cord-wood home

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

For a start i`m going w/a 12*12 cord wood shanty, to get me through the first season,have plenty of tree`s.For the lid im going w/a standing seam metal shed style roof w/water catchment.One of my thoughts are,what is the most economical use of the tree?As in min. width of wall? It wont be my perm.living space,future uses to be battery bank,tools and utility.would 8" uninsulated suffice? Do have decent wood burner for comfort.#2-Am going w/wind and solar,Between the two what amount of juice do I need to generate to adequately run laptop/cell phone,small flat screen/dvd? Not all at once mind you.#3 Am going w/a used servel along w/an on demand hot water to keep somewhat human.Grey-water yep composting toilet gotcha, cabin fever not yet hehe.Sand filter for water coupled w/good old boiling.Ive missed an awful lot I`m certain but have been saving and studying said lifestyle for quite some time.Any and all insight which I`m lacking would be highly regarded.Thank all of you for you and yours in keeping our lands somewhat livable,and our heritage viable.

Sapello, NM(Zone 5b)

Can't help with any of this, except to say that uninsulated may not work for comfort. Even though the cob provides mass, it doesn't insulate. Around here in adobe land we've taken to insulating on the outside for more stable temps., usually 2" rigid, stuccoed over.

I also wonder if an 8" wall would be stable at the height you need for a living space... what are the usual dimensions for cordwood/cob building?

If you're using the water from rain fall, boiling shouldn't be necessary, but you might want a charcoal filter to deal with the algae taste from storage. If you're relying on creek water, boiling may not be enough to kill some parasites or have any effect on heavy metals... it might be a good idea to have some water testing done on your source to determine what's there and the best way to deal with any problems.

I'd recommend you invest in some Backwood Home anthologies and a subscription [no, I don't derive any benefit from this rec'd]... they have a lot of info and a lot of alternative ideas for handling things. This month is the beginning of a series on safe water supply and water treatments.... very nice, very thorough explanation of hazards and options. They've had a lot of articles on sizing alternative power systems, pros and cons of various systems, all sorts of stuff right up your alley.

Countryside is another good mag, but I've found more hardcore info in BHM. Many interesting ideas in Countryside, and great letters and fellowship. I got the idea for some earthbag building from them, but had to do the research to find out how to properly do it online. Both mags have lots of inspiration, something that keeps me going during the worn-out times.

Keep us posted on what you learn and how things go... are you setting up in OH?

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Jayryunun thanx for the info. bldg. will be post and beam reinforced.I`m retired I`m outta cleveland for good,except to visit my son.I`m going to Shannon Co. Missouri.Cost of living there is very reasonable.I`ll be about 3/4 mi. from jack`s Fork river.Near the town of Birch Tree.As I mentioned earlier this is to establish boots on the ground,permenant shanty will be shipping containers w/top side solar and veggy garden, all for now will send pics.

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

Looking forward to updates and pics!

Aren't cordwood structures typically 12"-16"?

Oops! Forgot to welcome you to Dave's Garden!

This message was edited Mar 24, 2010 1:23 PM

Sapello, NM(Zone 5b)

Ah, post and beam with cord/cob infill... that is a whole different kettle of fish, as they say. =0) Seems like if you do it a little at a time, say a foot or two up, that 8" would be good. With the cob, of course, you've got to leave time for it to dry a bit before you can go up more, or the whole wall will slip on you.

What kind of foundation do you plan? How much overhang are you planning to have on the roof? And what about tiedown for the roof, how are you planning on handling that? Because near as I can tell, tornadoes are popping up just any ol' where these days.

Also, check the building codes... there was a sad story about a couple of women that got evicted from their own micro dwelling a while back in Countryside mag... the local authorities caught them living in a sweet little cob house not permitted for human habitation and busted 'em. At least one of them was on disability, and they were pretty broke, but the law has no mercy. So I'd encourage you to stay on the legal side of the housing code... however that might be accomplished. If you like, I can try and figure out what issue the story was in.

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Thank you,Msrobin think I will go 12". What the heck just because it`s not to be permanently lived in I want it to last.No building codes that i`m aware of Jayryunun.If so I`ll stay in my tent! But I will surely ck. on that.planned on screwing angle iron to beams and spot weld roof to it. foundation.angle iron and threaded rod then scewed into vertical beams.Roof to over hang 2 feet all the way around. w/front of roof angled downward.concrete foundation/reinforced

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

Gonna add some colored glass bottles too, right? :)

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Absolutly-my favorite color alchahol colored hahaha

Sapello, NM(Zone 5b)

Say, East, you oughta mosey on over to Retired in Alabama's thread here on Homestead and ask him about sizing your system... he's off grid and currently showing us all how to build an electricity generating water wheel.

And there are building codes everywhere in this country, so assume there's one there, too. In fact, I think MO is where those women were, back in the woods thinking no one would notice 'em. They got a grumpy code enforcer, could be the one in your area is a little more accomodating.

How much land have you got?

Vernon, AL

many of your old style logs homes (cabins) were built with nothing actualy holding them togather except the knotches in them. an most have rotted down. not blown down, they brace themselves quite nicely, if you look at the pic of my cabin. my ground floor is actualy 5 feet off the ground in front .. an touching in the rear. and its made from 10 to 12 inch logs all knotched and hand fitted togather. my kitchen is all log 12ft.x 12ft. square. my celling hight is 7ft. in the kitchen an bath, bottom floor. 2nd floor living room has 8ft. cellings an the 3rd floor bedroom has 8ft cellings also. 1116 sq. feet of living space.

This message was edited Mar 25, 2010 7:20 PM

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

I`m hip to that Free! beautiful place you have there.My self still tidying up loose ends here in cleveland.Hope to get to Missouri in about 3 weeks at the latest to start on mine.Will have to tent it till I atleast get a shell of a building up.Splinters and smashed fingers here we come.

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

What area of Missouri?

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Birch Tree,Shannon Co, about one mile from Jacks Fork river

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

LOL, It's obviously in the boonies, as I've never heard any of those names.

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Thats the point I am through working 8 people per sq. mi. I`m gone soon girl

Vernon, AL

Congrads East, once your there and get it all started you'll never wanna leave, LOL i hate goin to the lil country store 6 miles from here. now when i do everyone is like .. oooooOOOOH dang he's come up outta that hole. hehee

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Yes Free I have got to get out of this city.I`ll keep everyone posted as to progress etc.The lay of the land will I`m sure alter my plans so I`ll just adapt to it.-- I still will go with the 20*40' foot shipping containers.Break out the acetylene torch and lincoln arc welder and modify it, the things are sound. And water proof.Its my dream and I`m stickin`to it!

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

I think using the shipping containers is a great idea. I've seen lots of great ideas on the universities Solar Decathalons and online.

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

I believe so myself,inexpensive, portable.solid as sears. When Katrina wiped out that one town the only home left standing and livable was one fashioned from a shipping container.FEMA approved also i think.

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

Suppose to hold up well in tornados, too. The rolling hills of your part of Mo are also a pretty good deterrent. :)

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Righto there Robin,....I figure i`m 49 yrs. old and put this thing together I wont have to build again. and if i move i have a ready made moving van with no unpacking.

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

You're doing this at the right time, too. I've really "slowed" down in recent years. It was funny, back when I use to be able to run circles around a friend that was only 3-4 years older. Now I understand.

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Robin I worked hard all my life/Union Gandy Dancer.And general Union Labor. Got my retirement--.so some young buck can have a decent wage 4 his family-he can have my job i got my dough.only moved to Cleveland because of the rail road.From the appalacian mts.of maryland origanaly'.Hunting morels castrating hogs and angus,baled hay 4 like 6 cents a bale.bagged potato`s by hand sun up to sundown.I know work.I still work these city slickers harder than a rented mule!

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

Yeah, but age has a way of creeping up on you unnoticed, It's like a dripping faucet that starts when you're in the early 50's...

Well, you definitely have the experience and a strong back. Going to fun watching as you progress.

Sapello, NM(Zone 5b)

Quote from msrobin :
Yeah, but age has a way of creeping up on you unnoticed, It's like a dripping faucet that starts when you're in the early 50's...


Like Chinese water torture... in reverse, I think. Seems like I lose a little umphf every week.

I'm wanting to build a shipping container into my barn when I start with that... rodent proof in a big way. =0) How are you planning on insulating it, East? Are you going to frame up walls inside or ?? I'd like to make mine a comfortable tack/ work shop, but I don't weld. They didn't teach girls that kinda stuff when I was in high school... and now I don't think they teach anyone anything much useful. Used to be shop and home ec, now it's just 'no child left behind'... {{rolling eyes}}

Jay

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Jay there is a spay on application that is applied -----same stuff used on the space shuttles -extremly thin great stuff,Ihad seen it applied to a container home in Florida on u-tube -dont recall the name, sorry, LQQK-OUT-4-IT.If you find the name give me a holler.

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

When I worked in the tool rooms on construction sites, they were just insulated with 2" thick slabs of styrofoam insulation. Seems they used washers and screws to secure it.

Sapello, NM(Zone 5b)

I wonder if its the same stuff they're spraying on adobe homes out here these days... spray inside or outside?

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

They applied externaly believe it or not!

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

That would make it look like stucco, right? That would be pretty cool looking!

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Sort of yes,seems this builder only works with these containers.I personaly love the simplicity of them.And their just waiting to be put back in use.

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Quote from EastOfMidnite :
Sort of yes,seems this builder only works with these containers.I personaly love the simplicity of them.And their just waiting to be put back in use.


Remember to live each day as if it were your last! For one day you`ll be right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sapello, NM(Zone 5b)

It's nice to be right every now and then, isn't it? =0)

Actually, the spray on stuff is then covered with stucco, otherwise it looks like sprayed on foam stuff, kinda cheddar cheesy, if it's the same as they use here.

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Or covered with drivet. It`s a local#5 thing,trowell trades

Brooklyn, NY

i just recently watch a show on green living and they build an addition ont there house using hay bales they stacked them up and then used a flat metal anchor to tie them together they just looped the metal strip under the btm and over the top then clamped them together, they toppped them off with wood to help support the roof the hay created its own insulation kinda like a sod house, then they added plaster to the hay, used a chainsaw to make notches in the hay where need be it turned out great

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

There's definitely lots of great ideas out there for low cost building ideas.

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Yes, cord wood seems to be a solution.Before a minimal of clearing. I dread over-kill Will slill go with the containers, But must open an adequate lane.

This message was edited Mar 29, 2010 8:57 PM

Caneyville, KY(Zone 6b)

A few years ago, there were several tv shows on cordword homes. Sure don't hear much about them anymore. But they are actually quite attractive looking. Hope you are going to post pics on your progress.

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

Robin I`m not coming back to this cess pool.

Cleveland, OH(Zone 6a)

But I assure ytou I will post pictures//////////////////////////////// Just 4 yer self

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