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To continue edewitt's original post that had 111 replies (wow)...was taking too long for my pc to load the page!
Spent all day weeding, tying up and cutting several layers of lower leaves...and I still only got 2/3 of the way done! I hate how skinny cutting off the lower leaves makes them look, but it's so much more helpful having them gone lol. I had to take several breaks today as it was very close to 90 degrees all day long. Which is why I wanted to cut all those leaves-if it's this bloody hot already, they're going to need as much air flow as possible. I'm also going to need to add about 4" more mulch, but didn't make it that far. Anyone ever use the flat, green/clearish tape for tying off? Just curious if anyone likes it, as I really don't. Got it on clearance and thought I'd try it. And I see several plants with baby buds on them, yay!
We're here wearing our winter clothes and you're sweating. Seems like we'd each be happy sharing some of our weather.
I use telephone cord (from a garage sale) to tie up the dahlias and it can't be seen when they have their leaves. It's also used over and over again. Not bad - $2.00 for a huge reel of it and it's so easy to cut with a scissors and very strong.
Yes! I would LOOOVE a bit of a weather blend! Can we swap 15 degrees?
Telephone cord, huh? Cool. I'm surprised you can cut it with scissors, but I've never tried. Just assumed there was some tough copper wiring inside. Even cooler is the price! I usually use regular twine and even that's $3-ish for approx. 250'.
That green tape is too cumbersome. I'm usually in some weird position, trying to tie it off but, because it's flat, it's hard to get a knot into it...
And you got roses in there too? Dang! How big is your garden? 450 dahlias! Are you a grower/seller? LOL!
Too many questions!
I ordered some newer varieties of calla lilies too and planted them corms/bulbs over a month ago in the garden and in pots. I thought they got rotten. I didn't realize it takes them forever to sprout. They just started sprouting out of the ground.
Looks good, Carrie. I've brought up a few flats and pots to harden off in the garage and will begin planting today. I didn't like the wider ~5/8" green tape, but the narrower version works well for me. I have 6000 ft of white bailing twine to use up somehow LOL- hated the 'stringing it in rows method,' kept forgetting it was there and trying to walk through it. Perhaps someone could knit a giant weatherproof shawl for the Statue of Liberty?
fdr, your greenhouse is a marvelous sight. A gardener's playhouse!
Uhhhmmm... I second that greenhouse envy! Awesome!
Annie-I wondered how you made out in your warmer, drier weather this past weekend. Yay for you getting to plant today! From what I've seen of what you have started, your plants are already off to a plump, healthy start. I think I expressed my sprout envy a few weeks ago. I'm too bumble-fingered for anything smaller than twine, I think. Maybe you could donate your twine here...
Wait a minute! The World's Largest Ball of Twine is in MN! I have inlaws in that vicinity and I daresay the twine ball is the only attraction in that little town. They sent us a DVD of it LOL (Undoubtedly not carried by Netflix, and no, we haven't watched it yet.) Looks like there's some debate over the location of the biggest ball of cast-off string and such. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2128
It is glorious here now that it's over 40 and not raining- 75 to be exact and not a cloud in the sky- FINALLY!!! Weekend should be nice too, so progress will be made. Mostly I'm digging holes to let them warm and aerate, hauling and working in compost and setting out stakes. So far, there are... drumroll...12 in the ground! Quite a ways to go. Every year I swear I'm going to be more organized with colors/heights, but every year the 3-footers leap ahead of the 5-footers in pots/trays and my plans are then cast aside. Or there's room left in a flat of yellows so in go some purples... they'll get sorted out some year. Maybe. Back to work I go..
LOL---Wow, what some people do as a hobby. (Not you-the twine roller) And another wow that you have a DVD about it!
12 sounds like progress to me! Oooo-a lone purple in a sea of yellow sounds beautiful.
Gemini-sage...cutting the lower leaves allows more air flow through them. Important if you're in humid climates, or if you've squeezed a lot into a smaller space, or there's not great air flow in the area. All three of those describe me, so you bet I hacked and hacked those leaves to pieces.
Ok, good to know I'm not messing up there, LOL. I typically have them dotted throughout the gardens rather than all together, although I do need to be watchful about crowding them with other plants. We do have humid summers, but I live on a hill and get a pretty constant breeze, when its not downright windy.
I was so close to having 100 regular dahlias in the pictures and that's not including the dahliettas in the bottom right hand side. The first three rows are the dahlias that have sprouts poking through the soil so far.
Sadly, yes. I've got more on the way as well. The week before last I ordered Alfred Grille, Elma Elizabeth, Hillcrest Kismet, Lady Darlene, Master David, and Spartacus. I swear I'd better have an over abundance of tubers by the end of the season. Digging, dividing, and storing these is going to be a pain come Oct./Nov.
I hope to be planting tubers by next week. Some are over a foot tall down in the basement and under lights. Others have just begun to sprout and a few are sound asleep but not snoring, most thankfully.
I love the whale vase and the flower adorning it. A treasured thing for many future flowers.
Planting is now well underway and I know I should be cramming them in closer together than I am. Intermittent showers are so annoying: should one stop or just stay put and suffer through them? More time was wasted today going in and out of the house or garage than actually digging and planting. There are plants ranging from invisible (tubers underground) to foot tall and bustin' forth. One has already been broken off at the tuber with a mysterious big dog print near the broken stalk. I hate it when that happens.
ED: may I recommend extra strength Tylenol as a pre-medication for all the digging you will be doing? You're going to have a beautiful yard!
I fell in love with Dahlias last September when I went to Buchart gardens, unfortunately it's too hot here for a lot of them, but a member sent me a few bulbs who thought they would do well here, and have the first bloom this morning.
What in the cuss is that? It seems to have formed around one eye. There are a couple of other eyes on it. Should I chop off the infected area and pot it? I'd hate to lose Drummer Boy before he gets a chance to bloom. :-(
One has already been broken off at the tuber with a mysterious big dog print near the broken stalk. I hate it when that happens.
Ohhh...side hurts from laughing. Sorry, Annie. It's not funny that this happened, but just the way you describe it.
Ed-what the heck is that? It looks a little familiar but can't remember...it's not gall is it?
Rjudd-Yay! You win the first to bloom award! It looks purdy-do you know what the name is?
Pirl, Annie, Ed, Dnut, et al. who are starting the 1'+ plants...do you have down time where they're all wilty and sad when transplanting them and they are well established? Or is it not a problem if you harden off properly?
Best bet is generally to plant them when we're due for a few days of overcast weather or even rain. If the sun insists on shining they can be covered with damp newspapers, taken off at sundown or thereabouts.
That's ugly looking stuff, Ed. Can you use a knife to cut the uglies off and then use a fungal powder or Lysol and allow the tuber to dry before planting? We'll see what Annie says.
Dear Queeq you have hot and I have cold but methinks the shock is the same. They will be shocky if you transplant into different conditions; tis a given. There can be a 'wilty' time if you don't expose them to your outside temps before you plant out. Sometime even when I do that though they do droop. I think it's all about " O this is different. Maybe I should go dormant and pout about it" It's think it's just a bad hair day. Also I find that singing helps
Yeah, funny Pirl. I don't get upset about it, I just took the two broken off stalks, whipped off lower leaves and stuck them in the hole to see if they will root or not.
Eric, that ugliness is either eye fasciation or crown gall, but the ADS site photo of crown gall looks a lot less creepy. It looks like you could cut off that whole stem with the affected part and let the other eye showing do the growing. Might be a good candidate for a pot. I had this one below one year and it grew fine in a pot. I didn't save the tubers from it though that year. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/poochella/Dahlia Lessons/eyefasciation407Small.jpg
Maybe use google to check out those two things and what to do about them, or contact the seller for their input?
I forgot the wilty transplant question-mine get just 3 days hardening off out of the greenhouse, then put a couple handfuls of the starter mix they're used to (those in flats) into the hole, cover the roots with another handful of same, cover shallowly with garden soil, and water the root area lightly to modestly with B1 transplant solution depending on the root mass formed. The plants are standing upright and unstressed except the one with the huge dog print by it. Our temps have cooled off 10 degrees this week, so that's helping too.
Do you have the dahlias really well mulched by now? I think they'd appreciate it in your heat.
Your right, have been meaning to mulch. I planted mine in the back garden in part sun, which seemed to make them happy. I'm astonished how quickly these guys grow. I planted the bulbs directly 2 months ago, and they are averaging 2 feet at the moment, except 1, which I think might be a smaller type. I hope they multiply!
dahlianut wrote: It's think it's just a bad hair day. Also I find that singing helps
Owww...laughed so hard, coffee came out of my nose...NOT okay. lol.
Thanks for all the ideas. I was mostly curious about transplanting. I've never had to do it when they're that big.
Today is the day I re-mulch. I did once already, but I can tell I need more. It's getting so hot mid-day now, they look pathetic for a few hours. Found a plant with spider mites on one plant the other day. Just a few, so I didn't rip it up-hope I don't regret that. I just Bayer 3-in-1'd the heck out of it and all the others, too. I had been doing Malathion preventatively, but either it wasn't enough or I missed that plant, or something. I swear, I am going to go Rambo on those plants if I get the infestation I did last year. I'm out there every day, looking at the undersides of leaves, looking in nooks and crannys, etc. Grrr...evil, evil I hate them with all my might.
On the plus side, I have blooms beginning to open, but I want them to just hurry up!
..."How long must I wait?" Lol-how do folks insert those muscial note characters on here?
On an off-topic, but related to 'progress', I guess-was there conversation on how long it takes a seed to form a tuber? I think I remember talk/debate about it but can't find it now. I think it was in one of the 100+ reply threads lol.
Anyhoo, I had to pull up some Unwins (Annie gets paw prints next to broken stalks. I get browning plants with dog pee.) and found the babiest beginnings of tubers. Planted in March, so 2 months. Amazing little buggers.
oops sorry about the coffee Queeq. I have EXCITING new progress to report. I found a luvly Mystery day tuber with a sproutling at a garden centre which is very exciting cuz it was the first dahlia I ever grew here and I lost it in the October flash freeze last year and was very sad. Also I bought a luvly new border dahlia Grande Papagaya. Grow_Jo got it too.
Glowing and stunning! Glad you found a replacement for Mystery Day.
Carrie did you toss the Unwin's baby tubers? It would be fun to see what happened if you broke off the dog, um, fertilizer stained foliage and replanted the tubers. Might not be mature enough to produce more growth, I don't know. I'm often watching the dogs approach a garden bed while yelling, don't pee on my (insert plant name here!) Followed by "ohhh :( my (insert plant name here.)"
Music notes hit- alt 13, alt 14 will sometimes produce two connected notes, or kick you off the page on my computer. ♪♪
Hmmm...tried it-nuthin. ♪ ooo it worked. I used the top number, not the side numbers. ♪♪♪♪♪♫♫♫weee♫♫♦☼♠•♣☻♥♠♦•○♪♪♪♪♪☺♫♫♫♫♫ Only when you let go do you get the symbol. Wee-I love fun new stuff. I'm sure I'll forget how soon enough.
Yes, I replanted the peepee plant only because it only had a few lower leaves that were browned with, err, "love". So, it might be okay. Honestly, I have so many Unwins, I didn't so much care if I lost some, but the tubers were just too darn cute to lose.
Dnut-yay for your cutie-pie Papagaya AND finding Mystery Day. It was one of my very first ones, also. I lost it and miss it.
Not that I haven't advertised enough for a bunch of Dahlia suppliers around here but right now Swan Island has a deal going if you're wanting to pick up some last minute tubers 30% off of your order (not including shipping) if you use the coupon code "Hurry30".
It was very difficult for me to not order anything. I really wanted to get Iceberg and Junkyard Dog (I have this tuber but it appears to have no produced an eye after a few months).
Edewitt - I got Junkyard Dog from Swan too. Planted it directly in the ground around April 15th. It is just now sprouting. I thought it was a goner too. Maybe it needs the warmth on the soil to sprout.
I got mine from a seller on ebay, Junkyard Dog and White Perfection are the two that won't develop eyes but all the other ones did. I think I may contact her soon just to give her a heads up, then we'll wait awhile longer to see if I just got some super sleepy tubers.
I was going to spread the word on the S.I. sale too- just finished ordering for what are reasonable prices with the 30% discount. Some white, some beautiful bluey-lavs I'm after, couple plums, a couple oranges and a bright pink.
This year I've only had one eyeless tuber from a vendor and that is being graciously replaced. Now if it would warm up about 30 degrees...
Yay-I just saw this in my email as well. I'm off to get some purpley-plums also. Oh, did I mention, we're chopping off the extra bedroom in the house and demo-ing to make room for all these I keep ordering and don't have room for? DH is gonna make me live in the shed soon.
"...that better not be another box of %&*@# tubers I saw on the porch today..."
Well I got the last of my tuber orders earlier this week and sorted out the last of my tubers for friends I haven't had a chance to do anything with these guys. I'd like to plant them in my yard but after it being in the 80's last weekend it's dropped back down to the 50-60's this week and was pretty rainy a few days. Do you think my tubers will be fine semi-exposed like this until I can commit to putting them in the ground? I've got a few I got from Pleasant Valley Glads & Dahlias and a few from Poochella and I'm looking forward to all of them blooming.
In the picture starting from the front I have
No advice here, as I don't know much about them in cool weather. Just wanted to say nice progress-they look nice and healthy. What kind of container is that-I likey. Narrow and long, perfect for tuber starting.
I keep heaping potting mix on top of the sprouted tubers to encourage root development. You've got them nicely spaced there, so you should be able to buy some time without their roots getting all scrambled up which happens if left too crowded or too long in flats. I'd say they look good, but you could add some soil to cover the bodies a bit.
I probably should spread them out a little more then. It's only a 36" windowsill planter, my camera likes to make things look HUGE if I angle the camera right. I was hoping for more heat this weekend but the weather is failing me. I have all the pots with tubers that haven't sprouted through the soil in the garage with a space heater keeping the garage a little over 70 degrees all the other ones are outside freezing their tuber butts off in a nice covered spot on my porch. Looks like more rain today.
I think when I started gardening last year it may have been the perfect time ever for starting to grow dahlias. I bought the dahlias around the beginning of May. I then dug up a chunk of my yard and planted them and then it was about 70-80 degrees all May with no rain and as soon as they sprouted and were nice and tall enough it started raining. I lucked out big time last year and I didn't even realize it until this year.
Well here are some pictures of my pretties for 2010. I just got all of these bulbs this year and I'm sooo very happy with them. These are from Brent and Becky and they are starting to bud and bloom already being the first ones I bought.
Very nice, Roly. You're gonna have to do me a favor and every once and awhile just sniff the air around those and see if they have a distinctive scent. I swear they do and I'm pretty sure some members of the forum think I'm crazy.
Nice collection Roly. You Floridians are just making me insanely jealous of zone. I want global warming and I want it now.
Edewitt, your weather makes me feel a tad better :) Glad it was a brief snow and not long lasting. No one thinks you're crazy regarding the possible scent of Arabian Night. Dahlia foliage has a very certain scent, that's for sure.
Oooh, Carrie- there she is Mingus Toni! Mine is about a 1/2" stub shivering in the greenhouse. Can't believe you have bloom photos already, you guys- what an incredibly long photo season we'll all have here. Hurray :)
Annie-If it makes you feel better, around the time you are in your peak season, I will be stalled out. Just gets too hot for them to thrive. It all evens out.
Roly-yay, fellow Zone 10'er! Can I be nosey and ask if you're keeping all those pretty and healthy plants in their pots or moving them to the ground? What kind of sun (hours/time of day) are you dealing with?
I'm keeping in the pots because if we move from this house I want to be able to take them with me. They get sun from about 10 am until sunset. I do water them early in the morning and if too hot later in the afternoon around 5 or so. I use a 17-17-17 time release fertlizer and also application of bone and blood meal every 3 weeks or so. Any more questions or suggestions just ask.
I actually did them in the ground with less sun last year and they died for me. I had about 20 rhizomes and only 2 made it but didn't bloom so in my experience a pot and higher light seems to be working great for me. The leaves do get droppy but there's nothing that a good misting can't fix as long as I do it from 4 pm onwards they perk right back up. As you can see the results have been great so far so I'm sticking to the pots.
I had an issue with pots last year, so put 99% in the ground this year. I so wish I could mist them everyday-only 2 times per week, as if that somehow compensates lol. Funny how different things work for everyone. Whatever works and don't mess with a good thing, right?
Dnut, I sooo wish I could send you 10 - 15 degrees of sunshine. It's only 11:30 and I've had to take a break from the heat already.
I'd like 30 degrees and a huge umbrella to divert the steady rain or showers. 2.5 more inches in the past couple days, like we needed it. All planted dahlias are still standing tall , but they're not exactly bustin' forth with glee to be outside. It will be mostly indoor gardening for me today.
Roly, good to have more testimony that dahlias can be grown in your zone!
Carrie, is there a kindly retired/unemployed neighbor or reliable kid you could hire as Ms. or Mr. Mister a few days a week? Or barter a deal: bouquets for misting?
Heheh-Mr. Mister. Not really any candidates that I could hire or barter with, honestly. Don't know any children of the right (responsible) age, nor any adults that don't work my same hours. I am planning on doing my shade cloth deal, so I hope that will take the place of misting. We shall see...
Thanks queeq I shall send you cool mountain breezes in return. Planted perennials and mini roses today. Dahlias looked on with longing from the greenhouse. I will be able to haul them all out again tomorrow But tonight Jack is on the prowl
♪♪ Hit the road Jack... It's raining and cool here. Oh shock, get the camera. I planted bush beans a week ago only to learn the local veggie guru never plants those til June because they rot. Great. Cuke seeds said "Keep moist until sprouted." THAT I have accomplished :) Dahlias that have graduated from the greenhouse are logging more miles in and out of the garage daily than my car is putting on the road!
Yeah, Carrie it's almost impossible to find a responsible party with time on their hands to do anything 'garden', even if paid. I feel bad asking our wonderful neighbors to set a sprinkler on the perennial bed once or twice if we're gone for a few days. So you will come up with a shading scheme and it will work! And mulch, mulch, mulch...
YES rjudd, for most all 3' or taller a stake and tying is highly recommended. If they aren't too tall yet, inverted tomato cages work well too. You won't regret the effort and your plants will stay upright.
Tod-haha, kelp, good one! I'm trying to expand on the lyrics, related to dahlias/garden and I just can't think..."won't you please, please kelp me..." How do you use it? Is it in a fish emulsion type compound, or? Do you use it on your dahlias?
Annie-thank you for your confidence. Yes, I am on my third mulching. To conserve, I don't do the whole bed so much as I do a
12"-ish radius around each dahlia. I am either going to do something similar to your suggestion (other forum) with the half hoops of PVC or rig something where the shade cloth is like a tarp with grommets for me to do a hooky-hoo somehow.
Grommets: like pull out from the fencetop to posts with hooky hoos to cover the dahlia bed like a pull-out tent awning. Should have been an engineer! I swapped dahlias for gorgeous tomato plants today so now I have to craft a covering to give them some heat and the best chance for producing delicious BLT ingredients.
She looks like The Widow Vista Lindsey sporting a mourning veil! "Alas, too sunny..." That cover should help. I think you're going to be one of those regulation height dahlia growers instead of the 6-8 footers Tod and I grow for our lack of sun.
I took creative writing classes years ago and got decent feedback like "You sounds just like yourself!" Duh. Then family and work took over. When my knees give out, I might get back to it if my mind holds up. That's up for debate right now.
...uuhhh... Talk about wanting to make dirt angels...now there's a place I could hide and live in harmony amongst the dahlias and no one would know. Where is that, or better, who is the creator of Vista Lindsey and what happened (former farm)?