I was trying to decide where to start this thread. Obviously, the Weather Forum was the first thought, followed by maybe the Farm Forum. In the end, I settled on the Homesteading Forum, since we are kinda an offbeat bunch and this is something I imagine many of us try to do. :)
What kind of "signs" come to mind in forecasting the weather? Maybe based on animal behavior? I vaguely remember hearing many years ago, that the way cattle act in the pasture, is an indicator. Maybe atmospherically? "Red sky at night, sailors delight, red sky at morning, sailors take warning"...meaning a storm's a brewing?
Thanks for joining in. Yep, thought it would be fun. And it's something we can pass on to kids and grandkids. I forgot to include in my first post, that my woolly worms indicate I'll have a mild winter.
Caliche, I don't have ants up here like you, but that's interesting. Makes sense with the shaggy horses.
Porkpal...too funny! But seems to me I also heard/read somewhere that animals know ahead of time of bad weather coming in.
I have a major problem with moles here and had read that they hibernate. However, there are new tunnels showing up every day. Maybe another indication of a mild winter? I can only dream. LOL!
If the horses starting running in a circle in the field being very noisy, acting very upset and its also a stormy night (of course) get under ground... a tornado's on the way.
also when there is a tornado coming chickens will flatten to the ground so flat you can barely see them.
Cows will line up along a fence when its going to lightening.
Whatever day of the month is snows on (like the 24th of Dec here) you will get that many inches of snow, that many days of snow or that many snow storms.
(need to edit on the other thread... forgot about the number of day's part!)
I've seen all of these work at some point in my life.
I think animals can detect an earthquake long before we do.
When we were young we lived in Huntington Beach California, and had a dog and cat who hated each other. The dog harassed the cat, endlessly.
One day I looked out the patio door and saw them lying close together but very alert, in the very middle of the back yard. Thinking it very strange, I watched them, and shortly was knocked off my feet by a strong earthquake. Everything was falling off shelves and knocked over out in the yard. These two 'enemies' just stuck it out where it was safe.
After the earth settled down to aftershocks, the pet war resumed like nothing had happened. LOL
Turtles (land version, think box turtle, can't spell what they are really called) will be seen moving to higher ground a couple days before you are going to get lots of rain.
those black wooly worms.. if you get bunches of them they are good indicators of very bad winter to come.
ur welcome msrobin..
not so much a folkstale/wives tale because it just my cats that did this that I know of. May 8th of this year our town was hit with what they call a type of inland hurricane. 100 mph winds. It was awful. it hit at 7:03 am that morning. at 6 am my cats got on the bed & started making noise, bothering me & such. I ignored it & rolled over to go back to sleep, they kept it up & I rolled back putting a pillow on my head. I was not getting up yet. This was the morning of my nephews funeral & I was not prepared for this morning at all. I just growled at them & stuffed my head further under the pillow. Katie, one of my cats, burrowed under my pillow, stood up & pushed it off of me. Twitch, my other cat took her place real quick & started slapping my face with her little paws (thankfully she's declawed), when i just tried to roll away they both started slapping at me & butting their heads into my head. Sassy my other cat was in my mom's room fussing at her & my dog was whining. Mom finally gave up & got up, Sassy left her & went down stairs moaning, whining, crying trying to make mom follow her. My feet hit the floor 3 minutes later & I started for the stairs grumbling at them, they got in front of me trying to get me to follow faster, like they were impatient to eat. 30 seconds after my feet hit the floor the hit the side of the house so hard my bed moved a few inches from the wall. The cats hit the floor running & went to the basement. The dog had all her hair standing on end. It was scary. Never seen wind like that in my life. Trees were nearly doubling over it was blowing so hard. Its the first time in my life I was afraid to be near a window to watch. The wind was coming west to east so we got on the east side of the house & stayed. Mom in the stairwell & I stood in the middle of the living room watching for trees that might land on the neighbors house. (i'd promised the people living in two different houses I'd come for them if a tree trapped them) Most of our town & the surrounding towns were without electricity for near 2 weeks.
the animals knew this was bad. They knew it was coming. Our weather people didn't even see it coming till it hit us. it lasted 30 minutes. longest 30 minutes of our lives. It was worse than a tornado. i do not ignore the cats anymore when they fuss like that. I get mom up & send her to the basement immediately .
When I first moved out here in the country, I was kind of nervous about bad weather possibly moving in and not having any warning. We live on an open hilltop, don't have a basement, couldn't get a local tv station tuned in for weather info and there had recently been a couple of mild earthquakes. These kind of animal signals could be life savers.
our "basement" is only the lower level with a 4 ft concrete wall on one side. It was suppose to be a garage but the family before us turned it into a bedroom & family room. I'd give anything for a concrete capped ICF room attached to the house. big enough for all my cats & the dogs.
DH says he'll put a big root cellar in for me...but that follows the much needed room addition...and the roof over the front deck so we have some shade out here. But I do have a 30' deep gulley that I can hunker down in. LOL!
does it work? We have steel siding & they won't work in here. I just pray my internet stays on so i can check weather. and we have a good radio station that has only went off air I think twice due to weather in 6 yrs.
I thought of another one when i looked out my window this morning. For the last 2 days the snow birds have been flocking. This morning.. we have snow! Mom always said when i was a kid, watch for the snow birds, when they show up, you're snow is on its way. You rarely see them till its about to snow then they show up in huge amounts. i counted 23 this morning at the feeders.
Are these the same birds that kind of fly in swarms, land in large flocks on an open field and then will also congregate in the top of the bare trees, chattering away? Seeing a lot of this lately. Kind of reminds me of Hitchcock's "The Birds".
Cow - A cow with its tail to the west, makes weather the best; A cow with its tail to the east, makes weather the least.
This New England saying from the USA has much truth in it. The natural instinct of animals is to graze with their tails into the wind. If a predator tries to attack from behind, the wind blows their scent to the animal in danger. In the northern hemisphere, east winds often bring rain and west winds often bring fair weather so the grazing animal's tail becomes a weather sign.
Pod, if your correct about the frosts in April I guess we can look forward to eating Peruvian peaches that year. lol Haven't seen any lighting yet this month but Thursday afternoon will be the next chance for it I think.
Our weather, rain included, tends to come from the west or the north, so I guess that ol' saw changes depending on which side of the Appalachians you're on?
Buffalo run with the wind... which made for some interesting times trying to get the shots of stampeding buffalo in 'Dances with Wolves'. Apparently the director had the animal handlers try to drive the herd into the wind several times, so the dust would not obscure the shot... and several times the buffalo herd turned and ran over the pickup trucks the handlers were driving to chase the herd. You'll notice the humans finally gave up and let the buffalo go in the direction they wanted...
My dogs start trying to bang the back door down if there's a storm coming... though the storms seem to be getting smaller... it's getting to where if the sun ducks behind a cloud anymore they start in. Wimps. =0)
Red sky at morning... probably means you're in the southwest somewhere. Red sky at night... probably means you're in the southwest somewhere. LOL
The donks start braying for dinner early if a storm is moving in that's going to hit at their usual feeding time. They're a bit more accurate than my wussy dogs.
I think there's a bunch that I take note of, but can't bring up into consciousness... I just respond appropriately when I see the critters acting a peculiar way.
Ah... the crows come down out of the mountains before a big storm.
May be, but they obviously don't like getting their hooves cold/wet either, as they aren't moving around the pasture at all. Curious to see what they do when the owners come to feed this afternoon. The cows usually run up to the pickup carrying the feed.
We eagerly await your observations... now what with climate change, we must begin anew to craft our weather observations and reliable observations of cows, et. al. will be at the heart of our system...
I can't always get the radio in clear, but I can always see a cow around here! LOL
Quoting:now what with climate change, we must begin anew to craft our weather observations and reliable observations of cows, et. al. will be at the heart of our system...
I can't always get the radio in clear, but I can always see a cow around here! LOL
Two observations still underway...1) we're on day 3 of snow fall, about 4" of snow so far and 2) the cattle aren't huddled up as much as the past two days.
We've had.. 4 days of snow.. combined inches... 15" i believe.. this one was had to measure.. 10" in one spot.. 5" in one spot in the yard.. so who knows. It drifted pretty badly. They claimed we only got 7" so that's what i'm going by.. ( I want more snow too...so that's why i'm agreeing with the weather man.)
I knew I was forgetting something in that last post! The first snow for me this winter was January 7th... so 7 days, 7 inches or 7 snow storms? We've had ...6 days, 10" and only 1 would be considered a storm.
I measured out in the yard where it was level, because we had a lot of drifting, too.
my yard is mostly on a hill.. we were measuring in the flattest parts, like driveway, then the road, then a few places in the yard but out from under trees.
24th of Dec, 2 storms, only snowed 4 days tho overall...
Took us nearly all afternoon to get some good sledding tracks made, we built in turns & bumps. The kids were to be here all day today to sled, their mom called this morning, they had to be home early. waaaay early bc she forgot their fathers bday. Talk about some very unhappy kids. They are praying they can come back & night sled tonight for a couple hours. We've got 8 tracks, various speeds & skill levels made. The bunny track for the toddlers... clear to the speed demon for the less accident prone ones. (curves around a tree halfway down)
LOL come on porkpal... I'm hoping the kids can come back either tonight or tomorrow night to sled after dark. When the sun goes down the tracks ice back up & they get even faster! We pulled out the metal disk sled & beeswaxed it too. :) it really slides if your small enough to sit on it.
counted 12 snow birds. :) suppose to snow more tomorrow.. not a lot.. but anything helps!
I was so happy.. i went out on my porch to feed the cats this morning & behold it was warm! (barefoot of course) the wooden floor was so very toasty warm from the morning sun. I just stood there in my pj's & soaked up my fake spring weather. i love my snow but i long for spring.. I hate being inside so much.
I just saw 3 geese flying NW. That means they think the worst is over. hehe. No robins have been around the past few days so they agree with the geese. Yaaaay. The weather liars are saying it will be warmer over the next 7 days. Yaaaay.
geese have been flying NW here all winter.. and spring.. and fall.. and summer. hundreds of them! i gave up on that one. Then the next day they fly south.. & then N again.. back & forth like they are lost. :)
I've also heard..
When bluebirds appear spring is here!
problem with this.. my bluebirds never leave! Snow birds are still here tho.. so winters not gone yet. when they leave spring is usually a couple weeks out.
I'm late seeing this thread. Just as well as I have nothing to add!
Apropos of nothing... did you know cows can lose half their body heat and still survive?
I remember the winter my NC town had snow after snow until it was over 6' deep and the farmer's couldn't get out to feed cattle. The National Guard was assigned the job of dropping hay bales from helicopters but had to be stopped because they were dropping them on the cattle and killing them!
YO Whats with all that mountain top removal? Looks awfull! Ever here of Betsy.Kentucky? I was in the Marines with a cat from there.Said he had no drive,only a path to his folks home.And that they heated with coal,which thet dug from a seam right behind their house .
EoM, Mt Airy is about an hour away as the crow flies. By road, it's an hour and a half... It's mostly foothills, not as rugged as the mountains, but not flat, either.
NC passed the 'Ridge Law' legislation years ago forbidding building right atop the peaks, but passed nothing about mountaintop removal nor clear-cutting. I lived in Boone off and on for years. I swear it will soon all be flat; it's worse every time I visit, which is several times a year.
About 80% of my county here in SW Virginia is National Forest, and so far it's fairly well-protected.
well heres a few things i always heard growing up
if the cows are laying down the fish arent bitting
cut open a persimmon and look and see if it has a spoon knife or fork inside of it
tell by the bush on a squirels tale
Cats scratch a post before a wind, wash their faces before a rain, and sit with their back toward the fire before a snow.
-- If a rooster crows at night, there will be rain by morning.
-- Pigs gather leaves and straw before a storm.
-- If cows lie down and refuse to go to pasture, you can expect a storm to blow up soon.
-- If a dog starts to whine for no reason, you can expect a major storm -- possibly a tornado.
-- Birds on a telephone wire predict the coming of rain.
-- The darker the woolly bearís (warm) coat, the more severe the winter will be. If there is a dark stripe at the head and one at the end, the winter will be severe at the beginning, become mild, then get worse just before spring.
-- When dogs eat grass, you can expect a severe storm.
Other than farmers, ships at sea were most affected by the weather. And since animals (except rats and the legendary pirateís parrot) were rare on ships, sailors used current weather conditions, the position of the moon, as well as the behavior of sea life, to determine whether they should batten down the hatches.
-- If porpoises frolic at sea, expect a storm.
-- Red sky at morning, sailor take warning; red sky at night, a sailorís delight.
-- A falling meteor predicts fair weather.
-- The appearance of gulls overhead does not mean rain, but fair skies instead.
-- If rain falls while the sun shines, then the shower will last half an hour.
-- If rats in the hold climb out on deck, it will be a fair day.
-- If the sail no longer catches the wind, then expect a violent storm to blow up in just a few hours.
-- If a quarter moon lies on his back, it is holding the rain. However, if it tips over, grab your slicker.
-- If salt pork turns sour, then be ready for a shower.
-- Blue sky in the northwest foretells fair weather and a good breeze.
-- If the moon rises red and appears very large, then rain is only a half day away.
Other than groundhogs, badgers and bears, other wildlife -- especially insects and bugs -- can be depended upon to predict the coming weather conditions. In Britain, for instance, loud singing crickets predict the coming of violent storms. If spiders weave their webs before noon, then it will be fair weather. Ants are supposed to be busier before a storm, as are cockroaches.
-- Locusts sing when the air is hot and dry.
-- When toads appear in large numbers, you can expect rain.
-- If bears and horses get thick coats early, then expect a severe winter.
-- Squirrels are busier gathering nuts before a bad winter.
-- If wasps build their nests high, a severe winter is on its way.
Forecast this:60* and sunny.I love when a plan comes together. P.S Looking for some heirloom,corn,cukes,pea`s,beans,squash.peppers,and tomato`s. May be a late start but I need the seed.Will compensate.But only for people that need. Give me a d-g or black mail what ever it is and I will foreward said $.No hybrid need apply.
Let me go through my seeds... how about eggplant?
Does it have to be heirloom? I've got OP seeds, but not all of them are heirloom.
Read once that back in colonial days they would fell the trees to open up the canopy, and plant around them where they lay... finish limbing and removing them after harvest. How they got the crops in ASAP.
Anyone heard of Blackberry winter? We have it here.. it gets into the upper 80's sometimes 90's for a week the end of April or the first of May.. then it plummets to the 30's & 40's for 2 weeks. Afterwards the blackberries bloom out. We know that when blackberry winter gets here Summer is only a couple weeks away.
Predicting the weather is like writing: Anybody can do it, but not everybody gets paid for it. Before the ascent of farmer-forecaster Willard Scott, gardeners looked to nature for weather signals. Many still do, and sometimes they are as right as TV meteorologists.
Sunny days to come:
ē Heavy dew on the evening grass
ē Swallows soaring high
ē Beetles and bats flying in the evening
No need to water:
ē Spiders reinforcing their webs
ē Trees turning up their leaves
ē Clover contracting its leaves
In the end, though, the verse by Reginald Arkell may sum it all up:
A gardenerís life
Is full of sweets and sours.
He gets the sunshine
When he needs the showers.
According to folk wisdom, when the brown bands on fall woolly bears are narrow, it means a harsh winter is coming. The wider the brown band, the milder the winter will be.
(Today, entomologists agree that woolly worms are not accurate predictors of winter weather. Many variables may contribute to changes in the caterpillar's coloration, including larval stage, food availability, temperature or moisture during development, age, and even species.}
Also according to folk legend, when you hear the first song of the dog-day cicadas, it means there's just six weeks until frost.
Welcome Crit! Don't know much about the history of my town name. We're transplants here and can't find much info.
Heard the first cicadas 2-3 weeks ago. Can't imagine having a frost the 2nd week of September, but anythings possible.
I've had the same problem with earlier than usual stuff. Junebearer strawberries produced in May. May Peonies bloomed in April. All the cole crops did fantastic till early May, then bit the dust. Hate to see winter coming, but I'm sure sick of the heat. However...knock on wood...this week has been wonderful, temperature-wise.
I need to go back and read this whole thread, because I've forgotten most everything mentioned.
I recently heard some older folks at a cafe discussing their weather lore...they where discussing that the first hard freeze happens 90 days after the first summer cold front. ...I didn't stick around long enough to hear how they determined the first one.
Been too busy to notice any of the folklore signs, but I did notice that some of our trees have leaves falling off and changing color already. It's hard to imagine having a really hard winter, after this summer of excessive heat. Why can't it just be mild winter with warmer than average temps? I know...wishful thinking. LOL!
msrobin wrote:Been too busy to notice any of the folklore signs, but I did notice that some of our trees have leaves falling off and changing color already. It's hard to imagine having a really hard winter, after this summer of excessive heat. Why can't it just be mild winter with warmer than average temps? I know...wishful thinking. LOL!
I have leafs turning colors and falling also but I think itís more from the heat that anything else. I since we didnít get any rain yesterday I will have to start soaking my plum trees this morning. The leafs are looking bad and starting to curl. I just wish we would get a good soaking rain.
Gonna throw my 2c worth in here. We went from 100+ one week to 80's the next week ... now back to the 100's. I'd say that was our 'summer cold front', and 90 days would be the end of November. Sounds about right.
I don't know the difference between a 'dog-day cicada' and a plain ole noisy cicada, but I know they have been howling here! Don't think we will have frost as early as mid October. However, I have seen it snow on Oct. 22 here. I remember 'cause it is a friends birthday. Didn't snow a lot or stick much, but still snowed.
I've seen the leaves turn and fall early because of the lack of water and heat. It is a coping mechanism, conserving it's energy.
Donít know. Last winter and this summer have been so screwed up most anything can happen now. However I believe we are going to have an unusually cold and dry winter. I hope Iím wrong but I think our weather patterns are starting to change. I guess we will find out for sure when it happens.
Yep, weíre just misunderstood by the rest of the world. Lol But right now Iím on cloud nine Ö we got a little over 2 and a half inches of rain this morning. We could use about ten more but I wonít complain about what we got. This has been one of hottest summers I can remember.
Starting Monday I think is our next chance of rain. Sure hope we get some more of it soon cause itís going to take a bunch to get caught up. Thereís what looks like light rain near us now on the radar but then again it might just be ground clutter. Must be getting a little over anxious after that first taste of rain the other day. lol
Couldn't find a specific thread but here is a ton of them... some are pretty obscure and some you will see used frequently. There are plenty more but this is more than enough.
SASE = Self Addressed Stamped Envelope
LSASE = Large Self Addressed Stamped Envelope
BSASE or SASBE = Bubble Self Addressed Stamped Envelope or Self Addressed Stamped Bubble Envelope
WB - welcome back (LOL - laugh out loud
LOLOLOL - a belly laugh for sure
ROTFL or ROFL - rolling on the floor laughing
:) is a quick smile -
DH, DW - dear husband or dear wife
DS, DD - dear son, dear daughter
MIL, FIL, SIL, DIL, BIL - the inlaws (or as my brother-in-law and I call ourselves, the outlaws.) SIL can be son- or sister-in-law
TYVM - thank you very much
TTFN - ta ta for now - if you've ever watched Winnie the Pooh, you'll get that one. If not, it's just a way of saying goodbye.
((())) - or some number of parenthetical marks - it's a hug.
SO ..significant other
HTH=Hope this helps
TTYL=Talk to ya later
FOMCLOL=Falling outta my chair laughing out loud
addy - address (as in E-Mail)
AFK - Away From Keyboard
BBIAB - Be Back In A Bit
BBL - Be Back Later
BBS - Be Back Soon
BFN - Bye For Now
bg - big grin
BION - Believe It Or Not
BRB - Be Right Back
BTW - By The Way
CUA - Commonly Used Acronym(s) or Common User Access
CWYL - Chat With Ya Later
cya - see ya
eg - evil grin
FAQ - (list of) Frequently Asked Question(s)
FUD - (spreading) Fear, Uncertainty & Disinformation
FWIW - For What It's Worth
FYI - For Your Information
g - grin
G - big grin
GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out
GIWIST - Gee, I Wish I'd Said That
GMTA - Great Minds Think Alike
GR&D - Grinning, Running & Ducking
HHOK - Ha Ha, Only Kidding
HTH - Hope This Helps
HTHBE - Hope This Has Been Enlightening
IMHO - In My Humble Opinion
IMO - In My Opinion
IOW - In Other Words
IRL - In Real Life
ITRW - In The Real World
j/k - just kidding
JMHO - Just My Humble Opinion
OTOH on the other hand
Thanks podster. There are a bunch of those that I already use, but a BUNCH of them that are new to me. I've seen several on DG but didn't know what they meant. I just tried to figure them out. :-) I appreciate you taking the time to write all that out for me. You're a peach.
New to the forum here learning quite a bit from everyone here, but I wanted to post one that I heard from my husbands grandpa.
When the flies get sticky frost is a couple weeks away
Didn't pay much attention to it but then I noticed come mid to late September the flies would circle and never leave you alone when we visited the farm. Sure enough a couple weeks later we had a light frost. Kinda scared about this winter though, the flies were sticky last week.
There is something to that fly business. Right before a cool front comes thru, we notice the flies cover up the large plate glass windows at work. They will flock indoors when the door gets opened. The weather change is predictable and your Grandpa in law is right on the money with this one!
And, welcome to this forum. Hope to see you often... pod
No way... no rain here.
And when will this humidity ever end?
I do NOT remember a summer this grim in recent years. (or is it just me ~lol)
Please remind me of that when I gripe about cold and shorter winter days.
According to The Weather Channel, the states that had excessive heat this summer, will stay warm going into winter.
However, according to The Farmer's Almanac, winter is going to be cooler and drier than normal.
I'm becoming quite an expert at weather forecasting for my south central Kentucky location. When there's a massive storm cell with lots of rain headed across the midwest. I quarantee that when it hits the stateline, it WILL start breaking up and go all around me. Been doing it to me all summer.
Our Ohio summer has been unspeakably dry and hot. Have heard that this winter should not be as bad as last, but that isn't saying much; haven't seen so much snow or felt so much cold since I was a wee girl back east.
Know what you mean out the pipes. Turned the water off at the cabin but last month when I turned it back on I was greeted with several broken ones inside the wall. So I have decided to redo the bathroom along with them since I will have to pull out part of the wall to fix the pipes anyway. If it's not one thing it's another.
So far every oldtimer we've got here is saying its going to snow before thanksgiving & not thaw till March. :) I can't wait! Wooly bugs are huge... and fuzzy. which usually means a cold winter. Trees are already turning for the last 3 weeks.. we've kinda had an early fall. A bit of a warm up this weekend but otherwise its been in the 70's by day & low 60's by nite.
I can always tell when the rain/storms are approching. My fibromyalga flares up and I start hurting all over. Since I have developed arthritis in my thumbs, they really get to hurting a day or so before it storms. Also, the change in weather barometer pressure give me migraines. I may be a mess, but I know when a storm is coming. LOL
Here's one I haven't seen; When the hornets build close to the ground there won't be much snow. Last winter here was a real corker and the hornets were high in the trees. If I see any up there this year I'll knock them to the ground myself!!!! I sure pray we don't have another winter like last year. It nearly killed me and the animals. Everything is comng down off the hill in back of the house before cold sets in. Already have the goats and half the chickens down. One more chicken pen to build and I'll be set with them. Then just the horses to fix up. I'd sure love to sell 4 of them. Wish DH could wrap his head around the idea. He hates to see them go and I do too but it's inevitable. Leaves are falling here. Not turning colors, just turning loose. Way too dry. The creeks are all drying up. We need rain something fierce. Welcome to the new folks.
I did some more research online a couple of days ago and it seems like all indicators happen 2-6 months before the first frost. Don't recall the links, but I think I googled "folklore frost predictors".
We did get our first frost this morning. A little early this year. [sigh]
Cajun, good thinking! I thought about it all summer, but didn't want to let go of the money to order any. Plus I'd have to decide which rows I was willing to sacrifice, since I couldn't cover the whole garden. DUH, that's exactly what I'm doing now, by covering selected rows with sheets. lol
I got mine at Lowes. It was only $10 but I just have the one small bed 4X6.
I put 5 gallon buckets along the outside of the bed and cut poles from the woods to lay across the buckets. I'll drape the cloth over the poles and weight it down with rocks.
Lightening (thunder) in January will correlate with frosts in April and it is usually correct within a day or two.
We had some lightening ( no thunder ) last night ~ we'll see if we have frost on April 4th!
Cool, Podster! There is some truth to that. All of my onions this past summer and fall had thin skins, and this was the worst winter I've seen here (in 9 years) with more bitter cold days and more snowfall and rain.
Well, thank Heavens the skins weren't tough! LOL I thought it was a little rougher winter than usual here, but I've been spoiled by the mild winters in this part of Kentucky where we had loads of 50*+ winter days. However, there has been a lot worse that we could have had, had it not gone around us.
down here my parents & gr. parents would not plant hot weather crops till the fig trees leafed out. in the late 80's i remember it got to april 1, everything else had been leafed out for a month or more but the figs were holding tight. i planted eggplant, and okra and sure enough we got a frost and cold front. i wait for the figs now whether that be in feb or april or somewhere in between
I did not realize they grew that far north. We had lots of them back home. They are famous for shedding limbs but don't let them go to waste. Try laying some of them on top of the charcoal when you grill. It will give your meat an out of this world good taste. Mmm
Actually, it sounds like they will tell us two different things. I know the pecans budding out here are a sure sign that there will be no more frosts.
If I followed FlSusies' post, the fig trees will let you know when it is safe to plant "hot weather" crops. Like okra, peppers, eggplant, etc. I watch the local pecans for budding out and last year planted a fig so will keep an eye on it too.
10 inches is nothing for Joplin.. its up to 20 inches now... possibly gonna increase to above 20 inches :) last big snow... we got 36 inches in 14 hours. We are under a blizzard warning, severe winter storm warning & hazardous weather warning. 1 inch of ice/sleet under it all. Birds were fighting over the feeders today trying to get well fed before they find somewhere to hide... 50 mph winds coming in.. and it drives me nuts bc being pregnant i can't lift what i normally do or do things i normally do ( i tend to test my guardian angels patience & give them heart attacks)... i have to be safe.. therefore i can't be out there up on the roof in the rain battening down the hatches on my chicken coops... just have to make due with what little i told my DH how to do. Normally i'd have them tucked in so tight all they would hear is wind... but they may have a few ice covered tail feathers this time due to small holes in the plastic sheeting that's up there. Still gotta string the cord & plug in the heat lamps... and find our kerosene heater bc they are calling for power outages starting early tomorrow.
looks like I'm talking to some of my friends nieghbers up there in Mo. They've been saying a little further north around Bourban/Sullivan and up BLIZZARD conditions. I feel for all ya'll caught in it, most of my family lives in around that area. I was in Ky last Feb when we had all the ice, and let me tell ya, It was'nt fun. Some folks did'nt get power back for a month.
Some of the folks around our area were hit pretty hard, glad ya'll did'nt lose power for to long. They reported on the news that a lot of folks tried to heat their house with unvented burners, some folks died from it. I wished there would have been more that I could have done, but you cant get to every one. I think in my area, Central city, and Brheman, wer hit the hardest. You could'nt even drive down 431 for about a week, it was pretty messed up.
They kept our main road clear and we are lucky to live on the main road but our driveway was treacherous. We had to leave our van and truck parked at the church up the hill. The truck couldn't be started because it is a diesel and has to be plugged in to keep the block warm or it won't start even with 2 batteries. We had to get a friend with a 4 wheeler to bring us up the mountain to feed 2 of our horses. We heated with a kerosene heater but had to stay in one room. Problem was, even when we were able to get out to town there were no supplies to be had. And it was like that a long time after. My Mom sent "D" batteries from La for our flashlight. We are much better prepared this year but are so glad we haven't had any problems so far. Hope and pray it stays that way.
greykyttyn wrote:@Crit - I live just a mile off i-44 so we get everything...got 10 inches of snow on the way right now.
We have 12 inches right now and it is going to continue to about 4:00 or so. So un-natural for us to get this much at one time, but this is the 2nd one in 2 years. The other one was not considered a 'blizzard' like this one is ... but we got about 10 inches that time. Buildings are collapsing. The new Hard Rock had the roof on the new poker room that hasn't been opened that long collapse! They said it was the size of 3 football fields. No one hurt, it had begun leaking water and they evacuated the area. I'm huddled down in the comfy recliner, fire in the fireplace, not going ANYWHERE! The farthest I venture is to take the fur babies outside to potty. One of them is 16 and blind, so it is especially hard on her. I am letting them potty on the patio because it just has a little snow on it. Hunker down, it's coming your way!
Cajun, sounds like ya'll got hit pretty hard also.we lost power for 1 day down in Hopkins ville, but for us having the horses out there in Crofton, turned out to be a lot of work. They got hit hard, and the road going into our property was coverd with downed trees. We packed feed & hay in about a mile because we couldnt get a truck down the road. Couple days of chainsawing and the help of friends and neighbers and we had the road back open though. Thank God for friends and neighbers!
Crit, arent you close to OKC? My dad is in Midwest City I think he said ya'll got a lot of ice that tore up trees realy bad down there.
Yes, I am a little under 2 hours up the Turner Turnpike from OKC. We got a lot of freezing rain and sleet before the snow started. It is really piling up out there. Temp is 9, windchill -11, with the really strong winds coming in later this afternoon. It's pretty well 'white out' condiditons. Blizzard warnings, winter storm warnings, just about all of the winter 'warnings' you would expect. Some of the snowdrifts are getting close to the top of the houses. I don't remember having over a foot of snow since I was a little girl when we use to get a lot of snow every winter. I remember icicles 6' long hanging from the eaves and the snow about swallowed me. lol
We bought a gasoline generator last year before a bad storm was coming in, so at least we can have light and heat (and my husband says, 'as long as the TV works, I'm good. LOL) Went to the grocery Sunday, and have a full pantry and freezer, so we can eat.
We are lucky our horses are just across the road, but that will be a trek with the snow like it is. DH went over and got their feed pans at 3 a.m. this morning, before they got covered with snow. :-) We will just have to go to the pond and break ice for water. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Going to be like this until Friday, then it may get up to 40. I don't think I can make it into work this week. Told my boss Monday, I was going to call in 'snow' (instead of 'sick') tomorrow. She said, I don't expect to see you all week. lol
Crit, wow sounds like you guys got alot already. I was watching the news and they're sasying they've already shut the airport down, and a whole lot more snow coming.Glad ya'll had the forethought about the gen and the grocerys! Could have been a long ride out with out those. I hope my dad had enough sense to do the same. Gonna call'm and check on him. Not much I could do for him here in Tucson though
We did get snow on the mountains yesterday and last night. We got rain and some wind down here i n the foot hills though.Stay warm!
The only thing I'm short on is my meds. It's a narcotic and he won't refill until it is due, which is Thursday. That is, if they are even in the office to get my refill order. Hope I have enough that if I space them out and go as long as I can before letting the pain get too bad, I can make it through.
Just took some water out to the birdbath, shook the birdfeeders to get the snow out of the little holes and seed out, and threw some seed on the ground. Of course it sunk down a way, but I suppose they can get it. Was 13" where I measured in my back yard.
13" that alot aready, how much more are ya'll expecting? well, I hope your pills hold out for ya. Nothing worse than being cold and hurtin'. I talked to my brother in Dallas and he said the snow flakes were coming in the size of hamsters. Said they got some ice also, truck doors frooze closed.
Just got off the phone with my dad, he said it finaly slowed down on the snow fall, now if they (OKC) could just keep the realy inteligent people(lol) off the roads, they might get it cleared, down there. Hope you guys are well suplied, it looked pretty cold and forbearing up there. I'm sure glad I'm in Tucson right now! Wont be long though, I'll be in Crofton,Ky full time. Just glad I'm not there now!
It's pretty bad. Semi's backed up on the highways unable to move. Airport closed. Turnpikes closed. Malls closed. County business' closed. Schools closed. Frigid temps and windchills. Not about the 20's until Saturday when it is suppose to get to 38. It is miserable. 3* here this morning, winchills -15 to -25. UGH! DH just went out to feed the horses. We usually only feed at night, but are feeding 2x a day in this.
We had a little ice on the buckets this morning i noticed. But not much. I talked to my cousin this morning to check on them and she said out in St Charels, Mo they got 20" of snow, did'nt say how much ice though. They've been trapped in the house with six young boys. I think they are at the point of needing a very stiff drink!
I sure feel for all of you in the midwest -- cold enough here in northern Arizona, high today only 20 degrees and supposed to be well below zero again tonight -- but Happy Groundhog Day to everyone! Note that I refuse to say "season's greetings" or "happy holidays" -- to me it will always be Groundhog Day!
I hope you all had a wonderful Groundhog Day. We had the traditional Groundhog Day dinner, roast groundhog with cranberry BBQ sauce. We finished the meal with cups of yummy Hog Nog, and sang the carol, "Muskrat Love".
our ground hog saw his shadow... it was bright, not a cloud in the sky. the deer are having to jump not walk thru the snow... heard a fox last night.. they are jumping as well.. its sad.
22 inches was last & final count.. in our yard.. 24 to 26 in other areas up here. snow drifts as high as 5 ft in areas. 4 ft in our yard and we are on a slight hill. 1 in of sleet. Neighbor has a front loader.. he cleared the road & our drives because we are outside of town & they wont' clear it.. BUT of course.. work can dock you points & pay for not coming in. We were declared a state of ememergeny & the city was shut down for 2 days. I ventured out into it to get milk because we didn't buy enough.. bought the last 3 gallons in the store.. 1 being chocolate. ... Did go sledding.. will go again tonight or tomorrow. both toddlers stayed inside.. 1 still has a rattle from pnuemonia... the other one.. i swear you wouldn't see anything but her eyeballs above the snow. more snow coming Friday thru Sunday... baby appointment on Friday morning.. hopefully i can get there. hate to miss the first one. roads are NOT clear here yet.. just snow packed. slick.. idiots out driving 45 mph on snow packed roads... and slamming on breaks.. no break tapping.. no 25 mph driving.. just a lets see how fast we can go & hit that ditch kind of driving. venturing out with two older kids in about half an hour to get cat food, dog food, chicken feed & bird feed. animals think they are starving.. they've been rationed bc my DH "forgot" in the excitement of the snow.. that we needed extra food since we wouldn't be able to get it from the store. 7 cats in the house & one dog.. going stir crazy.. they want out.. too cold.. wind chill warning.. can freeze lungs. its zero here. -40 with windchill tonight. -28 last night with wind chill. our bedroom is not insulated... we have a little Amish fireplace.. electric... it was 45 degrees this morning. 9 blankets on the bed.. it was.. 75 under the covers.. talk about not wanting to get out of bed!
Grey, sounds like you guys got a lot! I have family up around the St Louis area, they got alot also.I think it was back around 93 or so, I lived in the Sullivan area, and we got six inch's of ice then snowed on top of that. It made for a very rough existence for a few weeks. Especialy working on a horse ranch, ice on the bucketsand troughs, busting ice on the ponds. Feeding, and I lived a couple of miles from the barn, couldnt take the truck so I rode a 4 wheeler, man that was cold. But it was alot of fun car hooding on it.
Did you see the wreck off of the bridge at Spring River near Miami on the news? So tragic, so sad. I watched the rescue/recovery this morning on the news. I still don't know if I want to try and venture out. Although I have a front wheel drive, I have to cross the Arkansas River at either Keystone Dam or on 97 thru Sand Springs. Don't want to be a loafer and the only one not there...but don't want to be the only fool that got out and got there (or not)
I think it is the fact that it is covering so much of the nation that makes it 'historical'.
I do have a 4WD Chevy Z71. I can't even get my car out of the garage because of a snowdrift in front of it. I'm just not going out at all. The people in the Spring River accident were in a Chevy Avalance pickup. I am not pushing my luck and taking ANY chances.
They are calling for 8-12" more, on top of what we have, in the coming week. Chance on Sunday and again Wednesday or Thursday. This is one of the snowdrifts on top of my house.
Yes, we have plenty of food and a generator in case we lose power.
Tulsa reported 3.5" for today's s***. We have had quite a few roof cave-in's already. Casino had a poker room the size of 3 football fields collapse, business', church's, homes. It's really bad. Our roof has a good slant to it and sets N/S, so it doesn't stack up much. The pic of the snowdrift is on my south end gable.
They keep saying its Historical for Joplin tho... that's what it on our news.. in our paper.. they've never seen this much snow in 100 yrs here... Mom has pictures she dug out where in the 70's they got 48 inches... in about 24 hours...
we got 2 inches this afternoon... Crit... are you suppose to get the total 5 to 7 inches we are tomorrow & Sunday as well?
Hey Grey, when I was younger back in 1970 something I remember getting over 2' in less than 10 hrs. Of course I loved it, no school for me. But yeah I think like they said earlier its the over all expanse of the storm thats monumental.
Cajun, did you tell me you were way east Ky?
Well kytten ... maybe it is young journalists who weren't around in the 70's. lol I remember as a kid the snow being almost as tall as I was, that was in the early 60's. 6' icicles hanging from the roof. My mom has pictures of them in her photo albums.
We got 3.5" officially in Tulsa yesterday. They are calling for 8-12" on top of what we have this coming week. Storm Sunday and again Wednesday or Thursday. I need to get my WS containers planted and outside!
She did it on a regular basis. Likely would not have fallen if my aunt had not fussed at her to come down. She always walked with a limp after that. She was a smart little gal. She would fall and play dead if you pretended to shoot her. :)
LOL. I had a dog that would do that. Also when someone who was visiting was leaving, I would say "would you rather go home with so and so, or be a dead dog?"... and she would flop over and be dead. It was a hoot.
If anyone wants a good laugh, go to this thread on youtube. It is my granddaughter playing with her Rat Terrier. The funniest part is at the very end when you see the dog look over the edge and you hear this soft little 'ow'. I didn't hear it the first time, I was laughing so hard. Heard it when I replayed it for DH. Be prepared, she is a "squeeler".
i'm almost afraid to post this but the fig i planted last summer has leafed out. even for here thats early. fall crops are almost finished but compost isn't. i think i'll plant squash and cukes in between the br. sprouts (they're mostly stalks now) and top dress with compost in a couple of weeks. wish me luck, i'll keep you posted.
being a young unestablished plant it may be confused, but if not and i plant squash and cukes now i might get a pretty good crop before the heat, humidity and mildew gets 'em. i always get better crops from these 2 with august plantings but i still plant a few in spring.
5 to 9 more inches of snow for us... still got 8 in on the ground. I found out my car slides sideways very well.. its cattywompous of the driveway now.. stuck. thankfully i can still get mom's Escalade around it. I slid all over the place trying to get my DH to work this morning. AND i grew up driving in it.. i know how to drive in it. First time I've had this much trouble. I was driving so slow it barely registered on the gauge. Birds are eating so fast i can't keep food in the feeders. Grackles are pigs.. they run off my song birds. Got to find a way to get them to stop eating my feed.
sad news... we found out we miscarried due to an antibotic i had been on by my general doc that he assured me was safe.
almanac says todays the day so i'll plant squash and cukes outside and start some others inside. worked in the yard and garden yesterday and noticed barbados and surinam cherries are leafing out and i found lots of tomato, marigold, and nasturtium volunteers coming up in the garden. weathers been on the mild side for last week or 2 and only mild fronts predicted for the next week. Greykyttyn, my heart goes out to you. BIG HUG.
So sorry to hear about that kytten. You are in my prayers for healing.
We had about 7" here at my house. But the cold weather is the worst of it. -2* today air temp. My doggies sure did their business quickly this morning! I haven't attemped to go anywhere!
Try safflower seed to keep the grackles away. I got rid of them that were hovering in a big group around my house by shooting my 410 in the air at them. lol I live in the country, wouldn't advise that to city dwellers
Today it hit 74*. Don't know what the official is. Record as 79*. A week ago today 40 miles north of me was -31* air temp. Yes, that's right ... minus 31* in Oklahoma. Glad I don't do that everyday!!! Windchill wasn't much under that, about -36*
Our purple martins never left... blue birds either... or canadian geese... we've still got finches, robins, house finches... chickadee's... all the birds that are SUPPOSE to leave... just wintered over.. and froze thier tail feathers off. Maybe they will fly south next year & learn. I can't wait for the Orioles to start flying back north... and hummingbirds! I miss them. It was 75 here Saturday.. pretty but humid... 79 on Friday... very humid...