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tshaffer13
Thurmont, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 14, 2010
7:58 PM

Post #7706461

I've recently bought 2 'blue muffin' viburnums and now I need a compact viburnum to pollinate with it. I say compact because I don't have THAT much space. I was thinking the "Raspberry Tart" viburnum would be an excellent choice. Any opinions on that choice? Are there others worth considering?

themoonhowl

themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)

April 16, 2010
10:40 AM

Post #7710194

The only other compact V dentatums I am aware of are the Raspberry Tart and the Cardinal Candy. They both remain under 6 feet. Here is a bit of info on Cardinal Candy. It has red berries. You will need another V dentatum (Arrow wood viburnum) for pollination.

http://www.daytonnursery.com/encyclopedia/Trees_Shrubs/Viburnum.htm
tshaffer13
Thurmont, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 26, 2010
4:02 PM

Post #7739827

Excellent, but from what I've read the cardinal candy one is a dilatatum, not a dentatum.

http://www.provenwinners.com/plants/detail.cfm?photoID=7759

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

April 26, 2010
10:03 PM

Post #7740915

Whoops, moon - Viburnum dilatatum Cardinal Candy™ is red-fruited and NOT an Arrowwood, so won't be useful in pollinating Blue Muffin. I don't know that reference that you cite, but CC is not a "compact" plant either. It was simply selected for potential winter hardiness. It isn't even that good a fruiter, and pales in comparison to every other Linden Viburnum (certainly all the USNA selections by Dr. Egolf) that is available in commerce.

Back to Arrowwood Viburnum (Viburnum dentatum) pollinators...

Good pollinators for Blue Muffin (which in and of itself is no great shakes) that are compact in habit, and that I have growing here now at the Valley:

**Little Joe™ is a fine compact plant
**'Compactum' is somewhat nondescript, but it is less tall than other named clones
**Papoose™ is a selection out of Lake County Nursery OH; it is denser and shorter for me here at the Valley
**Raspberry Tart™ is also an LCN alumnus - I've not found it to be so small, but a good-looking plant

Of all these choices, Papoose™ may bloom too late to overlap in bloom time with Blue Muffin.

themoonhowl

themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)

April 27, 2010
6:04 AM

Post #7741454

I am so sorry, TSchaffer. That is what I get for not reading the entire description. Think I need to let Dayton Nursery know they have a typo in their info.

Thanks for the correction and the additional info Viburnum Valley, looks about the only thing I got right was red berries...grin

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

April 27, 2010
7:28 AM

Post #7741721

Now, you are down south where you don't necessarily get to see a lot of the northerly species - that's OK. We'll rely on your insights regarding the tender evergreen zone 8-10 types that we can only wish to have.

Additional info: there is a Viburnum dentatum Cardinal™ that was selected by Beaver Creek Nursery in northern IL. Maybe there was a labeling error that way? It is still an Arrowwood viburnum, with white flowers followed by blue fruit. It tends to have better red fall color than run-of-the-mill Arrowwoods.

themoonhowl

themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)

April 27, 2010
12:31 PM

Post #7742596

True, but I do love them. My great Aunt India had a number of them in Illlinois. The flowers made wonderful decorations for mudpies...grin

I agree that it is perhaps a labeling error at Dayton Nursery, but I will exhibit a bit more care...8-)
tshaffer13
Thurmont, MD
(Zone 7a)

April 27, 2010
8:14 PM

Post #7743884

Thanks for confirming and providing other options, ViburnumValley! Much appreciated! You certainly are very knowledgeable on the subject. Do you have a recommendation amongst those you suggested? Like I said, I just bought 2 blue muffins and I plan to put a pollinator between the two. (The viburnums will be in an "L" shape where the blue muffins are at the ends of the "L" and the pollinator would be in the corner, if that makes sense.)

Before I saw your response, I was thinking the Raspberry Tart although I've been having trouble finding a nursery online that sells it. I'll do some online research on the other viburnums. :-)

moon - no problem. I appreciate the response! I noticed on some websites that the CC was listed as a dentatum, but I found many more sites that labeled it as a dilatatum. That's partially why I posed my question to begin with. :-)

themoonhowl

themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)

April 28, 2010
5:50 AM

Post #7744627

Glad to know I wasn't the only one confused...grin. And yes, with a name like Viburnum Valley, you can be pretty safe in trusting him to know his Viburnums...and a bunch more to boot...GRIN I just need to remember, the web is not infallible...

The thing about DG is that even if you make a mistake, there is someone who will have the correct info, and many of them are gracious in their corrections...

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

April 28, 2010
6:32 AM

Post #7744752

Little Joe™ and Raspberry Tart™ would be my choices of what I suggested above. You may have difficulty finding those.

I would not have chosen BM as my foundational arrowwood either, but that's another story.

You might have to have a stand-in suitor this year so that you get cross-pollination for this flower/fruit season, while you prospect for a permanent plant. Parking a containerized viburnum in the neighborhood of your installed shrubs while their blooming will do the trick. Then make a gift of what you don't want to keep, or don't have room for.

Pre-pollinated at that - you'll be the hit of Father's Day/Fourth of July/International Viburnum Month...

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themoonhowl

themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)

April 28, 2010
6:59 AM

Post #7744818

Here are a few places that list those cultivars.

http://www.skinnergardenstore.com/shrubssweet.html

http://www.lawyernursery.com/productinfo.aspx?productSpecies=Viburnum dentatum 'Rastzam' Raspberry Tart(TM)&categoryid=4

http://www.willowaymarketing.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.plantDetail&plant_id=103168

http://www.soonerplantfarm.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.plantDetail/plant_id/656/index.htm
The next set is for Little Joe

http://www.beavercreeknursery.com/plantlist.cfm?sort=genus&genus=VIBURNUM&startrow=1

http://sandybottom.com/shrubs.html

http://www.thegrowingplace.com/plantlists/shrubs.htm
tshaffer13
Thurmont, MD
(Zone 7a)

May 2, 2010
6:41 PM

Post #7758454

Thanks for the links! Why wouldn't you have chosen BM as the foundational viburnum? I'm curious. :-)

Now, I mentioned that I was going to place the pollinator in the middle of the 2 BMs. Would you agree that is best, or should I put the 2 BMs together and place the pollinator at one of the two ends? (Remember, my area is "L" shaped and I originally planned to put the BMs on each end of the L and the pollinator in the corner.)

Since Little Joe™ is ***smaller*** than the BMs I was thinking that it might not be best to put him in the middle of the two BMs. Agree?

Thanks again!
Gardeningman
Kingman, KS

January 4, 2013
6:56 PM

Post #9375789

I know this is really, really late but another great website for viburnum information is http://www.classicviburnums.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/home.home/index.htm.
Gary Ladman at Classic Viburnums is pretty knowledgable. Send him an e-mail with your questions.

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

January 5, 2013
5:27 AM

Post #9375962

Let's hope tshaffer13 has already had three fantastic growing seasons with the selected Arrowwood Viburnums...

I absolutely agree and second the recommendation for Classic Viburnums. Gary is a fine fellow - I think he hadn't gotten "online" all the way back when this thread started.

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