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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2010
4:39 AM

Post #7759264

I hope this works
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1010033/#new

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2010
4:40 AM

Post #7759266

Somehow I think it bombed.
Hope everyone can find the new thread
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 3, 2010
4:46 AM

Post #7759275

Your link worked.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2010
4:51 AM

Post #7759291

OMG thats a lot of responsability.Hope I remember How i did it.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 3, 2010
5:06 AM

Post #7759339

I love this 'Visions' astilbe. The plant tag just said 'Visions' and not a color. Guess I lucked out.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2010
5:27 AM

Post #7759405

Nice with the hydrangea
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 3, 2010
5:41 AM

Post #7759436

Thanks. I'm going to delete all the deer food in that area (daylilies) and replace with hosta - just a different kind of deer food.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 3, 2010
6:44 AM

Post #7759616

I call my Hostas in the lower garden the all-you-can-eat-salad-bar for the deer. I don't use any deer repellent since that area is so big. To replenish the repellent every time is beyond my patience.
pirl - Nice grouping. Lots of color there. 'Visions' was on my want list but I couldn't decide what color to go for.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 3, 2010
6:54 AM

Post #7759649

Many of us have neither the patience or the time to constantly spray to repel the deer.

Thanks. It was the one and only Visions they had so I bought it. When I cut back the flower stems from last year I counted 19 of them. Not bad for a 4 year old plant. I just might split it up if I can get to it shortly.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2010
7:11 AM

Post #7759702

Pirl suggested Hakone grass and its just the image I had in mind, for the edge of the Giant hosta garden

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 3, 2010
7:26 AM

Post #7759748

Glad it worked out so well. It does look lovely.
Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

May 3, 2010
12:15 PM

Post #7760636

Pirl, that astilbe is gorgeous. Rich, raspberry pink is my favorite flower color for anything. I think I also have a "Visions" astilbe, bought when I first started gardening. It's a paler lilac that yours. I need to get rid of it or move it where it will be treated better (watered). Anything in the very back tends to not get watered well. So needless to say, it doesn't bloom well and barely survives.

I bought something today I really, really don't have room for- Dicentra 'King of Hearts'. Again, the flower color got me. I was thinking I might keep it in a pot or use it to replace some non performing Heuchera ("Hollywood")
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 3, 2010
12:43 PM

Post #7760712

Violet is probably my favorite color in the garden along with that ethereal blue, like Royal Aspirations delphinium.

Astilbe can tolerate a lot if they have constant moisture. Why not try the water crystals?
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 3, 2010
5:03 PM

Post #7761450

ge - I love my "Hak" grasses. I even have some in a pot and they overwinter in there just fine. And they're easy to divide. I'm thinking about 'Beni Kaza' but haven't bitten the bullet yet.
Noreaster - I didn't think I'd like my 'Braveheart' (am I remembering that one correctly?) because of the yellow foliage with the pink hearts but ended up liking it. The foliage did it for me.
Weerobin
Saint Louis, MO
(Zone 6a)

May 3, 2010
5:19 PM

Post #7761508

I have found hakonechloa m. All Gold to be the most reliable performer.
It clumps up quickly and is really a gold accent.
I've been disappointed by the new red-tinged cultivars, such as BeniKaze and Nicholas.
I have found All Gold far more vigorous than the more famous Areola.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
2:01 AM

Post #7762410

Thats great news
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 4, 2010
6:37 AM

Post #7762803

Have had 'Areola' for several years now so that's the one I've been dividing. 'All Gold' has only been in my garden for two years and it's a bit slower but it's also in a different light situation.
What's the downside on the 'BeniKaze'?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
6:43 AM

Post #7762824

I am looking to choose between the 2

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 4, 2010
8:02 AM

Post #7763062

I prefer the variegated one, ge. It holds the interest of the eye more - just my opinion.

Here's the growth rate on the Hakonechloa Aurea for me:

Left: 7/13/07 when I planted it.
Right top: 9/7/07
Right bottom: 9/29/09 (after I divided it!)

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Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

May 4, 2010
8:57 AM

Post #7763191

I like both varieties, and the albo striata variety, which is also a fast grower...faster than Aurea The most vigorous for me is the all green one, which is too vigorous, which is why I'm getting rid of it this year. I'm not real crazy about the ones with pink/red in them because they look kind of busy to me.


Pirl, I really like your plant marker there...Did you hand letter that with a marker or something? I don't usually like markers, but that one is very unobtrusive.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 4, 2010
9:57 AM

Post #7763310

Thanks. I do the lettering myself - Calligraphy 101 in Adult Ed. many years ago.

I have a green and white grass - Carex Siderosticha, very well behaved and works well with Polygonatum and friends. I'll have to take a photo of the area.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 4, 2010
11:25 AM

Post #7763521

I had that Carex s. also but had to move it elsewhere. It is pretty vigorous and I have a tendency to plant things rather closely. Sounds like the pairing with Polygonatum would be great. I moved mine to a rather rough place in the lower garden so I'm curious to see how it holds up.
I was thinking about the all green "hak" grass but I'm too much of a sucker for the yellows. My 'All Gold' doesn't seem to have that uniform arching habit like the others - maybe it's too young yet.
Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

May 4, 2010
11:54 AM

Post #7763592

I have Carex Bowle's Golden, which is the same color as the gold Hakone...I really like it, but it's been a super slow grower for me (which in this case is fine, because I just crammed it in there). The all green Hakone is more upright than the other varieties, and besides being overly vigorous, I think it's kind of boring (maybe wouldn't be, with the right companion). But man is it tough- I actually dug one up a few years ago, and left the whole rootball sitting out, totally uncovered, the whole winter. It lived!!

Here's the Carex I have...I'll see if I can find a picture of it in my garden. It's four years old and just a little spritz of grass still.:

http://www.finegardening.com/plantguide/carex-elata-aurea-bowles-golden-sedge.aspx
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 4, 2010
12:28 PM

Post #7763684

It's certainly a nice bright green.

I'm more of a fan of the low mounding grasses than the upright ones. Funny how we can sometimes forget a plant is out of the ground for an entire winter and yet it thrives. I've done it often enough with hostas and daylilies.

Cindy - my Siderosticha is at the base of a 50 year old spruce and how it even survives, without any extra watering, just amazes me. Maybe it would be more of a spreader if it had what it wanted...but it doesn't (and won't).
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 4, 2010
4:25 PM

Post #7764399

I have Bowle's as well as a few others. Show me a yellow grass and I'll buy it.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 4, 2010
7:18 PM

Post #7765007

I suffered a severe guilt trip after my post about plants out of the ground and FINALLY did get to plant two daylilies that have been waiting for about two years (maybe three) and I even broke down and gave them some food.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2010
9:53 PM

Post #7765371

I decided to buy both Gold and Aurelia? The gold doesnt show much in this pic.Its in the rear where its shadier.

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CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 5, 2010
7:46 AM

Post #7766082

ge - Congrats on the acquisitions. I think you'll like them. They make a nice statement without flowers.
pirl - Know what you mean about plants out of the ground. I did some renovation in the lower garden last year, had pulled some ferns and plain green Hosta out. They had sat out so long, I thought they were toast so threw them in the compost pile. This year I have both sprouting in my compost pile.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 5, 2010
8:05 AM

Post #7766120

Compost piles can produce such healthy plants! I've had dahlias, sedum, creeping Jenny and a daylily (I hope it's not a ditch daylily) come up in the piles. It's kind of decorative, don't you think?

Found a fern very late last night and the only place I could plant it (where I had enough light to see what I was doing) was behind a big old spruce. Since it's so hidden it will probably end up being gorgeous.

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CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 5, 2010
12:24 PM

Post #7766805

Who knew propagating could be so easy? I also get Virginia bluebells sprouting out the sides of the compost pile. They seed themselves here with abandon. How can I pull out a blooming plant?
Ditch lilies - does anything ever kill them (aside from chemicals and even then I'm doubtful).
I think I had considered the all-green Hakone as a bamboo substitute (kinda).

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 5, 2010
1:14 PM

Post #7766944

I only have to plant the divided ginger in front of the Hakone.

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CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 6, 2010
7:07 AM

Post #7769027

Ginger? Tell me more.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 6, 2010
9:56 AM

Post #7769435

I have been trying to replicate this combination. I have a big clump of ginger growing in the middle of three columbines.I can divide it and plant in front of my Hakone and Heucheras.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 6, 2010
9:58 AM

Post #7769443

This is how far I got.Ginger will go at the border.

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dahlianut
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

May 6, 2010
11:24 AM

Post #7769663

Hi all catching up from last thread. ge1836 your combo with the ginger is to die for! Are those shiny leafed plants in the border violets? Also all I was THRILLED to find an inexpensive three-in-a-bag of Amethyst astilbe at the hardward store. I killed mine cuz I moved it too many years in a row methinks.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 6, 2010
12:11 PM

Post #7769770

Hi Dnut.
No violets In the original pix which I borrowed from Google, there are ginger plants at the border.
In my version (second pix) I have subd. Heucheras for fern and will plant Ginger.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 7, 2010
7:42 AM

Post #7771890

Is that Canadian ginger? Mine are cavorting all over my lower garden and they're difficult to edit out. The color combo in that photo is beautiful. Wish I were that imaginative.
Weerobin
Saint Louis, MO
(Zone 6a)

May 8, 2010
8:43 AM

Post #7775081

GE, that shiny ginger looks like european ginger, not canadian (asarum europeum).
Are you having success with it?
I have been afraid to try it, because I heard it doesn't enjoy heat / humidity,
but it may like your area. I'm jealous. I love the shiny leaves!

Pirl, you must have the knack for Aureola hakone grass.
I have pitiful plantings that are 10yr old which just never seem to fill in.
I would be thrilled to have to divide one...
Actually, I presume the problem is my siting - I insist on planting them in an area where they would look great, but not where they are particularly happy.
I guess I'll have to give up on my mental image of how PERFECT they would look where they are now, and move them to a site more to their liking.
That always seems to be the case - plants don't often cooperate with my (fabulous) design plans...
Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

May 8, 2010
10:43 AM

Post #7775352

I don't see the "all gold" hakone grass very often, but found some the other day- cheap- so I picked it up. Think I will move some of "Aurea" into containers, because it is so pretty hanging over the sides. Is it my imagination, or is the "all gold" less arching...more like little tufting mounds?
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 8, 2010
10:47 AM

Post #7775359

Noreaster - somewhere on DG someone mentioned the one grows upwards while the Hakonechloa Aurea spills over edges. That's the charming part of it to me as well.

So far, Weerobin, I've taken divisions from the mother plant twice and they're all doing fine. Like you, I have visions of what I want them to cascade over and so far, so good. Other plants just won't cooperate.
Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

May 8, 2010
12:40 PM

Post #7775546

The Albo Striata Hakone is very arching as well. I have it on a little slope and it just cascades down it. This pic is from last year and makes me realize that I should probably divide it and thin it out this year...it's definitely vigorous.

Also, saw buds on Bridal Veil astilbe today...now I have to figure out how to fight off whatever it is that is destroying those. The foliage is huge this year...everything is just big this year.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 8, 2010
1:11 PM

Post #7775600

That is a beautiful grass
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 8, 2010
1:29 PM

Post #7775627

Love that look. It reminds me of a waterfall without the maintenance issue.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 9, 2010
8:04 AM

Post #7777358

In my garden, 'All Gold' is more tufted than the other. I do like the cascading effect of the all-green. Hmmm - where can I plant one?
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 10, 2010
12:33 PM

Post #7780888

Managed to take photo of my "hak" grass in a pot with Hosta. This is the third year for both of them in the pot and, since it's still early, they'll get bigger as it warms up some more. Wish I would have thought of a different colored pot to put them in though.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 10, 2010
12:44 PM

Post #7780910

Nice cmbo.Hosta looks like Blue Umbrellas.
Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

May 10, 2010
2:17 PM

Post #7781180

That looks wonderful, Cindy! What do you do with the pot for the winter?
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

May 11, 2010
3:29 PM

Post #7784572

The Hosta is 'Krossa Regal' and I stole the idea from a tv show a few years back. In the winter, I put it in a tall cold frame on the south side of my house after cutting back all of the foliage. It doesn't necessarily keep it from freezing but it does offer a little protection.
Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

June 3, 2010
5:11 PM

Post #7856428

I've got to look into those cold frames. I've got so many things in pots due to lack of bed real estate, and I'd like to ensure they make it thru the winter.

Well someone on this board id' d the horrible bug that destroys my Bridal Veil astilbe, year after year. It's something called a tarnished plant bug. I treated it with Neem oil spray after I starting seeing them again, and then I also used a systemic drench out of desperation, when the Neem didn't appear to be working. Thing is, I'm not sure the systemic insecticide works for that partticular bug, since I didn't get the id til after I used it. I've been going out and carefully inspecting the buds and I don't see any more damage, but I have picked a few adults off (evidently the nymphs cause the bigger problem). And boy are the nymphs hard to spot, because they are the same color as the emerging buds. Anyway, if I can keep them from destroying most of the buds again, my Bridal Veil should be gorgeous this year. It's so much bigger with so many more buds...I guess it was all that rain last year that did it.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 4, 2010
1:42 AM

Post #7857467

Good grief not another pest. We have the Red Lily Beetle.I wouldnt know what to do with an astilbe pest.
Do they just destroy Astilbes ?
Thanks for the info. I did not find Neem Oil usefull in combating RLB's.
Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

June 4, 2010
4:59 AM

Post #7857678

It sucks on the leaves and the buds, leaving little dead, black areas. Mostly the buds, which is what I care about the most because if they suck a lot, the buds are destroyed. I think I've lost a few out there but most will still open. I seem to be the only one with this pest on astilbe, because googling tells me astilbe is pest free. I get these bugs year after year.

Do RLBs only like Lilies? I don't have any of those, so that would explain why I don't see those. We have Japanese Beetles, of course, but I'm pretty lucky there that I don't have much to interest them.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 4, 2010
5:02 AM

Post #7857682

Their appetite started out with just lillium but they have been reported to be adding DL's as well.
Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

June 4, 2010
5:37 AM

Post #7857761

Nooooooooooo! Not daylilies! Ugh, thrips are bad enough, and I get those every year, too. I don't understand how to stop thrips when I've never once seen one. Maybe I should try some of that systemic stuff on the DL's that get hit hardest every year.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

June 4, 2010
5:38 AM

Post #7857762

Well, that would leave me with a few thousand extra square feet of garden!!!

As far as I know the RLB's have not crossed the Long Island Sound so I'm safe...for now.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

June 4, 2010
5:39 AM

Post #7857766

Noreaster - I was told that we, on Long Island, should spray every April and June, but I can't recall what the hybridizer, Trimmer, told me to use.
Noreaster
Maine
United States
(Zone 5b)

June 4, 2010
5:42 AM

Post #7857777

I hesitate to spray because every now and then my dog will go charging thru the daylily clumps. I'll probably just end up living with the thrip damage as I always do. Many of the blooms may be less than perfect, but at least they still do bloom, unlike my astilbe.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 4, 2010
6:25 AM

Post #7857926

The RLB came from CT.
Someone brought a EasterLily home and planted it in their garden,the rest is history.
I heard somwhere there is progress on a preditor bug that likes the larve. Hope its a ladybug type and not another problem.

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