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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 3, 2010
10:46 AM

Post #7855328

Here we go
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1010033/#new
snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

June 4, 2010
10:34 AM

Post #7858533

Nice maneuver! This has been one dilly of a thread. None of the astilbe here are ready to bloom. My new fall additions all survived just fine and I'm looking forward to their first season here.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 4, 2010
10:48 AM

Post #7858563

90 percent of my astilbes were given to me and they are new this year too. The amethyst is just showing some color in those teeeeeeny tight buds.Its on the otherside of the railing so I sit on the deck and eyeball it all day.
Here's a bunch of almost bloomers.I need a real life.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

June 4, 2010
11:38 AM

Post #7858663

While I love astilbes in full bloom there's something wonderful about watching them go from just greenery to the first spikes and then how they color up and open so gradually.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 4, 2010
11:40 AM

Post #7858669

The texture at this time is awsome
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

June 4, 2010
11:45 AM

Post #7858687

It really is. The Bridal Veil has this pale green cast and others look like a very tiny light strawberry color. Keep them watered if you have unseasonably warm weather. They won't complain about an extra quart of water each day.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 4, 2010
3:52 PM

Post #7859300

One of my white varieties is blooming now. I don't know the difference between 'Bridal Veil' and 'Deutschland' but one follows the other. 'Peach Blossom' is also starting to bloom. In another day or so, it will smell wonderful. The reds usually bloom later for me. I do see a nice showing of buds on 'Key Biscayne' (new last fall) so I'm thinking it will be in bloom next week. 'Key West' looks like it will be a little later since it's in more shade.
Snapple - Interested in hearing about your big project.
snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

June 4, 2010
5:44 PM

Post #7859541

The big project is in !!!!!. 6000 sq. ft. The mulching was finished today. There are some piles of leftover mulch waiting to be hauled off and then I will post pics. It was the project from heck. Got the grass and weeds killed and then got the bed rotitilled and dressed with Preen. Began planting and ran into a buried ( 14" deep) 16 x 21 concrete building footer 2' wide and 18" thick. We had to hire a contractor to come in with heavy equipment, dig it up and haul it away. The previous owners of the property (both deceased or I would sue) did not disclose this at the sale. We had to have top soil hauled in to fill in the area.

Were it not for the 300+ plants, shrubs and trees I had sitting on my back deck waiting to go in the ground I would have cancelled the whole thing. At one end of the bed I unexpectedly ran into a "vein" of heavy clay. Now I know what you folks with clay soil complain about. In some cases It took 1/2 hour just to get one small plant in. I never worked so hard in my life at a garden project. On the other side of the bed the previous owners had buried heaps of refuse and one "burn barrel" after another. I found shoes, nylon carpet, enough car parts to build one, lots and lots of broken glass, large animal bones, and plastic bag shreds. There was a lot of buried bricks, broken concrete chunks and asphalt chunks. This had been a private residence since 1926. We have no idea how so much rubble came to buried there. I just wish that they were alive today. I'd love to hear them explain it.

Anyway. It is done. It looks sparse. All the plants are so small. There was a lot of space to fill and I spaced them appropriately. It will take two growing seasons for everything to attain some size. I'll water this year on a regular basis, but next year it should be well enough established to be drought resistant during our dry July and August. The mulch is heavy enough to keep weeding to bare minimum. There are actually 326 plants - 46 species. Fifty percent of the species are native plants, but they dont make up 50% of the total number of plants. A plant could be native, hybrid or introduced as long as it was able to grow in full sun, in our climate, and without supplemental water or fertilizer once established. I've not fertilized anything and I dont plan on fertilizing anything. I had originally chosen plants suited for the soil conditions as they were described in the soil testing report I had done by U Mass. That kind of went out the window when we had to have top soil hauled in for part of the area and the heavy clay that I never discovered until it was too late. The bed is "V" shaped ( as is the lot) with the base of the V widened considerably. The soil changes from one end to the other. You name a soil type and I think I have it.

This will be very interesting. I'm exhausted.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 5, 2010
2:02 AM

Post #7860175

WOW Thats a huge project.
1927 is before my time by about 10 years but the municipalities didnt haul away anything in my memory. My grandparents lived on a farm,Talk about recycling! everything was,even nails and the keys and bands of metal that were used to open coffee cans.They had a dairy and didnt want the cows to injest anything like that.
House waste was put where we put ours,those of us who compost.There was no garbage collection ,they burned paper stuff.I Imagine thats pretty much how things were done on your place Snapple.
Good luck with clay.I amend every hole I dig.
snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

June 5, 2010
4:58 AM

Post #7860344

ge you're correct about the no garbage hauling in the "early" years. I forgot to mention that we found a complete section of railroad rail. That was hauled off for free on a flat bed truck by the local municipality that was siting a railroad caboose car in a histoical park. They needed a set of rails, of which we were more than happy to donate one half!

On amending the clay. I did - sort of in a round about way. The dead sod from the grass/weeds that we killed was heavy and very deeply rooted, over a foot down in many places. It did provide a lot of organic matter. It was in clods that had to be broken up by hand, even though we rototilled twice. I broke the sod up by hand for every planting hole. This included areas 4' wide for trees. Planting was a slow arduous process, made even more difficult by record setting heat the whole week. It hit 90 degrees most afternoons. I would start at daybreak and work until about 4:00 pm. Long days.

There has been some good luck however. Mother Nature has provided timely rain. I have had minimal hand watering to do thus far. We have to haul water to the site in 30 gal plastic barrels in the back of our van ( full size).

One note about plant selection. NO invasives of any genus or species made the final selection list. I was extra careful not to introduce any invasives. I had the selection list vetted by the local horticultural extension agent and the nearby botanical garden horticulturalist staff. Of the 326, two plants have said they rather die than grow there. Both were the same species. Might be a site/soil plant mismatch. Their 10 identical companions are doing OK so we'll see. At this point all the other stuff looks to be doing from just fine to great.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 5, 2010
5:57 AM

Post #7860445

That is going to be magnificent in 3 years and beyond.I did a Lasagna garden on the border so I could look out my computer room window and see something besides Spruces and weeds.
Here is how the lasagna method looked in 2009.I simply couldnt clear and til this 35x12 foot area.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 5, 2010
6:00 AM

Post #7860452

This is how it looked last September and just this morning. I am amazed at how sturdy plants are .There were a few that didnt like clay.Agastaches didnt make it and monardas didnt like compost. This is all clay with glacial rocks.I am done with making new gardens. I have to take into account weeding and transplants etc for the next years.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

June 5, 2010
6:26 AM

Post #7860492

You've put a lot of hard work into your gardens, snapple, and the rewards will be worth it even though the heat/aches/pains now may make it seem far away.

Great job, ge! It's so lovely now!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 5, 2010
6:45 AM

Post #7860531

Snapple has a lot to be proud of. 6ooo sq.ft. is no small garden.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 5, 2010
12:14 PM

Post #7861279

Snapple - so sorry that it turned out to be a major physical abuse project. I can't imagine how you kept at the soil prep part - the hardest part - with all of those obstacles. Will this end up being more of a public garden? Can't wait to hear more about the plants you selected. Hope you can now relax a bit and watch the plants grow.
ge - I'm with you on creating more planting beds. I think I've reached my limit on what I can really take care of. Amazing results with that lasagna layering.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 5, 2010
12:16 PM

Post #7861291

Its so easy.Glad I found out about it when I did.
Yes Snapple keep us posted.
snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

June 5, 2010
1:24 PM

Post #7861502

ge - If mine turns out a lovely as yours I'll be thrilled. Just as soon as the left over mulch mountains get removed I'll post pics.

A shot of the concrete removal.

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snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

June 5, 2010
1:30 PM

Post #7861523

The east bed - 70 X 30, with a lonely Miscanthus sinensis 'Morning Light'. The mangled oak belongs to the neighbor behind. He has since put up a fence across the back just in front of the oak. It was at the far end of the east bed that I struck concrete when I went to plant a Cotinus obovatus. I had some good luck there. At least I hadn't planted anything in the way of the contractor's equipment.

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 5, 2010
4:08 PM

Post #7861852

Its obvious your lot was a city dump.Good grief I had no idea the concrete was that big.
You wont regret removing all of that.I remember when The Victory Garden started in Boston on PBS.They made the first garden in the back lot of the studio and took out all kinds of trash.
I guess the railroad ties should have been my first clue on your lot. Thats uncommon household debris.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 6, 2010
9:04 AM

Post #7863636

Definitely a huge undertaking!
ge - I don't think I ever saw the very first episodes of TVG although I've watched it for years. Too bad it died out. It wasn't heading in a good direction the past couple of years.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 6, 2010
9:12 AM

Post #7863649

Too much competition from other garden program knock-offs that came after.The original narrater was old and when he died it just wasnt the same.
Its sad when the innovater gets knocked down. PBS has had problems from cable for years. I dont know why they dont get smart.
Our local station still has Lawerance Welk on Sat.night.
Its the 21'st century for kraps sake.LW has been dead for ages.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 6, 2010
2:01 PM

Post #7864461

I really haven't found any cable gardening programs that measure up to TVG (imho).

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 6, 2010
3:49 PM

Post #7864709

Amen
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 7, 2010
7:11 AM

Post #7866303

I couldn't relate to the program during the last couple of years which was kinda sad. I was a huge fan of "Ground Force" on BBCA and would willingly watch reruns as well. Sadly, the program doesn't exist anymore.
snapple45
Holland, OH
(Zone 5b)

June 7, 2010
9:59 AM

Post #7866845

How about Paul James the GardenerGuy? I enjoyed his stuff. Not very technical but I did learn the habits of new plants.

http://www.gardenerguy.com/

I havn't viewed the web videos, but they look interesting.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 7, 2010
10:04 AM

Post #7866864

I did like his show.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 8, 2010
7:41 AM

Post #7869476

OK - one cable gardening show I did like. He did a thing once on something akin to lasagna gardening. And Mike McGrath, the bug guy - he has his own podcast and I do like listening to him sometimes. What is Paul James doing besides the Rose Parade these days?

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 8, 2010
8:00 AM

Post #7869523

I have no idea.He must be on when I am watching something else.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 8, 2010
1:43 PM

Post #7870356

I don't think he's on the current Comcast lineup unless it's old reruns. Had Tivo set up to record (still) but nothing's showing up.
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

June 8, 2010
7:24 PM

Post #7871227

I'm loving 'Milk and Honey' this year! I got them tiny last year and they are already huge! They should be blooming soon.

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 9, 2010
2:16 AM

Post #7871667

any pictures?
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

June 9, 2010
5:10 AM

Post #7871810

Sure :)

Here's a closeup of 'Milk and Honey'

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SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

June 9, 2010
5:11 AM

Post #7871811

Here it is again in context

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SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

June 9, 2010
5:11 AM

Post #7871812

Looking the other direction

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SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

June 9, 2010
5:12 AM

Post #7871815

This is either Maggie Daley or Visions - I think Visions but I'll have to look it up

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SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

June 9, 2010
5:13 AM

Post #7871817

Europa

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 9, 2010
5:29 AM

Post #7871844

Songs your Milk and Honey is lovely.Thanks for the context pix.Its easier to gat a sence of the size.Wonderful spot.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 9, 2010
8:12 AM

Post #7872287

Songs - wonderful garden spaces. 'M&H' looks huge!
I'm currently liking the brightly colored new foliage on 'Key Biscayne' - the new leaves are kind of orangey. Saw this in it last year but it was new at the end of the season and I thought it had just gotten more sun at the nursery. But it's exhibiting the same coloring in my shady bed. Adds a new dimension to traditional Astilbe foliage.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 13, 2010
4:41 PM

Post #7885664

ge - Heard Paul James today on a Ken Druse podcast. He's the official spokesperson for nationalpublicgardens.org these days.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 13, 2010
5:34 PM

Post #7885815

After more "digging", it seems that Paul James and HGTV parted ways in 2009. Here's his website - http://www.gardenerguy.com/HGTV.html

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 14, 2010
1:18 AM

Post #7886663

Thanks
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 16, 2010
7:08 AM

Post #7893214

After all of the digging and dividing in the lower garden last summer, here's a shot of the hosta and Astilbe hillside. All Astilbe are 'Peach Blossom'. Photo's a little foggy due to high humidity but it helps camouflage the untidiness.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

June 16, 2010
7:11 AM

Post #7893222

Beautiful and I love the fog!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

June 16, 2010
7:12 AM

Post #7893228

That is just astonishing.Fog is good.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

June 16, 2010
4:09 PM

Post #7894722

I was so incredibly lucky that every single division took off growing like crazy this spring. And that we had a cool, wetter summer last year which reduced the stress on the poor plants.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 19, 2010
1:25 PM

Post #7981124

Does anyone know what this dwarf astilbe is? The leaves stay within 2 inches of the ground. It lost its tag.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

July 19, 2010
2:26 PM

Post #7981298

'Pumila' is the same color as is in your photo but the typical 'Pumila' is more like 8 to 12" tall. Is this a new plant? Maybe that would account for the small stature.

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perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 19, 2010
3:28 PM

Post #7981408

The tallest flower stem is maybe 8-12" tall. Does that count? I think I got it last year and it just sat there and didn't bloom. I'll check and see if I'm supposed to have pumila.
Thanks, pirl.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

July 19, 2010
5:18 PM

Post #7981678

I'll bet that's what it is. A height of 12" sounds good.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 19, 2010
6:00 PM

Post #7981794

I looked through my list, and couldn't find anything that seemed to match. Hmmm. I also looked at lots of pics of pumila, and they mostly seemed a much deeper pink, but the rest does seem to match. Maybe I just have iron-deficient soil or something.
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

July 19, 2010
6:01 PM

Post #7981796

I second that. Astilbe chinensis 'Pumila'. It spreads like a groundcover and blooms a little later than other astilbes.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

July 19, 2010
6:03 PM

Post #7981802

It's also supposed to be more heat tolerant - an excellent thing considering what we've all been through this summer.

It's definitely lavender here - no trace of pink.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 19, 2010
6:06 PM

Post #7981815

Thanks, Songs. Forgot about that blooming time. It's probably the last one, as it just started blooming, and most of my others are finished.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 19, 2010
6:09 PM

Post #7981824

We cross-posted, pirl. Come to think of it, I thought it was supposed to be lavender, as I remember planting it near a deep purple geranium because of that.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

July 19, 2010
6:18 PM

Post #7981849

I'll try and get better photos of it tomorrow. Here it is a nice light lavender. It does form a great tight mat and I use it as a ground cover because weeds just don't penetrate it.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 19, 2010
6:33 PM

Post #7981888

Thanks!
SongsofJoy
New Hampshire, NH
(Zone 5b)

July 19, 2010
6:34 PM

Post #7981893

Mine is light pink/lavendar too. It almost looks like it has flecks of blue in it. Does that sound right?

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

July 19, 2010
6:56 PM

Post #7981960

It certainly sounds lovely.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 19, 2010
9:32 PM

Post #7982349

Sure does. I wonder if mine will change color when it's fully open. It's only beginning to flower now.
Weerobin
Saint Louis, MO
(Zone 6a)

July 20, 2010
4:15 AM

Post #7982576

I have several varieties of very dwarf astilbes.
A couple are from Darrell Probst, more known for epimediums (Garden Visions Nursery).
I also have astilbe saxatilis, which I think I got from Edelweiss Nursery.
They all have foliage hugging the ground.
Only sporadic flowering this summer, since they are only 1-2 yrs old.
I'm trying them out as a shady groundcover. We'll see...
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

July 20, 2010
7:24 AM

Post #7983001

'Pumila' blooms later here too. And it is quite a ground hugger.
My batch of unnamed red Astilbes by the patio did not bloom well at all this year. I know we had sufficient rain as the foliage is looking great. Some flower buds just quit developing and turned black. It is the one batch of Astilbes that I didn't divide last year since the plants weren't really that big. Since I didn't do the dividing/amending soil thing, I'm wondering if it could be that they just need more nutrients since they're at the base of a large oak. The difference though between last year and this year bloom-wise is dramatic though.
I am somewhat disappointed with the flowers on 'Key Biscayne'. Planted it last fall. The foliage gets an orangey blush to it which looks great and does hold but the flowers by comparison just look like beigey-pink. We were having a heat wave over July 4 when it was in full flower (and I wasn't home) so maybe it just pushed the blooms into that dull color. Is anyone else growing this one?
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

July 21, 2010
11:08 AM

Post #7985939

I'm not growing Key Biscayne so I'm no help to you.

One way to check the astilbe by the oak is to remove half and plant it elsewhere, then check on the performance of each half next year. Compost underneath the division and all around the plant, as mulch, will be a big help to it. You can also add compost where you remove a chunk and that area will then be most hospitable to new growth.

I finally took more photos of Pumila and have to say I'm surprised it isn't as lavender as I always thought it was. It isn't exactly pink either so I'll call it orchid.

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perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 21, 2010
11:24 AM

Post #7985970

Thanks, pirl. Pumila does look just like mine. I'll bet that's what it is. I'd call it pink.
What color is "orchid"?
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

July 21, 2010
11:25 AM

Post #7985975

Pinky-lavender - I remember from my prom dress.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 21, 2010
11:30 AM

Post #7985986

ooohhhh, I see. And the color was called "orchid"? Funny where we get our color names. I get some of mine from my 128 pack of crayolas.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

July 21, 2010
11:35 AM

Post #7985995

That sounds like it could be great fun especially for a rainy day...if we ever have one again.
perenniallyme
Jamaica Plain, MA
(Zone 6a)

July 21, 2010
11:44 AM

Post #7986025

It was when I was a kid. Haven't had them for quite a while, but the color names stick. It would probably be a good idea for an unbearable hot muggy day, too, but here I am on the computer instead.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

July 21, 2010
12:28 PM

Post #7986170

Beautiful pic of 'Pumilla'. This time of year when not much else is blooming in the shady lower garden, the 'Pumilla' is refreshing. 'Bressingham Beauty' is about half done blooming.
Pirl - you're probably right about dividing those unnamed reds of mine. Just have to think of a good home for the divisions. I'm thinking about waiting for a little cooler weather though. Last year, the task was so easy with temps in the 80's. This year, it's been consecutive days of 90+.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

July 21, 2010
12:40 PM

Post #7986229

Thanks, Cindy. The dahlias have begun to bloom and I did work outside for 8 hours yesterday and did stake and tie some of the dahlias but the heat is just too much. Once we do get cooler weather we will all have enough of a "to do" list to last a month.
CindyMzone5
Hobart, IN

July 21, 2010
12:44 PM

Post #7986240

I have been out working yesterday and today but it's mostly dead-heading and tidying things up. I do have some dividing and planting and editing to do but it is supposed to be cooler next week - only in the 80's.

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