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taj12
Parkersburg, WV

January 30, 2010
6:07 PM

Post #7512310

I was taking cuttings this morning from my coleus and had a thought, I was wondering if anyone has tried to root cuttings in the polymer crystals that you put in pots to help keep them from drying out. I have placed a few cuttings in the crystals and will be watching them closely.

taj
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

January 30, 2010
10:04 PM

Post #7513137

Interesting. I never thought of it. Keep us posted.
taj12
Parkersburg, WV

February 3, 2010
9:35 AM

Post #7524921

Just FYI, I tried this I had some cuttings that I had placed in potting soil and about 20 that I placed in the crystals soaked with water. After 12 hours the cuttings in the crystals were wilting and falling over, the cuttings placed in potting soil had wilted some but not as much. I quickly placed cutting from crytals into a bucket of water and planted them the next day.I might have not had enough water on crytals as they seemed to be taking the water from the cuttings. If I try again I think I will use less of the crystals and more water.

taj

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 3, 2010
10:09 AM

Post #7524933

All cuttings wilt at first.Give your experiment a few days to see if they perk up.
After 2 weeks if they are still wilted , you'll know which works.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 3, 2010
12:58 PM

Post #7525118

Since I need to do cuttings anyhow I'll give the crystals a try.
taj12
Parkersburg, WV

February 3, 2010
10:22 PM

Post #7526790

ge, when I looked at cuttings the next morning they were wilted alot. I kinda panicked and threw them in water and then transplanted in potting mix later. I really think, looking back I might no have had enough water on the crystals. I am going to try again and use just a few and I am going to soak crystals overnight so they are as plump as can be. I think they might have been taking water from cuttings..

Please, pirl if you try this can you let me know how it turned out.

taj
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 3, 2010
10:54 PM

Post #7526867

I took 33 cuttings, stripped them down and have them in a large coffee mug with the reconstituted crystals. I'll keep tabs on them.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 4, 2010
9:20 AM

Post #7528158

this is fun

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 4, 2010
11:10 AM

Post #7528233

not good for long term use... some of these did not make it into soil last year ... from my NC farms order... it was good for keeping them up right and hydrated for a few days.. you would have to keep adding water every day or so when the little that didn't get soaked up evaporated .. some did sprout roots though.. the moisture from the crystals was not enough or can't get packed tight enough around the stems and most of them died

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 4, 2010
11:12 AM

Post #7528237

You have an ambitious seed starting rooting and cutting situation there.
I had no idea.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 4, 2010
11:16 AM

Post #7528241

oh that's nothing last year I think it was 1600 cuttings from NC farms.. took me 3 days straight to get most of them in.. and Michele came and helped one day.. start at the bottom and go back up

http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/t/onewish1/11249/

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 4, 2010
11:24 AM

Post #7528251

What do you do with all of that plant life.?

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 4, 2010
11:32 AM

Post #7528257

Michele and I more or less split the order... and I gave some away Holly's swap and to the NJ crew when we met up at fairweather... it took me two trips to deliver hers in my truck.. I wouldn't do the petunias again or the calibrachoa.. they didn't turn out so good.. but I can say the whole thing was worth doing even though I was crippled for a few days.. my back was messed up after doing all that
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 4, 2010
1:15 PM

Post #7528389

I "only" did the 187 Dale sent and thought my back would break! Had to do them all again when they got too big for the cell packs. I think that's my limit for new cuttings but I did do all of my own as well (and didn't count).

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 4, 2010
11:26 PM

Post #7530371

oh yeah.. only... LOL.. I have started taking new ones already.. but moving slower than I wanted to be
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

February 5, 2010
3:21 AM

Post #7531060

Onewish1, I keep wondering what might have happened if the pan was mostly covered with plastic, to keep in moisture?

And if the tray had 1/4 inch of water in the bottom? with a little Superthrive? And bottom heat?

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 5, 2010
3:30 AM

Post #7531079

I guess that sounds like it would work better.. but at that point.. just stick it in water .. just seems like a lot of extra steps.. cut a piece stick it in some sort of medium and it grows .. I don't want too much fussing .. but that's just me
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

February 5, 2010
3:41 AM

Post #7531110

Really. Coleus are so easy.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 5, 2010
3:44 AM

Post #7531116

if it's not broke

:)

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 5, 2010
9:23 AM

Post #7531529

amen
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 5, 2010
1:21 PM

Post #7531757

So far they have remained quite perky in the water crystals.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 5, 2010
1:24 PM

Post #7531769

it might go better because I am sure you are using a larger cutting than I received from NC farms... the ones I had in the pan were hard to keep from falling in if I added water.. sometimes they just got sucked under and I had to pull them back up.. but good to hear they are doing well
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 5, 2010
1:26 PM

Post #7531777

True. Mine are about 4" so they should survive and thrive.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 5, 2010
1:48 PM

Post #7531843

yeah I would think that would go better
weloveouryard
Jupiter, FL

February 7, 2010
8:17 PM

Post #7539129

HI :)
My two eggs ( I know that not the right name) that my girlfriend and I foolishly left out in the cold has started to root in the water. They didn`t grow in the small jiffy pot despite the grow lights and bottom heat.

The roots are about 1/2 inch long . I am thinking are the polymer crystals myself.

Don`t laugh. I never started coleus in water before. Is it an easy transition when the roots are big enough to put them in dirt ? Or should I buy the crystals ?

Thanks , loveyard
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

February 7, 2010
8:24 PM

Post #7539152

I put them in soil real quick once they show roots. Then cover the plant with a plastic bag to conserve moisture, rather than overwater.

Am I right thinking that water roots are different from soil roots?
weloveouryard
Jupiter, FL

February 7, 2010
10:11 PM

Post #7539464

Thanks for replying.

I don`t know , I am new to this. I am in zone 10 . All we normally do is take cuttings ,strip the leaves and stick them in a pot in the shade and they grow.

But this plant was forgotten and left out in the cold. Even the root ball isn`t showing signs of life. And to make it bad , my girlfriend and I have never seen it offered on the web. Now it may be because we grow it in stronger light than the ones pictured by the sellers.
And It was a hand me down and she doesn't remember who she got it from.

I know I have seen pictures in decorating mags with bottles on shelves growing coleuses. I would like to be able to post a picture and have one of you guys ID it for me.


All I can do is try , right? :)

Loveyard
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 7, 2010
10:25 PM

Post #7539520

Sure - give it a try.

I've always been led to believe water roots are not the same as the roots they develop in soil but I don't know the technical/botanical differences. The cuttings I took in a mad rush and put in water did not perform as well as the stripped cuttings, leaving only two top leaves, and put directly into planting mix, never garden soil.
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

February 7, 2010
11:57 PM

Post #7539745

Dale the Gardener once commented that he thought it better to start right out in soil.
eggsamich
Saint Paul, MN

February 9, 2010
2:11 AM

Post #7543356

Hello All! I am brand new to Dave's, and I am so impressed with everyone's coleus! I was sad I just missed the special deal from RD.

It is my understanding water roots ARE quite different from soil roots. I start mine in water and quick put them in soil when I see a little root growth or just in soil. (depending how lazy I am) However I don't have the vast amount of cuttings you guys exhibit! I don't know what kinds of roots the gel produces. I have seen a "gel" cutting starter at stores- never tried it.

So pleased to meet you all...

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 9, 2010
2:45 AM

Post #7543444

when I have seen that gel... it was expensive .. so I haven't tried it either

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 9, 2010
10:36 AM

Post #7544038

hope Pirls experiment works
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

February 9, 2010
11:09 AM

Post #7544061

How long do they take to root in water?

I'm still a novice at this, haven't started nearly the volume that some of you have done. I've only rooted them directly in potting mix and it has worked well. Most seem to root in 1-2 weeks that way.

Karen

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 9, 2010
11:11 AM

Post #7544063

I dont root in water,just potting mix and when the cuttings are new I make dure they are kept wet for the first week,than water when they droop badly.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 9, 2010
11:14 AM

Post #7544067

I would say it's about the same time... but I prefer rooting in soil.. when I am lazy I use water.. some of my fall cuttings are still in water and I just take new cuttings off those.. not for keeping... they are a good back up for when I forget to water the stuff and don't loose everything
daisy_lee
New Hyde Park, NY

February 9, 2010
1:50 PM

Post #7544290

I root in potting soil also and put a plastic dome or baggie over them for the first week or so and gradually take it off. Using this method I have a very high success rate.
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

February 9, 2010
5:23 PM

Post #7544886

I've had some really enthusiastic cuttings begin roots overnight!

Warmth helps

Melissa
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 16, 2010
8:42 PM

Post #7564707

Here are the cuttings I put into the gel crystals on February 3rd - 13 days ago. The very tiniest of roots are present on TWO of the cuttings but I didn't lose any of them.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 16, 2010
8:44 PM

Post #7564712

I wouldnt say gels are a good rooting medium then.
Good experiment tho
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 16, 2010
8:47 PM

Post #7564721

Agreed!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 16, 2010
8:52 PM

Post #7564732

Lets remember for next year when some one want to use it for rooting.
I am a deciple of soil.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 16, 2010
10:11 PM

Post #7564912

good job Pirl
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 16, 2010
10:25 PM

Post #7564939

I'm not complaining. I can plant them at any time but at least none rotted and none died, which is more than I can say for plain water.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 17, 2010
9:42 AM

Post #7566066

I wonder how long it would have taken for rooting of any amount?
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

February 17, 2010
12:50 PM

Post #7566195

Sometimes coleus root quickly, as fast as overnight for me, and sometimes days or a week or two, and sometimes they just say no. lol.

But it's the vigor, and strength of the cutting, also. A cutting from a struggling, dying plant couldn't have the life in it as a cutting from a happy, early summer plant, hey?

And then there's the "Luck" I have with Swiss Sunshine. I've tried to see how small a cutting will root, I got down to bits that fit on top of a quarter. I just didn't have the appetite to try to nickel and dime them. Some coleus varieties are simply more vigorous than others. I'm finding Sedona to be very fickle.

Perhaps to feed a mother plant a few days before taking cuttings? Go off into the World on a full stomach?
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 17, 2010
2:09 PM

Post #7566359

There are two cuttings with the tiniest of roots - about the size of a dash " - " so it may be time to pot them up but I just don't have the patience for potting up another 100 cuttings between the ones in the crystals and 70 more I took yesterday, nor do I have room for them.

The last few months of caring for all the potted cuttings have taught me that the wimpy ones must depart. The strong ones are the ones I like.

I'm certain Electric Lime has built-in steroids. It just doesn't quit.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 17, 2010
2:19 PM

Post #7566393

LOL

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 17, 2010
3:23 PM

Post #7566537

I am hacking mine back.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 17, 2010
3:40 PM

Post #7566581

Can't imagine how I ignored the top shelf in my little greenhouse but there must be 200 cuttings waiting to be taken!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 17, 2010
4:36 PM

Post #7566724

I give up Pirl.
You are the gardening champ.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 17, 2010
5:10 PM

Post #7566805

It's quite likely I'll ditch the cuttings. Maybe I'll keep a few for the person who wants some but they'll be in water.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 18, 2010
9:38 AM

Post #7568783

Sometimes we have to use "tough love"
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 18, 2010
1:34 PM

Post #7568998

I held my ground and kept only 69 cuttings, throwing out even more than that. We do reach a limit!

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 18, 2010
1:40 PM

Post #7569008

limit ... what's that???
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 18, 2010
1:56 PM

Post #7569041

Eliminating an indoor bed to make room for more coleus!

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

February 18, 2010
2:00 PM

Post #7569049

or people!!!
shirleyt
Pearl River, LA

March 22, 2010
1:56 PM

Post #7648351

I have a question. I have noticed that sometimes I can take cuttings and they are off to the races really quickly and other times I have taken cuttings that just set and do nothing. They do nothing for ages just sit there like bumpkins. What is up with that.? shirleyt

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2010
4:30 PM

Post #7648716

Same plant?
Some coleus are really slow.
Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

March 22, 2010
5:49 PM

Post #7648939

I have the same comment. I think I'll let my Electric Lime get a little bigger, then take one cutting during each phase of the Moon. I bet it'll make a difference!

Some coleus start roots overnight.
DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

March 24, 2010
1:14 PM

Post #7652978

I have had my best luck when taking cuttings between the new moon and the first quarter...

Electric Lime>

This message was edited Mar 24, 2010 4:16 PM

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dragonmanlv
Springdale, UT

March 24, 2011
7:04 AM

Post #8447003

After over-wintering about 100 coleus and trying all sorts of rooting techniques I find the best rooting medium to be ... ugly pearlite...it retains the moisture but is dry enough to keep them from rotting and damping off and works about 99 percent of the time. I have used the polymer crystals and some thrive in it but most just rot .My potting medium I make myself I use 3 parts coir (coconut fiber), 1 part pearlite and a pinch of crystals and my coleus love it.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 24, 2011
7:19 AM

Post #8447029

I'll give it a try next winter. I did not like the polymers for the coleus...at all. What purpose does the coir serve? Just curious.
dragonmanlv
Springdale, UT

March 24, 2011
7:30 AM

Post #8447057

Coir is clean and light and very absorbant , great for bottom watering. I will never use peat ,once it dries it is almost impossible to re-wet and the fungus gnats love it . I have lost so many plants when I used peat products esp . peat pots.

This message was edited Mar 24, 2011 8:55 AM

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 24, 2011
8:02 AM

Post #8447117

when I put gels in the cuttings... they are at the very bottom of the cell... just a couple though.. more or less there for later on use... I see them there... just like being bottom watered.. then I add the medium on top.. mine are all in coir & perlite .. but mostly coir.. no gnats this year!!!

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