Todd, why is it we always wish we could grow a plant that clearly will not grow in our area?--- we sometimes try to push the limit, and sometimes it works, other times it's plant-heaven. I like these plants, Bergenias, that you wrote about, esp. that 'B.ciliata' one--- the variety that has arching stems with flowers, and hairy leaves. Oh, well, thanks for the info, Todd. Have a great weekend!