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Tropical Zone Gardening: Crotons and the Freeze of 2010

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Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 2, 2010
11:06 PM

Post #7523568

Hi All,

My crotons looked fine for a while and now they are dropping leaves like crazy. It's only been a couple of weeks since, but I don't see any new growth.

Do you think that they are goners or will eventuality put out new growth? Should I cut them back and replant the tops or just let them be for now? There are 4 in pots around the pool that I don't really want to lose. NO, I don't want to lose any of them.

What's a girl to do? LOL

Hap

Molamola
Christiansted, VI
(Zone 11)

February 2, 2010
11:17 PM

Post #7523597

Get a magnifying glass and see if the tips of the stems are green or black. I'd just wait.

Poor you! I love crotons.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 2, 2010
11:57 PM

Post #7523737

I really checked today...Nada.

Hap
CindyLynne
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 3, 2010
5:32 AM

Post #7524718

Im north of you and having the same worries, Im taking a wait and see attitude with alot of things, not cutting things back till Im sure theres no hope!
Dutchlady1
Naples, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 3, 2010
11:10 AM

Post #7524973

I think the Crotons will come back. Remove the ugly leaves and wait a bit longer... it's what I'm doing.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 3, 2010
12:47 PM

Post #7525096

Thanks, and will wait. Whada mess.
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique

February 3, 2010
6:14 PM

Post #7526048

sorry to hear your problems with your crotons!!
is it because of the cold weatherer?? over here its so hot, even in the 'winter', that they grow just fine all year round.
but crotons are pretty tough, they should survive. try scratching the skin off the stalk to see if its still green, and if it is maybe you can cut them back just a little, to stimulate new growth.
isaac

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 3, 2010
7:31 PM

Post #7526256

Isaac,

It has been the winter from hell. We were between 35-45 for almost 11 days. There is now a second pile of plants/cuttings at the curb for the bulk garbage pick-up. I have been here 25 years and nothing has ever been close to this. So much is gone.

Thanks for posting.

Hap
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 3, 2010
7:38 PM

Post #7526284

Hap

I feel your pain. We dropped in the high 20's this winter which is a first in years. Everything is look desolate and I'm holding my breath and waiting to see what will come back when spring decides to make it's appearance. I hate to go outside now cause all I see is ugliness.

Patty

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 3, 2010
8:28 PM

Post #7526426

Patty,

Thanks for the post.

There are many things more important than plants, as you know, but it still hurts.

I nearly lost it with Hurricane Wilma in 2005, but things did grow back. That's the mind-set that I have to keep now. Right?

Hugs.

Hap
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 3, 2010
9:33 PM

Post #7526628

Hap, give them about 3 months for recovery..they will come back!
I can't wait for winter to be over, but winter has other plans-- I just read that our area has the recipe brewing for another Canadian cold air mass ...right now just recipe, but not forecasted..gosh I hope not!
Dutchlady1
Naples, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 3, 2010
11:07 PM

Post #7526910

So - are we still under the 'don't cut them back' rule?
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 3, 2010
11:37 PM

Post #7526999

In Houston we are, I saw the weather was pretty fabulous in most of Florida- I'm sorry to say I didn't look past my back yard on the forecast! LOL
http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2010/02/icy_outlook_from_cold_to_colder_next_week.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Fsciguy+%28SciGuy%29

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 3, 2010
11:40 PM

Post #7527011

Ok, I'll wait, seeing that patience is my strong point. ROTFLMBO...

It's so hard...

Hap
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 4, 2010
12:30 AM

Post #7527161

hahahahahahahah!...Me too...I swear I'll be chopping, sweeping, cleaning and won't be able to resist some good pruning come snow or whatever...I'm so over it...gosh listen to us Gulfcoasties whine! I have operation spring cleaning going into effect this weekend...not going to budge from those plans..

This message was edited Feb 3, 2010 6:35 PM
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

February 4, 2010
1:26 AM

Post #7527313

When disaster comes what's important is the mindset you develop and maintain. Some things are beyond us. It's important to focus on the way forward. The reminders are there, like the black walls of the tunnel, but the light is also there at the end of it.
CindyLynne
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 4, 2010
4:09 AM

Post #7527777

For my crotons Im still not cutting back, my heliconias I chopped down because I was tired of looking at the mess but they are already coming back up. My sanchezia can go ahead and shrivel up and die I just really hate them, Im gonna rip those out this year I think! My christmas tree palms have lost alot of fronds Im watching nervously with those because I love them so much!
Most everything else seems to be coming along ok and putting up new buds.

I just look at the freeze as opening the door for new possibilities, our gardens are forever evolving and changing!
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique

February 4, 2010
7:39 AM

Post #7528114

i sympathize with you all, thankfully i never have those problems with the cold!! here plants die from heat...
i lost a bunch of bachelor's buttons, they just shriveled up and died!! it happened on an extremely hot day...
isaac

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 4, 2010
12:31 PM

Post #7528315

Tropic, Thanks for the lesson. As my DD say, 'It IS what it IS.' I will do better, promise.

Cindy, sorry about your babies. My helios are all brown. You said you cut them back...right to the ground? Was afraid to do that, but as you said, They Are Ugly. I do like my Sanchzia and it covers a big space on a back wall and another blocks my view of neighbors.

Not too happy with my coconut palms. Most of their fronds are dead/dying and they are falling and knocking the few living plants that are there, silly. They are big puppies and about 20# each. I'm building a lot of muscles getting them out to the curb.

Right, Gotta think of the new things that will be done this spring.

Hap
Dutchlady1
Naples, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 4, 2010
1:20 PM

Post #7528403

I have cut my heliconias all the way back too. There is only so much ugly brown stuff I am willing to look at.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 4, 2010
1:59 PM

Post #7528523

You're Hetty. If they come back, they come back. If they don't... I won't have to worry about them next time.

phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 4, 2010
2:09 PM

Post #7528559

I have alot of plants in flower beds that fit that saying Hap--if they come back, they come back. If they dont . . . I won't have to worry about em. Of course, I have several of my favorites that I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they will start perking up when spring makes its debut.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 4, 2010
3:03 PM

Post #7528711

My spring starts this month. What about you Patty?
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 4, 2010
3:25 PM

Post #7528789

With a mild winter, it is not unusual for spring to start in February, but this winter has been unusual. I don't think our spring will start until late February in to March. I am so ready. I think this is one of the hardest times of the year for gardeners when you're waiting for spring to arrive. Usually I can start getting my fix by starting seeds, but this winter no gardening got done cause of all the other stuff going on.

Bella loves being out in the yard. She will enjoy gardening with her momma once spring arrives.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 4, 2010
3:39 PM

Post #7528847

Patty, you are delusional! Bella will be nothing but a PIA, but very lovable. How about a new picture?

Also, our 'winters' here usually just mean almost no rain and coolish temps, so my garden rarely changes from summer. Coleus come into their beautiful colors and everything just grows a little slower. What a hit in the head with this winter.
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 4, 2010
3:48 PM

Post #7528878

[quote]Patty, you are delusional! Bella will be nothing but a PIA, but very lovable[/quote]

I had to laugh at that one. I am so used to my old shih tzu who would lay in the yard and watch me garden. He was happy just to near.

Bella has already been a bad girl and she got her first spanking (or light pat on the butt). She got out in the front yard and wouldn't come back when I called. I had to run after her. She started running around and headed for the street with a car coming. I nearly had a heart attack.

I have new pictures of her after her hair cut but they are at home. I will try and send one this evening.
CindyLynne
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 4, 2010
5:56 PM

Post #7529342

Happy,

Yes, well mine are in pots on either side of my entryway but I cut them all the way to the dirt, remember they are rhizomes so new growth isnt coming from those old dead leaves anyway. Hack em back and get your frustrations out! LOL!
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique

February 4, 2010
6:21 PM

Post #7529429

i am presuming Bella is a dog??
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 4, 2010
7:02 PM

Post #7529542

Yes Bella is a shih tzu pup--5 mos. old.
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 4, 2010
7:08 PM

Post #7529559

Here's is Bella--not the best picture but she won't be still long enough for me to snap it. I tried to get a decent picture of her last week after she got her first hair cut but she moved that by the time I snapped it, I had a picture with no dog in it.

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rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 4, 2010
7:51 PM

Post #7529684

That's true Tropic, and in fact after a Hurricane we can get right in there and re-shape. The suffering here is we have to leave this disastor untouched as cold crappy rainy snowy icy weather keeps pummeling us. Every time we go outside and look at the tragic kingdom, we have to resist the urge to commence the clean up. Soon now though..very soon..we'll be able to have at it. In the mean time I've been focusing my attention on spring cleaning junk out and power washing the deck and house on those occasional semi-nice days. The reduced vegetation is an opportunity after all!

This message was edited Feb 4, 2010 1:52 PM

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 4, 2010
7:55 PM

Post #7529697

Oh, Patty, that brings back a memory that nearly sent me other the edge.

Then Archie was little, he squeezed between two 6' fences that gave him access to a main street. Did you ever see a 60 year old woman scale a 6' fence like it was 2', in my chef's uniform, no less. I was over so fast that I don't remember doing it. Well, Archie continued down the middle of the street 3" from my grasp. A wonderful driver came up behind this crazy duo and slowed down preventing any other cars to run us over. When I finally grabbed him, that's when I found out tails are for, I didn't know whether to Kiss or Kill. Close call there!

At 8, he can't fit through the fence but still bolts out the front door.

Hap

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 4, 2010
8:17 PM

Post #7529771

Rj, you're right. Let's keep our hands and minds busy so we don't go crazy.

Hap
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 4, 2010
9:10 PM

Post #7529979

Yes I've decided Ms. Bella is only going out in the back yard which is fenced.
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

February 4, 2010
11:06 PM

Post #7530320

Happy, you had me in stitches with your story. At least I learned something - I now know what dog's tails are for, LOL.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 4, 2010
11:40 PM

Post #7530418

I know! I'm still chuckling

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 4, 2010
11:46 PM

Post #7530436

But it's true, but it's true!!!

It works every time. It's the bomb.

There is an un-trainable dog in my house, plus an un-trainable DH. I have given up on both. The tail works for both.

Hap
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
12:54 AM

Post #7530667

Ha..the Chronicle merged my tree fern in their news letter for Feb...aaaaahhhh..poooor poor fern. She has new frond coming out...I do say..that I could have lost every plant in the garden and been fine as long as Fern lived...!

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tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

February 5, 2010
1:03 AM

Post #7530694

The first anniversary for last years firestorms in Victoria is coming up. They've been showing current footage of the area which, although it's recovering, is still looking very charred. One thing interesting though was the number of treeferns that had fully redeveloped their crowns as though nothing had happened. Mind you, their trunks looked more black than their usual furry brown. I think most of those would have been Dicksonia species.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
3:18 AM

Post #7531055

Yes..it's turning out to be a hardy plant, once it's established. That's the tricky part for most gardeners here..When it's young ..it needs the perfect drainage, the perfect water, the perfect acidic soil, the perfect A.M./P.M. lighting, the perfect afternoon sun. Once it's made it past a year old, then it seems to go to weed status and taunts nature to give it it's best shot.
So far it's survived being pulled out of the ground and put in a pot/green house for the winter, a freeze that defoliated the garden but not the fern, snow, a Hurricane and now the 3 day freeze (with seat cushions wrapped around. This is the first time that it's ever defoliated.
I'm glad you helped me I.D. this, because it makes so much more sense when talking and seeing other tree ferns here in Houston. I mean this guy lands in the Houston Chronicle a lot. I didn't even know it was in there this time until they emailed me today for some larger photos..they want better quality.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 5, 2010
12:34 PM

Post #7531678

Rj, so glad you fern is OK. I remember that was your pride and joy of the garden.

(Doing the 'Happy' Dance)
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
1:32 PM

Post #7531798

Yep that's one of his plants that I covet (along with that darn rangoon creeper). Even the freeze couldn't put me out of my misery as far as the rangoon was concerned--mine is still alive.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 5, 2010
2:32 PM

Post #7531968

OK, Patty. How do you get the RC to grow and bloom? Mine's a dud but it didn't die in our freeze.
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
2:56 PM

Post #7532018

I can get mine to grow but have not had any success at getting it to bloom and I've had mine for three years at least. I have threatened to take a machete to it and be rid of the hassle. I thought this last freeze had taken care of it, but low and behold it is still alive. The lower foot of the vine is showing green. Rj is the expert on the rangoon creeper. The only good thing I have to say about a rangoon creeper is that it was the plant that introduced me to RJ here on DG. I am so disgusted with rangoons. I have been trying for at least three years maybe more to get mine to bloom and it will not cooperate.

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 5, 2010
3:05 PM

Post #7532035

OK, Rj, what do we do?
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
3:09 PM

Post #7532051

Hap, I'll give the low down later today, in the meantime I do have the info listed here.
http://davesgarden.com/community/blogs/t/rjuddharrison/3308/
CindyLynne
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 5, 2010
5:15 PM

Post #7532419

Oh that creeper is so yummy, just gorgeous! thanks for that info!!
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
7:33 PM

Post #7532845

okay..sorry hap, was leaving for work. The main thing that I do with this vine is.
Trim all of the branches (or most) off of the main trunk vine next month or spring time.
I use Nutri-star Hibiscus fertilizer granules. I measure about 6-8 inches away from the main trunk, then poke 4 inch holes (about 6) and fill the holes with the small side of the scooper. Fill in holes, water.

The Rangoon really likes well drained soil, but requires a bit more water because of the well drained area. It thrives in heat, the hotter it is, the happier the vine it seems.

Reportedly, the Rangoon mostly blooms off of new growth, thus the vine trimming in early spring. It will load up with an amazing amount of blooms.

Generally, Rangoon creepers take around 3 years to mature before it throws out a lot of blooms. If you have one in a pot, I recommend setting it on a patch of soil during the growing season, the roots will find they're way out, and increase the bloom activity, particularly with Nutri-star. Be careful applying fertilzer in the pot, go on the light side...they will burn..Just ask Patty, she's the Rangoon burner specialist.

That's about it, well drain, great sun, frequent water but no wet feet, Nutri-star as described once every three months during growing season, 3 years (in general) for mature vine blooms, trimm the branches off the main trunk early spring. This also removes kooties that tend to cling to the plant over winter. The vine is suceptible to mealy bugs and fungus, it needs a very well ventilated area.

Good luck!
Rj

This message was edited Feb 5, 2010 1:35 PM
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
7:49 PM

Post #7532889

[quote] Reportedly, the Rangoon mostly blooms off of new growth, thus the vine trimming in early spring. It will load up with an amazing amount of blooms. [/quote]

Yeah right--sure it will load up with an amazing amount of blooms EXCEPT in Patty's garden where all it does is grow foliage.

[quote] Be careful applying fertilzer in the pot, go on the light side...they will burn..Just ask Patty, she's the Rangoon burner specialist. [/quote]

yep I definately did overdo the fertilizer the first year I had my rangoon. I've overfertilized it, moved it to a sunnier spot, underfertilized it, watered it, not watered it, you name it; I've tried it and the darn thing WILL NOT bloom for me. I was really hoping that it had bit the dust so I wouldn't have to mess with it any more. It has become by garden nemesis and I won't stop until I finally get it to bloom. I'm wondering if my soil is just not acidic enough for it.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
7:57 PM

Post #7532915

Patty, I believe we have a phrase that might fit this occassion, once said by Brian himself when he discovered he was amidst a group of plant lovers at one of Kauaii's largest Botanical gardens. Poor guy was thinking garden, Botanical, had no meaning..until he got there and saw trams to get us around. He was so mad when we were talking in the gift shop when he discovered the size of it that he said...okay...here goes Patty...

Alls I hear you say is BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, Rangoon creeper!

You can now bring your machete !! lol
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
8:01 PM

Post #7532930

I'm leaving my classroom now to go get it RJ . . .will check back in when rangoon is in pieces all over the yard.

and Brian said it precisely

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, Rangoon creeper!


rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
8:05 PM

Post #7532941

oh ...I bet you can't even find it now...it blends with all of the other brown stuff...Thankyou in advance for mulching my yard with rangoon pieces! So thoughtful
Blaaaaaahhhh...blah blah...LOL, we still use that phrase frequently
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
8:07 PM

Post #7532945

I actually thought Brian was starting to move over to our side. I thought we had converted him ya know.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
8:11 PM

Post #7532966

Yes, it's true. He does maintain the front garden pretty much exclusivly. But he is very much his own convert, and has experienced hysterical whines on several occassions when he whacked plants that were just coming in to their once a year bloom. If it doesn't fit his esthetics, whack, still it looks nice. Wayne and I drove up one day from plant shopping, and he stopped the truck short of the driveway and stared. There Brian was putting together a brand new lawn mower he'd bought, Wayne and I looked at each other, and he said..Randy, who's house is this, are we in the twilight zone!!?
phughes
Portland, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 5, 2010
8:18 PM

Post #7532988

How funny!!!! I think it's great that he's so into doing the yard.
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

February 6, 2010
12:03 AM

Post #7533665

I've tried growing Rangoon Creeper from cuttings, from a friend who has a huge vine (or vines, hard to tell). Hers is always a mass of blooms, can hardly see the leaves for the flowers. She must have got sick of me asking for cuttings and last year bought me a small plant. It's taken off but not really sure now it's in the best place for training. Hers is in an archway you walk underneath to get to the house.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 6, 2010
12:05 AM

Post #7533671

I remember that you have some interesting soil there too, correct?
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

February 6, 2010
1:19 AM

Post #7533981

Soil? On my place? No, you must be thinking of someone else, LOL. My soil leaves a lot to be desired. The soil analysis came back with "sandy loam". Nearly burst my sides laughing when I read that. I'm more inclined to call it lateritic gravel with a deeper layer of inhospitable, porous, cack-yellow clay that dries like concrete in the dry season and consistency of soup in the wet. At least it's got good drainage, except where the water table is close to the surface. Well, I'm working on improving things, maybe with another couple of hundred years of hard work it might be starting to get better.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 6, 2010
1:42 AM

Post #7534052

aah..must be..
your friend with rangoon has same type of soil>?
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

February 6, 2010
12:32 PM

Post #7534880

No, she's got really good soil, and good water. I'm eternally jealous.
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique

February 8, 2010
5:16 PM

Post #7541781

lol, what does the rangoon look like? i haven't heard of it before.
Hap, i laughed so much with your story, i wish i could have seen it!! lol
isaac

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 8, 2010
5:29 PM

Post #7541822

Isaac, did a repeat performance today. While working in the yard I forgot Archie was out and I left the gate open. He went out like a shot. It took some time for me to miss him, so I went to the front to call him. (He has friends across the street.) He was nowhere. Walked way up the street calling him, no Archie. Got in the car and drove all around, no Archie. I was sure he was just gone or someone came by and picked him up. When in pulled into the drive, planning to out on foot again, a neighbor brought him to me in her arms. I screamed and sobbed. She probably thought I was nuts. The rest of the day was shot for me for I got so upset thinking I'd never see my 'little man' again. ACH, what mothers go through.
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique

February 8, 2010
5:36 PM

Post #7541845

Oh hap, i am so glad to hear he is ok!! since i am not a mother i won't know exactly what you are going through(lol), but i also get very attached to animals!
isaac

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 8, 2010
5:48 PM

Post #7541886

Thanks, Isaac.
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique

February 8, 2010
5:51 PM

Post #7541897

you mentioned you were wearing a chef's uniform earlier, are you a chef?

Happy_1

Happy_1
Chicago, IL
(Zone 5b)

February 8, 2010
5:59 PM

Post #7541923

I'm a retired chef. The 50 pound sacks got too much for me to handle. It's a rough job and I miss it a lot. I ended up by achieving certification from the American Culinary Federation, I was known as a Certified Execute Chef, the first women of our county chapter to receive the certification. From my chapter, I was elected the Chef of the Year, first woman also to receive this award. Was very blessed.
westraad
Xai Xai
Mozambique

February 8, 2010
6:22 PM

Post #7542013

congratulations!! i am not a very good cook, but i am learning, lol.
isaac

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