This was sold to me as a Butterfly, but I don't believe it..

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Hey there fellow Acer friends!

I bought this tree a few weeks back, it was sold to me to be a Butterfly.

I have a Butterfly in my front yard, and it gets quite some sun, so I wanted to plant this one in mostly shade, in a pot.


The leaves are already coming out, but it doesn't look like a Butterfly to me...
My Butterfly in the front has no flowerbuds, and the leaf buds are bright red.

What do you think?

In any case I want to keep this tree, but if it isn't a Butterfly then my nursery has to give me a new tree.

I don't think I should tell them now, before you all have a say, I don't want to make a fool out of myself.

Thank!
Christie

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Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Her's another picture

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Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

And this is a picture of my real Butterfly in the front

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Springfield, IL(Zone 6a)

It doesn't look quite right but way too early ... fertilizer shade cloth and the age of a tree can fool ya... comparing a young newly planted tree to an older one is never a good idea. lets take a look in about a month .. it is suspicious in branch color and leaf shape but it is way too soon. My young butterfly don't look a whole lot like my older ones and those leaves a just popping.. just about any tree looks different at that stage than it does a month down the road
Davidsan

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Thank you David-San.
This potted tree that doesn't look right is much older than my baby in the front, that's why I dared to judge it by what I saw.
But, you are right, let's wait a while and repost a picture!
Christie

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Here is today's picture, what a difference in size already!

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Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

does not look like a butterfly

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

That's what I thought too...

So today i went to that nursery, and I wanted to keep quiet what I was doing there, but my husband, always the joker, said to the owner "watch out, she's on a naming business for a wrongly named tree!"

The owner asked which one, and I told him the Butterfly.
I looked at other Butterfly Maples he has, and the had way smaller leaves, as I would expect from a variegated tree.
But, small as they were, they did show the variegation!

So, the owner gave me that Butterfly, for free!
I find that very very nice of him, it was a $149 tree!!

This is the leaf on the new Butterfly I got today, you can clearly see it is variegated.


Christie

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Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

a great example of a wife under estimating her husbands judgement!!

good deal and very nice of the nursery - did you see any that looked like the first one? it probably will not be hard to name after it is larger as nurseries do not typically have too great a range of jm's.

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Yes Wha, I saw trees that looked just like mine, the basic Acer Palmatum, no cultivar. ( Unless it is going to change leaf form in a while, but I don't think so)
I have such a tree in my front yard also, it must be 50 years old, and it is as far along leafing out, they are the fastest new leaves on the block!

My husband and the nursery man are friends, but I told him not to mention anything until I had proof!

Now I'm glad he blurted it out, I have 2 trees!

Christie

Sacramento, CA(Zone 9a)

That's great news! And a smart business move for the nursery to make! Hopefully you will still enjoy your unnamed acer.

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

GardenSox, you are right, it will always remain the "name-that-tree" game, but it *is* a beauty, and I know it is a named grafted tree, and not some mutt I raised from seed!

I have a seed raised tree, and it is pretty, but not as shapely.

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

Glad that your nurseryman gave you a new tree. I do love butterfly and have a very old one - probably 25 years. Sounds as if you had room for two! ARe you going to transplant the seedling that you got originally or keep it in it's place?

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Nah, I'll keep em both in pots.
The Species may need to be moved into more sun, I'm not sure.

Any guesses, anybody? I think it is the Palmatum plain and fine!

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Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

Those seeds don't look like the seeds on my seedlings Mrs.colla. Maybe we'll know more when the leaves finally open up.

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Oh Doss, that previous photo is the tree that was supposed to be a Butterfly, and the nursery let me keep it.
The seedling is this one here

Christie

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Big Sandy, TX(Zone 8a)

We have a Butterfly that Maggi brought home last Fall and I planted in front of our propane tan
( should of planted an evergreen). It is a two year old tree and I was wondering how big a big a $149. tree was? mrs_colla do you have a picture of the whole tree? thanks.

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

It is about 5 feet.
I think the Monrovia grower plants are that price, so others follow it.

If you want a really grown up, sturdy tree, you can order one from Lucile at Whitman farms. She sends big sturdy trees.

( I am not affiliated with her)

The photo is the *real* Butterfly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_e73RI_ZDsthis is a movie with my back yard Maples in it, you can see both trees on my deck under the bare Oak.

Christie

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Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

davidsans japanese maples is another great place you should check out for the butterfly ken

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Here is my mystery tree again, completely leafy! It is a beauty, no matter what she is!

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Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

You are right. IT's a beautiful tree.

Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

a close up of some leaves might help figuring out what it is - it looks great!

do you know there is a turtle in the planter that looks like it will eat the bark!!!!

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Wha, it is a porcelain turtle! ;-)

I have a close up!

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Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

porcelain or not it looks hungry.

hope someone can id this for you:)

Springfield, IL(Zone 6a)

Likely just a generic green Acer Palmatum... I don't see anything that looks different than that .Hoew anyone could have even sold that for any named cultivar is odd let alone a Butterfly. It has been well trimmed and has nice form so someone took care of it for a few years again odd. You can get a crappy tree out of a named cultivar and a beautiful one out of a Mutt... just like dogs and cats...But you will never know for sure .. I have hundreds of green Acer Pamatums that look identical although not as big or as nice form ... but then mine are used for rootstock and not well kept since the tops will be nipped off anyway. David(san)

Springfield, IL(Zone 6a)

In addition in looking closely at the trunk there seems to be no noticable graft .. those low knobs are possible the second one maybe... but more likely just early trimmed branches and two being so close .grafts. i think not... The green trunk all the way up along with the pretty typical leaves seems to scream generic to me .. Dazvid(san)

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

My favorite maple in my garden is a seedling and yours is in beautiful shape. Enjoy!

Milford, DE

Butterfly has a tendency to revert. If a grafter does not remove the reversions from their stock plant before defoliation then the odds of grafting a green plant or reversion are very high. It is highly possible someone grafted a reversion from the butterfly and never removed it from the pack.

Dave

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Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

that sounds likely dave - a local nursery here has several butterfly's with reverted growth branches and have never trimmed them off - have mentioned it to them a few times and almost brought my hand trimmers to do it for them - owner said she did not have time to do it - 24 months and counting.

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Dave, that must be what happened! The tag was well on the tree, it will not have been blown off.
So now I have a species, or is it not even that?

My real Butterfly had a few green leaves, and I am so paranoid about reverting I took them off...

Christie

Milford, DE

I is not a species but it reverts back to the palmatum. You will be forever picking the reversions out of this plant. Small price to pay for a pretty plant.

Dave

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

I take off green leaves every year from my Butterfly. There aren't many though. It's 25 years old so it's something that you have to keep after. You don't really need a clipper as you can usually strip them by hand if they are new. No reason not to get that done!

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

I just discovered 2 teensy weensy branches on it that are Butterfly!!! One all the way on the top, and one in the back!

I am not going to strip it all because there are 2 Butterfly wings on it though, but now the puzzle is solved.

The nursery should have paid closer attention while the tree was under their care! It reverted!

Stanford, CA(Zone 9b)

Now you will have a lovely Palmatum and I hope that the nursery does right by you.

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

Doss, they already gave me a Butterfly that IS a Butterfly, I convinced them mine wasn't what the tag said.

So I am happy with both trees.

I wonder if all the variegation will dissapear on that reverted tree. Looks kind of cool, all green with 2 variegated branches.

I'll post a photo tomorrow!

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

I guess my question was right off the bat, why doesn't she want to tell him?

Marin, CA(Zone 9b)

I didn't want to tell him right away, I wanted to wait until it was fully leafed out.
When I started to have suspicions, it wasn't fully in leaf, and I didn't want to make a fool out of myself before I was sure.

But my DH blurted it out anyhow :-)

Pepperell, MA(Zone 6a)

jnette go back to the beginning of the thread and that was discussed already

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