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Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

March 23, 2010
5:06 PM

Post #7651235

Winter sowing - 2010 - what's sprouting? It's time for some of those jugeye photos of your sprouts, sparse or chia pets!

We came from here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1078909/




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msrobin
Caneyville, KY
(Zone 6b)

March 23, 2010
5:13 PM

Post #7651249

No photos yet, but got another sprouter. Nasturtium this time. And I decided that next year I need a better class of flowers. LOL!

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 23, 2010
5:26 PM

Post #7651288

I opened the one bin and said.. "WOW" there were a bunch that germinated today.. didn't have time before dark to write em down.. but will tomorrow.. I don't know about the little bins my WS things are in.. but my unheated greenhouse .. I have one of those high / low thermometers and since the weekend.. the low was 47 in there... not bad

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 23, 2010
5:57 PM

Post #7651378

I have more calendulas, dianthus, silene, and sweet peas now...
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2010
6:28 PM

Post #7651433

I don't have anything sprouting??? What have I done wrong? Do you think my jugs need to be in a full sun location? I have them on the north side of the house...is that enough sun? I only have one little Malva that sprouted. LoL

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 23, 2010
6:38 PM

Post #7651446

don't panic yet. give it some more time

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 23, 2010
7:26 PM

Post #7651580

Anita... mine do get quite a bit of sun... but that also means, i need to water some of them almost daily... shade is just fine.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2010
7:27 PM

Post #7651584

Anita, your problem is that you live in the north. Just give it time. Mine were under snow until a couple of weeks ago. I always keep mine on the north side of my house, too, and with good results.

Your time is coming soon.

Karen
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2010
7:48 PM

Post #7651622

Ok, I feel like I'm pregnant for the first time with my due date nearing. LoL waiting with great anticipation!!! ;-)
msrobin
Caneyville, KY
(Zone 6b)

March 23, 2010
8:22 PM

Post #7651700

Anita, LOL!

Mine are on the north side of my house in the shade. As they sprout, I move them out to get a little sun.
sissy70
Rushville, IN
(Zone 5b)

March 23, 2010
8:54 PM

Post #7651790

almost everything i put out inthe jugs are sprouting hosta, purple cone flower, marigolds,and many many more
hey diamond just hang in there i worried all winter

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diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
5:21 AM

Post #7652102

Karen, you're right! I am further north than some of you having sprouts already.

Sissy and I are in the same state and Terese and I are in the same zone, but Terese is a little north of me. I find it interesting that all the different variables changes the sprouting dates. that gives me time to get my new beds together. LoL

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 24, 2010
5:28 AM

Post #7652121

Anita -- i is possible that i got less snow than you did too. [we really didnt get a lot this year] and temps too. maybe you were colder.

every year is different. and just like you mentioned... many variables.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
5:35 AM

Post #7652138

Does the snow slow down or speed up germination?

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 24, 2010
5:51 AM

Post #7652164

that may depend on the seed. The snow will protect/insulate the contains... there are seeds that will germinate while 'wrapped' in a blanket of snow, I've had a few over the yrs [but can't recall which ones] ... but i think most need a warmer soil temp.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
6:16 AM

Post #7652206

We have had some 60 degree temperature but we are still dropping pretty close to freezing each night. The clematis and black berry seems it would neeed the freezing and thawing.
CrabgrassCentrl
New Milford, CT

March 24, 2010
6:17 AM

Post #7652207

Anita, I'm in your zone and I admit I'm getting a bit anxious too, seeing others in our zone having sprouts already. I have to keep reminding myself that it still gets down to the mid-30s at night, and one morning recently was 24.

Taps foot ...
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
6:35 AM

Post #7652248

Crabgrass, yes I started looking at the maps after Karen's post. I am further north than some who are getting sprouts. And others, it may be the different conditions i.e. full sun location. It makes sense once you think about it. The sun warms the bottles and creates the tempurature the seeds need to germinate, hence, faster germination. It's quite a bit cooler and my north side doesn't not get near as much sunlight as my southside. My southside is so hot at times that it burns to touch the storm door. LoL

I placed a few bottles out front just to see what happens. Hopefully my neighbors won't notice. I'm sure someone is going to come along and want to know what's in the box next to my front door. LoL

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 24, 2010
6:38 AM

Post #7652255

mine also sit on a paver patio... that heats up with the sun, so they are warmer. but for me, it's really the only location i have for them, anything else is outside the fence -- where the neighbors dog can get at them. [he's not leashed]
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
6:47 AM

Post #7652269

LoL it's funny you should say that. Mine are inside the fence on the back but exposed on the front. I'm praying nothing and no one bothers my babies. I did place them in a box. I don't get many visitors, so hopefully, they will be okay. We have cats that are always on the loose but they are usually after the moles and rabbits.

gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
6:58 AM

Post #7652296

Anita, I prefer a north or eastern exposure for my containers- that way they don't warm up and start sprouting till spring has really arrived. Sometimes when they're in a southern exposure, they warm up quite early and start sprouting, while there is still danger of temps in the teens or below.

Msrobin, I meant to mention to you, it would be a good idea to keep an eye on your Zinnia seedlings. They tend to be frost sensitive, which just means you may want to cover them if temps get in the 20s or below.

Yesterday while checking my containers, I found another dozen had germinated! I think that makes 54 sprouted so far, which is by far the most I've ever had this early. I think that's simply because I sowed a lot of cool season germinators like Digitalis, Dianthus, Penstemons, etc.
msrobin
Caneyville, KY
(Zone 6b)

March 24, 2010
7:03 AM

Post #7652306

Thanks, will watch out for falling temps and cover if need be. :)
I love WInter Sowing!
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
7:51 AM

Post #7652397

Thanks Neal! I think I can relax now, I wish I would have started some of seeds eaerlier.

Last night I started:

Clematis Nelly Moser
Clematis (???)
Blackberry and Candy Lily
Clyclops Poppies
Double Mix Poppies
White Hibiscus...and some other I can't remember irght now. LoL
CrabgrassCentrl
New Milford, CT

March 24, 2010
9:09 AM

Post #7652567

OK, all this good news got me off my duff and outside into the howling winds of March. SUCCESS! Here's what's sprouted so far:

Xerochrysum bracteatum /strawflower (2 jugs)
Aquilegia vulgaris "William Guiness" / European Columbine (1 jug)
Dianthus chinensis Telstar Picotee / China Pinks (2 jugs)
Dianthus barbatus / Sweet William "Heart Attack" (3 jugs)
Nepeta subsessilis / Catmint (2 jugs)

Wheeeee! Already I'm getting better percentage than last year (my first trying WS). Now I just have to nurse them along ... last year I lost quite a few to the unseasonable cold of May & June.

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meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

March 24, 2010
9:30 AM

Post #7652596

The chipmonks have found my jugs as there is a bird feeder not far from them... oh my, I caught one jumping from one jug to another over the weekend... they are so cute but so destructive...

So we can plant out Poppies? I've never grown them and I've been trying to figure out a way to WS them and not have to worry so much about transplanting them since they don't like it.

How are the rest of you doing it?

Janet
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
10:24 AM

Post #7652674

Good question??? Can we WS poppies? I hope so! I assumed that since poppies were periennials and self sows that they were good for WS.
CrabgrassCentrl
New Milford, CT

March 24, 2010
10:33 AM

Post #7652686

I hope so, Anita. I sowed 3 jugs of Papaver Somniferum "Lauren's Grape" a couple of weeks ago. The info I included in my spreadsheet (which I think I got from the DG WS database) says germination hapens in about 20 days after temps reach 70 degrees.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 24, 2010
11:55 AM

Post #7652820

Poppies easily WS and you can plant them out early.

I recall Karen gets hers out early too, but i can't recall what she said for when
but i'd think in zone6 you are getting there. they are cold hardy enough, and transplanted when small - they dont seem to mind.

I'll probably plant mine out in a month... hang on... i'll check my spreadsheet for what i've done in the past...

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 24, 2010
11:57 AM

Post #7652825

last year i did 3 gallon jugs... all germinated within the same week [mid-March] and all were planted out on April 23rd.
they were about 5-6 weeks old when planted out.
stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 24, 2010
12:27 PM

Post #7652877

One of my sweet peas is trying to escape its jug!

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diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
4:20 PM

Post #7653411

I am so happy to announce that I am the proud mother of Delphinium Blue Pacific Mix sprouts! I got jugitius and decided to go out to check them out. Sure enough, I saw green! I have a couple of containers that have a couple of sprouts but the names have come off. Luckily, I did make record of what I've planted so I will be able to figure out what it is.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 24, 2010
4:41 PM

Post #7653469

that's great Anita!!

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 24, 2010
4:48 PM

Post #7653491

15 down... 43 to go http://davesgarden.com/community/journals/vbc/onewish1/85184/

I WS poppies last & this year... I transplanted them just fine last year... but this year I WS'ed them in cow pots
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
5:06 PM

Post #7653554

Thanks Teresa! It's amazing from last night to today I've had babies pop through the soil.
Hemophobic
Kannapolis, NC

March 24, 2010
5:57 PM

Post #7653694

See how exciting it is when they start to sprout? It's like Christmas all over again.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
6:02 PM

Post #7653709

I am excited!!! I don't even care that some of the names disappeared off of the containers. LoL I figure I can figure that out when I need to. I'm just happy to have some babies. Most of the items I planted were flowers I really, really wanted, it's a win, win for me.!
stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 24, 2010
7:20 PM

Post #7653921

WSing is addictive! I've already started saving jugs for next year! LOL
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2010
7:24 PM

Post #7653931

I have radicle emergence on my penstemon smallii, I'm happy about that one. I wasn't even sure my seeds were mature until today.

Karen
lisabees
Centennial, CO
(Zone 5a)

March 24, 2010
8:50 PM

Post #7654082

I am trying to be patient, but it is HARD when I have to listen to all you people crowing about your sprouts ;-]! Maybe I should've started earlier - I WS'd onions & peas (as well as flowers) but those are seeds I'll be wanting to plant in the ground soon!
msrobin
Caneyville, KY
(Zone 6b)

March 24, 2010
8:57 PM

Post #7654092

Hang in there Lisa, you still have a few more weeks. :)

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 25, 2010
2:56 AM

Post #7654269

Lisa I just sowed mine end of Feb and beginning of March... the current weather has a lot to do with it
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2010
10:00 AM

Post #7655023

Lisa, I'm in zone 5 and I was worried one day because I had only one sprout but the next day I checked one of my containers and had several sprouts.

This is not a very clear picture but you can see the green babies that have poked through. it looks like quite a few.

Of course, tonight the temperature is supposed to drop down to below freezing. So we will see how they do!

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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 25, 2010
4:42 PM

Post #7655821


Well folks, I believed the weatherman and left my brugs out last night and the one that looked like it was going to bloom early this year froze. Not bad, but enough that the blooms are in doubt now.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 25, 2010
4:47 PM

Post #7655836

supposed to go down to 30 here tomorrow night too

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 25, 2010
4:53 PM

Post #7655855

the weather liars have been "off" here for at least a few days.
Today i had to put the winter coat back on... winds HOWLING out of the north,,, we never hit 40.

Jeannette, I certainly hope your Brug blooms for you.
FruitOfTheVine
Blue Ridge Mtns, VA
(Zone 7a)

March 25, 2010
5:03 PM

Post #7655887

If it weren't raining I'd check the jugs to see what else is sprouting. Off the top of my head, there's a few Agastaches and the Silene armeria from you Anita is thick as thieves. A bunch of Hollyhocks are almost ready to transplant and Lazlo's mystery mix is going bangbusters.

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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 25, 2010
5:12 PM

Post #7655907

Thanks, I do too. It has not bloomed before and I am not sure which one it is. For some weird reason I lost the tag. I am so careful of that too.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2010
5:15 PM

Post #7655915

I am so excited to you Susan! I'm glad those seeds are performing well for you. I cannot wait to get home to see if I have more babies.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 25, 2010
5:16 PM

Post #7655916

look like they are trying to escape from that jug
stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 25, 2010
5:30 PM

Post #7655941

Woot! I have jalapenos sprouting today!! Some of my maters are starting to get their real leaves and many of my other jugs are going like gangbusters!
FruitOfTheVine
Blue Ridge Mtns, VA
(Zone 7a)

March 25, 2010
6:05 PM

Post #7656019

How cool is that, Steph.

Does that mean I can start veggies and herb seeds in jugs now? I usually plant them in flats in mid-April and baby them along since our last frost date isn't til around May 15th I'm just itching to plant more seeds.


meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

March 25, 2010
6:30 PM

Post #7656108

We are getting snow right now, but I'm leaving it to mother nature as I'm not going out to put tops on or even a blanket cause I just keep thinking if they had been in the flower beds they wouldn't be getting any special attention... if I lose some I lose some... and then I'll know better for next year.

Janet

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 25, 2010
6:38 PM

Post #7656143

Unless they're super-tender, they'll be fine. I had dianthus live last year, they sprouted and got snowed on, for a week.
stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 25, 2010
7:14 PM

Post #7656282

Yes, you can do herbs and veggies. I winter sowed all my bell peppers, jalapenos, and tomatoes that way. I also did several herbs.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 25, 2010
7:17 PM

Post #7656293

It's too cold here too late to do tomatoes, peppers and basil, I think. Some local WS's tried, and didn't get much in the way of tomatoes and peppers till August.
lisabees
Centennial, CO
(Zone 5a)

March 25, 2010
9:24 PM

Post #7656563

I'm still waiting to do any veggies (except onions & peas) I know it's too early - but soon! I still have nothing showing on the things I planted earlier though :o(. This is my second year WS'ing, so I know it works... but I'm impatient!
LynnPhillips
Buckley, WA
(Zone 7b)

March 25, 2010
9:31 PM

Post #7656578

Love everyone's Jugeye photos!
clpgirl
Chippewa Lake, OH
(Zone 5b)

March 25, 2010
10:16 PM

Post #7656673

AAArgh!!! After wonderful little sucesses the past two weeks, and completely finishing my WSing today, there are now 3 inches of snow on my containers, and the ground with a temp of 30 deg outside. Had lots and lots of tulips, daffs, crocus, etc. either in bloom or close to and my green sprouting WS jugs...supposed to be two nights of mid-twenties, this weather makes me crazy, but I have to keep believing that M. Nature knows her plan, just wish I DID!!!!!

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 26, 2010
2:50 AM

Post #7656879

I have a ton of daffs with buds that might all be trashed after today as well
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2010
4:28 AM

Post #7657002

Celene, I have wintersowed tomatoes successfully here in Cincinnati. Our weather isn't much different from yours.

It's true that the plants start out small. Mine have been only 4" to 5" tall at plant out time in mid May. But once the weather warms up they take off and mine produced fruit at the same time as the nursery bought plants that were 12'-15" tall at plant out. One option is to grow shorter DTM varieties too, to give you toms until the longer DTMs produce their fruit.

Karen

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 26, 2010
5:05 AM

Post #7657042

Next year I'm trying some just to see.

My sprouted jugs have an inch of snow...I'm nervous.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2010
5:08 AM

Post #7657056

A dusting of snow out there today here too. Yuck!
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2010
5:09 AM

Post #7657059

You could still do them now, Celene. In fact, it's the perfect time. I just sowed mine a few days ago. You could WSow them any time in the next few weeks.

Karen

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 26, 2010
5:23 AM

Post #7657100

snow never stopped my winter sowing,,, just plunk the jugs right into the snow. It is a good insulator. I'm sure they are warmer in a snow bank then if they were out in the open with the 20-something temps.

My 'task bar' temp program is readying 27 at the moment... the sun is out brightly, but i do not think it will be a warm day, just bright.

I have some sowing i need to get done today... plus DH will be gone for the day, so i will be "car-less" -- so i have a wonderful day planned ... sowing and transplanting.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2010
5:58 AM

Post #7657191

Teresa, isn't it a wonderful thing to be left alone to do your thing??? I was at work the other day washing my jugs and 2 liter bottles, cutting and making holes. The men at work thought I was nuts...but they left me alone!!! LoL They don't believe in this WSing thing but once my flowers are growing strong, they will!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 26, 2010
6:10 AM

Post #7657217

Anita, my DH was that way. The first year, he thought i was nuts... then he saw all the plants, that i did not have to buy ... still, since i have to do it in the kitchen... i try to do it when no one else is home. works best that way.

I have a full bag, the 55qt size, of miracle gro, only 2 gal jugs... but i have various sizes of nursery pots and a 'flat' on my DR table that needs to be filled.

I still have a few more hrs before i go out and check the jugs... it's still COLD out there. and the sun hits that area of the patio maybe around 11am.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2010
6:19 AM

Post #7657242

I have one friend who understands my love for my flowers. I don't try to explain myself anymore. LoL I would always walk through the Botanical Conservatory. I simply wanted to see what was new and what was reasonably priced at the gift shop. My mother told me I had a problem and needed to get some help because I already had too many flowers. I didn't argue. I told her she was right and the next time I felt the urge to buy flowers I was going to buy crack, instead. She hasn't said a word about me buying any flowers since that day. It's my hobby and something I love to do. I don't really expect for anyone to understand just to leave me alone to do it. LoL

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 26, 2010
6:27 AM

Post #7657268

same here... i figure, i could have worse hobbies / addictions.
msrobin
Caneyville, KY
(Zone 6b)

March 26, 2010
6:29 AM

Post #7657270

Quoting:next time I felt the urge to buy flowers I was going to buy crack


Anita, rotflmbo!

Teresa, the only good thing about DH being out of town for several weeks, is that I have free reign to garden in the house, ie: starting seeds trays, WS containers, transplanting, growing in front of south windows in the heated house, etc.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 26, 2010
6:36 AM

Post #7657281

I can tell ya... i do miss my DH not working anymore [miss the paychecks too]... he used to be gone 3 days at a stretch once per week. I used to get A LOT of projects done... and i didnt have to clean house if i did not want to...
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2010
6:50 AM

Post #7657317

Yes I am not married but I can identify with what you ladies are saying. Others want to turn their noses up at filling trays at the kitchen sink...where else should I do it? If it was nice I would be outside. I keep Clorox clean-up close by always. LoL
msrobin
Caneyville, KY
(Zone 6b)

March 26, 2010
8:15 AM

Post #7657510

I kind of cheated this time around, so I didn't have to worry about kitchen cleanup so much. Couldn't cook if I wanted to anyway, with the counters covered with gardening stuff. I bought a couple of weeks worth of those Lean Cusine and similar meals. Just have to microwave and just have to wash a fork and the plastic dish after each meal. Yes, I am trying to lose weight. Figure I'll have 2-3 days notice when Hubby is headed home, so I can do a good spring cleaning while he's in route.
CLScott
Calgary
Canada

March 26, 2010
9:06 AM

Post #7657656

My first sprout in the WS jugs is Hollyhocks.
These are the true perennial kind: Antwerp hybrids.

These were Ws February 23. This is zone 3a.

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diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2010
9:20 AM

Post #7657696

Wow! What's the weather like up there?
CLScott
Calgary
Canada

March 26, 2010
9:24 AM

Post #7657704

Today we are getting a little rain which is very much needed as it is very dry here, except where the snow is melting. Most of the snow is gone.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2010
10:00 AM

Post #7657793

I'm hoping I have more green stuff in my jugs. I haven't been home for the past 24 hours. I had 1 solitary Malva and one container with sprouts and a couple that were pushing through. We had freezing temperatures last night. I'm not sure how that will affect my sprouts but I will find out tonight.
FruitOfTheVine
Blue Ridge Mtns, VA
(Zone 7a)

March 26, 2010
4:53 PM

Post #7658486

My hubby used to work out of town a week or two at a time. Now he's home 24/7...absolutely drives me nuts and I really miss the 'me' time I used to have working on projects [that I actually finished] and having that good ole feeling of satisfaction at the end of the day.

I forgot about the Digitalis sprouts already up and noticed a few Aquilegias today. CL, my first sprouts were Hollyhocks and several already need to be transplanted.

LOL Anita, keep collecting plants.


sissy70
Rushville, IN
(Zone 5b)

March 26, 2010
7:42 PM

Post #7658952

I hope mine survive we got about a inch of snow i covered mine with a old sheet but they had some snow on them and its been cold today
GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
(Zone 6a)

March 26, 2010
8:29 PM

Post #7659091

I have hollyhocks, also. They are the first to sprout. Also a couple of salvia. One jug, delphinium, had mold so I removed the lid, sprayed it with neems, sprinkled it with cinnamon and moved it to filtered sun. No delphinium sprouted, yet.

I will have to take a better survey the next warm day, maybe tomorrow.
lisabees
Centennial, CO
(Zone 5a)

March 26, 2010
8:54 PM

Post #7659131

cinnamon?

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2010
5:06 AM

Post #7659547

cinnamon is supposed to prevent mold... I use it now and then too... smells nice when you water.. but not sure if it really does anything

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 27, 2010
6:09 AM

Post #7659630

for mold, i've been used Peroxide and water. in my other spray bottle i have [what i call my "tonic"] where i have Compost Tea, Liquid Seaweed, THRIVE, and Tea Tree Oil ... the Oil is supposed to kill any fungus and keep away those darned gnats.

But, since our last snow fall that melted -- I have not had an issue of 'over wet' containers.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 27, 2010
6:13 AM

Post #7659636

peroxide does help ... good to know about the tea tree oil.. I use compost tea for all my inside seedlings

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 27, 2010
6:22 AM

Post #7659655

here is the thread i was getting ideas for my "tonic" from
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/956114/
stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 27, 2010
7:57 AM

Post #7659776

How do you like the Thrive? I've not hear any "user" testimonials and was wondering.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 27, 2010
8:56 AM

Post #7659903

It's great for transplant shock.

I bought it last year after researching it a bit...

I grew some Yvonne Salvias in the house and wanted to make sure they survived... when i transplanted them they wilted quite a bit... one good drink of THRIVE and they perked right up again... within the hour i think.

So now anytime i transplant.. i use Thrive... also, when i ship any 'rooted' plants for trade... I soak the roots before shipping then wrap them in paper towels soaked with the thrive water. i figure, can't hurt and maybe helps.

sissy70
Rushville, IN
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2010
10:12 AM

Post #7660055

mine survived and some of them need transplanted Im real happy with my winter sowing
also have 7 rose of sharon i started in the house they are about 5 inches tall
clpgirl
Chippewa Lake, OH
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2010
10:22 AM

Post #7660073

My seedling in their jugs still look green and perky after two nights of mid-twenties & one of snow. Hooray for WS!

Moonflowers coming up that were only put out ten days ago! Also have Malva, Hollyhocks, Salvia, Cotton :)
three kinds of marigolds, one little cypress vine seedling...plus the chunk of farewell-to-spring, which I got from WS site and haven't a clue what they will look like. (Going to PF now!) They hve been sayng hello-to-spring here for two weeks now!

We have various containers outside and keeping track of progress in each. Will never try standard tray and dome again as the seedlings are already at the height limit after 4 days. Think I may have to do some early transplanting or devise a creative cover.
runnerboy713
Westborough, MA
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2010
5:42 PM

Post #7660857


I'm in the same boat as you, clpgirl--my indoor trays are going to need transplanting before it's really warm enough to safely transplant. Trying winter-sowing for the first time this year I did ws containers and a few indoor trays in case one of the two turned into an epic failure. In my outside containers I have the following coming up:

alyssum
african daisy
2 kinds of sweet pea
cosmos 'psyche white'
flowering tobacco
salvia
bachelor's buttons
sunflower 'honey bear'
snapdragon 'frosted sunset'
FruitOfTheVine
Blue Ridge Mtns, VA
(Zone 7a)

March 27, 2010
8:29 PM

Post #7661138

That's neat, runnerboy. I have some of those same seeds to start but thought it was too early... namely Allysum, Cosmos, and Bachelor's Buttons. Guess that means I can start jugs tomorrow unless I'm rained out, otherwise it'll be one day next week. Sunflowers are among my favorite annuals. I've never grown 'Honey Bear". Is it also a dwarf similar to "Teddy Bear"?


runnerboy713
Westborough, MA
(Zone 5b)

March 28, 2010
4:10 AM

Post #7661399

For all I know I might have put some things in a bit early--it's my first year doing wintersow. I think last night was the last of the very cold nights though, so we should be safe. 'Honey Bear' is similar to 'Teddy Bear' in that it has the fluffy face. It is not a dwarf though--supposedly it gets to be 5-6' tall.
stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 28, 2010
7:02 AM

Post #7661692

There really is no "too early" in Winter Sowing. You just let the seeds sprout at their natural time. You're not forcing them to sprout ahead of the time they'd sprout out in the wild or if they were direct sown in the fall. When you plant inside using grow lights or domes, you're "forcing" the seeds to sprout early. WSing allows the seeds to sprout at the time Mother Nature would sprout them.

I noticed yesterday that I had one Bull Nose bell pepper and cilantro sprouting in my jugs! Whoop! I need to plant my sweet peas out today.

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

March 28, 2010
9:02 AM

Post #7661923

I just updated my WS thread here but you can also follow my updates on my blog if anyone wants to check it out.

http://1meadowyck.blogspot.com

Here is my jug eyeing for today...



Janet

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FruitOfTheVine
Blue Ridge Mtns, VA
(Zone 7a)

March 28, 2010
10:49 AM

Post #7662136

What an undertaking, Janet, and not just the jugs. Wow!
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2010
11:12 AM

Post #7662178

Stephanie,

I want to make sure I understand you. Runnerboy listed plants/flowers that are annuals for my zone. When you said "There really is no "too early" in Winter Sowing. You just let the seeds sprout at their natural time". Does that apply to annuals being WSed in zone 5? I have some annuals I would like to start but it is my understanding that I still have to wait until danger of frost has passed????

meadowyck

meadowyck
Brooksville, FL
(Zone 9a)

March 28, 2010
11:39 AM

Post #7662230

I was under the impression that you would need to wait on annuals that truly are annuals. By that I mean there are some plans that are annuals and they don't come back but their seeds produce new plants, so to me they are a hardy annual so I would think it would be worth a try for starting those annuals in ws. Now annuals like vegetables and annual flowers that don't come back from new seeds that were dropped the previous season, then I wouldn't want to chance them. I would wait till after last frost date.

This is just my thinking and hopefully someone that knows will answer.

Janet

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2010
12:42 PM

Post #7662406

My Jubilee Gem Bachelor Buttons have germinated.
stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 28, 2010
12:50 PM

Post #7662424

You can go ahead and sow them The only problem you might have is if you get a late freeze. If they germinate, you might need to protect them if it freezes. Remember. most seeds germinate when the soil temp reaches a certain temp. So if you have a warming trend followed by a cold snap, that's when you'll likely to have problems .
runnerboy713
Westborough, MA
(Zone 5b)

March 28, 2010
1:20 PM

Post #7662493

Diamond--what are you planning on planting? As for protecting them against frost, I put one of those plastic tarps over my containers last night and weighted them down with a few bricks. The temp dropped to 24 and when I checked on them this morning while it was still in the 20s, the condensation in the containers wasn't frozen and the seedlings looked fine.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2010
2:40 PM

Post #7662664

I don't plant my annuals outside simply because my growing season is already so short that if I don't have fairly nice size plants to put out after danger of frost then it would take too long to have a nice display. Therefore I start my annuals inside from now on. I am up-potting my tomatoes now. Some of ,my petunias are on their second set of leaves, 'course others haven't germinated yet. Geraniums are on their 2nd set, etc. Verbenas are up.

Now there is a strange one. I have never grown verbenas before. From seed that is. So, in reading from Summer Hill's packet it says to put a black plastic over them. I did that. In one week I checked them and there were some up and they looked like one inch white hairs. In a panic I emailed SH. Within 2 hours Robin emailed me back with instructions. This was after 9 o'clock p.m. our time so had to be midnight her time. She is super good about that. She emailed me on a Sunday evening one time.

I am doubting that the perennials that I have WS will bloom this year. I just might start some of those in the house this week to hopefully get some color from them this year. And, I can always use more. : )

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2010
3:29 PM

Post #7662771

yea... Robin was always great with communication... i think that goes a long way with customer service.

>>I am doubting that the perennials that I have WS will bloom this year.

Which ones are you concerned about? there are some first year blooming perennials.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2010
3:39 PM

Post #7662788

Rudbeckias etc. I am sure they would bloom if we had a longer season. Do your winter sowed perennials bloom? I see you are the same zone I am.
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2010
3:47 PM

Post #7662807

I checked today and all species of Dianthus are up, German Chamomile (like a chia pet), Soapwort, Pyrethrum, Monkey Flower, Amethyst Shooting Star, Snow in Summer, a few Bacopa, and Poached Egg. Also the Carpet of Snow Alyssum sprouted practically as soon as they touched the dirt, and most of the sprouts made it through the cold nights and a couple of inches of snow, there are some leaves now. I still have a lot to do though; I had planned on having everything out by today. Best laid plans...

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2010
3:56 PM

Post #7662831

OH heavens yes on the Ruds. they bloom their lil heads off until hard frost for me. well into Nov last year.
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2010
3:58 PM

Post #7662835

I have some little Totos that even look like they will come back this year. Plus I know they resowed.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2010
4:26 PM

Post #7662867

We have alot of freezing temperature left here. tonight I think it's supposed to drop down again. I'm confused now on the annual planting. I don't have the kind of schedule that allows me to run home to cover and uncover. I guess I will have to wait until there's no danger of frost.

Question: If there's no danger of frost, would it be better to just direct sow? After the last frost, what's the benefit of sowing in jugs? Would there be any danger of seedlings overheating?
birder17
Jackson, MO
(Zone 6b)

March 28, 2010
4:43 PM

Post #7662900

Anita, I love your reply to your mother. Quick thinking. I sometimes feel I have to apologize for my love of flowers. I think Moms can be the most hurtful because you are always their child.
My sweet peas have not sprouted much. I am starting to get concerned. It's been about two weeks. About half of my seeds have sprouted. My daughter W.S. heirloom tomatoes and we are not having good luck with them. Two kinds out of about 10 have sprouted. It's been about three weeks also.
I have larkspur, oriental poppies, alyssum, snapdragons, and candytuft that has sprouted very well. I am anxiously waiting for two leaves so I can plant them outside. I think all of these flowers like cool weather and are hardy annuals and perennials. I also have Crazy Daisy Shasta Daisies sprouted and others I can't think of. I have heliotrope sprouted and under grow lights. I start it in doors as it has not done well for me to W.S. it.
birder17
Jackson, MO
(Zone 6b)

March 28, 2010
4:49 PM

Post #7662920

diamond: I find W.S. is like having the seeds/plants in a mini greenhouse. Everything just goes a lot faster. I think I would W.S. even after the frost date just because things go really fast.
I say plant all of the seeds you want and trust mother nature to take care of your seeds. She will when the time is right. I live in zone 6 and don't cover anything up. They're in a mini greenhouse and they are protected. By the time they get big enough to set outside, the weather will be warmer. That's my two cents.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2010
4:51 PM

Post #7662926

Thanks Birder! I agree with you. My mother probably didn't mean any harm. I try to be a frugal gardener but I love growing flowers especially from seeds. I figure, what's the harm??? I'm not speading much money, I am at home, not bothering anyone and I'm not doing anything illegal. LoLI guess this is my way of trying to beautify my little corner of the world. LoL

That helps alot. I am going to throw them in jugs after the danger of frost. I usually don't plant alot of annuals. Since I have WSed so many seeds that may not bloom this yer, I thought I would mix in a few annuals for color. I would like to try dahlias tubers this year, petunias and gazanias.

This message was edited Mar 28, 2010 7:55 PM

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 28, 2010
5:10 PM

Post #7662972

Even through freezing and being covered in snow, my WS seedlings made it through like champs! Nothing died, though the Livingstone Daisy seedlings are looking a little puny. I'm thrilled.

I'm trying a few pepper and tomato varieties that I'm also starting inside as a comparison.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2010
5:22 PM

Post #7662991

Anita... I will still be "jug" sowing.. there will be a few things where i will toss seeds, just because i have so darned many.

but like Birder said... it's the greenhouse thing... they stay warmer... if it rains hard, they wont wash away... that happened to me one yr. Poured so hard, and for days... that many seeds just washed away. I'm sure birds ate a lot of them too.

birder17
Jackson, MO
(Zone 6b)

March 28, 2010
5:35 PM

Post #7663019

Diamond, One more thing, after telling you to W.S. after the frost date. Because they grow faster in the mini greenhouse, it will also warm up in the mini greenhouse faster. So, on warm days, take the tops off. You will need to water them a little more often because it's warmer in there. Also, make plenty of holes in your containers. You will water more often, but you want the water to drain out also. I hope this doesn't scare you off. As Ms. Reagan said, "Just do it!" :)
I am going to continue to sow seeds in containers until I get everything sown I want. I have about two more weeks until our last frost date. I have a bad cold or pneumonia right now, so I am not doing much sowing. I think I need to go to the Dr. I have had this for two weeks now. I am just going to do the W.S. when I feel good enough to do it. What will be will be. One can only try, and you don't have much to lose.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2010
6:25 PM

Post #7663113

No it doesn't scare me off. I work a 24 hour schedule (plus a part-time job). Usually, once I leave to go to work, I'm not back home until the next morning. So if it freezes, unfortunately, I don't have anyone to cover or uncover. I would hate to torture the seedlings by exposing them to elements they can't survive in.

I don't mind the watering as long as I'm fostering a healthy environment they can survive in.
FruitOfTheVine
Blue Ridge Mtns, VA
(Zone 7a)

March 28, 2010
6:29 PM

Post #7663118

Hope you get to feeling better soon, birder17 and are able to finish your jugs.

grrrlgeek, My hat's off to you for growing a Chia Pet of German Chamomile...those seeds are almost as small as specks of dust. I've never heard of Poached Egg, only Nest Egg gourds. Am I behind the times again?

Just for grins, I'm going to experiment and use a few seeds of these to W/S: Tomatoes, Peppers, Marigolds, Sunflowers, Herbs, Gourds, Money Plant, Allysum, Cosmos, Bachelor's Buttons and whatever else in my seed bin that strikes my fancy. Anita, I forgot to mention the Snow in Summer seeds you sent have been up a couple of weeks. None of the plants are large enough to transplant yet but boy are they thick.

That leads me to another question. How does everyone go about separating plants when they're thick as thieves and are ready to transplant? Do you cut the jug apart and transplant plugs of plants and thin them out later?
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2010
6:29 PM

Post #7663120

Diamond, I'm probably going to sow my tender annuals over the next few weeks. For you it might just be easier to wait another week or two. You will only need to give them protection from freeze after they sprout, so you don't have to do it all the time. I watch the extended forecast for my city, and when the 10 or 15 day forecast shows nights staying above freezing, I figure it's fairly safe. If you watch your forecast, it will give you a good indication of when to start.

After they sprout, just pay attention to the weather. If you have tender sprouts and a freeze is protected, just throw a blanket over them for the night. If you time it right, you won't have to bother often.

Karen
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2010
6:35 PM

Post #7663123

I dump them on their heads in a flat, flip right side up, cut into squares with a knife, plant hunks. I don't thin. Works well.

Karen

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onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 28, 2010
6:38 PM

Post #7663127

FOTV - if the whole mass comes out in one piece great.. if not I cut the container apart and pull it out and just try to separate as best as I can... each one usually goes different... but if they are tough to get apart .. I will just plant a chunk and let them fight it out... figure the strongest will survive

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 28, 2010
6:46 PM

Post #7663139

One of my friends works at a greenhouse, and almost had a seizure when she saw me plant seedlings like that, with no thinning. LOL I know commercially it doesn't make sense for reasons of economics, but this is just me and a packet of seeds.
birder17
Jackson, MO
(Zone 6b)

March 28, 2010
8:08 PM

Post #7663296

Diamond: here are my thoughts on W.S. "before" and "after" last frost date.
If you W.S. before the last frost date, you don't have to worry about taking lids off etc. YOu just plant and basically forget and let Mom Nature do her thing.
If you W.S. after the last frost date, you have to take lids off if it gets really warm out as the container will be even hotter than the air outside. I think you have to watch them a little closer, but the good part is they will sprout and grow faster due to warmer germinating conditions.
Maybe this was already clear and I am being repetitive. The bottom line is both ways work pretty well.

Fruit of the Vine: Thanks.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2010
4:06 AM

Post #7663590

Anita, the only things I WS late are frost sensitive annuals (Zinnias, Sunflowers, Dahlias), but hardy annuals are fine wintersown any time (like Alyssum, Nigella, Poppies, 4 O'clocks, Verbena bonariensis, etc.). And that's just because I can be lazy about covering things, LOL.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 29, 2010
4:07 AM

Post #7663592

FWIW, I had zinnias, petunias, and cosmos that sat with snow cover for three days, didn't faze them. The jugs are sitting against the wall of my house, but it's a north wall, not a sunny south.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2010
5:30 AM

Post #7663703

Cool! Good to know Zinnias are that tough! I knew the other 2 were pretty tough, but have always given Zinnias protection.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 29, 2010
6:09 AM

Post #7663779

Birder... I think repetitive is good.

Celene... when your Cosmos were covered in snow, it was just the containers, right - not the actual seedlings?

a few yrs back when we got our COLD snap in April... I had cosmos that did keel over due to the cold. If your containers were wrapped in a blanket of snow, that would protect them from the cold weather. That yr we dipped into the low 20's and some of my annual didn't make it.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2010
6:23 AM

Post #7663814

Thanks all! I want to make sure I have all of my bases covered. LoL this WS is so addictive. A freind of mine was interrogating me last night about what I planned to do with all the plants in the jugs. LoL I had to explain that I planned to make more gardens to put them in. When guests see the jugs they really question my sanity. I guess part of my determination is to rpove I'm not insane just a gardener lover.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2010
6:56 AM

Post #7663911

I got a touch of jugeye this morning and I have good news!!!! Out of 36 containers, I have 7 that have sprouts, black hollyhocks, malva, chocolate orange ruds, burgundy gallairdia, blue delph and my favorite cherry brandy rud. And I think there's one that lost the name. Did any of your containers form a ball of soil in the middle of the container? Most of these containers were started in either December or January.
birder17
Jackson, MO
(Zone 6b)

March 29, 2010
7:48 AM

Post #7664046

Hooray! Diamond. More sprouts will come. You know, "If you W.S. it, it will sprout!"
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2010
8:31 AM

Post #7664137

LoL thank you Birder! I can hardly wait!
garyon
Syracuse, NY

March 29, 2010
12:48 PM

Post #7664696

Radicle, man! (root, that is) It looks like my columbines are starting to germinate. I can see that the seeds have expanded and some of them are sending out their first root.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 29, 2010
12:52 PM

Post #7664709

Yes, the snow was on the jugs and not directly on the seedlings. Not a very scenic picture, but what can I say :)
runnerboy713
Westborough, MA
(Zone 5b)

March 29, 2010
12:56 PM

Post #7664719

speaking of what's sprouting, how early do you all start transplanting into the garden. The accuweather 15 day forecast is looking very nice and making me think dangerous thoughts (i.e. itching to plant things out sooner than I probably should =X).
garyon
Syracuse, NY

March 29, 2010
1:06 PM

Post #7664742

I am dividing perennials now - many are just breaking out of dormancy. I have planted pansy outside around the first of April for several years now. I plant these in containers where the woodchucks won't find them, and mulch with pieces of broken flower pots, crockery and stones to keep the squirrels at bay.

As a test I planted a few salvia "Artemis" seedlings yesterday to see what happens. The seed packet identified them as winter hardy, so I speculated that this might work. I have more to put out later if these fail.

grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 29, 2010
3:13 PM

Post #7665011

FOTV, the Poached Egg I mentioned is Limnanthes douglasii http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1904/ , aka Meadowfoam. They're supposed to attract hoverflies so i'm going to plant them all over the place, plus probably bring one in as a house plant.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 29, 2010
3:59 PM

Post #7665128

What are hoverflies?
FruitOfTheVine
Blue Ridge Mtns, VA
(Zone 7a)

March 29, 2010
4:00 PM

Post #7665130

grrrlgeek, Thanks for the add'l info. What a sweet looking plant.

Just noticed a few sprouts of perennial Verbena and 'Husker's Red' Penstemon this afternoon.

runnerboy713
Westborough, MA
(Zone 5b)

March 29, 2010
4:12 PM

Post #7665161

Hoverflies like aphids.

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/galveston/beneficials/beneficial-28_hover_or_syrphid_flies.htm

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 29, 2010
5:05 PM

Post #7665347

runnerboy713 wrote:speaking of what's sprouting, how early do you all start transplanting into the garden. The accuweather 15 day forecast is looking very nice and making me think dangerous thoughts (i.e. itching to plant things out sooner than I probably should =X).


Still may be a bit too early even for the hardy plants.

I thin the earliest i've planted out was mid-april for my poppies. Others i recall first week of May. luckily, that year we did not get a late frost.

runnerboy713
Westborough, MA
(Zone 5b)

March 29, 2010
5:31 PM

Post #7665433

I know. I'll try to resist the urge as long as possible. Still have several beds to prepare so I can keep myself busy for the next few weeks.
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

March 29, 2010
5:38 PM

Post #7665451

Things that have sprouted in my jugs here in zone 6b:
Achillea “Flowerburst Red”
Delphinium “Centurion Gentian Blue”
Delphinium “Centurion Sky Blue”
Delphinium “Connecticut Yankee”
Delphinium “Double Blue Lace”
Delphinium “Centurion Royal Purple”
Delphinium "Magic Fountain cherry blossom/white bee"
Delphinium "Magic Fountain Dark Blue/White Bee"
Delphinium "Magic Fountain Lilac Pink/White Bee"
Digitalis purpurea "Camelot White"
Digitalis purpurea "Snow Thimble"
Penstemon heterophyllus “True Blue”
Pulmonaria angustifolia
Thymus serpyllum “Mother of Thyme”
Verbena bonariensis
Veronica "Sightseeing Mixture"

Still waiting for these to sprout:
Aquilegia alpina
Astilbe "Amethyst"
Columbine "Origami White"
Columbine "Tower White"
Hibiscus "Disco Belle White"
Lobelia "Fan Blue"
Lobelia cardinalis
Lobelia "Compliment Mix"
Prunella “Freelander Blue”
birder17
Jackson, MO
(Zone 6b)

March 29, 2010
6:06 PM

Post #7665517

PGT: someone likes Delphinium!! I like them too but can't grow them here---too much heat and humidity. I grow foxglove instead. It's the closest plant that looks like Delphiniums. Good for you to have so many flowers sprouted so far. I'm still contemplating ordering a few more seeds. I think the Columbine 'Dwarf White' looks so cute! http://www.swallowtailgardenseeds.com/perennials/columbine.html You have to scroll down. I noticed Dollar Store has some nice looking Columbine seeds for a dollar. I need to get back in the store and buy some of the seed.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2010
6:35 PM

Post #7665602

In past years I have planted out hardy annuals and hardy perennials very early, probably around now. They did fine.

Karen

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 29, 2010
7:26 PM

Post #7665704

Karen... do you think you can plant out for zone5 now?
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2010
7:46 PM

Post #7665748

I think you could, as long as you are certain that the plant is hardy. e.g. my larkspur volunteers stayed happy in below zero temps all winter. It's a hardy annual.

I think anything that's big enough to handle and is a hardy annual (like poppy) or hardy perennial (like echinacea) would most likely be fine. Of course, there are never any guarantees. In wintersowing, Mother Nature always has the upper hand.

Karen

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

March 30, 2010
9:51 AM

Post #7667077

birder,
Yes, I LOVE delphinium. I planted some from seed last year, and got some small blooms, and was hoping for beautiful blooms this year, but I don't think that any of them came back. If my new ones don't survive this year, I think I'll have to throw in the towel and stick with larkspur :(
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 30, 2010
9:56 AM

Post #7667089

how do you figure out what's a hardy annual? I understand that certain plants reseed themselves and the plant itself doesn't survive the winter but usually the hardiness zone only tell you which zone it can survive in.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 30, 2010
11:42 AM

Post #7667341

Boy, I can't imagine why delphiniums wouldn't grow big time in zone 6!! My sister's are beautiful in zone 5. They are old plants and keep seeding new ones that come up all around. She gives them to the women for their plant sales. So, I don't think it is too cold for you.

I don't grow them because the wind breaks them off so bad. Maybe they need calcium or something. Don't know. But they do grow for me.
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

March 30, 2010
11:54 AM

Post #7667368

Jnette,
I would have thought they'd be just fine, too. But, I've been looking for their leaves coming up, and I don't see them. Most of my other perennials are already up (like columbine, dicentra, geranium, lupine, daisies, campanula, foxglove, phlox paniculata, sedum, etc), but I don't see any delphiniums! It's making me a little crazy, actually.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 30, 2010
4:50 PM

Post #7668016

Did your ground freeze hard and deep like mine did? Well, guess what? My helebores that always come up thru the snow are just now coming out of the ground. I saw them yesterday!! It was just too cold here and we did not get any snow. Now if you got snow, but it froze hard first, the snow isn't going to insulate them like it would if we get snow first and then it freezes. I just think this is the weirdest year and am not expecting anything normal.

I just ran out in a hail storm and put all of my jugs under the table. It was coming down so hard that if anything was up it would have bombed it. Oh, BTW, I finally got some ageratums up.
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 30, 2010
6:35 PM

Post #7668214

This was a weird winter. My SO thought I was crazy when I complained there was no snow to cover the plants. Some of them I think got too dried out, and my Winter Aconite never came up. The crocuses look nice though.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 30, 2010
6:43 PM

Post #7668232

You were right gg. Did your ground freeze? My ground froze so hard and deep that my heleboreus are just now coming out of the ground. They normally bloom thru the snow. We didn't get any snow this year. Actually, I was worried that I had lost them, so really happy to see them coming up. BLOOMS!!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 30, 2010
8:01 PM

Post #7668387

our ground normally freezes up here in N. IL... grrrrl is a bit North and East of me... our ground here has been thawed for at least a month now.

I get a few more jugs, 1-3 a day of new germination. I've begun my annuals, may be a tad soon... but it's been warm, with 70's tomorrow... long range forecast has 60's for next week... i can handle that.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2010
4:00 AM

Post #7668797

Over the weekend we had a cool spell, but it warmed back up yesterday and several more jugs germinated. Gentian, Prunella, Geum, Milk Thistle, Clasping Coneflower, Dalea purpureum, Shooting Star, and another Penstemon showed up yesterday. Some more annuals are sprouting too, Ageratum, Plains Coreopsis, and Petunias. I'm excited about the Ageratum, never grown those from seed before!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
4:35 AM

Post #7668822

re Ageratum ... I thought that was a perennial.

OH... i guess i have HARDY Ageratum. it IS very pretty. I love mine.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2010
5:08 AM

Post #7668860

I love the perennial form too. I've got some of that, and it blooms late in the season. This is the annual form that just sprouted, Leilani Blue from the Piggy Swap. I think it came from Bluespiral, and she said it reseeds for her. I hope to have that color through the summer!
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
9:36 AM

Post #7669419

Funny, my ageratum just sprouted too. I probably got some of the same seed that you did. Are you saying it is a perennial? That would be wonderful.
gemini_sage
Winchester, KY
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2010
9:59 AM

Post #7669489

Jnette, I'm pretty sure 'Leilani Blue' is annual, but I do have the perennial form. I can save seeds from it this fall for you, or send you a division this summer if you'd like.
birder17
Jackson, MO
(Zone 6b)

March 31, 2010
10:11 AM

Post #7669520

Anita: Since no one answered your question regarding what makes a hardy annual, I will try.
Hardy annuals are annuals that can take a lot of cold weather. A lot of times the seed catalogues will tell you if it's a hardy annual.
Here's a list of hardy annuals: http://www.thompson-morgan.com/info/index.html
and another: http://www.thompson-morgan.com/info/index.html Please note the second list is for winter sowing.
I hope this helps and maybe someone else can add more to this answer.
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
10:55 AM

Post #7669616

If I had it last year, I go by how it did when it started to get cold.
CapeCodGardener
Mid-Cape, MA
(Zone 7a)

March 31, 2010
12:51 PM

Post #7669869

Birder, I always order several seed packets of annuals from T & M each year, many of which I then WS, , but I never knew that I could type in "hardy annual" or "winter sowing" onto the Thompson & Morgan website and get a list of specific seeds! How great is THAT! Thank you for posting this information!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
1:45 PM

Post #7669999

OH.. i forgot to mention... my Darwins Blue has germinated!!
Veronica spicata 'Darwin's Blue

I hope it's a first year bloomer.
CrabgrassCentrl
New Milford, CT

March 31, 2010
2:25 PM

Post #7670086

Woot! Papaver sonmiferum "Lauren's Grape" sprouted in the middle of five-day stretch of dark, cold, RAINY weather. Go figure.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
2:48 PM

Post #7670131

Gemini, how nice of you!! Either way would be great. I love annuals but use them mainly for my containers on the deck since I like to make these different each year. And change the color schemes too I might add. Since I am retired and live in "snow" country, I get cabin fever along in February. So the seed catalogs and my seed shelving save my mentality. LOL.

However, I have a rather hilly perennial bed that is difficult for me to work in so when I find a nice perennial,and one that is colorful too, that can't be beat. I can plant it and count on it every year. Great!!

Which ever would be easiest for you works for me. Thank you!

Jeanette
GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2010
5:41 PM

Post #7670503

I haven't been feeling well, so my seeds have been on their own. One thing I like about wintersowing, the seeds are out of the way and on their own. I hope that my Lauren Grape sprouts also. It should be nice weather the next few days, hopefully I will feel up to taking pix.

Last I checked, i had some sprouts in the earliest containers. Hollyhocks did especially well.
birder17
Jackson, MO
(Zone 6b)

March 31, 2010
6:08 PM

Post #7670562

CapeCod: Your most welcome. That's what's great about this website you learn stuff all the time. And, a lot of the stuff you learn you can't find in a book.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 31, 2010
6:54 PM

Post #7670666

that's a fact ... JACK!!
FruitOfTheVine
Blue Ridge Mtns, VA
(Zone 7a)

March 31, 2010
6:55 PM

Post #7670671

There's nothing like sharing 1st hand knowledge and soaking up advice for plants I've never tried. Thanks for the hardy annuals links, birder17. Anita wasn't in the boat by herself.

Jugs sowed today --
Alyssum
Bachelor Buttons
Cockscombs
Cosmos
Evening Primrose
Herbs
Money Plant
Sunflowers

Is it too late to W/S poppy seeds or would it be better now to just scatter seeds directly in the beds?


Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
7:29 PM

Post #7670785

I was going to say that I would like to know that too about the poppy seeds. But noticed that you are zone 7 and I am 5 so maybe I should WS instead.
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
7:29 PM

Post #7670787

It was so warm today I still have the deck and balcony doors open. It's still 75F in here. Better get my jug eye out there tomorrow and see what's awake.

Holy Carp! I just looked at the forecast in my status bar and it's supposed to be EIGHTY-TWO tomorrow. It hardly ever got that hot last year, much less the first of April.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
7:54 PM

Post #7670846

I would really be worried if we got that warm here this time of year. LOL, everything would bloom and sprout and then freeze.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 31, 2010
7:56 PM

Post #7670849

we are supposed to be in the 70's for a few days... everything is going to freak out
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
8:05 PM

Post #7670871

Yes, then everything will start sprouting and blooming and it will freeze and kill the crops for the year. That is what it does here.
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
8:13 PM

Post #7670885

Ack. I was going to WS some stuff tomorrow, but I think I'll wait til it goes back down to the 50's. I better see if any jugs need water.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
8:15 PM

Post #7670891

grrrrl,

we are only supposed to be 77
-- but they are always off a few degrees.

it's still gorgeous here... cant wait til tomorrow.
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

March 31, 2010
8:19 PM

Post #7670902

Actually, I checked a couple of other sites and Accuweather is the only one saying it will be that hot. Maybe I won't feel compelled to turn on the a/c.
GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2010
8:28 PM

Post #7670930

No one answered the question about the poppies, so I will pass on what I read. Please keep in mind that I am new to gardening and haven't had much success with poppies. I read that poppies need cold to germinate. That is why they wintersow well. Some seed packages suggest storing the seeds in the freezer before sowing. Lots of people wrote that they broadcast the seeds in the snow or plant around Christmas time.

Poppies were the first seeds I wintersowed. They still haven't germinated as of last week, but I will keep checking.

You could always try a few seeds and save the rest.
GardenQuilts
Pocono Mountains, PA
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2010
8:31 PM

Post #7670936

It will be sunny and in the 70's here also. Bring it on!

I can't wait to open all of the windows again. We have had record amounts of rain this spring, I am tired of damp, cold drizzle.

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

March 31, 2010
8:32 PM

Post #7670941

what's nice about the wood stove insert we have... we can crank it up and open the windows on 50 days... nice to get some air in here.. won't be needing that tomorrow though!!!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
5:50 AM

Post #7671455

for my poppies... they were sown on Feb 5, germinated on March 18. Out of 6 containers, 5 have germinated... leaving only "Semi-Doubles Mix" ... but I also see in my notes, they were old seeds. i commented that they were gray. so perhaps duds already.

Grrrrl -- Last night i did check the 'temps' for today... they were showing 77 it thnk, but now my "AcuWeather" in the task bar is showing 80 for today. But you are right.. you can check 5 different sites and get 5 different answers.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2010
6:03 AM

Post #7671473

Teresa, your seeds germinated very fast! I just WS some poppies a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if I have sprouts already. From the time your seeds sprout, how long is it until you remove or vent the lids? These warm day should cause more sprouts to pop up. I'm looking forward to jug surfing once I make it home.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
8:30 AM

Post #7671845

Yes, opening them up and how about a weak fertilizer solution? Or is it too early for that?
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
1:42 PM

Post #7672473

After hail 2 days ago and snowing today, it doesn't bother me that mine are not sprouting that fast. It would be nice to see some activity, but it is cold out.

I went out to plant my strawberries but it was so cold I decided neither the strawberries or I would like it out there and decided to wait.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2010
1:57 PM

Post #7672505

I don't blame you at all! it just doesn't seem at all naturla to plant in cold weahter!!!

We are having some nice weather for the next few days. I want to see how many more sprouts I will have after some sunshine and warmer weather. I think it's strange that one of my jugs only has one sprout! LoL One lonely Malva!
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
1:59 PM

Post #7672510

Yes, we had nice weather for a short time too I have 2 jugs sprouted. Then we got hail and snow and cold.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2010
2:07 PM

Post #7672519

What were your jugs that sprouted? We are in the same zone.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
2:17 PM

Post #7672533

The first one was a couple of weeks ago, Large Quaking Grass, ornamental grass. And I just saw Ageratum up a couple of days ago.




Edited to add: Maybe Large Quaking Oats.

This message was edited Apr 1, 2010 2:19 PM
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
2:57 PM

Post #7672606

diamond, I have a few that did that. One sprout pops up way before any others. Must be an overachiever or something.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
3:10 PM

Post #7672631

My grass did that. Maybe sending out a scout. LOL
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
3:22 PM

Post #7672647

J'nette, for some reason when I read that I thought of meerkats. With the one lookout standing up high above the others.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2010
3:23 PM

Post #7672650

I'm wondering if my seeds were duds???
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
3:25 PM

Post #7672655

LOL, I had to ask DH what a meerkat was, and he explained it just like you said. I had never heard of them.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
3:30 PM

Post #7672667

Anita, did you get them all from the same place? If not, I would say they are waiting for the weather.

I was beginning to think the same thing. Guess we need patience. That is why we have a short growing season. That is why I grow so many things inside. However, I have a lot of seeds inside that are not germinating.

Am thinking I need to look around for different seed vendors. I am going to take a look at which are germinating and where I got them from, and which aren't.

I am not sure what the problem is where I plant 6 seeds in a pony pack and 3 come up and 3 don't. All treated the same. Same vendor, same soil, lights, water, etc. Can you tell me that?
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2010
3:39 PM

Post #7672689

LoL interesting! I know seeds don't have a 100 percent germination rate but I usually plant the entire package of seeds. In that container I only have 1 sprout. LoL I'm going to take good care of that one plant (if that's all it is). I thought it was strange is all. I'll be heading home shortly to perform a jug check. I will come back later to let you all know if I see any new activity!

onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

April 1, 2010
3:53 PM

Post #7672716

don't know if it was a good or bad thing.. but it was so warm out.. I took the lids off my containers... guess I will put them back on now
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 1, 2010
3:57 PM

Post #7672744

I guess you think I am stingy planting only 6 seeds in a 6 pack. Well, those seeds are expensive. If I am only getting half germination then they should only charge half the price. If I get 7 plants from a $4 package of seeds when there were only 15 seeds to begin with, I will change vendors until I find one that sells viable seeds.

My one sprout was a lone ranger for quite a while so don't throw the rest out.
stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 1, 2010
5:20 PM

Post #7672902

We've had temps in the 80s the past couple of days, but that's getting ready to change. Storm moving in and bringing cooler temps for the next few days. The warm temps have helped my bell peppers sprout. Woohoo!! In the flower dept, the Brazos Penstemon (a native perennial) has sprouted. So excited with this one!!

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onewish1

onewish1
Denville, NJ
(Zone 6b)

April 1, 2010
6:24 PM

Post #7673122

nice!!!
CLScott
Calgary
Canada

April 1, 2010
9:01 PM

Post #7673421

Seeded a tray of perennial Candytuft (Iberis semperflorims) on the 19th March and they are sprouting today April 1. These are outdoors with a clear cover over the tray.
Hollyhocks and Lavatera are the other WS sprouts here.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2010
6:16 AM

Post #7673878

diamond9192002 wrote:Teresa, ... From the time your seeds sprout, how long is it until you remove or vent the lids? These warm day should cause more sprouts to pop up. I'm looking forward to jug surfing once I make it home.


Anita -- I dont actually recall. i do know that we had that snow on the 20th of March and after that all melted the containers were quite wet... so i took the lids off [they are BIG yogurt containers] jsut so they could dry a bit... the lids have been back on for good 10 days or so. I should take them off today ... and if we get some good rains, maybe i'll plant them out -- if they are big enough, in a few days.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2010
6:17 AM

Post #7673882

Jnette wrote:Yes, opening them up and how about a weak fertilizer solution? Or is it too early for that?


The solution i've been "spritzing' them with is... Compost tea, Thrive, and liquid seaweed.

CrabgrassCentrl
New Milford, CT

April 2, 2010
7:39 AM

Post #7674073

April 1 and no foolin' -- yesterday my Plains Coreopsis and candy-striped hardy hibiscus popped for me. Got the hibiscus from a kind DG trader and I can't wait to see what it looks like!
clpgirl
Chippewa Lake, OH
(Zone 5b)

April 2, 2010
2:11 PM

Post #7674872

Have lots sprouting, will list later...but right now I wanted to tell you all that I have 2 little Mortgage Lifter, and Peach Sutton Tomato sproutling! I know the weather will get bad again, and have my fingers crossed they will make it!! These were all WS'd Feb. 25.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2010
2:13 PM

Post #7674883

I have Zinnia babies, only after 3-4 days.

WooHoo on the Tomatoes clp.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2010
4:30 PM

Post #7675170

Teresa...are Zinnias hardy annuals? I'm still trying to get the tendar and hardy thing down. I have some Coleus, Zinnias, Petunias and Marigolds I want to plant. I just got some bottles ready. Would these be okay to put out?

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2010
6:15 PM

Post #7675405

I think those are all Half-Hardy annuals.

a hardy annual is one that will take the cold weather, but not frost.

found this... http://en.mimi.hu/gardening/hardy_annuals.html

and if you click on the link on the LEFT that says GARDENING... it will have tons of other good info.

HTH.
FruitOfTheVine
Blue Ridge Mtns, VA
(Zone 7a)

April 2, 2010
6:47 PM

Post #7675490

Thanks for the Poppy info, GardenQuilts. I'll try a few seeds now and save the rest for next Winter. In December I W/S'd Swiss Giant Poppies and noticed two sprouts in the jug today. I've kept this jug separate and in the dark. Somewhere I read Poppies need darkness to germinate.

More Coneflowers and Coreopsis have sprouted and noticed the first sprigs of Lemon Bee Balm today.

We hit 90 today...geez.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2010
7:04 PM

Post #7675541

This weather is amazing. All over. It only got to 37 here today.
grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2010
7:36 PM

Post #7675677

Wow, we were up to 84 yesterday (a record i think), with a low of 54. Tomorrow the *high* is 57. Welcome to Spring!
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

April 2, 2010
8:49 PM

Post #7675808

That is why I am in no hurry for my WS to come up. As long as they do.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2010
4:29 AM

Post #7676339

When I got home from work yesterday it was 82°. Cooler today, though, with a chance of thunderstorms.

Karen
clpgirl
Chippewa Lake, OH
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2010
7:40 AM

Post #7676659

Last year I bought poppy seed from the poppy shoppe, and they were rolled in clay balls. She said to just put them outside in early spring. So, I did. Those little balls haven't dissolved yet but they are sprouting like crazy. I'll let you all know how it works. So far nothing from the ones I sprinkled in the snow, and just WS'd two jugs a couple days ago and will see how that works.

It's very hot here too, 80 yest. and I'm heading out to take the lids off the containers.

tcs1366

tcs1366
Itasca,IL&Lk Delton, WI
(Zone 5a)

April 3, 2010
8:21 AM

Post #7676730

here is a new thread...
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1085213/

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