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Winter Sowing: Perennial/Biennial Blooms from Winter Sowing 2009

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

April 8, 2010
6:53 AM

Post #7688844

I thought it might be fun to see what perennials and biennials are blooming in their second year after winter sowing. I'm seeing my first blooms on an Aquilegia canadensis that I winter sowed last year. Anybody else seeing blooms from plants that were winter sown in 2009?

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diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 8, 2010
8:42 AM

Post #7689180

I don't have any pictures to show...this is my first year but I have a questions. How much growth did you see in the greenery the first year from winter sown plants? Did they grow to the expected width and height the first year? I hope you don't mind if I lurk to look at the pictures.
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

April 8, 2010
11:01 AM

Post #7689564

diamond, They were mostly small the first year. I'd say about 1/2 the size of expected final width and height (this varied depending upon the plant). Some of my perrennials/biennials bloomed the first year (Echinacea "prairie splendor", Foxglove "camelot rose", Daisy "Alaska" and "crazy", Delphinium "Connecticut Yankee"). But, I'm expecting most of what I wintersowed last year to bloom this year. I can't wait!!!

tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

April 8, 2010
11:41 AM

Post #7689660

still too cold here for anything blooming that was sown last year.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2010
6:29 PM

Post #7698068

It's still too cold here, too. Even my established perennials 2 or 3 years old are just waking up from winter.

I have a question about echinacea. I have a few that are just too tall. They're nice enough but because they're so tall they have trouble standing up to our heavy rain and wind, and are often blown over. Does anyone pinch coneflowers? Will it make them shorter? Or just delay bloom?

Karen
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 28, 2010
12:22 PM

Post #7745657

Eat my heart out with that Aquilegia Canadensis, pgt! It's gorgeous!

I don't know why but I really slipped up and forgot to plant that columbine~~I wanted it for the hummingbirds. And also because I saw it planted in a historic garden with a coral bell that was red-flowered (something like H. firecracker, but I think it was native/natural)~~and it was a wonderful combination. So I sinned and ordered several A. canadensis plants from Prairie Moon nursery! Oh, well.

I don't have any pics of my 2008/2009 WSed plants, but I have a lot of them around in the garden~~I just spent the day thinning them out and rearranging. My digitalis looks great. Belles of Ireland, Canterbury bells, milkweeds, ironweed, echinaceas, rudbeckias, bowltonia, all look good too.

I love WSing!! So fun!

Let's see some more pics...?!

hanseycollie
Cynthia (N. Kansas C, MO
(Zone 5b)

April 28, 2010
9:31 PM

Post #7747284

Kqcrna, you should try dmailing Echinaceamaniac - his name is actually Clint - he is an expert on coneflowers. If anyone on this planet will know, he will know!
Cynthia
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

April 29, 2010
7:17 AM

Post #7747932

My Verbascum "Shades of Summer" (seeds purchased from "Botanical Interests") that I wintersowed last year are starting to bloom. Looks like they are going to be a nice mix of purple, rose, and white. Here's a link to the seeds http://www.botanicalinterests.com/store/search_results_detail.php?seedtype=F&seedid=194

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

April 30, 2010
5:42 AM

Post #7750625

I went out and cut some of my verbascum this morning, and put them in a vase with some tulips.

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diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 30, 2010
8:30 AM

Post #7751072

Absolutely georgous! Now I want purple tulips and purple verbascum. LOL
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

April 30, 2010
11:38 AM

Post #7751529

Thanks diamond! It makes me wish I had winter sown some more verbascum this year. They really make a nice cut flower, and I want MORE :)
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

April 30, 2010
2:18 PM

Post #7751930


Darn! I didn't wintersow verbascum either and yours are so cute! Lovely with the tulips, too!

I WSed them the first time I did it and had them for a few years but I guess they died out (or I pulled the seedlings thinking they were weeds.).

karen, I cut back some of my rangey echinaceas as Ms. Knapke advises for leggy perennials in her W-TPG book.
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 1, 2010
10:53 AM

Post #7754397

t., how, when do you cut back?

Karen
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2010
6:03 AM

Post #7756455


k., googled for some more experienced advice on echies and cutting back and found this advice from WFF:

"(Echinacea) Plants can be cut back by half in early summer, resulting in a later bloom time but more compact form."

I have to go into the basement to find my "Well-tended Perennial Garden" (Knapke) book today. It's about that time to start cutting back judiciously and dividing and separating and she is so good with all of that advice.

diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2010
11:55 AM

Post #7757313

Tabasco,
Do you cut your coneflowers back before winter? I was told that I should cut everything back before winter. This will be the first year I will have coneflowers. in my MG class they told us that everything should be cut back and cleaned up to prevent disease and to prevent pest from attacking plants. If I remember correctly, shrubs and bushes can be cut back 1/3 of the size of the bush and others can be cut back to 6 inches about ground. Cutting back is supposed to make the plant bushier.

You were talking about midseason trimming? I would love to know what you find out about cutting back during the growing season. I will have merlot, white and apricot coneflowers for the first time. I honestly would prefer more compact coneflowers over tall spindly. I will check my books to see what I can find out as well.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2010
1:54 PM

Post #7757568


diamond, Yes, I was talking about mid-season trimming to keep the plants bushy rather than leggy. BTW If you don't have The Well-tended Perennial Garden book, I'm sure as a master gardener you will find it worthwhile. You can get it for $5 from Amazon's Used Book division: http://www.amazon.com/Well-Tended-Perennial-Garden-Planting-Techniques/dp/0881924148

I don't cut back too many perennials before winter anymore. According to some of the latest research it seems perennials with hollow stems seem to survive better if they are not cut back, at least in my winter wet climate (more rain than snow). The theory is keeping the plant intact will keep the rain water from running down inside the stems and causing rot.

Since I stopped cutting back Buddlieas until new sprouts shoot up in March, I've had excellent return.

Also I don't cut back such plants as coneflowers, rudbeckias, verbena bonarienses, etc. because the birds love the seed pods. Especially those goldfinches.

blkraven2
Wells, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 2, 2010
6:21 PM

Post #7758383

Diamonds the thing to remember about growning perennials is .. the first year they sleep, the second year they creep and the third year they leap when it comes to their growth and bloom patterns.. so be patient which is hard I know...lol.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2010
7:40 PM

Post #7758652

I will have to remember the sleep, creep and leap. I will order one of the books that givrs step by step insttruction on ca3ing for you plants/perreniels.
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 3, 2010
5:03 AM

Post #7759327

My 2009 wintersown Geranium "Visions Violet" are starting to bloom. Seeds were purchased from Swallowtailgardenseeds.com

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 3, 2010
5:04 AM

Post #7759332

Another picture of them . . .

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 3, 2010
5:05 AM

Post #7759337

One more pic of my new geraniums. Here's the bed as a whole.

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tcs1366

tcs1366
Leesburg, FL
(Zone 9a)

May 3, 2010
5:15 AM

Post #7759370

[quote]
If I remember correctly, shrubs and bushes can be cut back 1/3 of the size of the bush and others can be cut back to 6 inches about ground. Cutting back is supposed to make the plant bushier.
[/quote]

I have two Spireas that are looking terrible... like half dead. If i trim them all the way back, would they 'spring to life' ?

I'm honestly getting ready to pull them but i currently do not have anything to put in their place.

They were originally planted to hide things... 1) the water meter, and 2) i believe the irrigation system pipes.
blkraven2
Wells, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 3, 2010
5:30 AM

Post #7759410

I moved to my home 3 yrs ago and the azaleas were horrible... over grown, weirdly shaped and not full at all.. I butchered and I mean butchered them back.. and in 3 yrs they are now beautiful in bloom.. they filled in and look great so yes you can do it but you have to live with the results for a few years before they get to where you want them again..
before pic

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blkraven2
Wells, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 3, 2010
5:32 AM

Post #7759418

this year pic
I now clip them back a bit after blooming to keep them the size height wise I want and to maintain the fullness

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 3, 2010
10:48 AM

Post #7760354

Another 2009 Winter Sown plant that is blooming for the first time. Lupine "The Governor"

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diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2010
12:22 PM

Post #7760666

Terese, yes I'm sure the rule of thumb is 1/3. But at the extension office we cut back two bushes back next to nothing. One had a disease (can't remember what) and the other was out of control. We cut it back 1/3 in the fall then trimmed back to "pretty" in this spring. We won't get blooms this year but we will have a healthy more attractive plant. I will post a picture tomorrow.

Beautiful pictures!!! PGT what is the pretty pink bush in the background?

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 3, 2010
12:57 PM

Post #7760739

diamond, thanks! The pink bush in the back of the geranium is an azalea.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2010
1:28 PM

Post #7760837

Tabaso, I ordered the book you recommened. Thanks for the suggestion.

Terese, I will check my MG book to see if I can find more info for you.

PGT, your azalea is beautiful. I had one and my kids beat it to death with a basketball. Now I have a rhondo that I am praying thrives in the spot I have it in. I think I read they do best in eat sun. I am thinking about moving mine. What kind of sun does your azalea get?
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 3, 2010
1:36 PM

Post #7760858

We have azaleas all over all property, and they mostly get dappled sun/shade.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2010
6:58 PM

Post #7761854

I would love to have azaleas/rhododendrons and blue hydrandeas instead of trees in my yard. LoL Unfortunately, azaleas don't live long in my area. Rhodos do a little better.

I found the info in my MG book for pruning Spirea. I have a publication from the Purdue Ext. Office. I can send to you if you want to have a copy. It says that if you need to immediately reduce the size of the Spirea, you can cut it down to ground level and new shoots will grow from the base. Let me know if you would like a copy. There's a lot of info on how, when and why to thin or prune.

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
1:52 AM

Post #7762403

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/ext/prunespring.html

diamond, Thanks for mentioning the Purdue extension info~~I googled and found their link (above) where they explain the two ways to rejuvenate a spring flowering shrub. I should get out there and do something with my forsythias.

pgt, love your perennial geranium. I haven't had loads of luck growing them from seed but did get some nice WSed ones last year. I think I bought my seeds from Specialty Perennials. Next time I'll try Swallowtail since yours are prettier.

diamond, I think you'll like the WTPG book. I love shaping my perennials and manipulating their growth patterns and timing to make the garden more 'artistic'. Like they say, gardening is 'art' only in four dimensions.
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
5:01 AM

Post #7762609

Tabasco, I can hardly wait to get the book. I think most of my books are about propagating. LOL I need a few reliable reference books that answer all of my questions about my plants/flowers.

Has anyone been able to put any compost down with all the rain?
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
5:39 AM

Post #7762672

I forgot : I HAVE the Well Tended Perennial Garden! Duh! Santa brought it.

Karen
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
6:59 AM

Post #7762879

k., that's what I thought! I think I bought it because you liked it so much!
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
7:31 AM

Post #7762974

LoL @ Karen you'll have to share some info from your book. What info is in the book that we may not know?
kqcrna
Cincinnati, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
7:04 PM

Post #7764958

I read bits and pieces after Christmas, then put it away on a shelf. Can't even find time these days to read my novels, and I love to read.

Karen
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
7:43 PM

Post #7765080

That's understandable. My book should be arriving any time.
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 5, 2010
12:45 PM

Post #7766867

Another bloom from 2009 Winter Sowing! This is Aquilegia "Coral Star" (seeds from Swallowtail Gardens http://www.swallowtailgardenseeds.com/perennials/columbine.html)

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 5, 2010
12:46 PM

Post #7766870

And here's Geranium "Vision Pink" from 2009 winter sowing.

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 5, 2010
12:47 PM

Post #7766877

And my Lupine "The Governor" from WS2009 is less in bud, and more in bloom than it was earlier this week. Just have to share another picture.

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 5, 2010
12:48 PM

Post #7766881

And, my Geranium "Vision Violet" has more blooms on it now.

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 5, 2010
12:49 PM

Post #7766887

Okay People, there has to be more of you with stuff blooming from your plants that were wintersown in 2009. Please share!
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 5, 2010
1:07 PM

Post #7766925

LoL beautiful flowers PGT I think I have the same columbine or the color is close.
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 5, 2010
1:09 PM

Post #7766932

diamond. I'm loving this one. It has nice long spurs.
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 7, 2010
10:26 AM

Post #7772417

Lupine "Gallery Pink", wintersowed Winter of 2009.

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diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 7, 2010
10:34 AM

Post #7772433

Very pretty! it seems that the Lupines and Blue/Red Bonnets are very popular
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 19, 2010
9:04 AM

Post #7807056

My winter sown (Feb 2009) poppies are now starting to bloom.
Here's Papaver orientale "Princess Victoria Louise"

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diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 19, 2010
11:25 AM

Post #7807565

PGT, you have beautiful flowers! i wasn't a big fan of the poppies until I saw the white oriental poppies...then I fell in love with them. LoL I WS them this year. They are still tiny so I'm sure I will not have blooms this year. I hope mine are as pretty as yours! How long is the blooming period?

Here's one of my favorites...pink double knockout rose.

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 19, 2010
8:02 PM

Post #7809161



I think 'diamond' asked what info was in the "The Well Tended Perennial Garden" book and I found this excerpt on Google Books that may be of interest:

http://books.google.com/books?id=hZmZ2SFrXpEC&dq=%22well-tended+perennial+garden%22&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=sqX0S8ajD4H38Qa995WQCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 19, 2010
9:16 PM

Post #7809438

Tabasco, I did get my book from Amazon. I went through it front to back. LoL I found some very useful information how to care for my perennials. It is a very good book!
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 20, 2010
4:59 PM

Post #7811847


Well, I'm glad you found it useful. (-:

The author makes some observations that are simple yet very clever that I wouldn't have figured out on my own...(like how to cut back just part of a plant to lengthen the bloom time). duh!
diamond9192002
(Anita) Fort Wayne, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 21, 2010
11:17 AM

Post #7814014

Yes, and cutting back to stagger the plants to different heights. I love the info being provided. It explains cutting back, deadheading, pruning, disease, pests and treatment. I need the bloom times and growing habits. LoL she provides excellent pictures for examples of how fast plants when the soil is prepared properly.
pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 22, 2010
5:49 AM

Post #7816229

Here are some more Princess Victoria Louise from wintersowing

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 22, 2010
5:49 AM

Post #7816230

another of the poppies

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 22, 2010
5:53 AM

Post #7816235

Winter sown Digitalis purpurea "Camelot Rose".

Anybody else seeing blooms from winter of 2009 winter sowing????

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 25, 2010
11:57 AM

Post #7826420

some winter sown red poppies

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 25, 2010
11:57 AM

Post #7826423

another pic of the same poppies

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pgt
Chalfont, PA
(Zone 6b)

May 25, 2010
11:59 AM

Post #7826424

and penstemon strictus, winter sown winter of 2009, and starting to bloom

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2010
12:27 PM

Post #7833679

Hi, pgt! Great thread!

I've finally took a few pics add to the thread~~

here are my pink digitalis, biennials that I can't do without. They wintersow beautifully and even reseed by themselvesl

In front of some (japanese or siberian) iris from Ensata gardens.

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2010
12:33 PM

Post #7833705

More digitalis. I have some WS hardy geraniums in that bed with them that aren't blooming in the pic.

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2010
12:35 PM

Post #7833711

A few things I still have to plant~~including my tomatoes.

It's getting late...

And mesclun ready to be picked for dinner.

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2010
12:36 PM

Post #7833715



A sweet little bellflower. I wish I had more.

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2010
12:38 PM

Post #7833720

The white stuff is maritime allysum which is fairly rare seed and seldom seen, but it makes a nice filler for bearded iris. Here it is hiding a pot of Lady in Red salvia (purchased).

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2010
12:41 PM

Post #7833729


And this is a poor pic, but I wanted to show this texas salvia that I wintersowed last year and it came back in zone 6a. Again it's a rare seed (can't think of the exact name) and I'm so surprised I could get it to grow. It's really prettier than the pic.

I wanted it for the hummingbirds.

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2010
12:44 PM

Post #7833735


And just for fun a few Zinnias that I WSed late in spring last year. It's the 'Hot Crayon Colors' mix from Renee's Seeds and I just sowed this seed mix again this week for this summer. I grow them for the butterflies.

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tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2010
12:51 PM

Post #7833760


And another pretty annual filler for the garden.

And I can't quite remember what it is called and I wish I did! Can anyone ID?

And that's all I have in bloom right now from WSing! More blooms to come~~hollyhocks, malva, hardy geraniums, liatris, milkweeds, ironweed, hardy ageratum, verbena bonarienses, cosmos, and so on...

Anybody else have some pics to share? Would love to see them! t

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grrrlgeek
Grayslake, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 27, 2010
11:01 PM

Post #7835349

that looks like orlaya but i don't think it blooms til summer.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

May 28, 2010
11:37 AM

Post #7836617

Ah, yes, it is Orlaya. Thank you.

I got the seeds from Value seed a couple of years ago. I love it as a filler in our May garden.

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