I thought I'd share some of my garden blooms here with everyone. If you aren't interested, then you can just ignore this thread ...
Debra - I miss seeing your garden threads! I loved all the plants you were growing. You have the biggest green thumb when it comes to growing anything and everything! I won't even try to compare my garden plants/blooms with yours, but I do miss seeing your thread.
I'll start off with a few MG blooms. Most of my vines are dying or already gone. New ones are right behind, but no blooms yet ... so figured I'd also show some other blooms in my garden, too! :-)
This is Diluted Fuji no Muraski. No, I haven't changed the name. I know ... I guess I'm not very fashionable. It's easier for me to remember a cultivar by it's original name before it's crossed along with some "additional" name added in to tell me why it is different. In this case the "Diluted" means that there is a blending of colors in this cross. Amazingly, it has grown out true for me. I am very pleased! And I see others here have had the same excellent results! Congrats!
This is a cross of Diluted Fuji no Muraski with Keiryu from last year. I love the pretty blue in this cross. If I get any seeds ... though so far there are no seed pods forming yet ... y'all know I will share. Please be aware that just because this vine came out this way on it's first grow-out, there is not a guarantee that the F1 vines will look like this. This is not a hybrid. It is simply a cross that may or may not be stable.
Many times there are recessive genes that come out in the F1 or F2 that make it look totally different than the original vine/blooms. I don't know if folks have been disappointed by any seeds they've grown out from me but none of my seeds are hybrids yet. It takes 3, sometimes 4 generations of seed/vine self-pollinating to get a good stable new hybrid. So just be aware of that and you won't be surprised or disappointed.
This is the typical Silver Wolf bloom on my particular vine. Nice contrast between the lighter foliage and this darker bloom. As the bloom ages it turns very dark (almost a gray-black) but mine rarely stays open in nice form to photograph once it starts wilting. Most of the blooms on this vine look like this one.
But ... Silver Wolf has produced several "mutant" blooms like this one. It could be a recessive gene in my particular seed or something else. Remember ... every seed can produce a unique vine. Unfortunately, I didn't get but a few seeds, so will be growing out the F1s to see what happens. Who knows ... maybe that is a recessive gene on those blooms and I'll get a vine with blooms like this instead of solid color.
The two photos above were taken several weeks ago. Being an annual vine, it is now dying, but today I got two more mutant blooms. When the vines are on the decline, the blooms aren't always fully open and pretty, but you can see what I am talking about concerning more unusual blooms. It may be interesting to see what the F1 seeds produce ...
Blue Speckles is a new cross this year. But seeds from this vine could produce solid color blooms instead of this speckled pattern. The genetic pool is very vast in many MGs! This is only a cross, not a hybrid. So it's unknown what the seeds will produce...
Full Moon (Ukon) came true as an F1 from Dany. But it is considered a rare MG because of low seed production. I found that to be all too true. Most of the blooms did not have pollen. So I had to cross it with other vine blooms. I am growing an F1 currently to see what happens to the yellow gene when crossed.
This is Yuuzuki. It originated in Japan. At some point, it was renamed here in the USA to Rose Silk. I don't really understand why some of the Japanese cultivars are renamed here. It is confusing because when I look at the two names, I initially think they are two different cultivars, but often they are not. I know that there are quite a few Japanese MGs that go by several different names, but when you compare them side by side, they are the same. Go figure!
I always get a kick out of how the bloom colors change as the day goes on. If I didn't know that these bloom in the photo were the same bloom taken in the morning and then later in the afternoon, I'd think they were two totally different cultivars. It's almost like you get two MGs for the pleasure of one!
The Speckled blooming vines are always fascinating. This one is currently growing ... actually almost done with it's life cycle. But here are the typical blooms. Very large blooms with speckles on them. No two blooms are exactly the same.
I am growing my vines in 5 gallon containers. They grow quite large. The root system extends down to the bottom of the containers by the time their life cycle is done. I place my vines at least 4' apart, otherwise they grow and spread into each other. They sure are gorgeous when they get this big!
I hope I get lots of seeds to trade/share from all my grow-outs this year. I just hope folks understand that all the crosses I am growing are NOT stable and can produce entirely different blooms than what you see here. Only some, mostly the Japanese, are likely to come true. But that is only if they weren't crossed by open-pollination with another cultivar. No guarantees with my seeds! I don't know how the seed companies do it to ensure their packs have a specific cultivar.
I love Brugs, too. This is Equador Pink that I thought I had lost, but it began producing new leaves, so I transplanted it in a self-watering container and look at it now! :-)
Some cyber-friends shared/traded their crossed daylily seeds with me. I had about 60 different NOIDs this year. This one is my favorite. Large bloom and fan and has been blooming for almost 2 months. Still going strong while all the others have stopped blooming for the season.
It's not even Fall yet, but my Sweet Autumn Clematis is already blooming! These vines are doing a wonderful job of covering my mini-pergola trellis. I hope it eventually covers the entire sides and top of the pergola! :-)
All of my Plumeria were killed to the ground this past Winter except this one. I moved it into one of the self-watering containers and it has gotten to be a nice size. The root system on these are very modest for such a large plant.
This is a pink coral vine that I started from seed a year ago and potted up this year. It has taken off! I tried to shape into a heart but it's not cooperating. Though it is blooming! A really pretty vine!
I dug up some Boxwood shrubs in the front yard and then didn't have the heart to toss them in the trash, so I pruned them back hard ... really hard to the point you could say they were butchered. I didn't think any would make it because of being cut back so drastically, but 7 out of 8 did! These are tough little shrubs ... now Bonsai trees. LOL! As you can see, I am still learning about the art of making Bonsai plants. LOL!
Becky, just spectacular blooms. So happy you finally shared some photos with us. I am crazy about your mutant, the diluted Fuji, and the cross with Keiryu.
I love all your speckled blooms. The color blocked bloom is impressive
and this photo is a beauty #8575
I love that Purple Speckled vine. Only one seed pod on it with one seed. I'll be growing it out again! I was told when I got the seed to grow this vine that it is a stingy seed producer! LOL! They weren't kidding! I got seeds from other MG vines not posted here, but these are the stubborn seed producers photographed above. Thanks for taking a look at my blooms!
Becky, looking good!!! you have got some great crosses here, now, to keep them going and testing them, that will be a real treat when you get to see what you have created. Once you decide which are worthy of keeping, be sure to name them before you trade any of them. Something like I. nil Blueberry Sprinkle, or I. nil Twilight... They could go along with my Kikyo Lt. Blue - Dracula.. (Just a thought)
Glad to see some new stuff coming out. Keep up the good work and I'll be back soon, gotta check on my little fellows.
You are right Antoinette ... Making a cross is the easy part, getting a cross to be stable from seed can be another story entirely. It takes a lot of time and commitment! Which is why I haven't created my first true "hybrid" yet. I've made plenty of crosses though! LOL!
Over the years, I've gotten trades that looked nothing like what they were labeled. I always assumed that maybe the wrong seeds were put in the baggies or were mislabeled, but it could be that they were not stable crosses to begin with. They carried recessive genes and looked very different than the parent (mother) vine's blooms. Being a trade, I wasn't too upset. It happens probably more than not with crosses! :-)
It does bother me though when I buy seeds and they don't grow out true. Sometimes I get a nice surprise cross. But if I am spending my hard earned $$'s, I want what I paid for, you know?!!! It's disappointing to say the least.
They are not crazy, I love them. Can you believe your seeds have not given me one bloom? i cannot understand it. Anyway, they are growing, maybe they are getting too much fertilizer from the other plants. I know they do not like it. I like those rain liliies, have never seen those.
I hope to have plenty of seeds of Blue Speckles to share! All the seeds were self-pollinated by hand. I didn't cross pollinate that vine at all. And it is away from all the other vines. It has the speckle trait that I like and plenty of pollen. I used it for most all my crosses. But not sure what the seeds will produce since a solid blue bloom is a recessive gene! I also used Sidare for many of my earlier crosses. And may use it again when the new vines start blooming.
Blue Speckles has been the pollen plant for blooms on every vine that is sterile (at one point or another). So it will be very interesting to see what those seeds produce. Sometimes you have to grow out the F1 (which has to be "self"-pollinated) and then grow the F2 to see what you might really get! But even an F3 can produce something different if it is not a stable hybrid. Those dominant and recessive genes can be rather tricky! Of course the goal is to get speckles, but that doesn't always happen. Which makes crossing genes for a particular trait and stabilizing it so difficult! My hat is off to folks who do TRUE hybrids. Anyone can make a cross, but it takes a lot of work to make a new hybrid cultivar.
Anytime you get seeds that are a "cross", don't be surprised if the F1 seeds gives you something quite different than you were expecting. Sometimes that is good and sometimes it can be disappointing.
Silver Wolf is a stingy seed producer and so far I've not gotten but a couple of seeds which I am planning to grow out to try to get more seeds for next year's trades and sharing! :-) With any luck...
On a side note: A dominant trait does not mean "more potent," and recessive does not mean "weaker." Rather, the terms simply refer to the visible trait. And the hidden "recessive" trait can show up in any seed/vine!
In this post above ( http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=7998623 ) you can see the vines in their containers all lined up along my fence. Most of those vines were spaced anywhere from 2 -3' apart. I have decided to now only grow one or maybe two vines per 4' x 6' bed. The I. nil and I. purpurea vines get really large here. And they like to climb everywhere ... including to each other. If you have ever had that happen, then you know what a bear it is to separate them without breaking or cutting the vines. I have to try to stay on top of it every day. After a while it is a lot of work to babysit them. Which is also why I only grow about 15-20 at a time.
I know everyone got a LOT of seeds in the seed swap. And I apologize for not growing at least one seed from every packet, but I just don't have the room or time or money it takes to do that! I am a selective MG gardener. I personally favor the the I. nils and I am selective about growing cultivars or crosses that are new to me. There are so many cultivars (not to mention infinite crosses), that I could never grow them all in my lifetime even if I started at 15 years old! lol And new hybrids are developed every day in Japan and around the world including here in the USA! :-)
I also like other plants as well as other vines as you may have observed by the other plant photos in this thread.
Trying to keep a vine from being crossed with another cultivar is tricky. If they are too close together, open pollinating can often occur. I know there are a lot of folks here who like the true "pure" named cultivars/hybrids. If you are very careful, it can be done. Vines have to be some distance apart, not right next to each, to prevent that from happening. But even then, bees do fly across my yard to land on a different cultivar's bloom and you know the rest is history!
I gave up trying to keep mine pure two years ago. And I became fascinated with crosses. How else would we get some of these mind-blowing vines/blooms? So I warn everyone who doesn't already know ... if you trade with me, you're very likely to get a cross! It's no secret as many have traded with me in the past and were often surprised by their blooms. The blooms didn't look like mine. And that is probably the case with any crossed cultivars. And it DOES happen a lot!!! Just look at all the folks who come to this forum trying to ID their blooms because they can't match it up from DG PlantFiles or some other source on the internet.
Here are two of my vines (NOID pink and Pink Silk) trying to sneak past me by getting a little too cozy! You can bet any bee around will be crossing these two! LOL! It's amazing how far a single vine can reach to get to another MG! I've had some that reached 6' behind the containers and I didn't even know it until I saw the bloom come up two garden beds away! LOL! Sneaky is not the word for these little darlings!
Well, my blooms right now are not producing pollen on the above vine. Who knows why?
Anyone who knows me, knows about my trusty little artist's paint brush. My motto ... never let a viable bloom wilt without first pollinating it! So I get that trusty brush and pretend to be a bee! LOL!
This year my fascination has been on the "speckles", so I have been fortunate enough to get a seed/vine cross from Antoinette that has tons of speckles and lots of pollen! The grow-outs next year could be rather interesting!
This is the NOID Pink that is also getting the paint brush treatment! :-)
There are several interesting points about the Blue Speckles vine:
1) It has small blooms (almost the size of an I. pupurea) of 3 - 3 1/2", as well as smaller leaves, but is a very large vine! I think it could easily take over a large section of my fence.
2) The blooms are a mix of speckles and blue background petals on many of the vine's flowers.
3) But not all of the blooms look like that! It is a mix of many different characteristics!
Which makes it a most interesting pollen plant. Small vs. larger blooms/leaves. Speckles vs. solid colored blooms. Medium blue vs. all other colors. Could some of the vines produce blue flowers, speckles, and even another color on the same vine? What are the possibilities? Won't know till we grow them out (F1)! And a lot of times, the recessive genes don't show up until the second grow-out (F2)! Such fun!
I always laugh when I see my vines start off doing this. It's like two strangers avoiding eye contact and leaning away from each other. By the time the vines on the right side start really growing strong ... you can bet the Yuuzuki vine (on the left) will be all over it! LOL! The more blooms in one place, the more likely that bees or other flying critters will come to pollinate them! Each vine's purpose in life is to grow, bloom, and make seeds! So they are smart enough to do whatever it takes to ensure that their genes live on!
The more mix of genes you have in a vine, the crazier the blooms. This is my Diluted Fuji no Muraski x Keiryu cross bloom today. Interesting how the bloom looks today, huh?
I find I. nil vine grow-outs more unpredictable than predictable. And that is why I don't get bored growing them. It's a continuous story that keeps me on the edge of my seat from morning to morning waiting to turn the page to see what's awaiting me out in the yard! :-)
Thanks to all of you for the very nice compliments of my bloom photos.
Some of you reading this may think that I am rambling on and on about myself, but in fact the main purpose for creating this thread was to share information with you about what I have learned over the past 4 years growing MGs. I was a newbie not that long ago, as some of you may recall ...
I do not mean to tease anyone with the MG bloom photos posted above. Many of those are stingy seed producers and I will not have enough seeds for trading. Some came directly from Japan and are very new ... and to my knowledge haven't been released by the Japanese commercial seed companies yet. (Maybe I am wrong, but I've not seen any of them advertised for sale.) The seeds were shared with me by several very kind and generous MG seed traders. I believe the reason they are rare is because of the fact that they don't produce many seeds. Some have very unusual qualities which would make them highly desirable. Others are nice, but do not knock my socks off ... I think a "desirable" MG is a preference. A personal preference.
In my years here on this forum, I have seen folks go to great lengths trying to obtain the newest and rarest MGs. Some cultivars may have been worth the effort, but others made me wonder what the big deal was all about! lol Maybe a bit of an obsession? These vines CAN be a bit addicting... lol
I found myself getting wrapped up in the frenzy ... and it was a let down. I have obtained and grown out some very unusual vines, only to be disappointed personally. The Japanese have created some really unusual cultivars in recent years. Some of the flower shapes look shredded. In photos they are beautiful, but as I have discovered ... much smaller than I personally prefer. Some were actually insignificant in comparison to the foliage and vine itself. It's always amazing to me how a photograph can indeed be very deceiving to the viewer.
I have learned to discern for myself what these vines and blooms really look like in real life. I know what I personally like and those unusual cultivars do not really appeal to me at this time. And I don't mean to discount those lovely cultivars as I am sure they are VERY unique and beautiful indeed. Like I said, it is a personal preference.
I have looked at many commercial seed/plant catalogs and they know how to advertise to get buyers! It is so easy to get excited about their newly introduced plants. But when I grew some of those out, they were not what I thought they would be. LOL! Maybe I am evolving personally as a gardener. I like to think so. I have come to the realization that I can only grow so many plants in a season with my limited yard space. So I've become more discriminating about WHAT I want to grow. I now decide what it is that I REALLY want in a plant and that is what I focus my attention on, not the latest and greatest new cultivars.
How do I chose? I personally decide what I want by size, color, habit, and how well it will grow in my zone. And it is still a trial and error for me. But it is also a process of elimination in narrowing down what I need to be looking at when deciding what to grow each year.
There are endless choices of MGs! Here is a collage of some of my own personal favorites from last year's grow-outs! Many of these I shared seeds of in the seed swap. But be warned ... if they were a cross, not a hybrid or true cultivar ... they may not come true to my photographs!
I want to show you another mutant bloom from my Silver Wolf vine. I have no idea if this mutant bloom was caused internally (genes) or externally (fertilizer perhaps?), but I was quite taken back by it! My photo may be the only way I will ever remember it if it never produces any F1 vines showing similar characteristics. But it was certainly an inspiring bloom to behold (in my eyes!).
I find it amazing how MGs can produce such blooms with such intricate detail of colors, patterns, and shapes ... even if for a fleeting moment. They are incredible plants! :-)
Becky, beautiful pictures!
In fact we know nothing of the origin of these cultivars. The term of the same Silver Wolf is a name given by the public. At the University of Kyushu they talk about Black Dove. This year I could get 5 seeds of Q 1210, I supposed to be Silver Wolf.
There is another dark gray: Q 1231 they call it 'Sunshine Excluded Black Dove'.
Dany - I am not surprised at the naming by the "public" of many of the Kyushu University hybrids! Was the vine crossed until it became an actual hybrid? That is my question. Or is it still just a cross that is not stable? If it is a hybrid, then it would be fair to say than the Kyushu University created that cultivar regardless of the name, right? And they should be recognized for it as such!
That brings up a real dilemma about ethics. The Japanese universities and even some of the seed companies that created those new hybrid cultivars should be recognized for their hard work, right?! I have heard that seed companies steal from each other. This happens all the time in other countries including the USA. They get seeds from their competitors. They rename it and sell them as their "new" hybrid. Under a different name, many buyers really believe it is a new cultivar. At least until they grow it out and discover it's the same vine as the hybrid company (who created it in the first place). How ethical is it to make a profit off another company's hard work? AND ... is it dishonest for commercial seed companies to deceive their customers? I sure have to wonder.
I think if I was a customer and saw a new cultivar name, that I might be tempted to buy it, but ... I'd be pretty mad to find out that I already had seeds for it or had already purchased it a year earlier under the original name. I basically just wasted my money on a duplicate seed pack. And I sure would think twice about buying from that company again. I'd be afraid that I might get cheated again on another seed pack of a different cultivar.
Here are some Japanese Commercial Seed Company websites that seasonally sell MG seeds: (You'll need the google translator program to find their listing of MGs.) How many of these sell MG seeds that are the same cultivar/hybrid but going by a different name and what were they called originally and who was the hybridizer?
This activity goes on in many countries including America! The renaming and claiming of plant cultivars is probably more common than we know. Which is probably why some hybridizers patent their cultivars. Can't blame them ... they did all the work!!! It is definitely an ethical dilemma. And I guess it comes down to the profits that these companies make from all those seeds...
There is a lot of work involved in creating a hybrid. It can take 3-4 grow-outs from the original vine: F1, F2, F3, and maybe an F4. It could take 2-4 years depending on what kind of climate/zone you live in. I live in a tropical zone, so I can get 2 sometimes 3 grow-outs in a year. And sometimes I grow them indoors in my window over the winter months. So I am really fortunate to have the right climate for MG vines. But not everyone does. Though I do believe Japan has a similar climate as we do here in Florida.
So as you can see, there is a lot of clinical and precise work involved when hand-pollinating. My own way is far from precise unless I am working with a partially sterile vine, which affords me the perfect opportunity and I usually take it! But most hybridizers don't have that luxury, and it takes much more work.
She very kindly gave me a little insight on what it takes to make a hybrid. I hope she doesn't mind my sharing her information. The following is quoted from her:
"Pick two flowers you see things you`d like to combine in one. Like you want a large flower that has the color of another flower. You cross for the F1. F1 stands for filial generation one and you write it without getting carpal tunnel. Then grow your F1 and "tie" (see her method above) to self as many blooms as you can. Then do a grow out. There are some results desired that might require a larger grow out to find them. This is where the culling (removing) comes in handy. You cull out the ones not conforming and it makes room for the good ones you want to keep and it reduces the potential of creating a overcrowded disease and insect problem environment."
And of course, from there I know that you have to repeat those steps by growing out the F2 seeds and culling out all but the vines that are displaying the characteristics that you want in your new hybrid. Then you tie and "self" the vines and then grow out the resulting F3 seeds. Once again growing and culling/removing all vines except the ones that are showing the desirable traits for your new hybrid. An F4 grow-out may be necessary if you are seeing unstable characteristics in any of the vines. The more complex the characteristics, the more grow-outs may be required to get a stable new hybrid.
Note: When I write "self", that means that you have to pollinate the bloom with pollen from it's own bloom or other blooms on the same vine. This helps ensure that the characteristics you want become THE dominate genes so that those traits show up time and time again from any blooms you see on a vine and any seeds you grow from that vine.
But always keep in mind that a recessive gene could show up, which can sometimes be a good thing which might add to the beauty of your hybrid.
Here is a prime example of a recessive gene that seems to show up from time to time in my Silver Wolf vine. This was one of the blooms on it this morning! Very interesting what cultivar might have been used in the creation of Silver Wolf. I would never have thought of a blizzard or striped cultivar having been used.
And your idea about creating a Sazanami x Silver Wolf is a very good one, Dany! I might just have to try doing a cross like that to see what it produces! Thanks for the great idea!
I want to mention to everyone that Karen (gardener2005) doesn't know I quoted her in my post above, nor that I linked to the hybrid forum to her threads. She is no longer a member on DG, so I sure hope she doesn't mind my using her work as an example of creating a hybrid.
I find it VERY interesting how and what she managed to create into hybrids. I haven't done that myself, so can't show y'all my work, cause I just do crosses. I might take up the challenge and create a hybrid one day though. It seems very fascinating, with a touch of the unexpected thrown in!
Very good information regarding hybridizing.. I am anxious to grow several of Karen's crosses, I just got 7 packs from her and she sent me so many extras... all speckled kikyos and large flowered. I noticed that several people here are growing her speckled crosses and it is good to know that the DG members support her in a big way. Hopefully she will get credit as the hybridizer for those and they make it into the plantfiles before someone else takes credit.
Is that video tutorial she did for us still here on DG.. that was pretty neat and easy to follow. I'm sure that helped even the older mg growers that didn't/don't know how to pollinate. I like Dr. Yoneda's site too.
Antoinette - I looked for the video and it is not here on DG. Was it here or some place else? Great idea to include that video in this thread. It was really neat to see, especially for someone like me who is a visual learner. LOL!
I believe it was here on DG, maybe it was linked to her homepage, or U-tube. Hopefully someone here bookmarked it. I've got to finish some projects here and then I'll help look for the link if you like.
I really enjoyed doing the group seed swap last year and got so many wonderful species and cultivars of MG seeds from everyone! I hope the participants enjoyed it as much as I did!
Again, I apologize to anyone who got a ďcrossĒ from me that doesnít look like the photos I posted. I wish I couldíve shared all hybrids, but Iíve yet to attempt to create stable vines/seeds.
Trading vs. buying seeds is a topic that has some interest to me. I would imagine that most of us do both! I truly enjoy trading with folks! I love sharing what I grew in my garden in hopes that others get as much joy from the plants as I did. And I love getting otherís seeds to grow out. When I grow out a vine that I really like and it was shared with me, it becomes that much more special! I think of the kindness and generosity of that person and how grateful I am that they shared something so beautiful with me! Sharing and trading makes communities! And we, here on this forum and other websites, have formed a community because of what we have shared not only in trades, but also in photos, personal correspondence, and posts. It has brought the world closer to home for me. How else could I trade seeds with folks across the USA and in other countries? The internet has opened up possibilities for me that I could never have otherwise. Isnít the World Wide Web truly wonderful?!!! :-)
For me, gardening is a bit of an expense. Due to the fact that I have gone to container gardening, it requires a bit more work and money initially. Using 5 gallon containers for most of my plants is a lot of potting mix! I have learned to buy in larger quantities at a substantial discount and I have also learned to mix my own potting mix for my zone and climate. And I buy fertilizer as well. In spending money for the basics, that leaves my garden budget about depleted when it comes to purchasing seeds and/or plants. Trading seeds is a way for me to get what I might not otherwise be able to afford. With the current economic recession, things are tight and I know it is for a lot of other folks, too! Last yearís seed swap was great! I got a LOT of seeds for just a little bit of work and money. And for those participants, it was basically for the cost of postage to send and receive their share of seeds! As well as perhaps purchasing seed zipbags and labels. The work involved for most participants was collecting seeds to send. Or in the case of a few folks ... purchasing seeds to trade in the swap. But when I looked at the sheer amount of seeds we each got in that swap ... what a DEAL!!!
I, personally, do mostly seed trading. Very little purchasing. But on occasion I will purchase some unopened original Japanese seed packs. Iíve found them to be a bit expensive but worth the money. When I buy commercial JMGs, I am usually pretty confident that I am getting what is photographed on the seed packet. I havenít been disappointed with any of the seeds Iíve grown from those Japanese packs. They usually come true to the cultivar. I do know that they are coated to help them germinate, though I know some folks have complained about low germination. I think the trick is to make sure the temps are higher when sowing them to prevent seed rot. I. nils especially do the best in higher temps of high 70ís and up! So when I purchase, itís for cultivars straight from Japan.
Sometimes there are new Japanese cultivars that are hard to find. I truly appreciate all the folks who have traded/shared these rare ones with me! Most traders are very generous as I found over the years. And any that arenít good seed traders ... well, I just wonít trade with them again.
I know that there are a lot of sellers on DGís MarketPlace. Probably some folks from this forum sell there. I have no issue with sellers unless what they are advertising/selling is not what they send or the seeds are old and wonít germinate. Iíve run into both scenarios. I have the utmost respect for honest and reliable sellers. I wonít purchase again from sellers who arenít.
Iíve had numerous folks ask me why I donít sell. Many reasons:
1) Selling requires a lot of time and work! It takes many years to build up a business and clientele.
2) Seeds don't always come true especially if the seeds are crosses instead of hybrids. That might bring the wrath of poor ratings on a seed selling business if customers are unhappy and disappointed with the vines/blooms they grow from my seeds. Of course, if most ratings can only be added for the first 30 days after a purchase, then I might be good to go! (Most vines donít bloom within 30 days, so you wonĎt know if what you are growing is what you actually purchased.) Of course, I don't know how many repeat customers I would have if I did that.
3) MOST important reason for me, personally - selling can take the fun out of gardening if the profit becomes the priority.
I garden as a hobby! I love the barter system and meeting folks online from all over the world. I enjoy sharing information, photos, and trading seeds! Many thanks to all who have generously traded with me over the years! :-)
It's mutual! I've had some great vines and some gorgeous blooms from yours as well! Thanks for so kindly sharing so much with me! You are a wonderful trader and gardener! So glad that I've met folks like you here on DG! The pleasure has been all mine!!!
Here is a Sazanami that is possibly a cross. It may be a cross because the color is lavender instead of blue! One of my absolute favorite vines!!!!
One of the most valuable things shared here in the MG Forum community is the valuable posts full of questions, information, and photos. Truly outstanding! This forum has a wonderful sticky thread for everyone to read and reference any time. Many, many peopleís posts and work have contributed to that thread! There is so much information in that thread that it literally boggles my mind to read through it!
I donít have a Bachelor or Masters Degree in Botany or Entomology. I wished I did! When I read some of the posts, internet links, and discussions relating to topics in the sticky as well as some of the other posts on this forum, I do my best to try to fully understand the information. But I must confess that some of it goes right over my head ! And sometimes I am not quite clear about written instructions. I just happen to need a little extra information such as a photo or video. Which is why I posted the links to gardener2005ís hand-pollination and Yonedaís website page above in a previous post. Great visual cues for me to fully understand details. A picture speaks a 1000 words, as they say, and I have to agree! :-)
I appreciate the fact that gardener2005 went the extra mile to actually take step by step photos. I suppose anyone could have done that, but only she did. Iíve since tried to do the same for others. I appreciate the effort made on behalf of those of us who need that extra bit of helpful information.
I really like Yonedaís website and his online book, so if you have not had the chance to really look through it, I encourage you to check it out! It holds a wealth of information. There are many other sites, too! But Yonedaís is one that I refer to over and over again. It seems to be written in laymanís terms that I can easily understand. http://protist.i.hosei.ac.jp/Asagao/Yoneda_DB/E/menu.html
I donít know about other people, but I am a hands-on learner. I can read about other peopleís experiences or experiments, but it often doesnít really stick with me until I actually do it myself. I learn best by doing! And I've learned a lot since first coming onboard here several years ago!
Iíve been growing out seeds from trades for a number of years. Sometimes I get exactly what I was expecting per the traders/sellers photos and other times I get something that makes me wonder where the seeds really came from. I will admit that many times I figured the person either mixed up the seeds or mislabeled them. But in most cases, I now suspect that the seeds were F2 seeds of crosses that didnít exhibit/carry the same dominate genes as the F1 vine.
Gardener2005 recently shared with me from her own experimenting. She stated that in her own grow-outs that the F2 seeds that are a cross of a speckled bloom and a solid color bloom will yield roughly a 10% occurance of a speckled one, so I should start a lot of seeds and pick through the vines as they bloomed. I was thinking about that ... out of 10 seeds, maybe only 1 is speckled or out of 20 seeds, 2 are speckled? Hmmmm ... the odds of F2 being true are not as great as the F1 seeds. So that means that many of the crosses I share with folks here will most likely not grow true to the F1 I grew. That explained to me why a ďhybridĒ is so different than a ďcrossď.
I donít know how many other folks here have ever tried to create a hybrid. Gardener2005 was the only one I know of on the MG Forum who did and actually shared her info about it. I falsely assumed that once I crossed two MG blooms, I created a brand new cultivar. Geez was I ever wrong! And I was totally surprised when folks I traded with got something quite different. I KNEW I labeled the seeds correctly, as I am meticulous about collecting seeds and bagging them by vine cultivar name. I had no idea what was going on until Gardener2005 told me. Was she the only one who knew this because of her own experimenting and efforts to create a hybrid? Which is why I am sharing this information with folks here on the forum now. I didnít know and I wondered how many others didnít either.I hope this information is as helpful to you as it has been to me! Itís been quite an education.
So now I am wondering if I will get the same odds with the Blue Speckles seeds I am collecting? Might be a fun experiment to try as a grow-out! I also had a lot of partially sterile vines on my current grow-out and guess which vines I used pollen from to fertilize all these vines? LOL! Yes sir! I used Blue Speckles and Sidare who both produced pollen consistently. So my seeds this year may definitely NOT come true to the parent vine/blooms! Just warning yíall! :-)
Maybe they will exhibit solid blue blooms? Small blooms? Speckled blooms? Blizzard blooms? Rayed blooms? The wide range of possibilities are most interesting to me! And if I do the grow-outs and work to stabilize these genes, does anyone care? I have to wonder, if YOU put in the time, effort, and work to create your own hybrid, would you want your name listed as the hybridizer for it in places like PlantFiles? So that folks know who to contact for information or questions? Or even to get a little recognition for your work? Something to ponder ...
Here are some of the different blooms taken of my Blue Speckles vine. An interesting variety. Which sure has me wondering what the F2 vines will produce! :-)
Becky, I just looked at all your pictures and they are great! I never knew there was so many different types and colors of morning glories-here in McMinnville, TN (The Nursery Capital of The World) they grow everywhere wild.
I have a special 1 growing or should I say covering my mailbox that I am waiting to bloom so I can post pictures. I am so glad Cibarius hooked me up with Dave's Garden 'cause I just love it!!
Becky, I just found this thread and your work and efforts are very clear in your dedication to growing those beautiful moring glorys.
I love your containers and your other flower pictures as well. That coral vine does look like it has a heart shape, by the way.
I think part of our love / fascination with JMG is due to the fact that one can never be 100% sure what the flowers will look like when you plant the seed. It is like telling your parents as a kid, that you want this, this and that for your birthday, and on the day you start opening your present, full of excitement, but not knowing exactly what will be inside. I like the feeling of anticipation I have every morning, not being sure what will be waiting for me on the vines... I suspect it is the child in me that just can't get enough of growing MGs, especially crosses and OP seeds. LOL!
SO, thank you for every seed you send / sent me as they are much appreciated, and treated as a capsule of magic.
Thanks, Elsa and Dany! That Blue Speckled is an unusual blooming vine for sure! I, too, like it! I just wish it had much larger blooms! The blooms are only 3 - 3 1/2" diameter.
This is what I am afraid is going to happen from the F2 seeds. This bloom showed up on the vine today! I may do a grow-out now ... of say 10-15 seeds to see what I get. I would be very interested to know if many or few seeds produce blooms like the F1 has. How very disappointing it would be for anyone getting the F2 seeds to have blooms that don't exhibit the speckles. It is the speckles that make it such a neat looking vine!
Elsa - You are right about no 100% guarantee of knowing what we will get from a seed. Unfortunately, I have limited space to grow MGs every year. I have personal preferences and that's what I want to see grow and bloom. There has been many times I have grown a seed thinking it would have some amazing traits such as the F1 vine had, only to be disappointed to get a solid color bloom instead. I like getting similar vines/blooms as someone's beautiful bloom post that made me want it in the first place! I don't know how many others here feel the same way, but it's a personal preference for me. MGs are all beautiful in their own way!
I wished that gardener2005 was still a member here so I could get more information about her grow-outs to get the desired traits in any new cultivar/hybrid. She has her family and other interests and told me that she doesn't really have the time for forums anymore. I truly understand. There are days when I think I spend entirely too much time on my computer. So now it is my decision whether I want to try my hand at creating a stable new cultivar/hybrid.
This community here on the MG Forum (and actually DG as a whole) is like an extended community of family and friends. I can honestly say that most of the people I've met here (and on other forums, too) have been very helpful, kind, and generous. And like many friendships ... people come and go in my life, but some folks stay a part of it far longer than I ever expected. I've made some close friends here and hope to continue sharing our love for life and for MGs ... I enjoy a little humor thrown in, maybe sharing some personal insight about ourselves, and even corresponding off the forums. Who'd have ever thought when the first computer was built that it would become a social network for people to share their lives and common interests! Y'all ROCK!!! Thanks for giving me such a wonderful ride! I hope to share many more with you in the future!
I was trying to find the bottom of it this am, Becky, but it got too hot and I had to come in. I will keep looking, I have a tag for each seed planted, but the mulch is covering them up. Pretty sure it is supposed to be a Mauve Splash. Will let you know what I found.
Blue Speckles is one of my favorites this season too Dany
Becky, I love the bloom you think folks would be disappointed to find each morning. I think its wonderful in every way. :-)
I thought I had sent this post already, wonder where it went?
Debra - I have no idea! Let's see what the next blooms produce. It's really pretty and I like the blending at the ends of the petals. Definitely different and quite lovely!
Jackie - Well, the disappointment with Blue Speckles may be that the bloom from the seeds might produce solid blue blooms instead of the cool speckles. I think everyone likes it for the speckles, so it would be a disappointment to be just a solid blue color!
My Silver Wolf vine is barely alive but is still producing one or two blooms a day. It turned out to be almost sterile. Few seeds. I will grow out the couple that I got and hope for better luck on the next grow out with them.
Today one of the blooms on the vine was most interesting! It had not one, but two relatively large flags coming from the throat. It looked more like a carnation or peony bloom to me than a MG. Sure wished it had produced more seeds!
Thanks everyone! It was definitely an odd bloom today. I can't believe the vine is still alive. And these weird blooms must be coming from somewhere in the genetic background of these cultivars. I wonder if this might have come from Kyushu University. I saw one on their website with flowers like the normal Silver Wolf blooms from last year's grow-outs. Interesting, huh?
Silver Wolf definitely takes first prize this year. An absolute winner!
The cactus seeds has a sad story to it: the first batch got drowned by the gardener, and then the second sowing was poisoned by him, using weedkiller to get rid of some weeds in between the paving bricks. Needless to say he has been banished from my garden apart from cutting the grass. I don't use any poisons, so it was not received well...
And this one is a cross from this Spring. It is Full Moon (Yukon) which is a pale yellow bloom crossed with Blue Speckles. This is the 3rd bloom on this new vine. None of the blooms are opening completely. So ... not sure what the deal is with that!
The bad thing is that the yellow bloom color is a recessive gene in this cross. The blooms are white (not yellow) with the blue speckles. The seeds came from Full Moon. It was a partially sterile vine. No pollen production and so I had to cross it with pollen from another MG. I was warned that the Yellow Moon tended to be sterile. It's true, unfortunately. It will be interesting to see what the F2 will produce from the seeds of this vine. Will the yellow show up, will the speckles return, or will it produce something else entirely. THAT is the question!
Becky, that Silver Wolf looks great. It will be interesting to see the Hanafubuki x Blue Tie Dye (from parks) cross's next flowers...
Is Full Moon the name of a I. nil? Lots of people are crossing many speckles with the Kikyo's.. as you can see, they generated a whole bunch of interest from several growers.
Elsa, let me know if you need more seeds, some of the Golden Barrel cactus have fruit on them now. Sorry that happened to you. How did the gourds do?
By the way Becky, all of my plumeria bit the dust this year too.. I still have 4 or 5 Clematis and all the passies are goners too.
Jackie - Me, too! Here is a photo of the bloom from Full Moon x Blue Speckles. It is creating a beautiful large white bloom with blue speckles. I am curious to see what the F1 looks like from this cross.
Gourd - Your Hanafubuki x Blue Tie Dye cross is wonderful! I'll post a photo here next! So sorry to hear that you lost a lot of your plants this past winter, too! We had such a cold, cold winter for Florida! I lost all my passifloras too. This year I am growing them in containers. Will move them to the garage if need be!
I've started 15 seeds in cups in the plastic bins! One cup has a Silver Wolf seed in it. Today I saw one of the seeds sprout already! The 15 seeds are from the Blue Speckles vine. I want to see how many of the vines produce speckled flowers. This is a grow-out to stablize the speckled blooms. I hope I can get a couple of vnes that have those same blue speckled flowers on them!
Martin - The dark leaves are the result of rust. The rust is actually the orange color clusters on some of the leaves. You can see it if you look closely at the photo. Rust forms on the underside of the leaves.
Thanks to everyone for the kind compliments on my blooms! It is a joy to go through the garden every morning! I feel like Debra ... I may just have to be late for work when I go back in a week! LOL!
Here are some new blooms from today...
This is Antoinette's large Chocolate Blizzard ... which I like the name Blushing Bride for this one! It is really a beautiful bloom!
Oh, be still my heart... Please save me a couple of seed for the Full Moon x Blue Speckles if you get some... I've got that fertilizer on my list for Sat or Sun and will get you one when I get mine.. They should have some on the shelves here and maybe it is on sale, if it is, I'll grab a couple for you.
Gosh, I can hardly wait to start some for this winter..
A - I hope to get seeds from that bad boy! The Blue Speckles was a great seed maker! So hopefully those genetics will pass along on the cross, as Full Moon was a stingy seed producer and I had to cross it to get the seeds I did from it! :-/
I cant even begin to compete with that Becky, both in terms of quantity and quality but I'm trying in my first year.
Soon I will post my result for the year, until then I wish everybody the success I seem to have enjoyed!
I owe a great deal to some of the help and advice I have received and I thank you all for that.
We've had our ups and downs, but hey that's gardening for you! Thank you all.
Dany's NOID. Can you see the tiny ant at the entrance to the throat? I wonder what it thinks looking into the throat from that vantage point? I wonder if ants see in color! Can you imagine that if you were that little ant? Crazy, huh?
Thanks! You should get a bright pink bloom! And it bloomed in flushes for me once the vine took off in growth. I really liked the pink a lot! It made lots of seeds, too! :-) But ... you may get a cross ... that's all I'm going to say ! lol Can't wait to see your blooms on that one!
zinniared - Seed swaps, trades, and sharing for postage is where I got most of mine, along with some purchases of Japanese seed packets. If you would like a mixed packet of MG seeds (some nice ones!), then dmail me. I'll send you about 15 seeds (1 each of different cultivars) for postage. :-)
Jackie - I think you are correct!!! That is just the first bloom. I have two containers full of that plant. It's going to be beautiful when they all start blooming. My Fall bloomers!
Gourd - Yes! You are correct. Japanese seed packs can be obtained from Onalees and that is where many people get their genuine JMG seeds from. Rather pricey, but usually true cultivars. Thanks for the compliment on my bloom photos. I do see many others here as well with some wonderful cultivars and matching photos! I look forward to your vines next year! You always have such great photos as well and I LOVE your crosses!
You are right - I've posted on other forums but not this one. I just dropped in to see what Becky was growing. I planted a lot of morning glory seeds and only two vines did modestly well (not as good with the manure feed as I should have been - it has been soooooo hot - I have been avoiding the back deck - the only place I can grow the morning glories that the deer won't get to) weeds overtaking everything this year too. And a lot of snakes and mosquitos which sort of takes the motivation out of me. But happy to see everyone elses blooms. Next year I will try again.
Dorothy, every yr we deal with weeds, snakes and mosquitoes. Lets hope
next yr we don't have this record breaking heat to deal with. Kept me from
planting all I wanted to plant from seeds. It's all I can do to water everything.
Becky, they are all lovely! I don't have but a few growing this year, planted only minimal amount of seeds. Am thankful for that though, many of my plants are "fried" because of our awfully hot July and August.
BTW...are any of your daylily seedlings that are blooming from the daylily seeds I sent you? Were you able to keep track of the crosses I sent? Just curious.
Hi Sandy! I hear ya about the heat this summer! It's been awful!!!
As far as the daylily seedlings ... I was not able to keep track of which ones and who they were from, but I am positive that many of them were from YOU! The seeds came from you and Karla. I only received seeds from the two of you. She believes most of the ones from her were the Spider Daylilies. So many of the others are yours. I don't know how many of them will return next year, but I believe most will. Fingers crossed. I'd been reading that even though some grow from seedlings and do well the first couple of years, that they often wind up dying due to climate. That is yet to be determined here. Hopefully, the daylilies are happy here and come back year after year. :-)
Are you still growing daylilies? I know the year before you had some problems getting your seeds to germinate. I got lucky and had great success with your seeds that same year. Again, I thank you for all of those beauties!!! I know a large number of them were your crossed seeds! :-)
Out of the 15 seeds I sowed of Blue Speckles, only 4 have germinated. I think it might be the high humidity here causing a problem. Two of the 4 just recently germinated, so I don't think the seeds rotted. They are just taking their sweet time.
One of the vines is really odd looking. Check it out.
Becky, the dominant and recessive characteristics are starting to come out in this generation... it will be interesting what the next generation will bring. Great job, some seeds need more time to germinate then others, and some seed coats are harder than others too.
Out of the 107 seeds I started (nicked and soaked) last Sunday, 101 have germinated within the first few days and they all have their first true leaf...I am so excited.
Becky, do you remember have we had a thread on the lines of: The ideal MG potting mix...? If not, I would be very interested in starting one,
hoping, of course, that people would share their secrets...
I haven't found the perfect potting mix. Here in hot and humid Florida ... I need a mix that hold moisture. Which is why I happen to like the Moisture Control potting mix by MiracleGro. But to make it go further (as it is a bit expensive), I had pine fines, perlite, vermiculite, compost, and whatever else I can find to throw in there.
Has anyone used coffee grinds? If so, how did the plants respond? I'm making my dh save all his coffee grinds...
Hey Becky, I use coffee grounds in all my pots and gardens. It is a good slug.snail killer and rich in nutrients. Thhose leaves remind me of some of mine, on several plants, which had mites and lack of iron. Once I got rid of the mites and gave them Multi B with Iron water, they straightened right out. B vitamins the multi kind with Iron, one tab in a jug of water. Is like a super thrive, only cheaper. I get my vitamins at the dollar general. I use Kens mix and a little soap for the mites.
I use the cheapest potting soil on sale, add pine mulch pieces ( just a few) , compost, perlite, coffee grounds, sand and a little Kansas Clay, and a dolap of neem oil, for my potting mix, and now I add some mosquito dunk ground up to the soil, since I am getting ready to bring them into the house. There is a soap spray at DG that is organic and safe and five bucks, to spray the surface of the pots with, and there is a granular DG brand of osmotecote I add in too.Bloom Buster is too strong in Posphates for my brugs, so I use a general even number for the fertilizer. It is too hard for me to make a special mix for each type plant I grow. I like bugs that I can see, just not the ones in the ground, that eat up the roots and things.
Well, thought I would post the 4 vines of the Blue Speckles (F2) that came from my summer vine. Out of 15 seeds, only 4 germinated. I also tried to start some indoors recently and neither of them germinated either. So ... I won't be sharing seeds of this mutant this year it appears. :-(
But I thought I would show you what the 4 seedlings look like. They had dropped all their leaves (except the cactus gene plant) and as you can now see, have regrown new leaves and are starting to bloom again. One has a bloom today. It was white with blue speckles on the outer edge of the flower. The bloom didn't open all the way because of the rain, so I didn't bother to take a photo.
These all came from the same parent vine. I did not cross any of the blooms on that vine either. This has been the most difficult seeds to germinate, but it has almost been the most interesting F2 seeds I've ever grown. Take a look at how different the vines and/or the blooms are. Two of the vines look very similar, but the blooms are quite different. One has the speckles on the bloom and the other produces an off-white solid color bloom. The cactus has the speckles too. The one with the densely variegated leaves has not bloomed yet. I am interested to see what the blooms look like on that one! They all look so different that it is hard to believe they all came from the same parents! LOL! Sorta like me and my siblings. We look like a Heinz 57 ... mutts! A little of everything, but none matching! LOL!
I do a lot of MG seed trading and also share for postage. Not sure how many folks have found a love for MG vines over the years who I have traded with. I know some species of MGs can be a bit fussy. In cooler regions of the country (and the world), they may take forever to bloom. Often they don't last long enough to produce ripe seeds. In warmer climates they bloom quickly and often produce seeds as well. But the warmer regions also have the bugs and diseases that can quickly destroy a MG vine. I know many folks who have tried I. nils and I. purpureas. They prefer I. purpureas because they often come back (volunteers) if they manage to make seeds. I. nils tend to be the vines that require more effort and are even a little more expensive to grow since they need good soil and fertilizer to bloom. They are also more expensive to purchase. I know folks who give away baggies of I. purpurea seeds that would be enough to grow out for the rest of my life! LOL! Whereas, I. nil seeds seem to produce less seeds and often don't come back as volunteers like the I. purpureas do.
I suppose I. nils are good business for some seed companies. I wonder how much competition there is between the different seed selling companies and small seed businesses? As far as I. nils go, it seems the Japanese still have the best selections of true cultivars. I know a lot of folks here in the USA make crosses, but how often do they come true? I know it can take years to stabilize a cross to create a new cultivar. Are MGs really in demand these days? Or are we just a few gardeners who happen to like MGs? I know a LOT of folks that love clematis or roses or daylilies or orchids, but how big is the demand for MG cultivars and species? Are MG vines a growing movement or will they play second or third fiddle or none at all in most people's gardens? Anyone care to guess or give your opinion?
It's ironic ... when I talk to folks these days, they are more interested in veggie and fruit seeds instead of ornamental flowering plants of any kind. Maybe a sign of the current economy? Most the gardeners I know locally have "maybe" grown MG vines but most never at all. Some are interested, others just laugh when I mention MGs. I wonder if MGs will ever become a focal point in most gardens in the future? What do you think? I know I really enjoy them, but I have discovered here in humid Florida that I now have to grow them seasonally or indoors. Between the rust fungus and the beetles, the I. nil vines don't last very long unless it is Spring, dry, and cool enough to keep the bugs & fungus away. What do you think? Will MGs become well known and grown in gardens across the USA or even around the world? Or are they unlikely to gain popularity? Are there many newbies out there who are truly interested in growing MGs? I've had a lot of newbies request seeds for postage and then never heard from them again. I wonder whether they grew the seeds, whether they enjoyed the vines or not, and if they are still growing them every year or for some reason gave up on growing them?
Mgs are a very popular choice for the Japanese you see them in every street. They are often grown as a sun screen in front of the main windows of houses, even our local fire station puts on a superb display with vines reaching 30 feet at the front of the building. All my neighbors grow some in their gardens to create shade and privacy, a very useful plant indeed! One newbie that grows them, loves them and will continue growing them!
Jon - I agree with you whole-heartedly about MGs probably being grown in just about every garden in Japan. They are far from common here in the USA. They haven't seemed to have caught on here. Which is too bad. I think most people believe they are invasive vines and therefore keep their distance from them or avoid growing them. I. purpureas do have that reputation for producing lots of volunteers.
I grew Sweet Autumn Clematis this year in the ground for the first time. My two vines had always grown in pots. They seem to like climbing the mini pergola. And they bloomed like crazy for me earlier in late summer. Apparently the pollinators liked the blooms this year because they are now loaded with fluffy seeds. I hope I don't wind up with a ton of volunteers! LOL!
I just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoy seeing everyone's blooms and gardens each year! And I appreciate all the seed trades whether I grow them right away or later. So many seeds, so little space and time...
I am NO expert when it comes to knowing all about MGs, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate growing them and enjoying them! Does anyone have to be an "expert" to grow MGs? No. Most of us grow them because we love them. What can I say? They are beautiful plants!
I've shared seeds with so many people over the years! And many people here have generously shared with me. Antoinette, Dany, and Collin have shared some really unique and rare MG seeds with me and I really appreciate that! (As do the people who I share the seeds with from my first grow-outs of those vines.) Helena, Jackie, Darren, Karen2005, and Ronnie have shared many seeds that I was looking for. Debra has shared some awesome plants and so many neat seeds! There are so many others here, too ... I appreciate everything each and every one of you have sent me in trades and just sharing with me! IMHO, all of the crosses have been outstanding! This group of gardeners are some of the most generous and kind folks I've met online! Thanks to each and every one of you! :-)
Here's to future vines and blooms ... and this wonderful community of gardeners!!! You are each glorious in your own special way! :-)
Hey y'all, long time, no hear, this is a very interesting thread with discussion about stablizing hybrids. I'm very excited about my F2 grow-out that I want to try this season, The F2 of my 3 way cross, (early call pink x early call blue) x pink and white speckled NOID. I cannot wait to see all the variation I come across with this F2. I also want to do an F2 grow-out of Akatsuki no Umi x Early call pink. May have lots of suprises!
-Becky, I just love your silver wolf, what a piece of eye candy:-)
Becky, you and several others here have been so generous to me also, I don't know how to thank you all. Jackie, Helena, several others, thank you all. I don't trade that much anymore, but love growing these beautiful flowers. Hopefully I'll have more crosses to trade at the end of this coming season. It is mind boggling to think of the possibilities in creating these crosses, you never know what you will get, you can only imagine.
I have a feeling this is going to be a great year for all of us.
All your blooms are beautiful! I have a question, I have a morning glory I need identified and so far no 1 on Dave's has been able to help me so maybe you can.
The blooms are lavender with 5 pink rays, blooms range from 2 inches to 2 1/2 inches and it climbed about 5-6 feet and it came up from last years seeds. The leaves are heart shaped. I pulled up some vines from a friends house and they did great.
I love the color of this bloom.