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UncleGreenthumb
New Matamoras, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 1, 2010
6:25 AM

Post #8010491

Down along the driveway and scattered up the hillside are these plants the butterflies are nectaring on.. Can anyone identify the plant? Every so often I see a hummingbird on them also, but it's the butterflies that seem more attracted to them..

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lybzephyr
Grovetown, GA

August 1, 2010
7:38 AM

Post #8010629

Looks like joe-pye weed to me. One of the best butterfly plants I have ever found- I love mine.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 1, 2010
9:40 AM

Post #8010906

I am counting 10 bfs in that picture! Super butterfly magnet.
tabasco
Cincinnati (Anderson, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 1, 2010
4:56 PM

Post #8011797


That's pretty neat. I have never seen a Joe Pye W. so adorned!

I wonder if that one has especially juicy nectar...?

Mine seem to go unnoticed...maybe the wrong variety?
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 2, 2010
4:20 AM

Post #8012602

I would like to get some Joe Pye-Weed. Does anyone know a source for it??? Would appreciate it.
UncleGreenthumb
New Matamoras, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 2, 2010
9:23 AM

Post #8013157

Thanks lybzephyr. The whole side of the drive is loaded with it..

Sheila , your eyes must be better than mine... I got to nine and couldn't find the tenth!!! haa!!

tabasco. My guess would be the wrong variety.. After getting the id from lybzepher I searched it out and found that there were a few different varieties... This must be the wild type..

hemlady, I'll see if I can collect some seed this fall and if you want I will send you some.. That goes for anyone else that might want to try and grow this... Should be plenty of seed I would think with all the pollinating going on..

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UncleGreenthumb
New Matamoras, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 2, 2010
9:24 AM

Post #8013161

One more..

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hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 2, 2010
9:37 AM

Post #8013197

That would be great. Thanks!!!!
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

August 2, 2010
10:09 AM

Post #8013286

It's probably 'Gateway' Joe Pye Weeds mine get about 7-8' tall in the field I have one plant against the house and trim it back so it only gets about 4' the butterflies do love them I have the Tigers and Black Swallowtails on them constantly :) They are easy to WS that's how I planted mine just pitched some seed in and scattered some dirt on top not thick just enough to hold the seeds down:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/57520/

Good luck!
cedar18
Lula, GA
(Zone 7b)

August 2, 2010
10:20 AM

Post #8013308

I have 2 plants of Joe Pye "Carin" and 2 of the species that I dug from the roadside. The only difference I can see is that Carin is a bit shorter: 8 ft here instead of the 10 ft the species gets. BFs love them both. They are my best butterfly magnets, too. With various tall Phlox and 'Blue Fortune' Hyssop blooming next to the Joe Pyes, the BFs prefer the "weed." This pic is "Carin" last year.

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Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 3, 2010
6:45 AM

Post #8015141

Wonderful shots you two. If I have more than three in a picture I feel double blessed!

This message was edited Aug 15, 2010 1:07 PM
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 15, 2010
11:54 AM

Post #8041470

Uncle ... I would LOVE to have some of those seed! ! !

LeBug... what is WS? Still learning acronyms here

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 15, 2010
12:10 PM

Post #8041489

Crit...that was short for winter sow...she was discussing the JPW (Joe Pye Weed) plants.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

August 15, 2010
4:53 PM

Post #8041927

Yes Crit, WS is winter sowing it's easy, there is a whole forum on WS if you are wanting to try it :)

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/coldsow/all/

BTW see you are new to DG's Welcome!


Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 18, 2010
6:09 PM

Post #8048379

Thanks LeBug. I'm thrilled I found this sight. I just googled and picked this one! Think I made a good choice. :-))
UncleGreenthumb
New Matamoras, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 19, 2010
6:21 PM

Post #8050453

hemlady, Crit;.

DM me you mailing addresses.. Some of these seed will be ready soon... I'll send them out as soon as I get them collected... If anyone else would like some, theres going to be plenty too go around! I should be able to start harvesting them in about a week...


Dave
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 20, 2010
4:27 AM

Post #8051177

Dave, thanks for the offer but I actually managed to get a Joe Pye Weed the other day. I went to the farm market to get some veggies and they had all their perennials for 2.50. I am very happy that I was able to get one but my daughter just frowned at me and said
"Mom, do you know how big these things get?" I said no, but I'll deal with it, lol.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 20, 2010
4:56 AM

Post #8051208

THANKS. DM sent to you

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 20, 2010
11:56 AM

Post #8051962

Very nice of you to offer those.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 20, 2010
6:20 PM

Post #8052642

What a sweetie... huh?
UncleGreenthumb
New Matamoras, OH
(Zone 6a)

August 21, 2010
11:51 AM

Post #8053811

Glad you found some hemlady;,

Yes, they can get tall!! I noticed if they are growing amongst other tall plants, they will grow above them.. They seem to want to be the tallest plant in the area... I have some Iron weed in one area and they are taller than those..


Dave

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 21, 2010
11:55 AM

Post #8053819

I love the ironweed and frostweed for the butterflies, but they do get tall. I try to start pruning them back early on so it will bush them out and they won't get extremely tall. I am assuming the JPW will take pruning early on as well?
cathy4
St. Louis County, MO
(Zone 5a)

September 10, 2010
8:38 PM

Post #8092094

I'd wet my pants to have that many butterflies on one bush, how wonderful, wish I had a yard big enough for that bush. Wow!
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

September 11, 2010
8:30 AM

Post #8092814

hemlady, you can wait until your joe pye weed gets a couple foot tall next year and trim them back I just cut the tips of them off then they don't get as tall and big around that's what I do with mine against the house takes them a little longer to bloom that way but not that much of a difference :) They only get about half the size that way.
willowwind
Moundridge, KS
(Zone 6a)

September 11, 2010
6:57 PM

Post #8093667

I'm so excited to have stumbled onto this thread...just random reading...as I just bought a 'Gateway' Joe Pye Weed this morning at our local arboretum plant sale. Now, after reading your enthusiastic endorsements and seeing the beautiful photos, I can't wait for mine to grow. Is full sun best or does a little afternoon shade help? I live in the country so it can be pretty windy, and Kansas does get hot!!! Also, I did happen to see Joe Pye Seed listed in looking through seeds on the Swallowtail Seed website. I didn't read up on it at the time, so I don't know what kind, but I think they do often carry good butterfly varieties. Thanks for making my day!

This message was edited Sep 11, 2010 7:58 PM
janaestone
(Di) Seven Mile, OH
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2010
9:58 AM

Post #8096684

My JPW is in full sun here and does wonderful - even after the horrific summer we've had here it's blooming just fine and looking pretty. I have three plants of it now. The first one I planted two years ago and small starts appeared last spring so I put those where I wanted and now all three look great. Such an easy plant to care for and the butterflies lose their minds over it.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 14, 2010
4:27 AM

Post #8098177

Dave,

Have you collected any of your seed yet? I DM'd you my address a while back.

Thanks so much ! ! !
UncleGreenthumb
New Matamoras, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 16, 2010
8:11 AM

Post #8102100

Hi Crit;,,

Just got back from the postoffice ... Harvested seed yesterday... Sent them first class and heading in everyones direction this morning while in town.. Sorry for the delay. Been busy putting up another greenhouse...


Dave

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 16, 2010
9:54 AM

Post #8102258

(((hugs!))))
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 17, 2010
7:00 PM

Post #8105061

Oohhhhhhhhh ... THANKS so much! ! ! I'll be waiting on the mail man everyday until they come. :-)) You're a gem. (((((Dave)))))
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 17, 2010
7:13 PM

Post #8105075

I have a question about the black swallowtails. I had tons of them in the spring and summer. It seems the last 4-6 weeks they have all disappeared. It seems awfully early for them to be disappearing. Anyone have an idea where they might of gone?

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 18, 2010
1:47 PM

Post #8106208

Got my seeds Dave...thanks for being so generous!! I will no doubt have some going by next summer.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 18, 2010
5:57 PM

Post #8106566

Guess I'd better go check my mail box ! ! ! :-))
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 18, 2010
6:03 PM

Post #8106579

:-( Nope, not yet. Maybe Monday or Tuesday. Hope, hope, hope.
LeBug
Greenville, IN
(Zone 6a)

September 19, 2010
5:46 PM

Post #8108449

Crit my butterflies are slowing down now too they are getting ready to migrate I'm sure about the only ones I have left are the spicebush swallowtail and monarchs, I think the only reason I have the monarchs is because I had so many cats and still finding smaller ones I still have some BST cats too but haven't seen the butterflies lately.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 22, 2010
6:16 PM

Post #8115232

Dave,
The seeds you sent to me still have not arrived. Are you sure you got me in the group of mailings? I would think they would be here since Sheila in Ft. Worth got hers Saturday. :-(
UncleGreenthumb
New Matamoras, OH
(Zone 6a)

September 28, 2010
4:31 PM

Post #8126536

Crit;,

I'll send out another bunch... I sent the last ones a week ago Friday.. Something must of happened to them.. I'm sure I wrote the right address on the envelope.. I double checked the addresses before I took them to the post office...


Dave

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 28, 2010
4:47 PM

Post #8126575

Look between the seats in your car, etc. I have swore a bill was paid only to find on the way to the PO in fell in the cracks.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

October 5, 2010
6:07 PM

Post #8139968

Dave,

I received the Joe Pye seeds. Thank you ever so much! ! ! The others never did show up. I can't wait to grow this plant! ! ! ! Is it spring yet????? :-))
donlaclair
New Port Richey, FL
(Zone 9b)

October 14, 2010
4:33 PM

Post #8156307

Dave,
Do you have anymore of those great looks plants seeds? I'd love some if possible.
Don LaClair
UncleGreenthumb
New Matamoras, OH
(Zone 6a)

October 28, 2010
4:45 AM

Post #8180875

Crit;
Ah good, glad the second one made it.. Might want to put them in the frig for a few weeks.. Not sure if those need stratified or not.

Sheila;.
To funny, I thought about that to.

Don;,
Send me a dmail with your address.. I still have some left I can send..

Dave
mgarr
Hanover Twp., PA
(Zone 6a)

October 28, 2010
5:58 AM

Post #8180979

What's up with the butterflies this year. Here is another Monarch flying around looking for food October 26th? Has anyone else noticed butterflies around this late. I live in zone 5B.

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Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 28, 2010
6:12 AM

Post #8181005

You guys have had unseasonably warm temps up there haven't you? The mid west is getting some cold fronts right now and it is pushing the Monarchs down in droves!
mgarr
Hanover Twp., PA
(Zone 6a)

October 28, 2010
6:29 AM

Post #8181031

Usually they start heading south by the beginning of Sept.
EFGeorgia1
Lizella, GA
(Zone 8a)

November 1, 2010
6:26 PM

Post #8189323

Send them my way,,, although it will be cold here too this weekend...

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 1, 2010
8:57 PM

Post #8189619

I was in the back of the yard working in the shade yesterday when I was buzzed by a Brazillian Skipper...I watched it for a moment and it appeared to lay eggs. Sure enough I looked at the canna leaf and saw the egg! I don't know when they quit weather wise, but seems it won't be too long and the food source will be gone. I found one that had made it's pupa and took it to my emerging cage to see how long it would take to eclose. I got a picture but it is somewhere on a disc and not on the computer yet.
This is an old cracked birdbath I painted, the sun was shinning on it really pretty. Didn't realize it also had a Red Admiral sunning itself too.

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Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 1, 2010
9:01 PM

Post #8189623

I had a garden full of Monarchs, Queens, Am Ladies (3), Sulphur, and more skippers than I could count. I couldn't get it the sun to take pictures so had to be content to stay on the deck and watch them. They were all over the asters and W TX Mistflower. A few stopped on the Frostweed and zinnas too. They were having a feeding freenzy!
I got a couple thanks to long lens cameras.

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Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 1, 2010
9:04 PM

Post #8189628

I also got this one of a open winged skipper...maybe a common checker. I haven't looked it up to id for sure yet.

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Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 1, 2010
9:07 PM

Post #8189632

ooopps! I thought I was on the daily bf thread...sorry for rambling.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

November 2, 2010
4:53 PM

Post #8191039

I see a lot of mention of the W. TX Mistflower. Does anyone have any seed or starts they could send my way?

THX!

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 2, 2010
9:13 PM

Post #8191486

Dmail me your addy Crit, and I will send you some. They are making seeds now. I will also include some plant roots too that may survive and take hold. You might go ahead and set them out and sow some seeds now and in the spring. Once you get them going they will reseed themselves. They tend to flop, so don't plant them along on a walkway.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

November 3, 2010
4:22 AM

Post #8191738

THANK YOU Sheila. Sending you a dmail now.

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