I've got all my containers, potting soil, etc. (oh, and a drill to make those holes!), faith and hope :)
I also have three feet of snow on the ground! My question is, should I dig down and put the containers in a space in the snow together, or just place them out on top? I do plan to put the containers in a cardboard box to keep them together. I understand that I probably should have started all this in Dec., but I hadn't even heard about it then! There are a couple small areas next to the house when the snow is maybe only a foot, but basically I've got drifts-deep-all over.
Hi,if it makes you feel any better.I have not put my containers out yet either.They will be out this weekend.I am behind this year.I think we are fine.Lots of winter left.In my experience its the up and down temps that help the seeds germinate.We know March is famous for that.I now live in Conneaut,its the last exit on I-90 before the PA line.I grew up in Wadsworth.All the best,Edge
[quote]I also have three feet of snow on the ground! My question is, should I dig down and put the containers in a space in the snow together, or just place them out on top?[/quote]
Clpgirl, I don't think it makes too much difference this early. I'd just put your jugs out on top and know that WS is meant to be part of Mother Nature's plan. The seeds will know what to do.
The only thing I worry about with putting them on top of a lot of snow (and I did it too a couple of weekends ago) is if the snow melts unevenly and the jugs wind up tilting one way, so that precipitation might wash the seeds down one side before the germinate. So I keep an eye on the tops out the window to make sure they're more or less level.
Crabgrass is making a good point. One year a couple of my jugs did tip (wind) and I didn't notice. . . Come germination time, I discovered a LOT of seedlings growing in a small amount of space on one side of the jugs! Talk about HOS!
Just wanted to share my first WS with all of you-made sure the jugs are close together and pushed down to the patio under the snow. Last night we had another 6+ inches and this morning they are all tucked in and covered.
First pic is from last night-we still have more to go, but got quite a bit done in 2 hours!
Second photo is from this morning.
Thanks for all your info. I think we will put them in bins when the snow melts, but they are in an area protected from wind right now.
Whoah, that's some snow! I grew up in Wooster, not far from you. My folks must be snowed in but it's OK, after last winter they gave up on their house (and its mile-long driveway) and moved into a condo where someone else has to deal with the snow. Me, we've missed the full impact of the last 3 storms here in our little sheltered spot in CT, while everyone around us has been hammered.
I was just re-reading your first post and noticed you said potting soil? or did you mean to type seed starter soil?
I'm hoping you did start with the seed starter as it is much lighter. If you did use potting soil, did you put in a lot of drainage holes? If you don't have that many drainage soil then I would recommend that as soon as you can get to the jug again that you add more drainage holes so that your seeds can dry out between the weather patterns that we will be having.
finally a morning without snow, well for at least maybe an hour...anyway.
We actually mixed pro-mix with quite a bit of coir. Don't have the actual proportions, cuz we did it by feel. I'm hoping that will work, as we noticed the jugs draining water on the floor from the kitchen counter. Used a bit of perlite on top of some...
What all did you plant in those jugs? That looks like nice wicker furniture in the yard.. You don't cover that up during the winter? Too late now! Thanks for sharing your pictures. This is my first year doing WS and our 55 inches of snow has finally melted, with the exception of the piles of snow that were piled up on the side of the streets. Those are gradually going down and are like a snowcone texture but dirty black from the polution I guess. Snow is beautiful when it's fresh and nice and white, when it's falling except when you are having to drive in it, then it's not so pretty.
Just to let you know, and I am still AMAZED, that my 'wicker' (some kind of 'fake' wicker) is as weather resiistant-as advertised when I purchased.. I had it outside in Northern Calif. for three years, Moviing back to Ohio I only have a one car garage at my little cottage by the lake- no way I could fit the furniture in there. I have been so pleased at how well it has held up! Even the cushions, which REALLY should come in, only have one split zipper after 6 years...
My REAL wicker is in my breezeway, and would never see a bit of snow or rain-mostly inheirited from family.
So far, have WS:
Morning Glory Tree (Ipomea Carnea)
Rudbeckia "Moreno", "Cherry Brandy", "Cherokee Sunset"
Cypress Vine, white and mixed
Cotton (regular old cotton-beautiful blossoms!)
Marigolds, "Lemon Drop", "Dwarf Bushy", "Kilmanjaro White", "Lemon Gem"
Cosmos, "Bright Lights", "Carioca",
Hollyhocks, "Double Yellow", Mixed assortment,
Delpinium "Apple Blossom", "Blue Donna",
Nasturtium "Peach Melba"
Cleome, "Violet Queen"
Sunflowers, "Mammoth", "Maya", "White Vanilla"
Violas, "Johnny Jump-Up"
Primrose, "Common Evening", "Sunset Blvd"
Oesteopurmum ecklonis, "Fire and Ice"
Mixed Four O' Clocks
Frittalaria Camaschatcensis, known as Alaskan Lily, Chocolate Lliy (This one is a very slow grower, one grassy leaf the first year, two the second, etc. Five years or so to bloom and I am out of zone, so we'll see...)
Mini Yellow Hyacinth Bean
White Trumpet Vine
Peach Blow Sutton
Matt's Wild Cherry
Grandma Josie's White
Burpee's Big Boy
OSU Blue Fruit
White Mate' Giant
Cherokee Purple Spudakee
Still have misc. perennials, veggies, and zinnias to go.
Many seeds came from Wintersown.com, others from freebies, and various vendors. I am keeping a master list with all catagories. Began sowing on Feb.25, and continuing...
Thanks for your interest-this is a tremendous leap of faith for me!
It has been beautiful the last several days, finally the snow melted off a Helleborus I planted last summer, and it has at least seven buds and is bright green. I'm very excited about that one. In addition, and totally unexpected, found a snapdragon under the leaf mulch that is also bright green!
i guess my thinking on the tomatoes, since they are all almost all heirlooms, is that tomatoes tend to re-seed on their own in nature, so I'm giving them a try with WS.
I'll keep you posted. We still have more to do today. :)
Terese, I hope you'll give us your comparison. I WSed them 2 years ago. They were tiny when planted out but quickly caught up to their store-bought cousins. Last year I started them under lights because the weather was so cold and rainy.
Terese, I guess when you get right down to it, all we need to know is how they compared in terms of how healthy the plants are and when they bear ripe fruit. (i.e. did you get edible tomatoes from the indoor ones sooner than the WS ones).
I had thought about doing the same experiment but I'm pretty much out of space on my lighted shelves.
I think all toms need to sprout is warmth. I wish I had good bright south facing windows, but I don't. The front porch blocks sun from the first floor window and big old maple tree block bright sunshine on the south side of the house. Even when not it leaf, the branches make for filtered light at best.
I'm so excited. Looked in the jugs two days ago and saw this. Doing the happy dance :) and saying 'told you so' to my brother-in-law. So far many seedlings of Farewill-to-Spring (given to me), Yellow Hollyhocks and Salvia. These were all WS during the 'blizzard' in the first pics I posted.
Thanks to ALL for your support-been sending this pic to everyone I know-even if they only pretended to be interested in my new obssession. LOL!
I put a couple containers of hibiscus outside about 3 weeks ago (just moved them into the GH today so I can clean up other areas of the yard), and they're already going to town in my containers. How soon would it be suggested that I move these to larger/individual containers? I've never started seeds outside like this before, but they DEFINITELY look healthier, happier and green!
Remember those mustard green seedlings I WSed then planted out in the raised bed using the HOS method? Well, they're finally taking off! They were yellowish just like the mater seedlings (which have also started taking off!), but have greened up and are making it on their own.
I'm gonna start transplanting the larger of the mater seedlings into their containers, little by little out of necessity. I'll end up with a staggered crop from 1 week to 3 weeks apart. Too many seedlings and too little time in the evenings to plant everything at once. Plus, all the eggs in one basket spells disaster! Finally, having space issues, so have to make moment x moment decisions on what's going where.
ok, since we had some good rain today I thought I would check on how bad things might be messed up in the jugs... well to my surprise one jug has greennnnnnnnnnnnnnnn in it... Planted Mar 7th White Lychnis are up... the jug right beside it is pink lychnis so wonder how long it will be before they are up...
I sure hope so as we are in the middle of some monsoon rain right now... and I don't have caps, I'm trying not to worry as I keep telling myself if these were in the garden they would just be laying on top of the ground with no protection...LOL
repeating over and over and over and over to myself...
signing off for the night as we are also having a BAD thunder storm to go with the rain.
I'm so delighted about this whole process. I felt like I was proceeding on a 'wing and a prayer'. It made sense to me logically, but ran so anti to everything I had learned about seed-starting.
Faith in Mother Nature, and support from the WS community has been just what I needed after some rough bits of life these past years...
My little rain lilies are popping up all over my yard, and bulb beds, along with tulip and daffs pushing up-renewing my faith in lots of areas. My little indoor mushroom 'garden' has teeny, tiny white mushrooms now too. ;)
I've enjoyed becoming a part of everyone's WS projects on this thread-so much I've learned and tried this year.
Janet, we have the same thunderstorm here. My son, home from college is all excited. Growing up in N. Calif. he only ever experienced them when we came back here to visit. He feels like this is a great gift from M.Nature for his spring break!
I'm signing off however, since I have a VERY anxious cat slinking and darting through the house...he needs HIS mom. LOL.
this is a great place to come to keep the faith on our WS seeds.
Yes what a thunderstorm last night... it even had my youngest collie girl darting around in the garage... gosh I sure hope she isn't going to turn into a problem. I had one that oh my, but sadly I lost her last year to cancer.
I've still got over a 100 container to get planted... but the drainage holes are slowing me down...LOL
well the drill isn't working out cause it goes through but I can't get it out without the drill bit coming out. So I'm back to just using a Phillips head screwdriver that I'm hammering in through a hole.
this is why I'm not going to be using milk jugs next year...
Janet, the drill bit might be too big, or may not be seated right in the drill to hold it properly when tightened down. Most drills have a reverse, which makes backing the drill bit out easy.
If you can't get the drill working right for you, here's another suggestion. Light a large candle and lay a couple of large nail tips in the flame (or even an old phillips head screwdriver). Use one to push through the milk jug for your drain holes. When it no longer pushes easliy, trade for the other nail. Might have to use a pot holder or something to hold the nail head.
Janet, I use a dremel which works perfectly. If you use a drill, you need to use a wood bit - it's shaped like an arrow - and it'll go right through. A regular drill bit won't work well, at least it didn't for me. For about $50 it was worth it - I did over 250 jugs and it worked like a champ.
I've been off DG for a while and with a new baby in the house - don't have time to read all the threads. Silly question - is it too late in Zone 5/6 to winter sow annuals? We will have some cool weather still but probably no more snow...?
My friend used a small knife on her leatherman, and did the drainage holes before cutting the jug. We had used a drill on the first set but this was MUCH faster.
My seedling in their jugs still look green and perky after two nights of mid-twenties & one of snow. Hooray for WS!
Moonflowers coming up that were only put out ten days ago! Also have Malva, Hollyhocks, Salvia, Cotton :)
three kinds of marigolds, one little cypress vine seedling...plus the chunk of farewell-to-spring, which I got from WS site and haven't a clue what they will look like. Going to PF now!) They hve been sayng hello-to-spring here for two weeks now!
TCS1366, thanks for the info. I have a daughter and one-week old granddaughter living with us now, so life has changed rapidly in the past two weeks. Don't want to miss WSing the annuals, but it hasn't been a priority recently, lol. I will get them done by mid-April no problem! Thanks again! Cynthia
P.S. This is Hadassah Nichole (Hadassah is Esther of the Bible's Hebrew name). One week old yesterday.