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pollengarden

pollengarden
Pueblo, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 12, 2010
11:57 PM

Post #7456663

I noticed that there haven't been many postings here lately and I was concerned that Xeriscape gardeners are becoming an endangered species.
The Peak to Prairie Landscape Symposium in Colorado Springs in February has two seminars on Rain Gardens and Rainwater harvesting. I'm going to go and see what I can learn, then try to incorporate it into the class my Garden Group teaches on Xeriscape in March.
I already do it, but I'd need some guidance before I teach it because Rain Barrels are illegal in Colorado.
dparsons01
Albuquerque, NM
(Zone 7b)

January 13, 2010
3:56 PM

Post #7458176

That is a tricky subject, pollengarden. I don't understand why collecting rainwater on your own property is illegal in CO. The more I think about it the less sense it makes.

pollengarden

pollengarden
Pueblo, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 13, 2010
4:26 PM

Post #7458256

The best explanation I've heard of Colorado water law is "In Colorado, water runs uphill, toward money".
Second best explanation: Rainwater belongs to the water shed (river basin) and all the water rights on the river already belong to someone else, usually downstream. The rivers are also over-adjudicated, in other words there are more water shares and water owners than there is actual water. Worst case, if everyone put in rain barrels, the Rivers could go dry in a dry year. In 2002, the Arkansas and Platte went dry anyway (Kansas and Nebraska were not amused).
However, one is not obligated to increase the water flow off ones property either. Since any impermeable surface (a roof) increases the run-off, if it happens to all soak in before it leaves the property (a modified rain garden), it is legal.
I think - maybe.
dparsons01
Albuquerque, NM
(Zone 7b)

January 13, 2010
6:49 PM

Post #7458713

Sounds like one reason to me, pollengarden. A tricky subject to teach. You may have to state it as "If you do it this way it is illegal, but if you do it this way it is not." Do the police go around checking people's back yards for rain barrels?

pollengarden

pollengarden
Pueblo, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 14, 2010
2:04 AM

Post #7459908

Well, we are in unincorporated county so it would be the Sheriff's department. They are spread pretty thin and usually have better things to do, and enforce most ordinances only when there is a complaint.
greenjay
Centennial, CO
(Zone 5b)

January 25, 2010
8:43 PM

Post #7495984

It is even more complicated than you think. As of this fall, it IS legal to collect water from your roof or other impermeable surface if you have a well permit. Otherwise, it is still technically against the law. However, there are many loopholes. If for example you channel the rainwater into a pond or bog (a.k.a. raingarden) you are within the law. A bog can be designed to drain very slowly into other flower beds, so that is precisely the technique I will be implementing this summer. It is of course necessary to ensure that there is no standing water for mosquitos to breed in, but that isn't hard to engineer given some PVC and a ball valve. In fact, if you had a valve of some sort to allow the water in your barrel to leak very SLOWLY into a bog in order to prevent creating a mosquito hatchery, I think you could also pass muster.
ogrejelly
Gilbert, AZ
(Zone 9b)

March 19, 2010
6:40 PM

Post #7641797

"Perhaps if we built a large wooden badger..."

That has to be one of the craziest laws I have ever heard of for private property. Perhaps they should tax you if it doesn't rain enough as well?!? Then again I think we benefit here in AZ. :)

BTW... if interested in a somewhat related topic, I found this UofA article very interesting: http://ag.arizona.edu/AZWATER/arroyo/101comm.html

pollengarden

pollengarden
Pueblo, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 19, 2010
8:03 PM

Post #7642088

My understanding is you CANNOT store water in a pond without rights to that water. A bog/rain garden without surface water or a impermeable liner is okay, you are storing it in the soil of the water shed it belongs to - but not in a pond. It is confusing - after a rainstorm, when does a legal natural puddle become an illegal pond? Is it a matter of size? or duration?

Anyway - good Xeriscape principles: improve the water holding capacity of your soil, especially that construction compacted clay that Colorado's Front Range cities are famous for. Then take your Rain Water and "Slow it, Spread it, Sink it" into your soil. That is the hot new water conservation method called "Passive Rainwater Harvesting" that I am going to try and teach a class on tomorrow. It is very similar to what my father gave lectures on 50 years ago - back then they called it "Erosion Control". In my presentation, I am going to show "check dams" built by the Anasazi at Mesa Verde (illegal in Colorado - I presume the Anasazi got some sort of Grandfather clause? or maybe they are on New Mexico side of the park?).

I thought about the leaky rain barrel, too. If you used a larger capacity pipe for your downspout, with a small diameter outlet (a leak) at the bottom, is it okay? When does a downspout become a rain barrel? Again, capacity? or duration?

Here in dust-dry Pueblo West, a little rainwater and a little soil is the difference between sparse little weeds and large native shrubs. It can be a fairly dramatic difference.
Delightful_Dawn
Altus, OK
(Zone 7a)

August 28, 2010
9:46 AM

Post #8067007

I've been thinking of implementing a grey water irrigation system (that includes the rain water collected from the roof). Take all that water during the dry season and send it out to leach fields.

If your rain water was shunted straight out to leach fields there shouldn't be a problem with legality, or so you would think.

Harvesting the Rain
http://ag.arizona.edu/azwater/arroyo/071rain.html

pollengarden

pollengarden
Pueblo, CO
(Zone 5b)

August 28, 2010
6:13 PM

Post #8067697

Where grey water systems are legal, they have usually been done as a leach field - which gets rid of most of the health hazard concerns. I think you can have one here if you already have a permit for a septic system. And it would be legal for rain water here as long as you didn't put a pond liner under it - A leach field would return the rain water to the water shed, which is what Colorado requires. I agree that the soil is the best place to store your rain water - it is so easy and obvious I don't know why more people don't do it. Just remember to have some sort of overflow - plan a system that will work for both drought and flood conditions.
Delightful_Dawn
Altus, OK
(Zone 7a)

August 29, 2010
4:22 AM

Post #8068259

My overflow system would just consist of shunting it to the sewer.

pollengarden

pollengarden
Pueblo, CO
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2010
2:00 PM

Post #8068994

In a real heavy rainstorm, it could cause your sewer system to back up. For that reason, In some areas running rain water into the sanitary sewer is also illegal.
Delightful_Dawn
Altus, OK
(Zone 7a)

August 31, 2010
4:09 PM

Post #8073332

More to think about. Thanks
CuriousMsM
Albuquerque, NM
(Zone 7a)

September 4, 2010
5:20 PM

Post #8080606

While the folks in CO fight the laws, this week we installed a catch system with 1500 gals of underground storage. We attached gutters to the canale -(( Water spout or rain trough that protrudes through a parapet wall, normally to drain water that collects on a flat roof.)) and the downspout goes to basin. A pump forces the water into the drip system. As a bonus the water requires a recirculating pump - so we have a small "water feature" - two rocks with holes. The water from the rocks drips back into the underground storage. And IF we get too much rain (ha!) there is an overflow system. Alas, the city will pay us $100 for each rain barrel but only $150 for this effort. The department is reviewing their incentive plans.
Saving water in the Land of Enchantment.
realbirdlady
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

September 9, 2010
12:14 PM

Post #8089294

Oh wow... Austin used to have this weird complicated formula, but it did reward larger systems. They've just recently gone to a rebate based straight on storage capacity, the only difference is a higher rate for pressurized systems. So you wouldn't get anything extra for digging the hole, but at least you'd be rebated for your capacity.

(lol We just randomly got a foot of rain yesterday, so yeah, that overflow thing can come into play...)

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