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ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

March 12, 2010
2:19 PM

Post #7624313

The camellias this year have been prettier than they have been in years. The buds are holding on the plant and the flowers are much larger than normal when they do open. I also noticed a lot of buds on my banana shrub, Michelia figo, this year. This particular shrub rarely has more than a few buds at a time and this year it is loaded.

Do you think it could be the abundant rainfall? I would have thought we had too much. Or, perhaps it is the more consistant temperatures. Usually we swing back and forth between hot and cold and this winter it was all cold.

What do you think?

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CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

March 12, 2010
4:57 PM

Post #7624627

I've have the same thing going on with the camellias, why I'm not sure. They look as happy as they have ever been.
BSD
Conway, SC

March 12, 2010
7:17 PM

Post #7624903

I agree with you both. My camellias have never had such an abundance of blooms. We can only hope that the cold also took care of the insects that cause so much damage on camellias. I've also noticed an abundance of daffodil blooms and it looks like the tulips are going to do the same thing. Let's all get some pictures of our beautiful blooms and show them off. I could not resist the anemones at the nursery today. Does anyone elso love this plant as much as I do ?

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ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

March 13, 2010
5:51 AM

Post #7625550

My neighbor had beautiful anemones this year and the deer stripped every flower off - beware.

Here is one of the camelllia flowers

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rednyr
Sumter, SC
(Zone 8a)

March 13, 2010
2:31 PM

Post #7626548

I really think the consistent temps have had a huge effect - i recall the last few years the warm up started everything going and then the freeze killed it back and the saga went back and forth like 4 times during the winter so I'm willing to bet the consistent temps helped..but what do i know LOL!!!
bonjon
Raleigh, NC

March 13, 2010
3:51 PM

Post #7626696

Our camellia, from which I usually pick bouquets for Christmas day AND Valentines Day, is in full bloom now. during the cold, it just stopped opening the buds.
CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

March 13, 2010
7:34 PM

Post #7627161

I don't know if I just have great conditions for camellias or what but I have zero insect problems or any other kinds of problems. Stick them in the ground and forget. It doesn't get cold enough to stop a camellia from blooming here but I really don't know how well they grow in other places, if fact till I moved here I had never seen anything bloom during the winter. Except for pine trees nothing had leaves either.

ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

March 14, 2010
6:53 AM

Post #7627984

It may be the salt air. I am not sure, but I too have few if any problems with my camellias. I can only think of one time when I had tea scale on a sasanqua. It makes me think I probably brought the scale in when I bought the plant.


This is a specis camellia Handelii that I just had to have recently. I found it at Massee Lane Gardens, home of the American Camellia Society. The flowers are just 1" across but just look at how many of them there are on each branch. The branches weep too, it is a really different looking camellia.

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bonjon
Raleigh, NC

March 14, 2010
8:44 AM

Post #7628201

from what I've heard of camellias, they are not easy to establish, but once established, they are indestructable.

photo of ours. It was here when we moved in. As you can see, it's huge, and planted much much too close to the house. The birds (one set is cardinals) that reside inside sometimes peck on the wood of the house and can be heard in the living room!

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ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

March 14, 2010
9:37 AM

Post #7628342

A two story camellia - WOW. That is a beauty; your birds are forrtunate to have such a lovely abode. :-)
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

March 14, 2010
1:11 PM

Post #7628761

I know this thread is about the abundance of camellia blossoms, but I have noticed an increase in my daphne blooms, too. My daphne has never had such a display of blossoms as I am enjoying currently. All I have to do is open the patio door and inhale its sweet perfume, which I do constantly. It's a real joy when it is in bloom.
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

March 14, 2010
2:01 PM

Post #7628859

Isn't it amazing! That is just how my banana shrub is this year; just covered with bods and flowers. It is nice to think that something positive came out of this hateful winter. I thought maybe the azalea flowers would have been harmed but now I am anxiously awaiting them.
BSD
Conway, SC

March 14, 2010
5:55 PM

Post #7629431

Ardesia, that camellia is beautiful. I've added it to my "I want list". I probably should not have mentioned the cold keeping away insect and disease from camellias because mine are 40 year old bushes and I have almost no problems with them. When you live in mosquitoe heaven like we do the long cold winters help alot. Trying hard to find some good in such a miserable winter.
All of your pictures are beautiful.
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

March 14, 2010
6:26 PM

Post #7629515

Here's my daphne. Just look at the buds and blooms:

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BSD
Conway, SC

March 14, 2010
7:12 PM

Post #7629613

Hemophobic: I am so jealous of your Daphne. I have the same one and it has been very slow growing. I received it from a friend who had rooted it for me from her bush. It is 2 years old and only about 12" high. Is there any special treatment or care for these beautiful bushes? I can almost smell yours when I look at the picture. Heavenly!
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

March 14, 2010
7:16 PM

Post #7629620

LOL, I was imagining I could smell it also. JUst beautiful!
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

March 15, 2010
3:41 PM

Post #7631640

Thank you both for your comments. It smells divine! All I have to do is open the back door and the fragrance wafts in. Heaven!

BSD: I have given mine no special care. I just plopped it in that bed and it is now at least 3X3 and I have a couple of branches in a glass now that I'm hoping to root. That is a slightly raised bed and has good drainage and I think that's important for daphnes. I have one in Asheville that's in a totally raised bed and this is its first year to bloom for me. It's been in the ground for 4 years, so they take a while to establish and you'd best have it where you want it because they resent being moved. I'll never be without one because they smell like spring itself. So glad I could share it with you both!

Here's a shot of most of the bush itself:

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bordersandjacks
Seabrook, SC
(Zone 8b)

March 15, 2010
3:41 PM

Post #7631646

I love the daphne! Every year I plan on planting more when mine is in bloom. I also have fragrant sarcococca and edgeworthia blooming, I like the wafts of fragrance.
BSD
Conway, SC

March 15, 2010
6:12 PM

Post #7632084

Hemophobic: Thank you for the advise. I do have four blooms on my little 16" bush that I lean over and smell every morning. I am glad there is still hope that it will grow a little more. Thanks again.

Bonjon: That looks like a Professor Sargent from what I can make out. If so, you can cut it back after it blooms and also I have thinned mine out. It blooms beautifully every year

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bonjon
Raleigh, NC

March 22, 2010
4:02 PM

Post #7648661

BSD - I would trim it back if I thought it would come back. But, I've trimmed off blossoming branches as high up as I can easily reach. It hasn't come back on the low side AT ALL.

Having said that - I'd trim it back if you know how I can use the trimmed cuttings to create more! I love this and would like to have MORE and some to share with family members that are agaga at this one.

It has no scent, though. I'd love to know the names of some of the fragrant camellias I've heard of that would grow well here.
jlj072174
Raleigh, NC
(Zone 8a)

March 31, 2010
3:35 AM

Post #7668773

Bonjon -- Hi neighbor! :-) I wondered the same thing about using the trimmings to make new plants. I wonder if they're like some plants that you can put in a bucket of water and they'll root. Anyone know? I have a rather large camelia as well (about 15' tall), and I need to trim it back from the sidewalk and shed (so I can get through there). I'd love to create a few more of this plant if the trimmings will root. Anyone know?
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

March 31, 2010
3:53 AM

Post #7668788

Cuttings are often difficult but some have good luck sticking the cuttings in a bucket of damp sand. I have better luck with air layering and I get a larger plant to start with.
jlj072174
Raleigh, NC
(Zone 8a)

March 31, 2010
6:16 AM

Post #7668974

Thx much, Ardesia! I'll give that a shot. I love my Camelia; it just looks like it's on steroids, as much and as high as it grows!
bordersandjacks
Seabrook, SC
(Zone 8b)

March 31, 2010
3:25 PM

Post #7670222

Alice (Ardesia) is the Queen of Propagation. Our county extension agent calls her in to teach propagation classes to new master gardeners and in the community.

I am the black cloud of propagation. I have a sign up that says, "I tried, but it died." Fortunately, Alice shares!
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

April 1, 2010
6:14 AM

Post #7671489

Aw Shucks, I am afraid I have murdered more than my share of plants also. I am a do as I say not as I do gardener. Isn't it Tony Avant who says you have to kill a plant 3 times before you say it won't grow in your location.

CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

April 1, 2010
8:39 AM

Post #7671861

I've had some issues with sun, water, etc. Some of the plants I get seeds for end in a quick death over being in the wrong climate or not hardy enough for this area. Some work out well.
StonoRiver
Johns Island, SC

April 1, 2010
8:29 PM

Post #7673365

Yup, Ardesia, that's "Pure" Tony! Even has a T-shirt to that effect. We've killed more than three to prove they won't grow here on this property, and I believe we now qualify as "professional assasins". The list is surprising to us, considerering everybody all around us produce beatiful plants of the same species. For example, Loropetalume. Who can't grow dat? Beautiful specimens all over Charleston in hundreds of different micro-climates, but we can't get one to last more than a year, let alone flourish. Osmanthus fragrans is another one (although an outlier). We've got two that we've had for probably 10 years, but they ain't happy! Puny, is the best I can describe them. A UPS truck ran over the roots of the bigger one, which didn't help it any! Clearly not happy. Ligularia, Indian Hawthorne, Plumbago, Acanthus, Echinacea, the failure list is endless. In spite of the endless hours hours we spent trying to "coax them" to fruition. It's a strange world we live in...(and yeah, we get our soil tested every year, so that's not the problem...) But the good news is, we've learned to go with the flow..."if it works, don't fix it"...
bordersandjacks
Seabrook, SC
(Zone 8b)

April 2, 2010
3:11 AM

Post #7673625

Stono, glad to hear you say this. Plumbago and Echinacea are annuals as far as I'm concerned, and I've had an Acanthus for years that has gotten slightly bigger, but never bloomed.
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

April 2, 2010
4:47 AM

Post #7673720

LOL, my bugaboo is brugmansias. How in the world can everyone but me grow those things????????
CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

April 2, 2010
6:52 PM

Post #7675502

Osmanthus fragrans seems to be picky about where it's planted. I just needed something on the shady side of my house and the tea olives grew so well I dug a few up due to over crowding and transplanted them. Transplants have not found a happy home. Don't know what's up with that but it seems I got lucky on the first try.

Loropetalum chinense??/ LOL. That's a tricky little devil.


I have problems with brugmansias and it seems to always be with water and sun light. Can't seem to work out the right combo.

I also have a complete inability to use peat moss in anything. Tried, failed, drowned, death by fungus. Tried those peat pellets one year for seed starting, won't try that a again.
StonoRiver
Johns Island, SC

April 2, 2010
8:48 PM

Post #7675799

I share your frustration, core! It seems the more you fuss over them, the more recalcitrant they become. I've had good luck with a Brugmansia "Charles Grimaldi" in a spot where it shouldn't do well, but comes back reliably every year from the roots. It's shooting up foliage even as we "speak"... In a last minute "desperation move" before the first freeze last winter, I made two cuttings of this thing with the hope of offering them for sale at "Plantasia" (Charleston thing). They've both survived, and are flowering! Really strange to see a foot-and-a-half tall Bruggie with a 2' flower dangling from it...
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

April 3, 2010
3:32 AM

Post #7676292

That "Charleston thing", Plantasia, that Stono refers to is going to be held on April 24th on the grounds of the Gaillard Auditorium in downtown Charleston. All sorts of exceptional, and in many cases rare, plants will be for sale to benefit the Charleston Horticultural Society. The time is 8 a.m. to noon but you need to be there right at 8 to get the prime plant material. They also have a real yard sale with garden "stuff" at bargain prices. Admission is free and it will be held rain or shine.

StonoRiver
Johns Island, SC

April 3, 2010
8:30 PM

Post #7678232

Pray for shine, Ardesia! That year that we had cold rain (think it was '04, but it's permanently blocked from memory!) was horrible for us "worker bees"... But your advice is dead on! Get there early! In all honesty over the many years I've done this thing, most of the unusual/breakthrough stuff is gone by 9 a.m. It's kinda scary, how quickley the "good stuff" gets gone! We had a Mahonia "Tender Caress" selected out and set aside under the table, but it got gone in the melee. I'll be in the "Gold Medal Plant" thingie again this year...if you make it up here, please intoduce yourself! I've got some neat stuff to appear in "Members Favorites" this year...Some 2-3-4 yr old Key Lime trees, some 2 year old Vigna Caracalla vines, Hibiscuss Coccinea, Odontonema Strictum...etc. Should be a good year, in spite of the economy!
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

April 4, 2010
3:16 AM

Post #7678637

It's on my calendar but I may have all the kids home that weekend and they always trump plants.
I have a Mahonia "Tender Caress" in a container on my deck and it is a great plant. Although it was young it had no trouble with the wacky weather this past winter, it was blooming on the gloomiest of days.
StonoRiver
Johns Island, SC

April 5, 2010
8:28 PM

Post #7683048

I'm old enough to understand "trump" Ardesia!... We tried and tried all last year to get a Mahonia "Tender Caress", but it wasn't available anywhere, which I thought was really strange---considering we'd hyped it so much at CHS. Couple of weeks ago, I was sent to Hyam's in search of some strange Ardesia that I'd never heard of. Couldn't find it, but I DID find a Mahonia "Tender Caress" available for purchase. I snatched it up! And got off the hook for failing to find the Ardesia. Sometimes things just work themselves out...
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

April 6, 2010
3:36 AM

Post #7683393

I got mine as a promo at a national gardening confab and have been very pleased with it's characteristics and growth, it was just a baby when I got it. Picked it up at the Novalis booth. They had quite a few interesting plants that are being introduced right in our own backyard but seem to be hard to find around here. Go figure.
CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

April 6, 2010
6:44 AM

Post #7683729

Him does that mean I'm old if I know what the phrase "trump" means??? Think I'm the cross over generation, know how to play cards and domino's and at the same time have great Mario skills. LOL.
StonoRiver
Johns Island, SC

April 13, 2010
6:50 PM

Post #7703781

What's a "Mario", Core? I'd say that's an operational definition of "old"... You ain't "old" if you know what a "Mario" is...
CoreHHI
Bluffton, SC
(Zone 9a)

April 13, 2010
7:25 PM

Post #7703862

Most famous video game of all time. Something like 10 versions over time. Mario Brothers was the game that came with the first Nintendo game system and they keep making different versions as new machines come out.
bonjon
Raleigh, NC

May 25, 2010
9:10 PM

Post #7828243

hey Artesia, you there?

been swamped with garden stuff, not been on here since I last posted on here. just now saw your comment on starting cuttings in bucket of sand.

any particular time best?

Because I spent six weeks cleaning house and yard for local iris society meeting at my house. Had new exterminator come in and told me I need to trim that camellia back - we had cockroarch infestation in house, he says they are getting on, falling on roof from the trees, from there getting in through hole somewhere. They are wood roaches, trees are their natural habitat, they are getting in from roofline. Unlike german cockroaches, not as bad, and one spraying OUTSIDE the house has eliminated them.

He says they'll be back unless I trim the camellia, then if that doesn't work, trim back VERY high up branches.

So, I gotta trim the camellia. Might as well make baby camellias, right?
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

May 26, 2010
4:38 AM

Post #7828617

Whew, you are one busy person. We also have to keep all the shrubbery well away from the house to keep the critters at bay.

I like to air layer camellias but if you have to trim quickly, I would try the bucket of sand. I believe it was Stono who told me he uses the sand bucket method. If my memory serves, you fill a bucket with damp sand, stick your cuttings and put it aside in a shady place for a while. I imagine you would use a rooting hormone and be sure to keep the sand moist. Good luck.
bonjon
Raleigh, NC

May 27, 2010
3:18 AM

Post #7832258

thnx
StonoRiver
Johns Island, SC

May 27, 2010
2:49 PM

Post #7834116

Ardesia's got it right, bonjon. I used a 5 gallon bucket that once held "Strongicid" (some horsey medicine) that a friend donated. Drilled a few small holes in the bottom, put about 8" of sand in it, filled the bucket with water and let it drain out. The cuttings were "green wood", and I did use rooting hormone on them. I covered the top of the bucket with translucent plastic (tied tight), and put it in the woods behind the greenhouse (dappled shade, no direct sun). Two months later I had 27 out of 30 very healthy rooted cuttings. To get the cuttings out without totally destroying the nice new roots, I gently filled the bucket with water and poured them out. Mistake. I couldn't pot them fast enough to keep the roots moist. So I potted as many as I could, left 12 plants in the bucket, misted them thoroughly, covered the bucket with the plastic, and went to make more potting soil... They all lived, though.
bonjon
Raleigh, NC

May 28, 2010
9:38 AM

Post #7836121

got buckets galore^_^
StonoRiver
Johns Island, SC

May 28, 2010
7:54 PM

Post #7838110

Anyone with "buckets galore" is a very lucky person, bonjon... Most usefull creation since the wheel, IMHO...

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