I have been seriously thinking about finishing the thought I had last year about making a new flower garden in the side yard.
This garden area, has never grown much grass, so I pretty much feel I don't need anything on the ground first off. and my woods are LOADED with rocks, as soon as it dries up I plan on getting the tractor out there and hauling rocks.
My question is.
This area, is neither full sun or full shade. But too much sun for full shade plants like hostas, and not enough sun for full sun plants.
I think it pretty much gets afternoon sun but dappled. I do have some iris's planted over in that area and they do grow ok. But the daylilies that are in that area, do not grow well at all.
What kind of plants do you suggest I go with for this area.
I may have to work out a few trades this year to fill this bed.
But so far, that will be my only expense on this new garden, (trades) as I have all kinds of mulch out there and a huge load of chicken litter, although my husband would shoot me if I used it in a flower garden other than a veggie garden.
I hope to get this all up and started when he leaves for the pipeline. Will give me something to keep busy.
There are a few trees I will be working around with the flower garden. pine trees I think, maybe an oak tree too.
KathyAnn, can you limb up some of the trees to allow a little more sun in there? Sun lovers would do well there if they can get around 5-6 hours of sunlight a day. Some things you could try would be monarda, salvia, lambs ears, sedums, tradescantia, some pots of hen and chicks, pots of mints and herbs, elephant ears, spirea, astilbe, peonies. Many plants will tolerate part sun/shade. The trees may suck up too much of the nutrients though, so they may be in competition. You might have to fertilize a little more.
I suppose I could get Danny to climb the trees LOL their pretty tall.
but I really think we do get about that much sun over there during the day,
but I have grown monarda closer to the house on that side and it always got mildew on it.
sedums don't seem to do well over there either.
This is the side of the house that I alway s had those tables full of plants .
the part where I want to put the garden is more in the shade though. there is also a big mulberry tree in the center that shades alot of the area too.
I have never been able to grow azalias very well, maybe I could try a few of them there . I do have some hydrangeas in pots still from last fall, I will definitely plant over there. but 3 of the hydrangeas are prone to powder mildew, and the lady at lowes said they needed full sun to keep the mildew off them, I bought them on clearence cause they were full of mildew. I may have to put those in full sun .
I do have alot of peonies that I need to move, I could stick in that garden also.
There's also a very long bed across the front yard by the road, that's very narrow, and it's trashy, I need to clean it up and do something that looks uniform over there. I may pull up alot of those plants there and put them in to the new bed. that area also is in full sun, and not sure if those siberians and tb 's would do well in this area I want to move them to.
so much to do, I guess I won't have any trouble staying busy this spring.
I can see me climbing up in those pinetrees LOL I probably wouldn't be able to get out of there
What about some shrubby perennials like baptisia? Or the newer Echinacea hybrids that tend to wimp out in full sun? Or if it's too shady for that, some clematis, along with the oakleaf hydrangeas...hellebores, maybe? (Ny plain-jane Hellebores get quite a bit of sun currently, but they were quite happy in dappled afternoon sun before we took out two of our biggest front yard trees.)
not sure if it turns pink later on or not. and I didn't navigate on that web site more than just that one page LOL
I think echinacea or baptisa would do well in that area. definitely going to be dividing some of my peonies, since i've never done that before. when should I do that anyways? I may not have the bed ready though by the time the peonies need to be divided.
What's Amthyst ?
I know i'll have lots of gailardia babies, wonder if they'll do good over there? they seem to thrive in full sun where I have them now though.
so many possibilities, I move plants around all the time, I may be moving them in and out of this bed before they find a permanent home.
I even have about 6 gingers that Terrie gave me last fall, I over wintered in the garage, I bet they would do well there.
Kathy Ann azaleas should do good in the area. Especially close to the trees. Azaleas need a lot of water and like to be mulched with pine needles. Before I got my irrigation system, I had a black soaker hose running under my azaleas. I covered it up with pine needles and left one end exposed so I could hook the hose up to it. I would let it soak for a couple of hours when I turned the water on. So if you can't get water to them, they are not going to grow. Sounds like quite a project. Know it will be pretty!
KA, those gingers should do well in your new bed. I know you had them in pots but mine have been through a winter here and did well in partial shade. EEs and some of the more hardy ferns should do well in your new bed. And spireas. I have several hardy shrubs that you would normally put in full sun in shaded beds and it keeps them from getting too big for the space but they still bloom well; spireas, forsythia, altheas, etc.
Terrye I have a lot of forsythia in the shade also. They bloom every year and like you said they just don't grow as fast. I think they get plenty of sun while the leaves are off the trees and that lets them bloom and then they are shaded during the summer when they are not blooming.
bad question, sid told me that when he gave it to me,i can, retain things any more, sid gave me that plant he and his wife only grow native plants,they send alot of plants to the butterfly thing on mt. magazine every year. i think i was told he is sending things for the garden club sale this year. good people
Not a bad question, but I don't know the answer, I hope to get some oakleaf's this year but don't have any yet. maybe someone can answer that, bonnie has several I think. she'll chime in here soon and answer or kenny, he has some too
I bet that's a pretty area now. Azaleas would be something i'd have to purchase. I sure would love to have them around the edge of this garden though, it's going to be a big one. I just hope I can scrape enough top soil to fill it.
well,I didn't take into account that none are evergreen so right now they're all "nekkid" except the butterfly bush. I'm going to thin out and trans plant some of my jonquils in there and re-plant the plumbago my hub's killed fixing the plumbing,septic tank and field lines.
bigred i know we are doing kathy ann new flower bed but i have seed for new bees and ive nener had candelabra bush can you tell me anything about it. please! don,t even know the first thing about starting the seed. thank you nettie
KathyAnn, how bout some heuchera and tiarellas in there? Didn't you get some from a co-op? And lambs ears. Mine is evergreen. If you put any back there, remember it doesn't like a lot of water. You might mix some sand in the soil where it will be planted.
Azaleas are cheap--like $2.50 a gallon. Don't forget you can add potted plants, like mints and herbs and some of your tropicals if you still have any. And for evergreen stuff, go with the arum itallicum and strawberry geranium and sedums. You could create a "tower" of clay pots with various sedums in various foliage colors dripping out of them. And don't forget a statue or two or a bird bath, bench or something else for a little winter attraction. Maybe a bird feeder so you could watch the birds hang out there.
And if you can't find some bigger evergreen stuff, go with with something with unusual bark or branches, like a red twig dogwood perhaps. Seems like there is a hydrangea with red stems--saw it on Victory Garden yesterday but can't remember the name of the hydrangea. But the woman said it adds year-round interest, even in winter.
You could make a Mr. and Mrs. Potty out of clay pots to sit in the garden. Or create a tin man from old tin cans. Or make it a little gnome garden and put a gnome door on the bottom of a tree with little gnomes sitting throughout the garden.
hi big red i found that in plant files, think i will plant it. frost will kill it back to the ground but it will come back up. ive got a mexican fire bush that does the same thing . they say butterfly cats like the leaves on the senna thats not a bad thing. anyway just wonted to tell you i found what i was looking for. nettie
Lowes carries them every year for about that price. And walmart too. In my opinion, they're just as nice as the higher priced ones at fancier nurseries. The encore azaleas may be a little costlier, not sure.
moring kathy ann i bought 1 of the cold hardy gardenias they smell so good, i got it on clearance at lows it has done real good and smells wonderful, don,t know if i can do cuttings or not,but im gona try. if they root ill save you some. promise nettie
I have lots of the $2.50 azaleas in my yard but they ahve such a short bloom period that I added 3 Encores several years ago and while they are much higher than the others,you get more blooms for the bucks. Kept well watered like this past year with all the rain,they bloom off and on all year. There's some blooms on them right now. I need more.
could your candleabra plant be one of the cassia/sennas?
Bluestone has some neat azailias also, you can wait till they go on sale. I think their sale prices for bushes are 25% off, but right now they have a few azailia's 50% off, and those are pretty good prices. I love that place.
Did you notice the other two they were offering on that page? Slightly different shades of yellow or orange to my eye and one was about $8. :-) Anyone spot where they post they're smallest order info? I couldn't find it so I emailed them but it'll be a while before I hear back on that.
I didn't read about the yellow azalea. If it is a native azalea, keep in mind that it is deciduous and will have a different bloom time from other azaleas. But they really have a pretty bloom. I use mine for privacy screening so would only want to plant one or two for interest.
No Charlotte, they aren't evergreen. :-( like most azaleas.
Molly - the shrubs right now - look like sticks. I don't think I ever took pictures of them as bushes because they always seem so feeble. Always surprised whenever I get blooms because the bush never looks like it could put anything out. Maybe after I have had them several, several years, they will start looking like something. The yellow, I've probably had about 3 years and still wonder every year if it will make it or not. The orange one was new for me last year.
There are some shrubs that are best displayed with other lower fuller plants or shrubs in front so that the blooms are what you see instead of the leggy wood. They just don't do well as specimen plants.
My MG project is a place called Wildwood. It is on 105 acres and has hundreds of the native azaleas that were planted a number of years ago. They are very large bushes and are absolutely gorgeous when they start blooming. I would like to have maybe a couple but that's all because I like to use my azaleas as a screen.
n2birds most azaleas and rhodies loose their leaves up north. Some people spray them with an antidessicant and that helps. Not every single azalea or rhodie does loose them though. Depends on how tender, location (exposure to winds does a lot of damage) and soil conditions.
Wow - Bonnie those are stunning! I was looking at my landscape drawing that I had the guy here locally do that I was not pleased with and he has a LARGE section in all azeleas ... I was thinking it would sure look pitiful in the winter time. What do ya'll think? I have tried to figure out how to change the pdf file where I scanned his drawing to the computer so maybe ya'll could help me redo it ... but I have had no luck converting it to jpg... :(
I REALLY want to do my foundation planting this Spring ! but i need a good plan!!
Genna, I have large amounts of azeleas. I have put them in front of my fence all the way around my back yard. I chose azaleas because they provide a screen year round. I haven't actually counted all them. But I do know I have far over 100 (I counted that far and quit). In the spring when they bloom they are spectacular and then they provide a nice backdrop for other plants year round. They are nice and green throughout the winter. Now there is a native azalea variety that looses its leaves in the winter. But those are not common. My MG project is Wildwood, and there are hundreds of the native azalea's planted out there and during the winter they are not attractive. But Wildwood has another area that has a big mass of evergreen azalea's planted and it really looks good.
Wow Charlotte, I guess I just didn't pay attention when I was over there at the azaleas probably cause they weren't in bloom then, Do you root them easy enough? I heard they were hard to root. I have 5 of the azalea bollywood's ordered for this spring. http://www.springmeadownursery.com/bollywood.htm
That's a pretty azalea. Like the variegated leaves. I haven't seen one with variegated leaves before. You did notice that it is semi-evergreen, so it is going to drop a lot of it's leaves in the winter. I have never tried to root a cutting, but I have new azaleas come up all the time. Branches will drop to the ground and self root. You can also weight a branch down and cover it with dirt and it will root. The ones I brought to RU in Oct were all ones that had self rooted and had become decent size azaleas. If I just get down and start looking around under the plants, I'll find ones that have rooted and I dig then up because I really don't need anymore at this point! When they bloom the whole back yard is in color! I have lots of different colors. You all will have to make a trip over when they are in bloom. All those green shrubs in the back yard are azaleas. Also most of the shrubs in the front of the house are azaleas. They are a shorter variety and I keep them cut back.
OH I forgot that Danny said all those trees weren't pines, they were oak trees. so no pines in that area. DUH ! I should have know n that. there are pines in the woods behind that flower garden though LOL
LOL, yes, I did say huge. It was alot smaller but we still had tons of rocks left over so we just built it as much as we had rocks for LOL
I hope I have enough dirt to fill it with, Danny is suppose to go get some mulch for me this week if they have any for the top of it. I have a huge shelf of perennials left over from last fall's RU and other plants to go in there, still have 4 flats of iris I didn't get planted, but not putting them in this garden.
I have lots of plans for this new garden LOL
would like to trade some columbines for other varieties of columbines, I hav etons of ruby port columbines, want to put others in this garden
kathy ann you can make wells around any trees that might be where you want to work. That should keep them healthy. Just make it wide enough for all the major roots. Most of the time that is under 6' across.
You know, I've been doing some thinking about all this "NOT" building up the soil around all the trees, and everywhere I go in town, all the parks, all the fancy homes. EVERYWHERE all the trees have mulch or dirt piled up around them. probably mulch which is what I have here, broken down mulch.
None of those trees are dying, or look like their dying. Every one of the trees in my front and back yard have had mulched piled around them for years, the only one that's ever died is one single tree that didn't have anything planted around the roots, it was blown over by a storm last year.
I've gone ahead and put mulch around all those trees in the new flower bed, it's not thick, but those trees have already been mulched way before the garden was put there and all of them have iris planted around them.
I still haven't planted anything in this garden yet, waiting a bit longer for the weather to warm up before I start filling it.
Got some coop plants coming in that i'm going to be putting into this bed also.
What we were taught in college horticulture classes was that the feeder roots of a tree extend around the leaf line of the tree. It is imperative not to smother those feeder roots - that if you want to cover the roots of a tree to build it up a couple of inches per year to give the feeder roots a chance to raise to the surface. Maybe because you are seeing mulch and not heavy soil - that is the difference... the nutrients and water can still get to the feeder roots... .??? Just a thought.
Could be, I'm using mulch too so maybe it will be ok. I've not had any problems yet. the trees i've seen have had l0 to l5 inches of milch piled ontop of them (mulch like mine) not wood chips.
I probably won't plant anything in this garden until the mulch and leaves break down , maybe this fall I can put some things in there. although i have 3 hydrangeas and one variegated elderberry out there now.