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Garden Talk: It's still December: let's continue to celebrate our gardens

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 23, 2009
1:18 AM

Post #7391929

We came from here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1059873/#top

Please show us photos of your gardens - all of them!

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marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

December 23, 2009
1:24 AM

Post #7391939

I want my garden to look like that!! I'll have something like it by next summer. But I'm having a hard time waiting. The ground is too cold to plant anything. So its wait, wait and wait. Darn
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 23, 2009
2:49 AM

Post #7392117

We planned and planted, moved plants time and again for 18 years until it looked like the above photo and still I wasn't satisfied so I did over a portion of what you see in October and November. Maybe this time it will come out the way I want it to be.

The garden pictured here hasn't changed much at all since we installed it in '95.

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WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 23, 2009
2:58 AM

Post #7392139

That is beautiful. I promised my DH, sort of, that I would finish my garden and then sit down and enjoy it. Well I will try. I actually want to be satisfied so I can sit down and really enjoy it but every time I sit down I see something that has to be moved.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 23, 2009
3:16 AM

Post #7392166

Many of us do exactly what you do, Sharon.

It reminds me of a Rudyard Kiping quote:

“Gardens are not made by singing "Oh, how beautiful," and sitting in the shade.”
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 23, 2009
4:31 AM

Post #7392349

Here is a front view from the front sidewalk. Peace Rose in middle flowerbed.

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WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 23, 2009
4:35 AM

Post #7392350

Partial view of back landscape looking south toward Koi pond.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
10:30 AM

Post #7392581

Nothing to sneeze at Sharon
beauty

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
10:42 AM

Post #7392587

.This is March 17th here

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
10:47 AM

Post #7392593

Nearly the same spot April 16

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 23, 2009
1:20 PM

Post #7392742

I would just love to take a walk through all of your gardens. They look so inviting...

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
1:31 PM

Post #7392757

this is a May July August collage of the same area

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 23, 2009
1:46 PM

Post #7392807

Sharon - fantastic! What a joy to see! You do superb work and I adore that first shot and the look of the garden.

Jo Ann - looks like that garden remained sound asleep in the first two photos and then really woke up!

This message was edited Dec 23, 2009 8:47 AM

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
1:58 PM

Post #7392842

May to July is a leap.I agree.
I didnt have a series of photos for June.
I have relocated my Fusion Crismas tree , to my garden.
I might leave it there until I grow vines on the trellis.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 23, 2009
2:26 PM

Post #7392898

We all need something we can see from our windows that brings a smile in winter. More power to you, Jo Ann.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
2:27 PM

Post #7392900

Thanks from my best supporter and enabler Pirl.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 23, 2009
2:30 PM

Post #7392914

If we can't enjoy ourselves and create something to give us a smile then what's the purpose of living?
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
2:39 PM

Post #7392946

Gorgeous gardens, Sharon!

Wow, Jo Ann, your garden really peaks in July. Beautiful.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
2:42 PM

Post #7392955

May and June arent bad its just that I put a lot of late bloomers in the area that spring.
I will pix from the same spot this year, should see more hardy geraniums and Lischenes( sp) my GF gave me seeds.
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
2:50 PM

Post #7392977

It's hard to get your garden to cover all the months. Do you have the book Time Tested Plants, by Pamela Harper? That really helped me. But mine still peaks in June, with the irises, and I need more late summer plants (phlox!).

You've done a fantastic job, Jo Ann!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
2:56 PM

Post #7392994

Thanks,I cant begin to tell everyone how much pure joy I get seeing the changes from one year to another. I must have planted 6 JI's in that area too so this spring will be a treat.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 23, 2009
2:57 PM

Post #7392998

Even a rainy June, as we just experienced, was pure pleasure.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 23, 2009
4:41 PM

Post #7393215

Very nice Jo Ann. I was having the same problem only my garden was peaking from late June into July. I added some Virginia bluebells, columbine, iris and some pulsatilla in 2007. Then I decided I need color to go later into the fall and in 2008, bought more dahlia tubers and mums. I also had some a real nice trade from a very generouse DGer and put in a couple of Japanese Anemones. I am anxious to see what the JA's do in the Fall of 2010.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2009
4:53 PM

Post #7393243

Thanks for the mum remark.
I just remembered the mums I put in for fall color.

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WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 23, 2009
8:05 PM

Post #7393684

Joann, love it but it would drive me crazy to wait. In the SW we have about 10 to 20 days of winter and then the sun starts shining again. Two years ago we had 100 degrees first week of April. Just really never know when to plant your tomatoes. We trim back and feed our roses first week of February. Do not grow many bulbs here because the blooms only last one day because of the heat. We had high winds last night and my property in on a slight curve about 1/4 of the way down. So I have all the leaves from above me in my front landscape and street scape and the front street. My neighbor stopped by and wanted to know if I had pi**ed off Mother Nature.

Have a wonderful day. I have a little grocery shopping to do. I cannot believe I waited till today but oh well.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 24, 2009
12:50 PM

Post #7395389

Carolyn - I also went with earlier bloomers for spring, and then dahlias for summer and fall. At least the dahlias take us into November with their blossoms. It would be so nice if some lilies could wait to bloom for October and November.

Here's Red Hot lily from Dutch Gardens - always a grand performer.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 24, 2009
1:35 PM

Post #7395470

I wouldnt believe that soft color from the name.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 24, 2009
4:28 PM

Post #7395924

Arlene

what a gorgeous, gorgeous lily!

another of my favorites are nasturtiums. They bloom right until the frost. I already have my nasturtium seeds for next year...

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 24, 2009
4:31 PM

Post #7395932

one of my favorite early bloomers... This photo was taken in late April, when we are all so ready for color.

I bought these bulbs through Viola Valley here on DG.

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WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 24, 2009
8:12 PM

Post #7396330

That blue is delightful. What is the name of the bulb? I have a friend into Blue flowers and her birthday is in March.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 24, 2009
9:12 PM

Post #7396446

Sharon

They are Virginia Bluebells. I just love them. After they are finished flowering, the foliage just kind of melts away by the time other flowers come up in that area...

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1543/
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 25, 2009
12:31 AM

Post #7396809

And Viola Valley sells them for like a buck apiece, too - I got some too, Carolyn. They're great - they bloom and completely disappear until the next spring. No old foliage, nada.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 25, 2009
6:34 AM

Post #7397262

One last question. Should I purchase plant, seed or is it a bulb. The site you led me to sell all three. Thank you very much. Merry Christmas., We have another hour and 36 minutes. My DH will not even come close to believing what I got him for Christmas. It is his favorite candy from when he was a kid. I searched the internet and found it at "Old fashion candy from years gone by." Nothing exciting. Necco wafers. It is still available somewhere in the United States but not Las Vegas. I bought enough that he will have enough if he lives to be a hundred. My DH is disgusting. He can eat one piece of candy a day. He will love it. I bet I get something for gardening. I have been hinting for knee pads. Merry Christmas.
stormyla
Norristown, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 25, 2009
6:38 AM

Post #7397269

Necco wafers are great. I like the black ones. What fun gifts!!
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 25, 2009
7:01 AM

Post #7397278

He will be so surprised because the last time we found them they were at a roadside shop somewhere in Texas. Well maybe he would be more surprised if it was a Corvette but I have already told him that is not going to happen. I laugh when I see a 76 year old man driving a Corvette and there is no way my DH is going to be laughed at, so end of story. Meany...
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 25, 2009
2:54 PM

Post #7397587

Actually, if I remember correctly ... I bought mine as a root, rather than a bulb... I guess maybe you'd call it a tuber. If you get it that way, I wouldn't order until your ground is warm enough to be workable. That's the way I'd order it again - these guys have terrific products, but they ship stuff in baggies filled with peat and I can only guess what the plants would look like.

And in Las Vegas, you're going to have to put these in a area that gets a fair amount of water with enough compost to defend against your alkaline soil and water.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 25, 2009
6:56 PM

Post #7397961

Sheryl, thank you so much for the input. I , after 8 years at this new property, have every inch composted and refill all the time. I also use mulch like it is free. But it does protect from the sun and reduces loss of moisture. When we built the home we had the lot graded down over 4 feet and removed all the Nevada blow sand and started with landscape soil and then went from there. The front landscape is made up with large boulders buried in the soil and placed to make various deep flower beds. What still amazes me is the small rocks under all the soil I had brought into the landscape. They just move upward and sooner or later they are at the top of the soil. I start digging a bed that was free of rocks and now it is full. Mother Nature is really sneaky in some ways.

You are all getting buried or have been already buried in snow. Have a great , warm and safe Merry Christmas. Getting ready to go see Baby Luke.He is now 7 weeks old.

This was placed on another thread and I got permission to use it. I think it is beautiful.

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 25, 2009
7:14 PM

Post #7397979

Sharon

Mine were little tuber-rooty like things too. I think the seed would take awhile don't you? I mean if you are going to buy them anyway, you may as well get the bulbs...

Love the postcard of the bird.

Merry Christmas everyone.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
2:45 AM

Post #7398502

I have really been enjoying the gardens. My computer was down for sometime and I still don't have a lot of my pictures downloaded. I'll see what I can find hopefully I will have something to post. I'll start with a few of my spring bulbs and flowers. I transplanted some VaBlueBells from the local area hopefully they will be back next spring. Here they are last spring. It's not a good clear pic but you can see how nice they look with the hosta.

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pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 26, 2009
2:54 AM

Post #7398516

Sharon, Virginia Bluebells, Mertensia virginica is a perennial, not a blulb. They will need shade in your area, and since they are ephemeral plants put them close to something else to take up the gap.

If Viola Valley is selling them for less than a dollar that is very reasonable, but Viola Valley doesn't have the best rating on Garden Watchdog.

Love the bird postcard!
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
2:58 AM

Post #7398520

A few spring bulbs near the front arbor.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
3:16 AM

Post #7398556

I am looking forward to seeing more of these next spring. I planted a few more of these this fall.
Esperanto

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 26, 2009
11:17 AM

Post #7398956

great tulips
Our snow is gone as of yesterdays rain.
Its 40* but no chance of that staying round for long.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 26, 2009
2:53 PM

Post #7399273

The first flowers in the spring always seem to be the most exciting for me. I bought these little iris in a co-op the year before, planted them that fall and then promptly forgot about them -(I had gone pretty heavy on the co-ops that year). When I first saw them coming up, I could not imagine what they were and was so excited when they opened!

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 26, 2009
2:54 PM

Post #7399279

I live for that
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 26, 2009
6:53 PM

Post #7399759

I love the Iris bucharica. They tend to bloom for me for two years after planting and then don't come back. I need to plant them in a drier area.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 26, 2009
7:09 PM

Post #7399793

PollyK, thanks for the heads up. I have some other bulbs that are ephemeral also. Of course, I had to look up that word on Google before I new what you were talking about. I love DG, learn something new every day.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
9:41 PM

Post #7400087

I love the reticulated iris but haven't had much luck with them. Got to find just the right place. I planted a few last summer and am hoping they will bloom for me next spring. Here are a few of my favorite daffs. They blend well with the tulips you can see in the background.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
9:47 PM

Post #7400101

I am sure I have a nicer shot of this waiting to be downloaded.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
10:10 PM

Post #7400141

Same bed the Clems are blooming.
The President

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
10:12 PM

Post #7400144

Ramona with the sedums blooming in the background.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
10:23 PM

Post #7400166

Can't find any mid summer pics, this was taken end of summer beginning of fall. Going to have to thin out those asters next spring or they will take over the whole bed. Love that orange coleus hiding under them.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
10:42 PM

Post #7400194

Front beds are comming along nicely wonder how they will look next year when the perennials get a little bigger.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
10:48 PM

Post #7400202

This is from the raised wall bed. Those pansies bloomed all summer and I loved the color with the Ginger Ale(?) Heuchera.

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Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
11:45 PM

Post #7400325

OMG, Holly Ann - are the blooms on The President as blue as they appear on my screen? It looks like a bright royal blue - gorgeous.
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 26, 2009
11:53 PM

Post #7400344

LOL, Sharon. I should celebrate, I finally used a big word.

Beautiful pictures Holly!
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 26, 2009
11:53 PM

Post #7400346

Holly, that is all glorious. Thanks for sharing.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2009
11:56 PM

Post #7400353

More dark purple but sometimes they photo a bit more blue when they aren't in direct sun. It's a nice clem, very hardy and good bloomer. This one is old.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 27, 2009
12:07 AM

Post #7400373

Thanks everyone, I'm weeding out some of my pics. One of the issues with the computer was I had way too many pics. So I am going thru the ones I downloaded and getting rid of some. Here is a keeper, the spring show from my Wisteria. There was an arbor planed for last spring that didn't get built so hopefully we will get it in this comming spring.

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Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 27, 2009
4:58 AM

Post #7400978

Gotcha - ah well, it is still beautiful!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
9:44 AM

Post #7401210

Its hard to thin out pictures,but you get better pics when being more critical.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
9:52 AM

Post #7401215

Another garden shot of the new flagstone walk this August

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
10:00 AM

Post #7401216

This is the Woodswalk garden stone path. There will be Tulips in May
Astilbes
Lilies
Hardy Geranium
50 DL's
at the end there is a Witchazel tree and in summer,more lilies and Larkspur and cosmos

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 27, 2009
11:56 AM

Post #7401262

Very nice Jo Ann. I look forward to pictures next season of your walkway.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
12:02 PM

Post #7401269

Up early I see.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 27, 2009
12:11 PM

Post #7401278

I have been awake since 3 am...

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
12:21 PM

Post #7401286

I hear ya.
I had that pattern until a few weeks ago.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 27, 2009
12:39 PM

Post #7401309

you are still up early though...
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 27, 2009
12:40 PM

Post #7401310

The warm night temperatures melted the majority of the snow here, thankfully. I don't love it when it gets brown at the side of the road - "New York City snow", per the song, "Bette Davis Eyes".

It's fun to look ahead so here's the vegetable garden.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
12:50 PM

Post #7401324

Neat and tidy Pirl.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 27, 2009
2:46 PM

Post #7401509

It always starts off nice and neat but then comes the heat of summer and weeding is a chore for Mr. Tidy.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
3:01 PM

Post #7401531

Anyone trying to stay out of the leftovers in the fridge?
I have been reading posts ,never thought of just to stay out of the kitchen.
We had a heavy frost last night and roads are slick or I would be out walking.
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 27, 2009
4:34 PM

Post #7401715

That's where I need to be, out walking.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 27, 2009
4:52 PM

Post #7401758

I am living on the leftovers, who knew cookies and chocolate candy would make an acceptable breakfast. LOL
Pirl I remember the lovely Veggie Garden pics from last summer. At the end of fall we finished up clearing the bottom of the Veggie garden and putting in the new bed. So I have a larger Veggie Garden and a new bed to look forward, too.
It is beautiful here today the sun is out and it feels so warm. It is only 39 deg outside but if the ground wasn't so wet I would be out there working.
ge, It is hard thinning the pic. I want to keep old pic even thought they may not be the best pics so I can look back and see the progression. I also took pics to use as reference as to what is planted where and then there are the nice garden shots and close ups that I want to keep. I hope to do a little more work on my Journal this winter. It is pretty meager right now. I've added a few pics as I go thru them and see something pretty and think that is a good Journal picture.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
5:51 PM

Post #7401869

I completely understand.
As to the chocolate and cookie breakfast.I have had quiche every morning for the past 3.
Thats because by the time I get to 1 oclock I am nipping at the bananna rum cake with walnut caramel glaze that sits on the island.
My doctor is going to kill me, good thing I dont see him until Feb.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 27, 2009
6:43 PM

Post #7401978

Well we have finished off the meatballs and shrimp. Gave the cheese platter to my DIL to take along to another party. I'm going to start on the crab dip next. Back to the gym next week. LOL
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 27, 2009
6:46 PM

Post #7401980

and here I am with the red and green hershey kisses...
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

December 27, 2009
6:50 PM

Post #7401988

ge1836,
Banana rum cake! Walnut carmel glaze! YUM! YUM!

Got the recipe?? I'd love to have it.

Mary

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
7:06 PM

Post #7402028

Bone Appitit last year.DD has the reciepe but I think you can google it.
Lemmeeee try for ya



Here ya go
http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Caramel-Walnut-Upsidedown-Banana-Cake-241629
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 27, 2009
7:27 PM

Post #7402079

Pirl, do not knock Mr. Tidy. My DH could walk past a disaster in the garden and not even see it. Your Veg garden is wonderful. The tomato plants look so healthy. I came to sweeping my crushed granite. I could not find my rake nearby one time so I used my broom. It works better.

JoAnn, that wood carving on your walkway is beautiful. Did you do that. Also, do you own the rolling landscape beyond the walk. That is also beautiful.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
7:33 PM

Post #7402095

The carved bear and cub was a gift to DD from her husband ,last crismiss.
The garden shown is ours on the border of the neighbors.
He has a bed of weeds with black raspberries for accent.
They have 7 kids and dont garden except for raspberries.
Beyond that is the back yards of 3 neighbors.
Ours is the only house with gardens in that direction.
The people on the other side of the yard do garden and she has beautiful hostas as well as a 150 foot long perennial border.
She's a great gal, we trade plants,
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 27, 2009
7:43 PM

Post #7402123

Do you sneak over there in the middle of the night and pull weeds? I keep forgetting that you have no fences between properties. How do you keep from getting their weeds in your landscape?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
8:18 PM

Post #7402185

I petrole every morning. They have raspberry bushes all along the property. I pull the rogues out of my garden.
Its the other stuff thats really a nuicence. Grows tall and had a dandilion type flower green prickly leaves.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 27, 2009
8:45 PM

Post #7402252

Santa needed to bring you a ton of Preen to spread on your neighbors property.
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
9:02 PM

Post #7402288

Wow! these are all so beautiful. It really makes me hungry for spring. Just going through this thread and catching up has made me feel warmer. We're having a warmer day today, 24 degrees right now, no sunshine but no wind either which is a blessing. We had to drive through a 1/4 mile stretch of 5' drift yesterday (it had been bladed open of course) to get to my in-law's farm for a late Christmas. It looked so funny to see the tops of the caution signs peaking out of the snowdrift. This is supposed to be the warmest day of the next 7 so I really need your pictures to help me through!

Pirl, in the very top picture, what is the deeper pink up against the house? It's really beautiful as is the rest of your garden. I agree with Sharon on being thankful for Mr. Tidy. My DH is wonderful, but has to be reminded that trash cans are not following him around, he has to find them.

I've not been good about taking pictures and am resolved to do better. I've received a lovely new scrapbook that I may reserve for nothing but garden, and try to be really good about labeling what I photograph. Good resolution for the New Year anyway.

Here are a few spring bulbs.

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willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 27, 2009
9:20 PM

Post #7402331

This is one bed that will need alot of attention next spring, as after this photo it became rather overrun with goldenrod and monarda. I think it's going to take a lot of digging. I also received a peony from a friend, which I put in here, only to discover that some "Bouncing Bet" (I don't know the official name) came along and has now grown up everywhere, despite my persistant pulling. The fact that I wasn't able to get out to the flower beds last summer, 'til almost August, kind of let these more aggressive plants get away. I was just thankful things survived at all, but I'm going to have to do a lot of pulling when the ground finally thaws.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 28, 2009
1:42 AM

Post #7402859

Love your bulbs but that last photo is divine, Willowwind! The pink tall flower in the first photo is the astilbe I mentioned to you. It expands here to an unbelievable degree.

Mr. Tidy is the same way inside. He's Mr. Clorox in spring when he begins his seeds in the basement. The whole house smells of Clorox and even if I put up a pot of chicken stock the Clorox is the major scent for a week. He also does all of the wash and all of the food shopping and he unwraps the chocolate kisses for the cookies.

I keep photos that aren't for show but just for my own personal reference to let me know what is planted and where it is planted.

The cookies that are left (5 I think) are now on a plate with what's left of the lemon nut pound cake. Tonight we had a real meal for the first time since 12/23.

Is there a law that says we can't have cookies and leftover candy kisses for breakfast during Christmas week? I'll add my boxes of Godiva to the mix!

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willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 28, 2009
3:12 AM

Post #7403019

I wondered if that might not be the astilbe...it's beautiful. I've just never seen it so big and beautiful. You must keep it very happy!

What a treat to have Mr. Tidy around. I do get good laundry help, but I try to run in and sort quickly or there's no telling what might end up together. Mr. Tidy certainly does a wonderful job with the chocolate kisses. Those cookies look beautiful and I'm sure would make a wonderful breakfast, accompanied by a nice cup of hot tea or coffee. Yum!

I think we're about out of the holiday treats I like, thank goodness. There's candy left, but I'm not too big on that, so maybe I can get back to healthier eating. I think that's what January is for. Too bad I can't grow veggies in the house.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 28, 2009
3:21 AM

Post #7403042

Well, January is for resolutions to do better and by then many of us will be done with the goodies that tempt us (except for the Godiva!).

Mr. Tidy is also the builder of trellises, tuteurs, etc. and he is quite handy to have around.

One year when he planted the spring lettuce seeds he announced, two days later, that he couldn't believe how they had grown. In error he had the lights on 24 hours a day...so there really is a way to grow veggies indoors!
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 28, 2009
3:23 AM

Post #7403046

I think you live in a fantasy. There is not man on the planet that fits that description. If he is for real, I am looking forward to when we can clone something besides sheep.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 28, 2009
3:28 AM

Post #7403052

He also reads and reads and reads - up to 8 hours a day. As long as the work gets done I don't get too crazed. He's also in charge of the dog walking, the dishwasher, setting the table, doling out medicines/vitamins/minerals, dry cleaning, banking and in charge of investments. Sharon and I had enough to do with investments in our business lives!
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 28, 2009
3:35 AM

Post #7403073

OK, now I know you are fibbing. No way is all that talent in one man, maybe 10. Are you a polygamist? You are one lucky duck. You had better keep an eye on him. We may kidnap him.
JasperDale
Long Beach, CA
(Zone 10a)

December 28, 2009
3:50 AM

Post #7403089

But guess who gets to clean the garage...and it isn't Mr. Tidy !
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 28, 2009
4:04 AM

Post #7403115

I am so-o-o impressed. You really have a gem on your hands. I would love to have a builder around, although I can't complain as I have a son-in-law who is amazing with wood. I am lucky too as we never have to call anyone for heating, air-conditioning, or plumbing problems and my husband is quite brave about wading into problems that look so messy I don't want to touch them.

I may have to try the lettuce under lights. I will have some coming up in my cold frame, but it's far too cold for any progress there yet. It's time for me to get pansies planted so maybe I'll sprinkle a bit of lettuce seed around the edges. It really sounds good!

Here's one of the prettiest flowers in my garden...her name is Magnolia! Actually behind her is the one remaining eyesore that needs to be worked on. Someone, long ago, planted honeysuckle here and I haven't gotten it out. It actually climbs clear to the roof in one spot. I need to clean it all out and plant shrubs, but it's fairly shady, so even those may not do well. Any great ideas?

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WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 28, 2009
5:04 AM

Post #7403198

Yes, hire a few laborers because the roots are in the net block. They suck up all the water. Anything will probably grow there after that is gone. I have baby tears that love the shade. Great on the ground or in pots. Strawberries like partial shade. I am not an expert because our temperature in the shade are at last 90 degrees. I have starts for baby tears. Grows like a weed.

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WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 28, 2009
5:04 AM

Post #7403199

Wrong photo. Sorry.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 28, 2009
10:47 AM

Post #7403448

No more cookies for me.
Pirl - YES no holds barred on crismiss week breakfasts.
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 28, 2009
1:47 PM

Post #7403659

What a lovely Magnolia you have Willow.
LOL On Mr Tidy, my Dear Ric does litterly all the grocery shopping and cooking, he's a coupon clipper, bargain shopper, too. House work, laundry, builds and fixes he pretty much does what ever needs doing, he's not very tidy though. There isn't a flat surface in the house or barn that he doesn't clutter up and tools and building materials everywhere. LOL

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ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 28, 2009
1:50 PM

Post #7403670

great arbor Holly
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 28, 2009
2:42 PM

Post #7403773

Holly -

what a gorgeous arbor! I'll bet the hummingbirds love you!
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 28, 2009
3:41 PM

Post #7403915

Well, I guess we take what we get. DH thinks clutter is charming. He basically does nothing but feed the dogs. But when I was ill for close to a year, he babied me everyday. I think he would have spoon feed me if it had been necessary. He is kind to animals, never get angry or drunk. Takes good care of his body by working out at the gym. Barely spends any money so I really have nothing to complain about. I have a handy man I call when I need something done. When DH starts to whimper about, I could do that, I just tell him this a gift for him from me so he will not have to do whatever is being one. I found the handyman when I needed a few things done and I kept getting the same answer. Does it have to be done today? I would answer, no problem honey, anytime you can get around to it would be great. Well you all know what happened then, nothing. So I just love him, take care of him and keep a handyman off the unemployment line. All is good.
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 28, 2009
5:54 PM

Post #7404226

Isn't it amazing what gems they all are, even if some of them are more "in the rough".

HollyAnn, your arbor and trumpet vine are just gorgeous. I have a large cedar that I wouldn't mind losing eventually, but it provides a good windbreak for now "til other things gain more size. I've thought about planting a trumpet vine where it could climb up in it. I've read that vines can eventually do trees in, but this is such a tough one I would think it could take a long while, if it ever did. The trumpets would really add some beauty as well as feeding the hummers. Holly, is yours one of the hybrid varieties, or just the common one? The flowers are so perfect it looks like it's a bit more polished than the run-of-the-mill vine, but that might just be the touch of your green thumb.

Sharon, the Baby Tears sound like a great idea. That area actually does have a little wind protection, and shouldn't dry too quickly once I can get the honeysuckle out. I'll miss the fragrance, but not fighting with the vines. I may put a bit of it somewhere out on a far fence where it could ramble all it wants and not hurt anyone. I have a couple of honeysuckles that are much more tame and controlable that I'll enjoy up close.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 28, 2009
6:13 PM

Post #7404265

Watch when you starting digging up that honeysuckle. When i dug mine up I thought it would take a moment. NO, the roots had invade the entire bed, had formed little babies and were ready to burst into the plant from h*ll. I had strawberries and could not come to a reason why they had died. It took me over 3 hours to get rid of the baby plants. They had planted themselves anywhere there was irrigation bubble.

Let me know when you want some baby tears, I have it growing anywhere. You can cut it up and make it into plugs. Maybe it is easy for you to get in Kansas but I had to get mine in California and bring it home. The technical name is helxine soleirolii. I have tried to find the seed with no success. Let me know if you find any seed. I would love to have some. I became acquainted with baby tears because it came in with a plant from the nursery. Garden center tells me it does not grow here. I have it all over the landscape and as long as it does not get the direct sun, it does great. I have had a few batches freeze but places right next to it did not freeze. Got me but it always comes back in the early spring.

Very overcast today. Going to clean my totally upside down home. Have a great day everyone.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 28, 2009
6:25 PM

Post #7404289

Hey, JD! I love cleaning out the garage. I really enjoy organizing and using my old plastic coffee "cans" for other purposes - the ultimate in recycling! He did catch my fever and did a few shelves saying he wouldn't do more than that but he ended up doing all of his shelves! When he labeled the items I knew the clean fever was worth it.

Great Magnolia, Willowwind and one you can enjoy every day of the year.

Honeysuckle! It took longer to eradicate that devil of a beauty than any other plant I've had. It was part of the "inherited landscaping". I wouldn't put anything else there until a few years had passed just to be 100% sure you got out all the roots.

Sharon - a handyman you can count on is worth every dollar. We do have one guy who will do tree trimming and any odd jobs that Jack doesn't want to tackle. Each year our guy does a few more jobs and that's fine with us.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 28, 2009
6:35 PM

Post #7404311

No its a pretty common TV I've had it a very long time. I ordered 2 Wisterias and 1 Trumpet Vine, back then I didn't know the difference and apparently neither did the guy that sent the plants. I planted the 2 similar plants out front and the other one in the side yard. Three years later when they started to bloom I found out that there was a mix up but I wasn't going to dig them up and move them. LOL
TV can be pretty invasive and I do spend some time keeping it in check but I think it is worth the effort. It gets cut back once a year after the bloom just so people don't have to duck to get in the front walk. You are right I can sit out on the front porch and watch the hummers coming and going all day. We have a doves nest in there, too. She sits so quietly that you wouldn't even notice her.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 28, 2009
6:40 PM

Post #7404320

Sharon, I have a friend that has a "not" handy hubby and just loves it. When something needs done she pays them and it all gets done. No waiting, or unfinished projects. My guys can do all kinds of wonderful things but I have learned to be very patient. LOL
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 28, 2009
7:36 PM

Post #7404442

Thank you ladies, Magnolia and her little sister Acacia (both named actually for trees) are some of the brightest parts of my landscape, but like the rest of my flowers, they need a bit of maintanence to keep them happy. That's, of course, part of the fun!

Now for that awful corner behind her...I'm afraid I really do have a job coming to get it out (the honeysuckle) for all I know it may have been there since the first part of this house was built back in 1927. The good part is that I've not seen too much of the vine spreading out to the sides, but there's an odd array of old roses and daylilies here and there that I'll also have to consider. On the very end, right behind Nolie, is a Zephrine Droughin (not spelled right) that has done pretty well in the shade and I'd like to keep going, but I think the others will need more sun, so this is going to be a major excavation in general. I may have a big cook out, invite the kids and their shovels, and try to do it that way. :) Sharon I would love some starts of the Baby Tears. I'll check back with you when it's a bit closer to spring. I think they would make a beautiful ground cover and should do well here if they grow for you. I may need to bring a bit in next winter just in case it freezes here, but that's a fairly protected area. I'll just be sure to plant part of it somewhere else so that if the honeysuckle would come back and need more digging, at least I could re-patch in the Baby Tears. Thank you for the offer.

HollyAnn, you've convinced me to try the Trumpet Vine. Yours is so pretty, and, as I said, I really wouldn't mind if I eventually lost the tree...it could just turn into a God-made trellis that way.

Pirl, you two sound like my Uncle Ted and Aunt Lucena. They had wonderful gardens and Uncle Ted could build anything and loved maintaining their very sizeable yard, but they always had a handyman named Mac. We children, (my cousins, sisters and I) used to tag along behind Mac constantly, as he also helped several other of my uncles as well as my Grandparents. Poor Mac never had a quiet minute, but we all learned alot from him. He was one of the gentlest, sweetest and most patient men I've ever known.

This is Charlotte, one of the other roses caught in the honeysuckle web. It's done alright on its own there, but is diminishing some every year so I really need to get it out into the sunshine. At least I know it can put up with some root competition so I should be able to plant around it.

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HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 28, 2009
7:53 PM

Post #7404494

Willowwind, If you still think you want one come summer just D-mail me and I will send you a rooted cutting (or 10). LOL
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 28, 2009
8:59 PM

Post #7404638

Thank you so much HollyAnn. I just wrote that down on my notebook so I'll remember. I really would love one of yours as obviously it's a great one. I probably won't need 10, but thank you for the offer. :)
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 28, 2009
9:07 PM

Post #7404660

Last summer was so hectic for me and I had a few promised that didn't get sent out. So I will get an early start this year before things get too overgrown to send. It would be my pleasure to send you some. Ladygardener who posts on the MA Forum has one that grows in a tree. She has posted a few pictures you could D-mail her and ask about it.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 29, 2009
12:48 AM

Post #7405271

Removing the honeysuckle is a good job for sitting in one spot for a day and digging, tracing the underground runners, more digging...all day long. But then watch the area for new eruptions for those you may have missed. I do love honeysuckle and love the memories of it as a child but it's best off in a wild part of the garden (in my opinion).
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

December 29, 2009
1:14 AM

Post #7405334

Oh I hope I don't have that much trouble replanting my Goldflame HS. I put it in a year or two ago. Wasn't really sure where I wanted it. I'm going to transplant it in the spring to the new bed down near the garden.

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WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 29, 2009
1:38 AM

Post #7405406

The BBQ sound like a good idea but I would rent a large, not wimpy, rototiller and tear up the dirt and plant. And then sit down and go through the soil for the roots. I would also water it deeply around that area about three days before to make the tilling easier. Might as well do the whole area.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 29, 2009
2:02 AM

Post #7405479

I agree 100% with Sharon.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 29, 2009
2:05 AM

Post #7405497

I actually pay Pirl monthly to always agree with me.
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 29, 2009
2:08 AM

Post #7405503

How much?
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 29, 2009
2:30 AM

Post #7405572

Now that I know you can be bought, we should negotiate.
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 29, 2009
2:38 AM

Post #7405593

No no no no - I meant, how much are you paying Pirl? I need a cheap- uh, inexpensive- yes-woman.
JasperDale
Long Beach, CA
(Zone 10a)

December 29, 2009
2:40 AM

Post #7405602

LOL
(Just don't tease pirl with any blonde jokes or the price goes way up.)
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 29, 2009
3:11 AM

Post #7405684

Watch out, JD. Sharon is also a blonde!

My all time favorite blonde joke is about a blonde speeding in her car and she gets pulled over by a female officer who asks for identification. The blonde pulls out a mirror and says, "Yep - that's me". The officer looks in the mirror and says, "Sorry, I didn't realize you are also on the police force".
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 29, 2009
5:48 AM

Post #7405981

OK, I do not get it. You know young girl from small mining town in Nevada. LOL..

OK Pagancat, I knew exactly what you meant. We just proved you could be bought so I just wanted to know how much. Obviously, you have not heard the joke. It is OK, we are harmless. Silly but harmless. Ran out of my Liptor and Viagra.
JasperDale
Long Beach, CA
(Zone 10a)

December 29, 2009
8:04 AM

Post #7406123

Two blondes walked into a building.
You'd think one of them would have seen it.

OK...back to the original thread...
jmorth
Divernon, IL
(Zone 5b)

December 29, 2009
8:29 AM

Post #7406130

LOL

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
11:03 AM

Post #7406191

Watch the blonde jokes.
I am an X blonde and never thought the jokes were funny.

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 29, 2009
12:39 PM

Post #7406288

Jo Ann

that picture is so cute! You were gardening as a small child too!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
12:44 PM

Post #7406292

Yes ,I helped my grandmother but never was as "into it" as I have been since DG.
My property was very narrow and most of it was house.
This is where I lived until 2007.I container gardened due to such small spaces for plants. Neighbor on the right is a horder.
What a mess.They moved in 5 years before I moved out and the accumulation is appaling.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 29, 2009
2:49 PM

Post #7406645

Great, JD!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
2:55 PM

Post #7406662

I feel bad for them. She is battling cancer for the past few years.
Her husband hangs in there for the kids sake and she has had therapy to try to controle it but when I visit the old neighbors across the street ,it's obvious she is loosing the battle of the compulsive hoarding and buying.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 29, 2009
3:18 PM

Post #7406710

that is really sad...

Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 29, 2009
3:30 PM

Post #7406741

Um, I would be blonde, too... am I not getting something here?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
3:33 PM

Post #7406746

There were some blonde jokes up the threads a bit
#7406123
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 29, 2009
5:22 PM

Post #7407064

gd1836, I have got to find my picture. Probably late 40s. We could be sisters. Did we all look alike in those days?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
5:29 PM

Post #7407087

My hair wasnt cut until I was in Junior hi 7th grade.
My braids were so long I could sit on them.
I remember in 6th grade we put on a pagent about Victory Gardens,I was an ear of corn. I dressed in a yellow and green cone shaped costume and unbraided my hair so it looked like corn silk cascading down in front of my face.
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
6:12 PM

Post #7407175

Oh my, I think there is a familiar thread running through all of us. I also had long braids that reached below my waist, and didn't have them cut until 6th grade, and it was accidental even then. Mine were blonde, but more of a dirty dish-water color, at least that's what my sisters called it. My whole family had dark hair, except me, so in comparison I was a blonde, and I have to admit, there times I really act like one.

If I rototilled the area after digging out the honeysuckle, you don't think it would make it worse? I was afraid the roots would be like bindweed and if I chopped them up, would come up in a hundred-million places. Maybe I could put the soil through a screen to get most of the bits out.

WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 29, 2009
6:35 PM

Post #7407226

Yes sift the dirt but I am a fanatic. I will spend hours on just one section of landscape, just sitting in my pile of dirt and getting rid of the rocks, roots or whatever. Last year I discover one of the street scape trees had invaded my rose ed along by driveway. When I started I was just in front of the sidewalk. By the time I was half way through I discovered the roots were getting larger. Wrong. Roots get smaller the farther they get from the tree. So I had another invasive root coming from somewhere else but I had no trees around. By the time I found the source, I had a hole about 4 foot square. I have composted all my soil so it was easy digging expect for the fine roots that break away from the larger roots. It took the hole that large to discover that this very large root had moved under the short wall between our property and our next door neighbor and his tree had taken over the entire bed. I had to remove two bushes because the root had totally wrapped itself around their roots. I discovered this root but my landscaper had to get rid of it on the other side. We measured the root as it came under the fence and it was about 8 inches across. It actually took the landscapers over an hour to dig up on the other side and cut the root. We both use the same mow and blow guy so that was no problem. Our neighbors are friends so I called him at work and told him he better be deep watering his tree because I had just cut off its main source of water. Maybe in 2010 I will learn to tell a shorter tale.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 29, 2009
6:48 PM

Post #7407266

Rototilling might turn roots under but screening sounds like an excellent way to be sure none are left behind.

No braids in my history but always flowers and always dresses and matching bows in my hair.

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WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 29, 2009
6:54 PM

Post #7407283

And you were so happy. What a great photo. I was a dirty dishwater blond.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
6:58 PM

Post #7407295

And none of us fit the "dumb blonde" profile.
Look at the smart blondes our age
Sandra Day OConner comes to mind
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 29, 2009
7:14 PM

Post #7407327

I'm trying to think of another smart blonde. There's a number that are intelligent, but none too smart!

Strangely enough, Ms. O'Connor is the only "big name" that I've ever ran in to in public - at Baker's Nursery in Phoenix. She and her poor husband.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
7:16 PM

Post #7407336

Ivana Trump
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
7:18 PM

Post #7407342

that's a beautiful picture Pirl. I believe I do notice a dark spot on your knee though, either a scab or some dirt? You must have had a good time playing even then.

Here's me in a dress and ribbons too, though I wasn't in them often as I remember.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
7:23 PM

Post #7407358

Thats sweet
Love the gloves.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 29, 2009
7:31 PM

Post #7407388

I love the gloves, too!

Great photos!
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
7:35 PM

Post #7407402

Guess I cut my own head off there. Here's how I looked more often. My parents were both geologists and we lived in Colorado, so when I wasn't looking at rocks I was climbing them and a dress just wasn't too practical.

Diane Sawyer!

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willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
7:41 PM

Post #7407420

My grandmother was very strict about gloves, we never went to church with out them. It was probably her one strong stab at making me into a lady.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 29, 2009
7:51 PM

Post #7407455

I wore gloves to church even in my 20's! Now I wish I had kept some of them.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
7:57 PM

Post #7407475

I had a sweet pair of handmade lace ones that belonged to my grandmother, they were small enough for a child and I got to wear them only on specia occasions
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 29, 2009
8:27 PM

Post #7407551

I have a beautiful pair of old lace gloves that came in an auction box of quilt scraps. My granddaughters (these are quite small too) love to wear them now, when they're playing tea party.

It would probably be hard to even find nice white gloves anymore, of course it's hard to even find a nice department store around here. Oh well, my present life doesn't lend itself so well to gloves anyway, and I really don't mind. My gloves, now, are more often for gardening.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 29, 2009
8:43 PM

Post #7407590

Precisely what I was thinking. I did have more dressy gloves than the two dozen gardening gloves I have but right now in my life the gardening ones are the preferred ones.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 29, 2009
11:52 PM

Post #7408020

what sweet photos. I too had the braids, but the only time I was a blonde was when we lived out in California - my Dad was in the airforce...

I like shoes and gloves and hats and accessories, but I was just telling my husband, that I would rather have gardening gloves, flower bulbs or a pitch fork for a gift than jewelry...

Calif_Sue

Calif_Sue
Northern California
United States
(Zone 9a)


December 30, 2009
2:55 AM

Post #7408494

Oh I am so late to the party, will have to go back more slowly and check out every ones beautiful shots!

Here's mine ;-) just a simple pond thing going on, a few fish, you know, trying to keep it in scale with the humble digs.

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pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 30, 2009
2:59 AM

Post #7408502

In case you're rattling around all by yourself in that big ole eyesore, I'd be glad to take it off your hands. But your staff must come with. LOL.

Calif_Sue

Calif_Sue
Northern California
United States
(Zone 9a)


December 30, 2009
3:04 AM

Post #7408516

He he, needs updating, plumbing, electrical the usual. Staff help can be negotiated.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 30, 2009
4:09 AM

Post #7408709

Does Arnold have to stay?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 30, 2009
10:26 AM

Post #7409081

Lets all go.
We could have a huge vedgtable garden and put up a stand by the road.
Take turns being cashier, and selling fresh produce, and raise money for the heating bill.

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Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 30, 2009
6:37 PM

Post #7410213

Gather twigs for kindling... sheesh.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

December 30, 2009
6:41 PM

Post #7410218

I've got a lot full of downed tree branches and twigs. So I'll bring the fire wood. What a Party we could have selling veggies and flowers.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 30, 2009
7:41 PM

Post #7410397

Looks like it might be in England. Is there running water and indoor plumbing? Does each room have a fireplace? I know picky, picky. Is it haunted?
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 30, 2009
8:21 PM

Post #7410506

LOL - when you said "Does Arnold have to stay" I assumed it was the California Governor's mansion, without really looking at the surroundings, duh...
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 30, 2009
8:50 PM

Post #7410598

I can't tell where it is, even from the surroundings, but I'm up for the trip. I can bring all my old flower seed from last year. I've been going through it and have more than I thought. Looks like it could use a bit of color anyway...not that I'm complaining about the grounds!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 30, 2009
10:19 PM

Post #7410899

Looks English to me.
just a guess
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 30, 2009
10:23 PM

Post #7410915

It does look English - if it were mine, I would have more gardens... looks bare.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 30, 2009
10:26 PM

Post #7410922

Places like this are costly to maintain unless they are run by charities.
OR
Maybe all the perennial gardens are in the back
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 30, 2009
10:37 PM

Post #7410966

one can only hope the perennial gardens are in the back...
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 31, 2009
12:30 AM

Post #7411282

Just think about all the dusting ... oy...

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 31, 2009
1:06 AM

Post #7411408

open all the windows on windy days, no need to dust
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 31, 2009
1:18 AM

Post #7411446

Glad I wasn't listening to you when I lived in Phoenix!
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

December 31, 2009
3:12 AM

Post #7411769

with a full staff, we will not need to dust. We can spend our time with better things like gardens and garden parties...

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 31, 2009
3:33 AM

Post #7411850

I'm willing to plant all my extra Japanese irises and I'll even make Chocolate Mousse for the party.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 31, 2009
5:24 AM

Post #7412203

I think a blower with a rechargeable battery is just the ticket. I think the pond is a mess. Would have to be skimmed and then drained, but then will have to be restocked. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DO NOT WHERE IT IS...

Calif_Sue

Calif_Sue
Northern California
United States
(Zone 9a)


December 31, 2009
6:39 AM

Post #7412440

She can't know, I never said where, Calif. is always sunshine LOL :-)

That is actually in Powerscourt House & Gardens near Dublin, Ireland, dropped in for a visit this past summer.
http://www.powerscourt.ie/gardens/

My garden is a bit more on the cramped for space and cram it all in side.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 31, 2009
10:21 AM

Post #7412586

How about a blower for dusting.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 31, 2009
1:21 PM

Post #7412755

Very pretty garden, Sue, and a lovely photo as well.

We've been to Powerscourt in May when the walls of one building were covered in Wisteria.

Why are we concerned with dust?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

December 31, 2009
1:39 PM

Post #7412786

hardly notice it
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

December 31, 2009
3:31 PM

Post #7413072

Sue, all that photo needs is a bunch of us and a hot pot of tea. Beautiful and very peaceful. See you Easterners, there is those western fences.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

December 31, 2009
4:43 PM

Post #7413296

They create beautiful privacy.
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

December 31, 2009
4:55 PM

Post #7413334

Yeah, but they can make you feel like you live in a cube. Guess it all depends on your neighbors.

Wow, Sue, that's great!
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

December 31, 2009
5:33 PM

Post #7413438

I think our January project should be to get those gardens planned out. We can also work on the Garden Party menu, starting with Pirl's chocolate mousse. (I used to have a cartoon cut out and on my refridgerator with two little boys staring at a moose head mounted on the wall. One is saying to the other, "My Mom makes chocolate pudding out of them.")

After living in Kansas these many years I've learned the secret to dust is open windows on both sides of the house so it blows right on through.

Carolyn, your lilies really make me feel like a garden party! Hot tea, chocolate mousse, and then we can skim the scum. What a day! Even fences wouldn't make that place feel like much of a cube.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

January 1, 2010
5:09 AM

Post #7415471

It is cold in Ireland and all they eat is potatoes and sausage.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 1, 2010
11:31 AM

Post #7415720

We can import what we want to eat.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

January 1, 2010
1:32 PM

Post #7415851

I've spent weeks in Ireland and had more wonderful salmon at Ashford Castle than we've had in Alaska. We only had sausages for one breakfast.

My late father-in-law, who never set foot outside of this country, always insisted that all the Irish ate was corned beef. We never saw it on any menu anywhere in Ireland.

Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 1, 2010
2:37 PM

Post #7416012

the world has become a very small place and it is definitely a global economy.

I have always loved history and I wonder what it was like in the 1700's and the 1800's, when the world seemed so much bigger and it was really something back then to have things imported from Europe. There are a couple of seed catalogs I get from England. I have never had any problems ordering from them either...
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

January 1, 2010
2:46 PM

Post #7416038

Same here, Carolyn. A very long time ago I read a book about Abigail Adams and she had to order fabric from England at unbelievably high prices. To think that now we can get in a car and visit four fabric shops in an afternoon, come home with the fabric and make a curtain is amazing when we compare it to the past.

"TR", a book on Teddy Roosevelt, gives a great view of what New York City was like in the 1890's and early 1900's. It talks of great expanses of green fields - now a bit difficult to imagine after seeing Times Square last night!
HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
2:48 PM

Post #7416048

That is just beautiful but I think I'd rather have my own Tropical Island. The first time we went to the Bahamas we picked up a local paper with an add for an island. Can't remember how big, think it was around a hundred acres, there was a large house, guest house, think there was a citrus farm on it, came with a couple of boats and had a harbor. We (Ric and I + another couple) spent the week talking about how we could sell our homes and buy it. Lets see Tate (a salesman) could line up corporate groups to have conferences, Jane would manage the barns goats, horses and chickens. Ric would run the kitchen (he's a great cook) and I would do the SCUBA operation. We divided out various other jobs to our kids. Jane's daughter in her early twenties and working at a bank would be the bookkeeper, My oldest daughter (social butterfly and pt bar tender) would handle the bar and party activities. The twins Jen & Josh would work with me in the SCUBA operation. They had both grown up on the local river and could handle a boat. (Ocean verses River doesn't really make a difference in our new dream life.) Our youngest pre-teen would grow up to be practically a native. What fun we had on that trip,
On all our trips to the Bahamas it was the best!
I have lived in the same house for more than thirty years, not 20 miles from where I was born. A 6 week trip we took 3 years ago was the longest time I was ever away from my parents in my life. I have found that although I like to travel, 6 weeks away from home is, too long. Holly

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 1, 2010
2:50 PM

Post #7416051

There was a great PBS special on John Adams.Abigail was probably the first femenist
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 1, 2010
3:06 PM

Post #7416108

I wonder if that was the same special HBO ran on John Adams a couple of years ago. I am so glued to that stuff...much to my poor husband's boredom, I am sure..
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

January 1, 2010
3:22 PM

Post #7416213

The Bahamas was great fun but we asked the maid about the weather in summer. No wonder bargains can be had! She said the humidity remains in the 90's with temperatures around 100. I'd melt!

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JasperDale
Long Beach, CA
(Zone 10a)

January 1, 2010
4:13 PM

Post #7416434

Now we know where pirl gets the ideas for her scarecrows !

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 1, 2010
4:15 PM

Post #7416447

groaaaaan
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

January 1, 2010
5:12 PM

Post #7416639

I only wish I had the talent to dress my scarecrow so well. It was the preview of their Junkanoo Festival and the work involved with each costume was remarkable.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 1, 2010
5:24 PM

Post #7416677

I have been watching this helebore for a month. This is as close to full bloom as is gotten.Maybe Feb.

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marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
5:25 PM

Post #7416680

This is my garden right now. I need flowers! I need spring!! I need a big greenhouse!
Can't start planting til May. Oh help me.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 1, 2010
5:26 PM

Post #7416687

I'll keep checking, those blooms are in there I just know it.

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 1, 2010
6:23 PM

Post #7416869

Marti - to have such a wonderful blank canvas as you have!

I have covered most of mine and am running out of room. I have even put in a couple of New Dawn climbing roses to grow up the side of my house in the last year or so, using my house a trellis...

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willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

January 1, 2010
6:40 PM

Post #7416940

Incredible costumes Pirl. I can't help but think how much fun my granddaughters would have with something like that. Dress-ups heaven! I love the islands, but I'll take the mountains first any day. That was my first home and is truely where my heart got left behind.

Marti, do you have anywhere inside you can hang a single shop light? My growing areas are the only thing that get me through some of our Kansas winters. It's like having a small jungle on hand. I can go play in the snow (except this year I'm not so good in it) then come in and play in the tropics. Great SAD prevention!

ge, keep us posted on your helebore. It should help us all feel a bit springier.

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willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

January 1, 2010
6:44 PM

Post #7416952

What beautiful coverage though Carolyn. Everything looks so well managed and I'm sure that keeps you busy.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
7:39 PM

Post #7417127

willowwind, I never thought about that. We live in a single wide mobile and right now I've got half the bathroom sink covered with small pots of cuttings and seeds. I just have to have something growing to be happy. I am to used to year round gardening in Calif. Heck, the nursery here is bare except for trees. No flowers. No roses. No nothing. In Calif, I could go to the nursery anytime of the year and find flowers to buy. I miss that.

Yes, I have a great blank canvas to start with. The picture shows the front yard and down the side yard behind the trailer. The property is about 192 feet deep and 75 feet wide. Plus my sister owns the lot next door. About the same size. In front of the trailer which faces west is where I will put the shade garden. The trailer shades the garden in the morning and afternoon and evening it's shaded by three maple trees. The rest of the yard is full sun to partial sun. AND I want everything, every flower to plant in the yard plus my veggie garden.
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 1, 2010
7:41 PM

Post #7417135

Oh, no, Carolyn. You don't get off that easy. If there's lawn, there's room for gardens.

I agree Marti, even a windowsill. Start a package of columbines. Or something.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
7:49 PM

Post #7417156

I have 6 rose cuttings rooting plus 2 iris received in trade and had started to grow, so I put them in pots. Oh, and I think I found some wild columbines. I carefully took three and haave them growing in a pot to see what color they are.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 1, 2010
8:39 PM

Post #7417303

Polly -

I am not opposed to that, unfortunately, DH feels we need to have some lawn. I would not mind just having paths running in and out of my plants.

I too need something to grow during the winter months. I have some foxglove I am going to start and I do have my houseplants. I moved some of my orchids into a lighted greenhouse in the spare bedroom and I am trying to carry over some of the less zone hardy pond plants in my little greenhouse as well...
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
8:44 PM

Post #7417316

My sister says I can not turn the spare bedroom into a greenhouse. She says the bathroom is bad enough. Spoil sport!!!
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
9:15 PM

Post #7417425

No, not the whole bedroom - just a space about 4x3 will do!
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
9:18 PM

Post #7417440

She will not even give me that.
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
9:22 PM

Post #7417445

Brat.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
9:36 PM

Post #7417483

Sister says I can move in with you. She says taking over the bathroom is enough.
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

January 1, 2010
9:42 PM

Post #7417502

Marti, I wonder if you could rig up a grow light under the bed?? I'm sure no one would notice! Maybe under the sink...let's see where else? Maybe you could bargain to trade the bathroom for a larger room? That way you could give the bathroom back and just use the bedroom.

Carolyn, next summer, be sure you groom the open sides of your planting beds really well...like at least another 6" to 1 ft. farther out. I've been doing that for awhile and so far DH hasn't really noticed the beds getting wider. He does panic when he sees me digging a new one, so this is less stressful for him and actually, he has less to mow in the long run. :)

HollyAnnS
Dover, PA
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
9:50 PM

Post #7417531

Marti, Do you have a Conservatory, Public Gardens or maybe a HobbyGreenhouse Assoc anywhere nearby? You could see about volunteering somewhere like that.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
9:51 PM

Post #7417534

Sister says that we are all nuts. Guys in white coats are headed our way.

Says she's given me almost an acre to plant she keeps the bedrooms.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2010
9:53 PM

Post #7417538

No such thing in Somerset. To backcountry for it. Only one nursery in town and its closed down for the winter. No plants until at least March, they said. Of course they ahve greenhouses but will not let me in.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 1, 2010
10:06 PM

Post #7417571

Willow - that is what I have been doing...
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

January 2, 2010
9:10 PM

Post #7420677

Well my family had the white coat folks come over. There interviewed everyone and left me here and took away everyone else.

I have two shop light and I got short florescent grow light at Loews and they work great. The guys at Loews see me coming they know I am trying to make something do something it was not made to do.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 2, 2010
10:09 PM

Post #7420865

Sharon

Hubby put fluorescent lights into my little greenhouse with some inexpensive lights in the fixtures, some zipties and some powerstrips. Did not take him long, it was inexpensive and works very well...

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willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

January 2, 2010
10:10 PM

Post #7420866

The white coat people gave up on me a long, long time ago...no hope! Now the only people DH worries about is the sherrif's patrol when they see all the light coming out of the basement and spare bedroom windows. I'm not so worried. If they want to try out my geraniums they're welcome to.
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

January 2, 2010
10:16 PM

Post #7420884

Carolyn, that set up looks great. You should have lots of fun now!

Calif_Sue

Calif_Sue
Northern California
United States
(Zone 9a)


January 2, 2010
10:42 PM

Post #7420953

Sharon, did you change your user name? or was there someone else spelling Lowes like you? ;-)
LOL
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

January 3, 2010
2:14 AM

Post #7421547

I did change my user name and I am always spelling Loews wrong. Usually spell check catches me on that. Must have been in a hurry. Good catch Calif_Sue. You are always good for a great laugh. And I do enjoy laughing at myself.

Carolyn, are there mini lights under each shelf?

I was going to raise medical marijuana but did not know where to get the seed. It is amazing how many Hispanics and Caucasian men are growing vegetables. When I go to the hydroponic store the place is packed with Hispanics and Caucasian young men picking up their supplies. I bet they could tell me where to get my seed.
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
2:47 AM

Post #7421651

You want to see something funny, Sharon. Look on Property Room, and see all the lighting. Property Room was set up to sell police confiscated items, although it's gone commercial, like everything else. But they have tons of super grow lights. And then, of course, you buy them, and shortly you get a visit from the local gendarme.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 3, 2010
3:20 AM

Post #7421731

Sharon

there are mini lights under each shelf. I was thinking I should get a timer to turn it on and off at specific times.
WormsLovSharon
Las Vegas, NV

January 3, 2010
3:33 AM

Post #7421760

I told the young men that own the hydroponic shop that I was surprised the DEA was not parked out front. I am not kidding, that shop is doing a lot of business.
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
3:35 AM

Post #7421763

Those men just love lettuce.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
9:38 AM

Post #7422330

LOL I grew "Vedgtables" in my back yard in the 80's oregano,I'm pretty sure.
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
1:48 PM

Post #7422572

My nephew planted some out in the back 40 here one year. I was so mad! Not that I wouldn't have enjoyed some vegetables, I just didn't want the fines that came with them.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
1:50 PM

Post #7422580

I ripped mine out when the garbage man took a romantic intrest in me.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 3, 2010
1:51 PM

Post #7422586

I would have been upset too. Kids don't seem to understand that it's your 'behind' too.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 3, 2010
1:52 PM

Post #7422591

Jo Ann - that is funny!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
1:54 PM

Post #7422599

He must have thought I needed help of some kind!!!!!!!
I was borne at night, but not last night.LOL

themoonhowl

themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)

January 3, 2010
1:59 PM

Post #7422619

My next door neighbor's uncle is with the sheriff's office. I planted Texas Red Stars down the length of a fence on that side of the house when we moved here...working in the yard one day, I heard voices and went around the house to find him and 4 other officers perusing the fence line...

I started laughing when I saw them and one of the deputies said "This is no laughing matter, Lady" My reply "Actually it is. This is TRS Hib. and quite legal, but if you will follow me..." Led them back over to the neighbor's yard all the way to the back by the overflow canal and showed them the two happy little plants growing freely on the edge of the canal..."This on the other hand, is not legal. I will be happy to give a TRS hib so you can take these and it for comparison training." They were very redfaced as you could see the two little plants from the side street they drove in on...grin

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
2:04 PM

Post #7422630

great story

themoonhowl

themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)

January 3, 2010
2:06 PM

Post #7422644

The really funny part is that they did take a small TRS Hib I had in a pot..."for comparison" grin
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
3:17 PM

Post #7422844

My nephew was only five years younger than me, Carolyn, although he was quite kid like. Kind of an even more laid back Cheech.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

January 3, 2010
3:36 PM

Post #7422903

[quote="pollyk"]My nephew was only five years younger than me, Carolyn, although he was quite kid like. Kind of an even more laid back Cheech. [/quote]

Laughed right outloud! My cats looked at me like I was strange!
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
3:41 PM

Post #7422927

Glad I gave a laugh on this wintry day. Pretty bad when the cats give us a look with all their strangeness.
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

January 3, 2010
4:34 PM

Post #7423092

Too funny - but here, in the 2nd highest producing state in the union, it's taken very seriously. 'Cause there's really nothing else to be paying attention to...
pollyk
Hannibal, NY
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2010
4:44 PM

Post #7423128

No moonshine? We used to live just outside of Nashville. Beautiful down there, but I would have liked to be farther from the city.
Pagancat
(Sheryl) Gainesboro, TN
(Zone 6b)

January 3, 2010
9:55 PM

Post #7424138

Believe it or not, they have some in the local liquor store. Packaged with a can of Mountain Dew. The guy at the counter said it wasn't the "good" stuff (he was going by alcohol %).

Now see, Polly - I'm about an hour and 1/2 outside of Nashville and I'm starting to wish I was a little further in. We have a medium sized town 30-40 minutes away, but when it takes that long to get to a place that doesn't have everything you need, well ...
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

January 4, 2010
11:37 PM

Post #7428249

Continuation: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1066911/

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