the workability of the soil and the health of the plants. Well-rotted garden compost, well-rotted manure, leaf mould, spent mushroom compost, bagged soil improvers from the garden centre are all suitable forms of organic matter.
In sandier, well-drained soil the plants appreciate more shade. The addition of generous amounts of organic matter will greatly improve both the moisture holding capacity and the nutrient levels of the soil.
But improving the general soil is only part of the answer. Preparing thoroughly before planting individual plants is also very important. Plants of H. hybridus in particular develop deep and extensive root systems which allow them access to potential reserves of moisture and nutrients deep in the soil. So when planting it pays to prepare well. As it is not necessary, indeed it is a mistake, to split the plants regularly as is usual with many other perennials the plants will remain in the one site for many years developing into large and impressive clumps. So planting time is the one opportunity to improve the soil at root level.
Dig out a hole to the depth of your spade and 18in/45cm across; fork over the base of the hole and then work in some friable organic matter. The most generally available material is old peat-based or soil-based potting or container compost or the contents old growing bags; but the truth is that anything is better than nothing. Add to this a long term slow release fertiliser, and some grit on poorly drained soils. Work at least half a bucket of this mix into the base of the hole, then tread firmly. If the general planting area has been hurriedly prepared or if organic matter could not be applied liberally in general preparation, work some more planting mix into the soil which will be used to refill the hole.
The level of planting is important. Pot grown plants can simply be planted so that the surface of the compost in the pot is level with the surrounding soil. Plants moved from elsewhere in the garden should be set so that the final soil level is 1in/2.5cm above the point at which the roots are attached to the crown.
Refill the hole with soil, tread carefully with the ball of your foot, level off and water in well. I like to water the plants with a liquid feed the day before planting and add some liquid feed to the can when watering in afterwards. Finish with a 2in/5cm mulch of weed free organic matter.
Plants of H. hybridus and many of the smaller species will stay undisturbed for many years so thorough preparation is essential. Shorter lived species such as H. argutifolius and H. foetidus will thrive on less preparation. H. vesicarius (page xxx) demands warm, sunny and well drained conditions, while H. lividus and to a lesser extent H. x sternii are also different in requiring better drainage and more sunshine. See their entries for details."
yehudith - Thanks for posting that info! I know my prime Hellebore planting area has some sand in it as it's near foundation block walls. Maybe that's why the plants like it there. It is full shade - high shade in the morning, a little denser shade in the afternoon.
Returned from my visit to Columbia, TN yesterday and have to track down my 'Walter Flisk' and get it ordered.
Thanks, Cindy. Pagancat - you'll like the plant. I have no idea what species mines is, but the blooms stay that chartreuse green for about another month - so about 4 months altogether. Easy plant to grow. It has an earthy smell, but I actually like it's smell better than the jonquils which I know some people really like, but I don't like at all.
Thanks alot. I just love that picture. I love Hellebores. My friend in St. Louis had a corner lot. She had a walkway that came off the sidewalk and wandered through the front up to hers steps. This left a big halfmoon area between the walk and the house that was shaded. She filled it in with Hellebores and trycirtis. You should have seen it in the spring! OMG. She'd get out in about February and cut them all back to the ground and in about 2wks up would come the flowers. Just masses of them, masses! Mine were mixed with bluebells. Anyway in the fall the trycirtis took over. They just sparkled, coming up through the huge leaves of the Hellebores. I love this plant!
Sine I have this woodland area in my backyard here, I'm planting huge drifts of Hellebore, Jack-in-the-pulpit, Mayapples, Tryllium, Bluebells, and other woodland plants all mixed up together along with shrubs like Calicarpa, Bayberry and at the very edge a Buckeye.
I love this look. When I was a kid growing up in horse country in New Jersey you could wander for miles through the woods without seeing another human. The floor was carpeted with Tryllim and all the other woodland goodies and there was the tree canopy above with the sun cascading through the leaves. In the spring there were dogwoods and magnolias in the fall the leaf colours and that smell that only comes with fall. It was like being in a cathedral. Us kids would just wander all day hunting salamanders or gathering persimons and fiddleheads. There was never a worry about our safety or being abducted are any of the stupidity our kids have to deal with today. All tht is gone now thanks to the developers but I can still recreate my little bit of heaven.
Grateful to all of the DG folks who recommended Edelweiss to me. Because they're in the NW, I dreaded the shipping cost but they're still cheaper than Forestfarm, who really remains my all-time favorite. Still looking for the elusive counterpart to FF east of the Miss.