Now will you try to plant all of that out like it is or cut it out in hunks or what? This is my first year trying WS and I know I have a lot of HOS, some are almost ready to go out; starting to get second sets of leaves.
That is more than one plant isn't it? I love poppies. That one is so pretty.
Karen, my sister just reseeded 40 tomatoes that didn't come up. She is going to Arizona for a week so she brought them to me to babysit. I am putting them on the heat mat and under lights. So they should be well on their way by the time she gets back.
But this weather is so strange that I will be surprised if many of my WS germinates. The plants know it is not the year to grow. It doesn't get out of the 50s during the day and it is below freezing at night.
Don't know what is worse, the snow, or the real cold weather.
Amazing, it only took 4 days for 'Double Click' and 'Candy Stripe' Cosmos to germinate. 'Snow-In-Summer' is looking like a chia pet more every day, Anita. Thanks again for those seeds.
With our heat wave the last week, it's hard to imagine having another frost but there's probably one or two more waiting in the wings before we're out of the woods on May 15th. I opened my jugs last week before we hit 90, have been consistently watering them but boy are they still thirsty.
Next in line are Cukes, Zukes, Peppers, Squash and Tomatoes. Just wondered who has a report about yours, how they're doing, and when you sowed them?
Watch out if you do, FotV is right. My cosmos, double click were up and 3 inches tall in 3 or 4 days. If it were me I would wait. I can't toss them 'cause that is all my seed. But, what am I going to do with them if they continue to grow at this rate? They are in the house and warm. Should I put them outside? It is cold out there. How do I slow them down? I have to repot them cause they came up kind of like that chia. LOL
I'll WS mine and if they germinate and we get another frost... i'll put them in my unheated sunroom. It's gets quite cool/cold in there but there wont be any frost or wind... so they will be protected a bit.
I'm going to put my tomatoes out there to harden them off.
Jnette, I had no idea they'd pop up so fast and I may have jumped the gun. Since you're growing yours inside, I wonder if they'd be good candidates to harden off during the day in a cool shady spot and bring them back in at night, since your temps are still cold?
What category are Cosmos in anyway or does that depend on your Zone? I'm pretty sure in VA they're half-hardy.
Anita.. I"m a no nonsense - just do it person. nothing gets anything special.
I believe they were all surface sown... the seeds are so small anyways...
This year they were in those yogurt buckets that have lids... but since they are white, the sunlight gets thru - so i would not consider that darkness.
I figure... if the seeds 'fall' off the plant in the summer/fall, they are on the surface anyways.
Yes, I have been using you all's philosophy on WSing. How many seeds did you sow? Those were not commercial seeds??? I just sowed some Gaillardia inside and outside. The seeds inside have come up already.
I have some sprouts that are touching the inside of my container, should I open the container? What am I waiting for to open the container? We are supposed to have weather in the mid 70's for the next 10 days. Our expected low will be above freezing, 39. I don't want to cook my seedlings, so I'm wondering if I should let it air out for a while then close if up?? Or just take off the top half all together?
I would not take the tops off all together, yet... you may still have some cold nights.
that is the great thing about the "hinge".
>>How many seeds did you sow? Those were not commercial seeds???
was this about the Poppies?? no, not commercial - i rarely have commercial, all from the swaps
and poppies seeds are hard to count,... i generally do "a pinch" and that's a lot of seeds as they are like sand or smaller.
I think> I have some Giallardia that have germinate outside already, i'd have to check my notes. OH nope... none yet. I think i need to sow MORE of them.
What's your experience with coneflower? I have some Sundown and Hope Echinacea that I would like to WS. I don't know why I'm still trying to WS but once a week I feel the need to cut up some containers and throw some seeds inside.
so if you did the now, and they germinate pretty easily, you wont get blooms until next year.
I did a few varieties last year, i think the neighbors dog killed [peeed on all winter] my Merlot -- which i am not happy about. but i think all the others, with the exception of the Tennessee one - are coming back. [i have read they need rocky soil and usually do not survive... but i'm still watching the spot where i planted them'
I think i read somewhere.. that you can germinate them early enough, say January time frame and they may bloom first year... but i've never done it.
I'm sure I have WSed some but I was going through my seed stash and I forgot what coloe the Hope and Sundown were. I have to check my list again to make sure I have not already WS these varieties. I do remember trying the Merlot. It hasn't germinated yet.
I used some containers from a restaurant that have clear plastic lids with plastic bottoms. I also have a containter that has an fiol bottom. I'm noticing these containers seem to hold alot more water and seems to have mold growing inside. I made the drainage holes bigger but each time I pick up the containers, I'm still getting water run off. These containers are on my patio table and not inside a box. I'm not sure if that would make a difference but I'm hopeful. I was thinking maybe the water is not running off into something that can absorb the excess???
Been off-line, taking lids off and putting them back on. We had the same heavy winds and I was chasing some lids all around the neighborhood.
I WS'd Cosmos in Jan. They are all popping up now, as well as the Echinea-in answer to the WS Echie question. I know one is Moreno. Loved to see those poppy shots as I seeded two jugs at the end of last week.
Hassle here is the hot,hot (80s), followed by wind. Things are drying out rapidly and I have simulating rainfull with my sprinkling set to shower. Seems to work OK.
Still don't have a list of what is up, but I would guess 60percent of Feb.25 WS are seedings, and of course,some are chias.
My neighbor just came back from the summer, and saw my 'recycling' on the patio. Waiting for him to comment...LOL!
diamond9192002 wrote:Once there is green mold growing inside your containers, does that mean the seeds are no good?
Anita -- Ive had seeds grow where i had white mold and the green mossy stuff. just try to nip it and let the container dry out a bit.
I've also had the other - where they seeds literally molded/rotted... then obviously they will not germinate... I think it you get to it quick enough and get rid of the mold - and let it dry out a bit... they very well could germinate... i know mine have.
Cosmos are very prolific (in my garden anyway) self-seeding annuals. I planted some 4 years ago and have never had to plant anymore again. LOL (Not that I wanted them for all these successive years...)
Oh how I know about regarding planting some plants...
yesterday I spend out getting started cleaning up the beds and came across the new seedlings from this very very very very (yes I meant to say all of those very) invasive plant. It is beautiful but I don't want my own flower bed filled with them... wish I had full sun in a fence section of the back yard and I would plant them back there for some beautification...LOL
Janet, what were the plants that were so VERY invasive? I'll tell you the one I had the problem with was Sweet Woodruff. I love that plant but it took over my perennial bed even to climbing my rose bushes. I used 'Roundup on it several times but it was into things like my roses where I couldn't use the RU and so it is still there. Also have to say RU didn't even kill it on the ground where I could hit it good. LOL, and it looked so pretty when I saw it in the plants at Walmart Saturday.
If you're having to water (like I am) use a few of those open-weave flats, turn them upside down and set your jugs on top of them. That's what I did early on since some of my jugs didn't drain well. Course that hasn't been a problem the last week. Now they can't get enough water.
I have the same problem Anita. Yes, I have sheltered mine from the rain, and then when the sun shines I put them up on the table. Within an hour it is pouring down rain so I run out and put them back under the table. They are still really wet.
I do not know how these are ever going to sprout. It is below freezing almost every night and only gets as high as mid 50s once in a while. By the time it warms up it is going to be ready for fall.
Just got thru yelling at the weatherman on TV. Wonder if that will help.
FOV, just wait until the 3rd year of that Sweet Woodruff. Remember the 3rd year they are suppose to leap? Well thaqt stuff will be leaps and bounds. Maybe you could put a wall around it somehow. Don't know tho since mine climbs too.
onewish1 wrote:I am so bummed.. went to check on my poppies I WS'ed last year... a bunch did not return this year
I did not think Poppies were perennials. I was under the impression they were annuals, though heaving reseeding... but i have also not had volunteers. or if i did, I did not notice them.
I've been sowing them annually.
FOV, thank you. Yes Jeanette, I am good. We do not have much winter here. I take my seed and throw them in the garden and then thin where I do not want them. I also have a holding garden, I start seed in and then transfer them where I want them when they are large enough. Do the same with plants I get in the mail that are so very small. I put them in the holding garden and let them mature, then plant them in the landscape. Took me about three years of lost mail order plants before I figured that one out.
My neighbor had some oriental poppies in her front planter box. I would go over daily and dead head the spent flowers. I let them dry in the garage. I threw them in one vacant bed about a week ago. It will be interesting if they germinate and grow. I did the same think last year with Columbine at Lowes. I picked off the spent dried blooms and came home and spread the seed. They did germinate.
I would love to 'help out' Lowe's too. But you didn't hear it from me... :)
I've WS'd Shrley poppies also, but only 5-6 days ago. glad to hear they work.
Answering above question, I WS'd tomatoes, heirloomseeds from a small grower/collector, on Feb.25th. So far I have White Oxheart, Peach Sutton, and Mortgage Lifter popping up. Got some Burpee's Big Boy from Wintersown and they are also starting. I'm SURE out frost/cold isnt done and will be interested in seeing how they do with those drops in temp.
I've just been covering, not bringing in, on cold nights. So far they are doing fine with this. Biggest issue for me is that I am home at the right times to cover, uncover, water and/or set in water trays.
Makes sense to me that the heirlooms would do better since they still re-seed in these parts in a regular garden setting. their biological clock hasn't been re-set by scientific 'progress' for maket value cardboard sturdiness and stamina, and consistency in germination times which would certainly be an asset to a commercial grower.
My friend's husband, before he retired, owned a seed company whose primary client was Campbell's. I never throught about this before but it is a huge business making sure your tomato seeds, as a grower, turn into tomatos that enable Campbells tomato soup to taste the same as when we were kids. The instruments they use to analyze tomatoes are similar to drug-testing-chemical analysis of the amounts of this and that, in the tomatoes (sugar, carbs etc) PLUS not easily bruised or fast-ripening. I don't think seeds that engineered would be good winter-sowing candidates.
Looking at it from that angle I can certainly understand the history of hybrids, and the loss of 'real' tomatoes in the US economy.
"pologize, for a bit off track. I need to go to bed! LOL!
This is my first year wsing. I had my jugs on the east side of my gh. I moved them to the front side and now I have three jugs sprouting. :-)
The weather here in Michigan has been very hot for this time of year. I just watched the weather and it shows that the night temps for the next three nights will get down to the upper 20s. I am afraid it will kill my new sprouts. Should I bring them into my heated gh now or will that throw off the ws process? Or should I cover them like cplgirl suggests? What do you cover them with a blanket or something plastic?
I love eveyones pictures it is nice to see what the seedlings look like for each type of plant.
Anita... thank you for your offer.. but with all i've sown with Poppies - I do think i have a lot as it is. Plus, those Orientals do look familiar, I may have one or two out there that came in a seed Mix. I know i've had the Red ones.
I wanted to try something different to see what would happen. I put 6 of my containes on the south side of my house, which gets full sun. All of those containers were started on March 23. I think 4 of the 6 have sprouts already. I tried some clematis just for the hell of it and it's sprouting, too! Overall I don't think I'm doing to badly...maybe 10 jugs are sprouting out of close to 50. It's seems like the full sun location offers faster sprouts. I really wasn't expecting much with the clematis. I have been trying to grow it from seed for years!
Went out this afternoon, and ALL but one tomato, out of 23 heirlooms have seedlings. Also Rosa Blanca Egg-plant. A bit worried cuz I know we'll have more frosts, but thrilled this is happening. My bro-in-law had to EAT HIS WORDS this weekend. (A rare occurence!) WIsh I had bet a good dinner on whether WS would work. Plus have made a number of new converts in this area.
Love this thread and look forward to reading everyone's sucesses, and challenges, every night.
I do not WS because I live in Las Vegas and we really do not have a winter. But I get such joy just reading your trials and triumphs that I check in everyday just to cheer you on, an on, an on...May all your garden beds be filled with worms..
I have been watching mine for the last week and tonight my jug eye spotted so many sprouted seeds... Oh my goodness. The silly rain keeps not coming so I'm gonna have to water them as a lot of mine are dry... The weather man says temps are going to be dropping on Wednesday night so all I'm gonna do is just lay some weed fabric over them as I'm not about to go through putting tops on all those jugs, so weed fabric better be good enough... we will see.
I have decided I am going to put all of mine in the 4 tier little greenhouse thing I have and put them out on the deck in it. I'm tired of putting them on the table for sun and an hour later, under the table because it is raining or hailing.
Maybe that will make mine start to sprout. We re still below freezing every night. I planted my strawberries tonight anyway. My helebores are up about 6 inches and blooming.
I brought one of my jugs of rudbeckias in the house to see if they would sprout. Hope they haven't rotted.
Janet... where I mentioned 'putting the lids' on... that was not for the milk jugs... it was for the big yogurt containers and the flat ones [i dont have a photo of ] but it's like a big rectangular take out dish with a big lid... some of my Zinns have surpassed the lid area so i have to take them off.
well, mine were dry and it has been saying that we were going to get rain each night for the last 2 nights so I didn't water them (which would have been the first time that I've done anything to them) and then this morning wake up to find about 20 jugs scattered all over the patio... so can't find the seed in the mix and they could have fallen out... going home at lunch time to water the jugs so they will stay put...
oh well at least there are about 15 jugs that have sprouted and I will be transplanting them into a container... provided the pots I ordered get here before this weekend...
I am so sorry about your jugs. The wind hit here too. I've been similating rain with the sprinkler head of my hose set to shower over the WS area. I've also been bottom soaking some of the jugs which is very, very time consuming. This wind is just awful.
I am, as I'm sure you are, hoping one of these rain predictions finally comes TRUE.
Nice collection of CHIAS ClpGirl! I'm feeling inspired!!!!! You're in zone 5b and I'm in zone 5a...when did you WS your marigolds? I need to look those up to see if they are hardy or tender annuals here. I have some of the snow ball varieties I'd like to WS
I just went over the "STICKY" but I could not find the answer to my question. If someone answered this, then I'm sorry for asking again. When do you remove the cover from seedlings containers? Am I supposed to remove cover as soon as I see significant germination? Do I wait until the temperature is consistantly 60 or more degrees? When do I uncover my seedling? I have quite a few that have sprouted and I don't want to suffocate them. One of my containers has seedlings that are touching the lid. That can't be good the tender seedlings???
I have the lids off my Zinns, and it's gonna be in the 30's tonight.
I have my indoor sown Tomatoes out in my sun room... it is currently 50 out there ... they have been out for a few days already... i'll take a peek at them tomorrow -- only supposed to be mid 40's If they are looking sad and limpy, they will have to come back in.
I'll go take a photo of the other dishes i've been talking about... they are more shallow, but not like the Chx dishes ... but no room for the seedlings to grow... so the lids are off.
here is it with the lid off. from the top of the soil, to the edge of the container... it's only about 1.5" ... so not a lot of growing room... i honestly did not think they would have germinated this quickly.
Diamond, if you're using milk jugs, you should have the lid/cap off and some air/water inlet holes on the top of your jugs. They'll be fine in there without removing the top half of the jug until you're ready to plant or until they start growing out the top.
love seeing your stuff... yes again no rain, so out I went when I came home and soaked down all the jugs... wow what a job...plus I'm sure some seeds were dislodged from the wind and the watering so who knows if I'll get any germination from those jugs... one good thing is I found a lot of jugs with a bunch of germinated seeds...hurrrrrrayyyyyyyy
Some of the Morning Glory seeds I have are soaking overnight, can't wait to plant them tomorrow. More Verbena and Columbines are up and the Cosmos seedlings are a 1/2" tall. What am I going to do with all these? Campanula is sprouting and "Chater's Double" Hollyhocks need to be transplanted. Blackberry Lilies I W/S'd in January are 1" tall and a few Dayliles I planted two weeks ago are already up.
I can't imagine still having snow! We're having an unseasonably warm Spring with high's the last week in the 90's and low's in the 60's. Am I doing the right thing by keeping the top-half of the jugs open or should I close them at night? Some of mine are drying out really quickly too, and I've had to water them daily for the last week.
Diamond, I WS'd the Marigolds on 3/5. They went out in 2 ft of snow, and have been through a snow storm, ice storm, rain, and hail! I don't know how I'd classify them-maybe fearless? LOL
For the past several weeks, due to the wind and quite high day temps for this time of year, I've been taking the tops off in the morning, and replacing around 5-6pm. I found that seems to keep them warm for the night.
As you well know, Meadowyck, all has been drying out very quickly here. I started the on and off process when I noticed that I had some little crispy seedlings about two weeks ago despite all the vent openings. I've also beenn water showering from above, and placing some in water trays when I'm outside during the day.
We have low 30's predicted for the next several nights so it will be interesting to see how they do.
I've really enjoyed seeing everybody's 'crop' photos tonight. I'm still amazed at how simple, logical, common sense equals (or supercedes technology!) Mother Nature still seems to know best...the surprises every day are just grand!
Thanks for the pictures, Karen! Are you all preparing your beds now? I have been working on my beds a little at time. I know I have some time before I can plant, so when it's planting time, I want to be able to just stick them in the ground and water. Are you all doing anything special with your beds? This year I am trying the no digging/tilling method. I plan to mulch with compost. I'm having 4 yards delivered in a couple of weeks. I have some serious work cut out for me. LoL I'm using newspaper and card board boxes as weed blocker.
Susan, are we going to get some pictures of your babies? Sounds like we have WSed some of the same plants. My double chaters and bb lilies haven't showed up yet. I have 3 containers that have a single seedling. LoL My lone Malva is standing strong, along with a black hh and a double red hh. Luckily, I liked the black hh so much that I sowed two jugs.
The weather here has not been conducive for working on flower beds... it's been cold and rainy.
Tomorrow should be a better day.
I generally do not do anything special... just pull weeds and grasses... since the majority of the beds i work on, technically are not my property, i do my best not to sink any money into it... just sweat equity. SO, there is no mulch.. that would cost a small fortune.
I have so much to do in the yard before I can plant :-( It's still raining now, though.
Most involves getting rid of thousands of larkspur volunteers. I haven't had time. Been working a lot and tending to elderly mother. I'm so tired. Leaving soon to take her to yet another doctor appointment. Somehow that always seems to eat the whole day.
Teresa, my weather has been icky the past couple of days. The prior 7 - 10 days have offered 60 - 70 degree weather...perfect for working in the yard! Now we have 50 degrees during the day with rain and wind then 38 degrees at night. Ugh!
Karen I hope your mother is better soon. Caring for and worrying about another person is enough to wear you out. We should meet at your house and get the beds ready for planting???? Sounds like a good idea for a road trip!!!
When you all get lots of volunteers, do you ever pot them up and sell them or give them away?
That rampant reseeding seems to be more an issue in rich soil. I have a bed that was a lasagna garden, with every kind of compost, mulch, potting soil, or top soil I could find at Lowes with ripped bags (50% off). It's really great soil now (3 years later) and is quite covered with Larkspur, but in other areas I've only found manageable numbers of Larkspur volunteers.
I'm curious about how much soil you need for the lasagna bed? I thought I read 6 inches? Or was it much more? I want to plant in my beds right away. Instead of making my own compost, I'm just gooing to add already composted matierial. Most of the plants I add will probably be my WS seedling or plants I'm splitting/transplanting. I'm not sure how big the root system will be. Any advice?
Oooops, i forgot about the morning glories... i was jsut outside, and dang it's cold... they are looking really sad. i have them inside now under a lamp. I may give them some thrive too, to see if they perk bakc up again... hope i didnt kill them.
I've just put the ZInns in the sun room. It's only about 40° in there... but no wind.
Yes, Terese, that is one bed of volunteers, and I have 2 others that look the same. That photo was taken in early January before all the snow. Now, they're worse, more volunteers, and they're are taller with longer roots. Each time I yank some, more come up to replace them. They don't seem to be a problem for most folks, but every year I find new reseeding plants that are more work than they're worth- melampodium, verbena bonariensis are also on the list. I will allow only a few mellies to remain and yank them early in fall to prevent too much reseeding. I also deadhead ruds for the same reason- they reseed a lot for me. I used to leave seedheads on things like ruds and echs for the birds, but it's just too much work.
It's not that I don't deadhead, I do. In fact last summer my beds were so heavily planted and had so many unwanted volunteers that I became a slave to weeding and deadheading. I vowed then to thin out my beds.My goal for this year became less plants in the same amount of space, and avoiding heavy reseeders. I didn't realize then that larkspur would become such a problem, but I guess I'm adding that to my banned list.
Thanks for your concern for my mom, Diamond, but she's just old and every body part is wearing out. She is severely arthritic, rheumatoid, spinal stenosis, etc. She's not really sick, but every day she has something else that she sees as an emergency. Yesterday, it was a rash on her belly button. I am not kidding. I had to make another trip over there to check her !@#$%^ belly button. Today we both had routine eye exams, I am half blind from dilated pupils, so heaven knows what I'm writing here. On Monday I have to take her to a breast surgeon about a questionable mammogram. (Yes, I took her to the mammogram on Wednesday of last week). It never ends, it's just her continuing saga... and I am the only one who does anything for her.
Sorry, I went waaaay off topic, back to the thread
You don't need any dirt for lasagna gardens, only organic matter. Compost, finished or partly finished, is a nice addition. You can pretty much ad lib, make it up as you go. For more information you can google "lasagna gardening" or "sheet composting" or "interbay mulch" http://ourgardengang.tripod.com/lasagna_gardening.htm
Karen, sounds like your mom needs attention. Does she not like to garden? Even just some plants in her window or on her door step or something like that? Does she need hobbies? Is there anything she is interested in? Please don't give up on her. I know it is tough but darn it, we are all going to be there some day.
Sorry I kept your off topic going, but I feel sorry for her. And you. It's just a shame you can't enjoy her more while she is here.
Isn't Roundup a systemic? Have you tried it? Or do you not want to use something like that? On your "volunteers".
My Mom can't walk except a very short distance, with a walker. She can't even stand very well. She has constant, severe pain from her 2 types of arthritis and severe spinal stenosis. Sharp shooting pains from her back, down her legs. She says plants or fresh flowers in water get moldy and make her allergies worse... I've tried, it's pretty hopeless. She lives in independent living at a retirement center, but couldn't get by without me. She goes to some activities there, but less and less all the time. She just has too much pain. She's alwaystired. Walking to the bathroom tires her.I know I don't want to live that long.
But we're so off topic, please, we'd better drop it.
Jnette, I plant anything and everything in lasagna beds. If you're wanting to plant immediately, at least 6" of composted material is a good start and works well for seedlings and bedding plants. Bulbs and large perennials may require more. A nice layer of mulching material on top is a good idea to conserve moisture- I have found that top layer can dry out quickly in warm weather. After a few months the plants roots have grown into the native soil, and the earthworms have had some time to do their work, then drying out isn't much of an issue. I've found bearded Iris LOVE lasagna beds!
I made some new raised beds for tomatoes for this year. My husband built wood frames, then I covered the lawn with cardboard. I added several inches of soil (a truckload of crappy clay "topsoil") because I wanted the soil level to be raised above where it began. Then I heaped on organic matter- mostly grass clippings and fall leaves, but also some yard waste, coffee grounds, straw, half done compost, whatever I could find. It ended up to be about 10"-12" of OM. I covered with cotton sheets and put it to bed around late October. It's still covered, but I expect nice soil for my tomatoes this year.
well, my little MG's are looking "OK"
one was wilted over, and within an hour after giving it a drink of "Thrive" - it perked back up again. it was the only lil seedling where the leaves did not get 'burnt' from the cold. All 5 seedling are back 'standing up' -- so i hope they all make it.
Scared to look at the WS seedlings today. It SNOWED last night. Guess this will be the proof of sturdiness. Did cover my tomato cups with a blanket cuz they seem to be coming up so darn early. I'm going to leave them all alone until the sun's back out on Sunday...no uncovering til then. Fingers crossed.
Jnette, I don't plant out tomatoes until Mid May- too much risk of frost before that. I wintersowed tomato seeds, the first batch got blown sway. I just re-sowed a few days ago. Hopefully, these will grow but if not I'll have to buy plants this year. I've grown them from seed the past couple of years.
I pretty much got nothing done outside, ended up at my Mother's place again all day. Just went out and took the sheet off of my tomato beds, will turn and mix those top leaves soon.
Frost here tonight, so since I had those sheets in my hands, I threw them on my jugs.
I have re-potted my tomatoes last week, Karen. I didn't WS mine, I planted the seeds in my kitchen the end of March. I don't buy mine from the stores because they don't have the ones I want to grow. I never thought of Winder sowing tomatoes.
If I had they still would not be up. My last frost date is the end of May. I will plant them mid may. I will up-pot into gallon containers one more time. In probably a couple of weeks.
Your beds look wonderful. I am so envious. I normally plant in strawbales, but am about done with that as the farmers are baling in big bales now because they load better on these big flatbed trucks. Not the sway that they have with the smaller bales.
I planted strawberries in a jar 2 days ago and it froze last night. The soil in the jar was frozen hard at noon today. But there was new growth on the plants in just those 2 days..
HD used to carry it and then quit at our local store in Wash. state. Don't know if they all quit or not. Maybe Lowes carry it. I know the nurseries carry it. It is called Superthrive. tcs shortens it.
There is a whole forum on strawbale gardening. You would have to read it. We plant tomatoes mainly and a lot of other veggies in them. You decompose the bales and then plant in them. The centers are decomposed. You use a lot of fertilizers etc. because there are no nutrients in the straw.
Also, the hydroponic stores care it. Superthrive. Years ago I use to use a product called Startup. It was a Vitamin B for shock when you transplant. I think they were bought out and then repackage it as Superthrive. That's all it is.
Just like I used to use an oxygen, can't think of the name but you put two squirts in a gallon of water each time you watered your plants. My house plants were beautiful. Come to find out all it was is Hydrogen Peroxide. Big price at the time and not so much now in a brown bottle. LOL
I think I bought that Superthrive before. I didn't notice a difference with my plants. Everyone has spoken highly of it. I like the idea of the compost tea and hydrogen peroxide and the epsom salt. One of my co-workers were asking about the strawbales. I was just curious about it but I will direct him, as you said to look it up.
I uncoverd some of my seedlings to allow them to get a little air. They look pretty good even though they were not coverd last night. I'm going to check out your tonic! Do you use it on your house plants?
Terese, bachelor buttons should be just fine to be set out. I have volunteers in the garden that show up in fall and just stand firm all winter. They're quite tough and cold tolerant, so yours should be fine.
The local Lowe's didn't have superthrive. They seem to be stocking only by brand, not by chemical. Very aggravating. I'll have to try home depot, KMart and the other local shops. Maybe they have their things listed online? I'll check.
I hate to have to order by mail, pay shipping and pick everything up at the post office. They don't deliver mail here, so I have to trudge up and down the hill to the post office. I have been having respiratory problems lately, so I haven't gotten up there as often as I should.
I was also looking for sulfur. They had a very dilute, overpriced, earthy crunchy natural sulfur spray -in a line of overpriced, dilute natural sprays. I wanted the regular, old fashioned 100% powder.
Anita, what tonic? Surely not the Superthrive. To spray the ground with.
Superthrive is for transplant shock. Or, I will use it for a plant that might be reviving from a disease, bugs, etc. Sickly plants. Not a fertilizer. A vitamin. Vitamin B is for stress. B12 I think. Correct me if I am wrong or if it even matters which B. But, it is a drench for the roots. Or, I will soak plants like roses with Superthrive when I get them bareroot. I clip the roots, mainly to give them a fresh cut to soak it up. I have also soaked the pruned ends of the bareroot rose.
Tonics quite often are used for both killing insects and their eggs or larvae. I guess tonics can be fertilizers too. So, most can be a folier spray. All depends on the ingredients.
That question was directed at Terese, I'm sorry. She posted a link for the tonics. I was asking if it was just used for sickly plants, transplant shock or as fertilizer. The epsom salt is used as a fertilizer as well as the compost tea. So I wanted to know how I should apply the tonic before I began using it. Most of the recipes listed beer, not sure of the purpose. I know it helps rid your hostas of slugs. Not sure of the use of ammonia. I know sulphur is a mineral. So I'm just asking to make sure I understand. LoL
Anita... as i stated in a previous post... I dont know the hows and whys of this tonic... but i do water soil and spray foliage.
I have not yet had the time it will take to read both those huge threads to figure out what each product does.
I do know ammonia does kill slugs and the eggs... but it is a 'contact' killer. I do not know why it's in the plant tonic for Brugs.
I just used what i had on hand in the house.
BUT -- i have spritzed seedlings and there has not been any ill effects.
transplanted a bunch of Coreopsis and put them all in one pot for a plant trade... they were quite wilty... heavily watered it with the 'tonic' that i had made up... and within a few hrs, they had perked back up again.
I've been using it on my WS seedlings / seeds and the ones sown in the house... no adverse effects on any of them.
maybe one day I will know what each of those items "do" that others are putting in their "recipe".
Okay thanks all. I was just curious. I'll go through the thread to read what each ingredient provides. I did write down each recipe. LoL I'm all for anything natural that helps my plants. Its an interesting combination of ingredients. I would love to know who came up with this tonic. Its seems like something a chemist would have invented. LoL
I found my Super Thrive at a hydrophobic store. These stores are popping up all over the West, and it was a larger bottle and less than Lowes. I looked into Amazon but the shipping was outrageous. The nurseries had it and their price as also outrageous. I do not plant anything with a soak in super thrive and kelp fertilizer, which was a gift.
I will have to give ST another shot. I tried it along with the sea weed and I didn't notice a significant difference. I have a couple of plants tha could use the help. I bought a Mandevilla that is not looking too good. If this tonic helps bring it back I will be forever grateful. I was opening up my jugs yesterday. I have a few more sprouts coming up. I took a couple og pictures to share. My neighbors have been peeking at my jugs wondering what was inside. Here's the pictures. I don't have chia pets yet but they are really coming along. The first a picture of most of the jugs with sprouts. I'm trying to keep them together to keep a closer eye on them.
Jnette, did it work? The tonics sounds like its made up of the things you would have in most households. I started looking through my cupboards for the ingredients. I was suprised to find most of the ingerdients in the tonic. I happened to notice that I had 6 bottles of peroxide. LoL I read that peroxide with water or chamomile tea worked wonders for damping off. Here's the picture of the Cherry Brandy rud seedlings. I am so amazed at how easy the WSing is compared to trying to start seeds inside for all these years!
I wish I could say the same about the WSing. I finally put mine in my little 4 tier mini greenhouse out on the deck. Maybe they will get warm enough during the day to hold over the 20s at night.
I still have 5 shelves of seeds started in the house. Petunias, verbenas etc. Those are seeds I don't want to take a chance on. I have only 2 things sprouted in my WS. For some reason I am even having trouble with the seeds in the houe. Only about half of my seeds are germinating. I just don't understand 3 out of a 6 pack will sprout and not the other 3.
Jnette, I never tried the peroxide. Usually by the time I figure out I have a problem its too late. I'm terrible about keeping track of the germination period. LoL. In the house I have tried to start two different kinds of dahlias. I have maybe 3 that germinated. The 3 that sprouted are going strong. I've had horrible luck with the Gerbera Daisy seeds. I had a few outside that I brought inside and a couple are doing pretty good. I'm not sure where I went wrong with the seeds.
I brought a jug of my WS in the house a couple of days ago, some ornamental grass, and it is up about 4 inches. So, it is alive.
I noticed all of a sudden today one of my tuber dahlias was up about 10 inches. I cut it off at a leaf note about 2 inches up. I always pinch my dahlias so they will bush and then I don't have to stake them. They don't have quite as big flowers I don't think, but they have more flowers than just one tall one. I planted several seeds one of the DGers sent me and I see one of those are up today. I really like growing dahlia from seed. They turn into tubers by the end of the season. And that's cool.
Forgot to add that I plant mine in containers 'cause I can't dig them.
Are you saying like the one I took out of the middle when I cut it off? LOL, I never thought about it but I did stick it in the soil. I doubt if it will start that way. Might. I will be surprised. Should have put it in water or something?
I always root them in some type of planting medium... rooted them just like a coleus.. remove the bottom leaves... just leave 1 or 2 sets at the top... dipped in rooting hormone... and stuck in medium... rooted pretty quick too... last year they were just in perlite.. but have used seed starting mix or what ever I had around in the past.. I always start my dahlia seeds super early inside to get enough to cut for cuttings.. so the one set of seeds that germinated.. are now two
I agree with Stephanie, that is a beautiful picture! So, Jnette, are you saying that the first shoot from the plant should be clipped? I'm trying Dahlias for the first time. When is a good time to snip the center stem? Right now my seedling is pretty young. Should I wait until it has it true leaves?
I think I read that some place, maybe in the dahlia forum. I didn't realize dahlias were so different from other tubers but it makes perfect sense just like with the coleus. I had datura last year for the first time. I may try it with those as well just to see what happens. The datura had several blooms but I was a lot more lenthy than it was bushy. I would prefer them to be more bushy than tall.
I just never thought about starting another dahlia from it because I always pinched them just to make them bush so I didn't have to stake them. But, I don't have the room to start them that early. That I would have more growing. Don't know what I would do with more anyway. But, yes, I don't see why they would be different. I was just so shocked to see that dahlia had grown any because I had just planted it and put it on a lower shelf out of the way. So it would have been a leggy plant anyway. No light or anything.
Yesterday I was emptying a few containers from last year that I had held out hope for, thinking they may surprise me during the summer, and they ended up sitting out there out of sight all winter. I couldn't believe it when I opened the one labeled 'Columbine, William Guiness' and there were 2 seedlings!
Wow! Gemini,good for you! One of the MG grew up working ina greenhouse. She said thay would throw seeds in a pot in the fall and forget about them. If they survived the winter they had flowers. I guess that makes sense, just like winter sowing with with little protection from the elements.
I am beginning to get so many sprouts! I have one hh in a jug. Its starting to form leaves that are different shapes from the originals.
Now that so many of the jugs are germinating, I'm wondering where in the world I am going to put them all! LoL
Well Karen, my temps out there are in the low 60s which is really warm for us. I have my seeds all in my 4 tier mini greenhouse the last 4 or so days, but they still have not sprouted. I brought one in a week ago and it sprouted. My lantana I brought in right after I put it out and it has not sprouted and probably will not.
Never tried lantana. It's one of those heat lovers which, it seems to me, might do better inside with bottom heat. At least here, where the growing season is shorter. It might not be an issue, just a guess on my part.
Well, what about the rest? Do you think they will ever sprout outside? Maybe in July or August? I really don't want to lose my seeds. I have so many seeds, tomatoes, petunias, geraniums, etc. in the house I don't know where I will put them if I have to bring them in the house to start them. I guess I could move the mini greenhouse in here but it wouldn't have any lights. Darn.
sorry I missed that you sowed them already... if given the right temperature some seeds can take 60 days to germinate... but I don't know how long they take to flower after that... I know my cuttings take forever to flower... but not sure about seeds
I don't think it's a good idea to bring WSown containers in the house. I think your best best is to just wait it out. When the temp outside climbs, they should sprout.
My tomatoes are sprouting now. Out of 12 cups, I think 7 have sprouted in the past few days with daily highs in the 70s. They were just sown about 10 days ago. Tomatoes are like weeds, they will surely sprout. They just need very warm temps. Petunias usually sprout at fairly low temps, grow slowly as tiny seedlings, then take off. I've never WSown geraniums, but I know others who have, and they did well. They just need more heat.
My sea holly just recently put up 3 seedlings. They've been out there since last summer, July I think. Just give it time.
As far as your mini greenhouse goes, I think the seeds/seedlings benefit from exposure to the elements- alternating warmth and cool temps, rain and snow, winds, etc. As far as I'm concerned, those mini greenhouses defeat the purpose of wintersowing.
What about the people who winter sowed their seeds in their greenhouses, in jugs, right from the beginning? I remember having this conversation back at the beginning along about Feb. and I said the same thing but was told it was ok.
Sorry, I just want these darned things to sprout so I will be able to plant them out n a month or so. I don't even care if they bloom this year as long as they are plants I can use eventually.
Kqcrna, thanks for the sea holly info. I knew they took a looong time, so I'll just keep them in the jug forever. LOL.
Last night was the first night I didn't put covers back on my WS containers and everybody looks just fine. Hooray!
After talking to me our local pub owner decided to WS her hot peppers. She missed part of the concept and just put them in a container and packed snow on top of them! I saw her a couple days ago and she has about 90% germination and is thrilled. Plus is telling lots of people I told you so. Even with the big ooops, it worked!
Well the Sweet Woodruff has been the ground just little over 1 week. I went to see how it was doing yesterday morning and it already has 5 new leaves and looks very happy. FOV and Jnette, I will let you know invasive it gets. I have a hair appointment early today and a nail appointment at 1:30pm so I will try to get a photo later in the day to show you how happy it is in the desert.
Jnette, it's not that you CAN'T wintersow in a greenhouse or your tiered greenhouse, I just think that those out in the elements get some help from Mother Nature outside and they don't get that in the greenhouse. I think the rain and snow and swings in temperature often help the seeds to overcome their dormancy, and the seedlings are maybe a little tougher, too.
Thanks for the report, Sharon. Like Jnette said, it'll be interesting to see how your Sweet Woodruff grows in the desert and not if but when it decides to take off!
Out of 25 jugs, about half mine spouted and I've been busy transplanting the ones that are large enough. Not too shabby for my first attempt at W/S'ing. I doubt the other seeds were viable, so I tossed their contents in my Wildflower garden yesterday and threw away the jugs. It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, eventually comes up there. With our warmer days, I've started more veggies, herbs, and annuals.
Did you take any pictures of the size of your transplants? I have some that I'm wondering if I need to leave the lids off of. It got pretty warm today while and of course, I was working. The lids are still on my jugs and I'm hoping it didn't get too warm inside the containers. At what point did you remove your lids? I think I'm about about 6 weeks behind you in weather, maybe??? I'm thinking if I open?remove my lids I will get quite a bit more growth.
When I was in Maui last August I saw this absolutely beautiful ground cover with a very small orchid looking flower. I was so interested, I went to a nursery to find out its name. I was going to find it when I returned to Nevada. The individual at the nursery game the name but did not say anything else. Then about two days I was walking a different way to the ocean and there was a team of about 10 men tearing it out as best as they could but were not getting it all. I stopped and spoke with the leader. He stated it was just a nuisance and hated this plant. I do not remember the name because that got my attention.
OneWish, I was doing the same thing. Of course today it probably close to 80 degees while I was at work with my lids closed. In the next couple of days, it supposed to get down to the high 30s. LoL Still too early to remove the lids. I will just have to do the open/close shuffle. It's a small price to pay for all the new flowers I will have. LoL
OneWish, I was doing the same thing. Of course today it probably close to 80 degees while I was at work with my lids closed. In the next couple of days, it supposed to get down to the high 30s. LoL Still too early to remove the lids. I will just have to do the open/close shuffle. It's a small price to pay for all the new flowers I will have. LoL
And it's WAY TO EARLY to be giving up on your seeds. Jeanette, in zone 5a, I'd just be expecting things to sprout now. Yours is a cold zone, colder than mine. I still have about 8 jugs unsprouted out of only about 20 that I sowed. Am I worried about them? Heavens, no, it's only mid-April.
It was hard giving up but they were mostly Marigolds, Zinnias, and dud Cosmos. I thought if the seeds were viable they should have been up by now and well on their way.
Anita, two weeks ago I opened the lids when it was so hot and only closed them a couple times when our low's were in the 30's and 40's. Our highs are more in line now for this time of year in the 60's and 70's. I'll take a few pics of my transplants. Most have 2 or 3 sets of true leaves but others like Hollyhocks have more.
Want some fresh Catnip? I've never planted or sown any, but I think my friend who lived here before I did must have. It has seeded itself every where! I've grown it other places and never had it happen to this extent. Hmmm...the cats may be doing it, LOL...I have 5! So if you want plants or fresh or dried clippings let me know.
Gemini, what is the hardiness zone? I see you are zone 6. I wonder if it would do that here in zone 5?? That would be good. The plants don't come back huh? they reseed? I planted mine in a 3 1/2 inch pot. Should I cut them when they come up? I guess I am thinking they will multiply if I mow them like a lawn.??
I think its hardy to zone 3, so it should be fine there. They're perennial and reseed here. They get 2-3' tall, so mowing would do them in eventually. Dead heading may be a good idea though. Mine have had a growth spurt with these warm days, so there's enough vegetation to harvest some from the big clumps, but the seedlings are small now. It would be later this summer before I could harvest from them.
Am I wrong thinking Catnip and Catmint are related? I'd love to know the difference between these two plants. My hobo Siamese cat isn't attracted at all to a pot of Catmint I bought for her and she's never exhibited an "ah-ha" euphorbic reaction. Am I growing the wrong plant? And would Catnip be a better attractant?
Cover them if you want. I never did and they have frozen every week since I planted them. Several nights a week. Maybe that is why they are taking so long to sprout. I think 2 more are finally doing something today. It was up to 76 degrees. Like Hawaii to us. I opened that mini greenhouse and it was like a steambath in there. So I probably killed them with the heat. LOL
Mine are mostly still chia'ing in their jugs so I cover them when it gets low. I noticed my cosmos are slow wakers. Seems like we have 3-5 new ones popping up ever week, so are just leaving them alone. I figured anything that is frost-tender may take longer to germinate. Just my thoughts...I do have over 100 heirloom tomato seedling coming up, and I make sure to cover those at night when it gets low.
Well, Anita, you have a lot more sprouted than I do, but the one thing I did have sprout is a tough bugger. I have never covered them and it is growing like crazy. An ornamental grass, Large Quaking Grass. It looks so good. I have not even taken the tape off to take the top of the bottle off. It looks great. About 4 inches tall. That is all the cover they have had until I moved them into the mini greenhouse yesterday. And I did that thinking they might get more heat during the day.
LOL, which it did. I'll bet it was over a hundred in there today and the humidity was probably over that. Maybe I cooked them, but I put my dahlias in there today too. They are all sprouted so I want to get them growing and will pinch them.
Jnette, I would love to see pictures of your sprouts. I started dahluas inside. I'm surprised at how fast they all sprouted. I started some dalias earlier but only a few sprouted. I'm ready to pinch that one. I'm a little vervous baout snipping it. I think we only have 6 more weeks before zone 5 can plant outside. Here's a picture of my sprouts inside. I hope I didn't post this before.
Your sprouts look real good and healthy Anita. I started my dahlias inside too but this time I may have made a mistake. I only put them in 6 inch pots. I normally start them in the pots they are going to stay in. But, I don't know where they are going to end up. I got short ones. Maximum 24". To use for height in my conainers. I planted them last week and all but one are up. They are ones I bought at Wallys and also some I got from Jan the gourdbeader in Oregon. So, today I moved them out to the mini greenhouse. I may move them back in in a couple of days 'cause the nighttime temps are suppose to get back down to near freezing again.
That one plant that you have in the right hand corner with the big leaves looks like a shrimp plant. A white one. LOL, just because I have one that sucks. Yours looks better than mine. What is it?
Oh, I forgot. I started some dahlias 2 weeks ago from seed. Some I got from a dger. One is up. Got a sprout about the same size as the ones from tubers. How are the Marmelade Rudbeckias doing that I sent you? I noticed they are coming up in my WS. I think that is the 3rd one. I may have a 4th one up can't remember what it is.
The original 3 jugs that I sowed a couple of months ago using some really old sweet pea seeds did not germinate.
So, yesterday, I finally started my belated wintersowing, now spring sowing, since I had collected all these milk jugs during Jan and Feb with great intentions of wintersowing. One jug of foxglove (Anita - those are the ones that you sent me! - any idea what color?), one of godetia - year unknown, one pink forget-me-not, and one papaver that I got in the mail a couple of years ago. If any of those germinate, I would be thrilled. I will probably do some zinnia and baby's breath.
And since it is so late in the season, I threw some hollyhocks directly into the ground. Some larkspur that I direct-sowed a month ago has germinated. We had periods of warmth, followed by days of rain, so that combination was conducive to germination.
Has anyone tried to germinate any seeds of the black millet?
I will probably store the rest of my jugs - about 10 - for next winter with the resolve to start earlier.
Yes, I bought Black Millet off of Marketplace. I planted that and also some purple millet. They both are up. Not a lot, but then I didn't plant a lot at first. I was going to share some so I planted more later and don't think those are up yet. That was just a couple of days ago.
Why do you ask?
Oh, BTW, I always plant purple millet with a mauve petunia weaving up thru the spikes, leaves, of the millet. Really looks nice.
Jnette, that is a shrimp plant! I was sent some cuttings and that's one of the two that I have. I have never had those type of shrimp plant. I have had the blue shrimp plant. I fell in love with that one. I think its the cerinthe major??? It went wild once we put it in the ground. We would trim it back with the weed wacker. LoL Soils, I'm pretty sure those foxglove were pink. I planted some and they are beautiful!! Foxglove is one of my favorites.
Just heard on the local news that there's a frost warning in the Cincinnati area tonight. I'm not even sure if I have many tender sprouts out there, but I do have some tiny tomatoes. I guess I'll cover them, or stick them into the unheated garage overnight. As of yesterday I had 8 sprouted out of 12 cups. It's times like these that make me glad I'm a procrastinator and haven't finished sowing tender things yet.
We were supposed to finally get some rain yesterday but actually got very little. It's really getting dry for April. It probably wasn't enough rain to lower this awful pollen level. I dust my porch in the morning, and by afternoon everything is covered in green film again. My allergies are going nuts.
Here's a picture of my Gaillardia. It's getting tall inside the 2 liter. I didn't take the top half off today. It was only 44 degrees today. Should I crack the bottle? I'm afraid to leave the upper portion off because our weather has been iratic. Should I leave the the bottles as they are? I'm still getting more sprout so I'm guessing they are okay. I think I read that I'm supposed to transplant once the sprout have the second set of true leaves. Is there a rule of thumb? I think I also read you only transplant once your weather is consistantly 50 degrees?
Wow Anita that is cool. If it were me I would get them out of there and put them at least in 3 or 4 inch pots. Can't you do that and still leave it in a protected area?
My things are finally starting to sprout in the 4 tier greenhouse I put them in. But our temps are running in the high 60s to mid 70s during the day now and so far, got my fingers crossed, 40s at night. But boy it sure does heat up in that mini gh during the day when the sun hits it. That is what is making them sprout.
I don't have a protected area outside and not nearly enough pots to transplant my sprouts. I have a question for you. Why transplant to a pot? I thought part of the reason for WS was for the ease of starting from seeds and to minimize acclimating seedlings to outdoors and transplant shock??? Did I miss something?
Gailardias are quite hardy, so I'd set them directly out into the garden. Part of the whole concept of wintersowing is the elimination of the need to transplant into cells before going into the garden, regardless of zone- the plants germinate and develop according to the climate they're growing in. Sometimes I have plants that need to be planted before their beds are ready, in those cases I've potted them up from time to time. Wintersowing produces hardier seedlings that can tolerate what natures throws at them much easier than tender greenhouse grown plants.