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I am hosting another Tomato and Pepper seed swap that will include members from a few different forums. I wanted to post this a bit early so you had time to collect seeds or place an order.
Here are the guidelines we will follow for this swap (Note - they differ slightly from last year):
1) Seeds must be received by me no later than November 15th, so I recommend you mail your envelope no later than November 1. Please note that I live in Canada.
You can send "named varieties" of tomatoes or peppers (or both). Do not include mixes or seeds labeled "granny's mystery mix" or unnamed bell peppers or anything like that. I cannot, in fairness, send mixed or unknown packs of seed back to people that followed the instructions and only sent in "named varieties".
If you are sending hybrid seeds to exchange, only F1 seeds from a commercial source are acceptable. Do not send in seeds you have collected from a hybrid plant. They will not grow true to the original parent plant. If you are unsure if the seed you have collected is from a hybrid, please do your research online before mailing in your seeds.
2) A minimum of 10 seeds per packet. A maximum of 5 packets of the same seed. An overall maximum of 40 packets per person.
Please ensure seed packets are clearly marked with the name, and whether they are heirloom, OP (Open Pollinated), or F1 hybrid seeds. If you are sending pepper seeds, it would help me a great deal with sorting if you could indicate on the packages if the peppers are sweet or hot as many individuals in the last swap had clear preferences. If seeds are from a commercial source, please note that as well.
3) If you send tomato seeds, you will receive tomato seeds in return. The same idea for peppers, unless you include a note indicating you want something different in return. You can also send in tomato seeds and ask for pepper seeds in return or visa versa, or any combination. I fully expect a large variety and volume of seed types to be able to accommodate this.
4) Please include a list of what you are sending, your wish list and if there are any seeds you do not want to receive. It is very important to take the time to write out a list of what you are sending, otherwise I have to do it for you and I do not have time for that. If you are only interested in heirloom or OP, please tell me that as well. I will try my best to accommodate your wish list, but there are no guarantees of course. The variety will be completely dependent on what is sent in. In last year's swap, we were able to fill many items on people's wish lists so please take the time to prepare one - it will be worth your while.
5) You will need to mail your seeds inside a bubble envelope with a return label inside, along with the correct amount of return postage. I will reuse your original bubble envelope to send your surprise seeds back to you. Return postage rates are as follows:
* If you live in Canada - $1.22 return postage stamps
* If you live in the US - $2.10 (CAD or US$) (includes tax)
* If you live outside Canada and US - $4.20 (CAD or US$) (includes tax)
All postage rates can be verified on the Canada Post website. For those outside of Canada, you will need to send enough funds to pay for return postage. You can either send concealed cash in the envelope or you could submit payment for postage via Paypal. Please DO NOT send stamps from your country. They will not work here in Canada :)
It's important that you send a regular bubble envelope and not the heavy cardboard insulated type. Weight restriction in this price category is 100g.
6) If you change your mind after registering, and no longer wish to participate, PLEASE notify me immediately so we do not delay the swap waiting for your seeds to arrive. This will also save me a great deal of time trying to follow up and track people down.
7) I will d-email you privately with my mailing address once you have posted here to sign up for this swap. My address can also be found in the DG address exchange.
Any questions. Please let me know. Let's have fun exchanging seeds !!!!
Quoting:I thought it would be fun if I reserved this spot to keep you up to date on the number of participants.
Glad you can join us everyone. This is shaping up to be a huge exchange. We've only been taking signups for a couple of days and we have 55 registered so far. Many more to come I'm sure.
I've sent everyone a private d-mail with further information. Please let me know if you have any questions.
By the way...I was asked if there's any minimum seed count to participate. Definitely not. Everyone has to start somewhere and even if you only have a couple of seed packs to send in, it will be worth your while. This exchange is a great way to expand your collection.
Please add me to your list as well this year. Thank you for doing this again. I am so enjoying the harvests from some of last year's seeds I got in the exchange.
This year I will have to send only be able to send commercial heirloom seed as I have been away a total of 6 weeks out of this summer so never had a chance to bag them when they started to flower and it is too late in the season now. Anything I bag probably wouldn't ripen in time here. I had even bought all the material to bag them! Well next year is another one.
I will be needing determinate varieties. Are there many and do they come in yellow and orange also? I am having to scale back to square foot and container gardening. Tried the indeterminate maters in the containers and it was a mess.
I'm doing the "scale of Justice" thing... Organized/Nuts, Organized/Nuts, Organized/Nuts! Joking, of course! I am totally in awe. I've seen swaps half this side reduce the organizers to tears, and have lived in fear of doing one myself. One year of hosting a Secret Santa swap was enough for me!
Blessings to you with a more solid constitution, that we may have such fun. I'm already making my lists and packing my seeds, though!
I think the distributing is definitely the fun part - what I hate most of all is packaging the seeds. That's why I pretty much stopped doing multiple trades. I get tense and it kind of sucks the fun out of it. This is cool, though, because we have so much time to get it done. If I start getting crazy, I can stop and come back to it tomorrow or next week, even!
And all this time to anticipate! Better'n Christmas!!!
I like allowing lots of time for the exchange as well. It allows for a lot more people to join and I get seeds in the mail at a fairly steady pace. So I can take my time sorting and recording a few envelopes at a time.
It seems to go pretty smoothly...so far (fingers crossed).
Surprisingly not that bad, I have tasted much worse. I heard that they did not taste good at all so I was expecting a real spitter! I have been adding them with others in my salsa and also my tomato and cucumber salads, but if I want a tomato sandwich I would probably not pick that one when I have so many other big heirlooms out there just hollering for the mayo. LOL
Lisa and Patti ~ Yes it is OSU Blue. One bush did not get the same coloring so I have emailed the person to see if they are the original seeds or ones she saved from them, as they may not come true from seed.
Can Medusa Pepper seeds be used in the trade? They are ornamental but edible, just wondering because these are seeds I saved myself and I'm sure they didn't cross because they are the only peppers that I have in the house ATM. They are viable I just started some.
It is my understanding that Medusa is a hybrid. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but everything I've reasearched says they are a hybrid).
I wouldn't send in seeds you have collected from a hybrid plant (as per exchange guidelines), as the plant may not grow true to the original. We are only accepting f1 hybrid seeds that are commercially purchased in this exchange, as the recipient can be sure they are going to get what they're supposed to.
Rick, welcome aboard. Commercial varieties are always welcome. Because we have people participating from around the globe, what might be common in one part of the country, is probably less common somewhere else. It's a great way to expand your collection. I'll send you a private d-mail shortly with more info.
I would be happy to trade several packets for one, and collect some cherry tomatoes, especially cool-summer tomatoes if there is such a thing. We have a long frost-free season in western Washington, but the warm part of the summer can be very short and not very hot.
I found some oddities from "Botanical Interests". They're odd to me, anyway.)
All but the "Ornamental Pepper on a Stick" are "heirlooms".
Tomato Bush "Green Zebra" BI # 0106
Tomato Bush "Silvery Fir Tree BI # 3104
Tomato Pole "Aunt Ruby's German Green" BI # 3003
Tomato Pole "Black Krim" BI # 3118
Tomato Pole "Speckled Roman" BI # 3090
Tomato Pole "Brandywine Red & Yellow" BI # 3130
Pepper Sweet "California Wonder: BI # 3032
Pepper Sweet "Yolo Wonder" BI # 0057
Ornamental Pepper "Pepper on a Stick" BI # 2020 hybrid?
Heather, thanks for organizing this. I would like to be included. I have mostly commercial varieties to trade and some open poll but I don't think I can save the seed from them because I planted so many varieties too close together. So, I will just trade the commercial ones.
Don't be shy...if you've been sitting on the sidelines debating whether or not to join in...just dive in. This exchange is open to everyone from around the world. There will be lots of great varieties.
We have a few newbies joining us this year as well and I'm really looking forward to introducing them to some great varieties and getting them "hooked" on this obsession we have !!!
Thanks so much for organizing this seed swap, love grape tomatoes and sweet unusual peppers, so I'll be purchasing my seeds to share from the commercial sources. Tomato sandwiches with Hellman's mayo on home made onion dill bread were just SUPERB this year.
Lisa and Patti ~ My seed trader never got back with me on the OSU Blue. I am saving some seeds from the healthiest plant which is extremely prolific. I am thinking of crossing it with a purple tomato as it is red inside, it just has a "blue" suntan, making the skin appear purple...LOL!!
Where the sun does not reach, it is red. Now did that come out right? Whoops! Sorry!! ROFLOL!!!
Corey, could you open the pack and divide by making as many packs as possible with the required 10 seeds in each? Any over the five of one type of one variety that we are allowed to send would just be extras to distribute among the participants.
I agree with Mittsy's suggestion above. You'll get more bang for your buck by splitting the commercial packs into smaller packets/ziplock baggies. You can send up to 5 of the same type of seed. some of those commercial packets could easily break into 5 smaller seed packets. My goal is not not send any duplicates back to any one person, so the more you are able to send in, the more variety you will get in return.
Subdividing sounds good to me. Variety is good. In some cases I got 2 commerical pkts, so I might have 300 mg of some types. i'll just split those into 5 ziplocks, and there will be more than 10 seeds each.
I will try to capture as much text as I can from each seed pkt that describes unique features of that variety, but I won't include any advice that just applies to all tomatoes (or peppers) in general. I figure you guys know all that!
These Botanical Interests seed pkts fill the entire inside of the pkt with text.
I may have to go to a font size smaller than "10". If I decide to fold the label to fit into the ziplock, I might use 2x2" ziplocks instead of 2x3.
And I'll include the "product number" and vendor in each ziplock so recipients can look them up online and see a picture.
If ANYthing I plant survives the rains, cold weather, mold, slugs, cats, heavy clay, squirrels and my clumsiness and lack of time, THEN I may try to show off. Check back with me in the year 2025.
Until then, my Ziplocks will be tidy and verbosely labelled. Besides, I can do that sitting down, at night, and during heavy rain. And the printer at work means you won't have to try to read my handwriting.
I was delighted to learn that I could send commercial seed. My own seed-saver technique is just barely up to Zinnias, Bok Choy, Petunias and Morning Glories.
Has anyone had luck with using ground or sprayed hot peppers or cayenne pepper to repel squirrels or slugs or cats?
I'm about to plant some bulbs, but any time I turn and rake the soil, it looks like a catbox within a day, dug full of holes. I think this is squirrels rather than cats (but we have lots of both, and armies of slugs).
Any suggestion for types of peppers or application methods?
This year I'll buy a big bag of Szechuan or Mexican hot peppers, but next year might try to grow my own crop.
Would I need to re-apply pepper dust or spray every time it rains (almost every day)?
I also just bought 50' of chicken wire (hex netting). I just hope they have enough other food sources that they won't chew through the wire netting. If it's netting plus hot pepper, maybe they will harass my neighbors first.
I've heard good things about Liquid Fence, but re-applying that every time it rains will get expensive.
I have my labels mostly formatted to fit in 2"x3" Ziplocks, double-sided with extracts from the text on the OUTSIDE of the packets.
------------------------------------------------------------------ Green Zebra Tomato
Very flavorful. Sweet yet zingy.
Well-balanced – not too acidic.
Essentially crack free
tennis ball size: 3”, 3 oz
rich, golden green with
forest green stripes
Botanical Interests 2010
--------------------------- Silvery Fir Tree Tomato
slightly tart classic Tomato flavor
Botanical Interests 2010
---------------------------- Sweet Bell Pepper (red)
75 days high yielding
green bell pepper sweetens
& turns red on the vine
can be roasted or
stuffed & baked or
salads or snacks
can be container grown
& picked green or red
Botanical Interests 2010
I'll try to send mine off by the first of the week, I'll have around 20-30 varieties a mix of peppers and tomatoes. I lean heavily towards the blacks and purples but will have some reds and pinks as well.
Partial list below
Neves Azorean Red
Bounty Hybrid (pepper)
Habanero Brown (pepper)
Box Car Willie
Aker's West Virgina
These are all commercial seeds as I don't save my own, most come from either TGS, Bakers Creek or TF.
You were asking for an opinion on the application of hot pepper spray or powder to repel cats and squirrels. I personally don't believe in using this method because what a lot of people don't realize is that this can be very harmful to animals. If a cat or squirrel gets this on their paws and then into their eyes (part of regular cleaning ritual), they can and will literally scratch their eyes out trying to get rid of the burn.
Have you tried mothballs around the perimeter (I know it's not the most environmentally friendly), or bloodmeal (keeps squirrels out, but doubt it would deter cats).
I second Heather's idea. If you use mothballs you can put them in a used plastic soda/water bottle with some holes poked in it and put the top back on. You can even hang the bottle up. By doing this the critters never come in contact with the mothballs.
Pepper spray can be alot of prep work with min. results.
Also, can u keep ur extreme organizational skills to yourself? (teasing)
I'm going to keep how I'm doing mine all to myself. hehe
Thanks Heather. That never occured to me. I had heard it suggested so many times I assumed it was safe - just maybe not effective.
Everyone (including my bosses) tells me that I'm too detail-oriented and want to give too much information. But it seems to me that the ENTIRE rest of the world is wrong and I'm right. EVERONE should be fascinated and delighted by minutia. Sigh (also teasing).
This principle of of illogic was a gift to me during an argument I had with someone about religion. Silly me, I pointed out how almost everyone also used her argument, but came to different conclusions.
Her reply was a real gift, and I want to share it with everyone who is as stubburn as I am, because it's a great comfort:
"What you have to remember is ... they're all wrong!!
I just went to the fruit stand one block from my house. A lot of their fruit comes up from Mexico, and they have LOTs of hot peppers at this time of year.
I got a half pound of smallish but long dark red dried Szechuan-looking peppers. They can't be VERY hot because I chewed a small amount of the flesh and it only hurt a little. I plan to flake them with a coffee grinder and distribute it liberally as flakes (not dust), under chicken netting where only actively invading squirrels can get at it.
I also got two ounces of Guajillo Chile powder. They had three kinds of chile powder, I tried to guess which was hottest and stinkiest through the cellophane. I later found it did have a heavy, musky, ominous odor. I would think twice before burrowing into something that smelled that way from a foot away!
When I brought it to the register, looking all gringo-and-whitebread, he asked if I was using that for cooking, ... and seemed relieved when I said "no, for scaring squirrels. Which of those three chile powders do you think would be best?"
Immediate nod. "That one!"
At this time of year in western WA, it will be easy to sprinkle it only on wet soil, under the wire.
I bought a few very pretty little orange Habanero peppers, if I have escalate past Guajillo Chile powder. I'm drying those innocent-looking babies just in case. If I have to put down flakes of that, I'll find more ways to secure the chicken wire, both to keep squirrels out and keep the Habaneros in. I half-expected to see a bio-hazard label.
I confess that may be more detail than anyone wanted.
Planting daffodils or other "deer resistant" bulbs above the tulips will keep squirrels from
digging too many. If I use pepper, then I put it down with the bulbs since it washes away.
So does bloodmeal when it rains. Best plan is the chicken wire or some use squares of snow fencing
held down by garden staples. I tried baskets over the bulbs one year and the squirrels just dug in from the sides to the plantings. This year I am burying mothballs along with the bulbs. I am hoping this discourages
dogs also, as I have lost several nice plants because of irresponsible dog owners.
I discourage cats by placing tomato wires on their side over new plantings. Citrus rinds are supposed to discourage cats. They work for awhile while the odor of the oranges is there.
>> Planting daffodils or other "deer resistant" bulbs above the tulips will keep squirrels from
digging too many.
Good idea, but for some reason my crocuses, iris and hyacinths were delivered before my daffodils (two different companies).
>> If I use pepper, then I put it down with the bulbs
Good idea. I was also thinking of burying some landmines (hot pepper flakes, maybe even Habanero flakes). That way no animals would be exposed to them unless they were actively digging.
>> This year I am burying mothballs along with the bulbs.
I've heard that suggested several times, but I have a prejudice against aromatic hydrocarbons. Many are toxic or crcinogenic & some are persistent. Old mothballs may contain naphthalene, newer mothballs 1,4-dichlorobenzene Either may have camphor added. despite these being commonly avauilable, they seem to be quite toxic if swallowed - shouldn't the vapor alsdo be toxic?
Yes, aromatic hydrocarbons are toxic. But a small amount from a few garden plantings
should not be all that bad. The diesel engines in trucks probably spew a great deal more.
The naphthalene or 1,2 dichloro benzene sublime very slowly, so only a few milligrams
go into the atmosphere.
Say, is there any trick to drying peppers? I left some habanero peppers in the sun, but rotten spots are spreading and I don't see any wirnkling yet.
Here's a post in another thread on the chemistry and use of chili peppers in warfare.
I agree that gardening probably pollutes 1,000,000 times less than cars and trucks or the chemical industry, but as I say, I have a prejudice against aromatic hydrocarbons, more for their carcinogenicity than toxicty. Toxic things only kill you.
When I worked in the animal room in college, I saw grad students weighing rats and their tumors. Sometimes the tumors were more than 50% of the body weight. When I worked in the chemical industry, I was as careful about carcinogens as sulfuric or nitric acid.
When the "Nutrition and Food Science" department had a picnic, all these PhDs and grad students hovered around a smoky charcoal grill reeking of lighter fluid and burnt hot dogs, discussing their research work on the toxicicity of aromatic hydrocarbons, nitrites and N-nitroso compounds were (smoke & lighter fluid = AH. Hot dogs = nitrites. Scorching nitrites with protein creates N-nitroso compounds).
Corey, about drying peppers - I have always waited until they were ripe (full color), and then string them up with a needle and heavy thread (be sure to leave a good sized knot at the end). I find that it's easiest to leave a little bit of the stem on the pepper, and poke the needle through the thickest part of the stem, where the stem meets the pepper. Thread the peppers loosely, and hang them where they are not touching anything. It should be a dry place, and not in the sun. When I want to use a dry one for cooking, I just break off one from the bottom. I've included a picture of two strings of chiles I've dried in my kitchen. The string on the left is Long Red Cayenne and on the right is Super Chile. Maybe this is more than you wanted to know. Just thought I'd share.
Since I'm new to this Tomato/Pepper Seed Trading, I wanted to ask a question about bags that people are using. Corey, I saw that you said that you were using 2 x 3 inch ziploc bags. Is 2 ml adequate? Did you order those online? I looked online, and several places offer them. Are there any online or retail places you recommend? Are you placing a piece of paper with the information in the ziploc bag with each bag of seeds, or are you putting a an address label type sticker with the information on the outside of the bag of seeds? Does this all sound complicated? I just want to do this so shipping is economical, and I'm in line with what other people are doing. Maybe other people are wondering also.
Hope habaneros are drying successfully!
I get my baggies from Hobby Lobby and I talked to Heather about labling. I'm writting name of seeds, number of seeds, where they came from, and my DG user name on the baggies themselves. This way the info can't get seperated from the seeds. This is just how I'm doing it I'm sure there are many other effective ways.
I'm a New Bee also. I found the 2x3 ziplocks plenty big for the small amounts of seed I have to offer (except for Snow Peas). I have access to a laser printer at work, and 10-point font is readable, so I go crazy putting as much text as I can onto double-sided paper labels inside the zip-locks. If I think anyone might take out a few seeds and leave the rest for someone else, I put in multiple labels. But I think this is going overboard, maybe even bordering on OCD. But it makes me happy!
(I didn't have any havy thread other than very heavy waxed thread/twine which seemed icky for chilis that I may also cook with. For the pretty-dry half-pound batches of Anaheim chilis and (I guess) small red Thai chilis, I have been just spreading them out inside paper bags on their side. I think I'll be transfering them to big organza bags when they feel dry enough. But I may yet string up the wet Habaneros that are going so slowly.)
I have not found any online store that beats Wal-Mart's price for Zip-locks! Around 1 cent each. The "Crafts" or "beading" section. And these Zip-locks seem cheaper than any other option, unless you tape your own packets out of recycled US mail envelopes from bills and ads.
http://www.fetpak.com has great prices on many things if you buy moderate quantitites, and a killer special sale on TINY colored 5/8" x 5/8" ziplocks ... but a $7 handling fee for orders under $100.
Kraft paper coin envelopes I got from Staples in a big box, though not every local Staples had them in stock, and I thoguht they were expensive (~~ 4 cents each?)
Mostly, online sites' prices with shipping only seem like a good deal if you are buying $50 or so in one order, suggesting that a co-op purchase would be more efficient. If you just need a few seed-collecting mesh bags or want to try glassine envelopes, let me know and I'll send some. I think I have enough for several lifetimes!
Thanks, Russ, I had not thought of slitting them. (I'm a little afraid of touching them!)
>> Plastic isn't the greatest storage method, because of the moisture..Coin envelopes work well.
Many people agree with you strongly.
My theory is that the seeds need to be dry enough BEFORE going into storage. Once well-dried, I believe that plastic protects them from swings in humidity - I live in the Pacific NorthWet, and it rains a lot, most of the year.
I only use paper while they are still drying, which can take weeks where I live. Folded coffee filters or coin envelopes or paper trays.
Once well-dried, I store seeds inside in 2x3 Ziplocks, inside 3x4 Ziplocks, inside big plastic jars with dessicant.
I read up on it, partly at the "Drierite" website. It turns out that polyethylene lets water vapor through gradually, and I figure that the "zip" is far from a heremtic seal.
Hence if my seed starts out dry enough not to rot, and goes into a plastic Ziplock in a jar with dessicant, my risk is greater that they will become too dry, than rot. I've read that ideal conditions for most seeds are 10% or less RH, with seed water content around 8%.
I think there are many kinds and thicknesses of polyethylene, and also other plastics that may form more of a barrier. Polycarbonate?
Here is what decided me firmly against paper in a humid climate:
I have humidity-indicator strips inside my jars. I had packed some commercial Bok Choy seeds in Kraft paper envelopes, lots of them, each with just a little seed, so i could trade or sow small batches without fiddling.
In that jar, even with industrial-strength dessicant, the humidity shot up to 30% for weeks, while the dessicant slowly pulled humidty out of the paper envelopes. Then the dessicant became exhausted, and I replaced the spent Drierite with fresh Drierite plus silica gel. THAT finally was able to overcome the humidifying effect of the paper.
And I recall from living in a basement how carboard boxes pulled humidty out of the air, and held it against the contents for months after the air dried out.
So I'm down on papper and up on plastic-plus-dessicant for storing dried seeds in humid climates.
But many people agree with you.
I think a majority of seed-nuts store in paper in open or semi-sealed containers with no dessicant ... in moderately dry locations, or at least where humidity doesn't cycle from 100% to 30% every few days.
And I agree that plastic would cause rot while drying seeds.
Thanks for the info on the bags. It clears things up for me. I'll look at Walmart, JoAnn's, and Hobby Lobby to check out prices.
When I string peppers, I use heavy duty cotton thread for buttons, carpet,and hand sewing. I have one spool that I've had for a long time and it's come in handy. It says 60 cents on the spool, and a spool of thread hasn't cost that much in years.
You may be bordering on OCD, but I think we all have a little in us.
Corey depends on you climate, I live in a VERY humid place and doesn't matter if the seed was dry as dust before putting it in the plastic it will accumulate after. I've tried both methods (btw I only use commercial seeds) and I find that the paper does the best. I also store them with the humidity packets that come in shoes, electronics etc.
Araness-totally off topic, but didn't you grow Fireworks this year? If so how did it do for you?
Corey- I think you can send your seeds now, some people already have, that way she doesn't get them all at once.
We're up to 104 participants. If anyone has been lurking...there's still time to join. If you live in the US or Canada, as long as you're able to mail your seeds by Nov 1, they should get here in time. For those living outside Canada and the US, you still have time if you can mail your seeds within the next week or so.
My seeds were mailed today. Since this was the first time sending to Canada, I didn't know I had to fill out a customs form. You need to know the weight of the package in ounces and approximate value. Otherwise nothing difficult. Grab the form and fill it out before you get in line, or you have to wait in line twice.
Fish hot pepper
Poinsettia hot pepper
Beaver Dam hot pepper
Wisconsin Lakes sweet pepper
Sheepnose Pimento sweet pepper
Silvery Fir Tree Tomato
Riesentraube Cherry Tomato
Purple Russian Tomato
Mortgage Lifter (pink) Tomato
Sugary Cherry Tomato Hybrid
Yellow Tumbling Tom Cherry Tomato hybrid
Wisconsin 55 Tomato
Japanese Black Trifele Tomato
I'm getting excited to see what surprises will await me!
thanks for the updates everyone. It's definitely not a problem sending seeds to Canada. Whether or not you have to fill out a customs form, completely depends on your post office. More than half the envelopes I receive have no customs form on them and it's absolutely fine. You will need to allow a couple of weeks for seeds to arrive if you are sending from the US.
Corey,I was just wondering that. Thanks for clearing that issue up. Mine will be in the mail in the next day or two. Note to self: Do not wipe your eyes without washing your hands after handling Chiltepin seeds!
I'm relieved to hear that they arrived! My seeds were postmarked Oct. 6 so took 12 days to get from Pa to Canada. Heather is right when she says it can take up to two weeks from the US! I don't believe they took that long last year - about 8 days if I am right. I had to fill out a form both times.
Will you be posting a list with all the participants on it? I think it would be great fun to see how vast our network is for this trade. (I'm already excited beyond words. Kind of a nice treat now that I am in the midst of tearing down the gardens for the season. I picked about 3 pounds of tomatoes this evening, along with a quart of beans, some snow peas, Swiss chard, Malabar Spinach, and a few Okra. Over the weekend I cleaned out three of the 2'x4' beds and prepped them for winter. Night, night, ya'll!)
Yup...got a few different sites involved and even a few people that are not yet members of any site. My philosophy is...the more people we get involved in the swap, the bigger variety, and the better chance of getting some interesting varieties into everyone's hands. Really hoping to fill at least a few items on everyone's wish lists.
As a friendly reminder...if there's anyone that previously signed up for the swap, but has changed their mind for any reason - please get in touch with me to advise so I don't hold up the swap unnecessarily waiting for an envelope that isn't coming.
Thanks for your consideration everyone.
Still time to sign up if you haven't already done so. We're up to 106 participants and lots of great seeds coming in.
If it's not too much trouble, if I haven't already confirmed receipt of your seeds, could I ask you to let me know when you've sent your seeds? It helps me with organizing the exchange. Thanks in advance...Heather
I sent mine this morning. I live in a small town and it really thru them off that I was shipping out of the country. They had me fill out the wrong form, then they filled out the right one. You would have thought I was sending them to Mars.
Is it still open to join? I know it is late...unemployed to long, no money to spend for shipping until today! Now if it is still possible, would really like to join. Can send seeds in today or the 29th.
I have a few miscellaneous vegetable seeds to give away to participants of this exchange. First come first serve. Remember...I am posting this offer in a few different forums to make it available to all participants.
* Thai Eggplant-Pattern Green (commercial seed I purchased)
* Chinese Cabbage (commercial seed I purchased)
I have very limited quantities of some of these. If interested, respond with your top 3 choices in order of preference. How many you get, or whether or not you get any will depend on the total number of respondents and who has responded first. I will be distributing in the order I receive requests from all forums.
Please respond no later than November 5th.
PS...will be deleting seed types once the supply is out.
Here is the list of seeds I am sending. Could everyone post their list so we could make our wish list? I have no idea of what seeds are being sent, and it would be quite a task for Heather to post the master list. Thanks! I do not need 20+ extra tomato seeds, but just a few new ones to me I would like to try. These are the one I am sending...
Anaheim hot pepper (mild)
New Mex Sunrise (hot)
Aunt Ruby's German Green
(Golden) Jubilee - 5 pks
OSU Blue - 2 pks
Homestead - 3 pks
Ponderosa Pink - 2 pks
Tiny Tim - 2 pks
I put these in, all commerical. All OP / Heirloom except the ornamental pepper
Tomato Bush "Green Zebra"
Tomato Bush "Silvery Fir Tree"
Tomato Pole "Aunt Ruby's German Green"
Tomato Pole "Black Krim"
Tomato Pole "Speckled Roman"
Tomato Pole "Brandywine Red & Yellow"
Pepper Sweet "California Wonder"
Pepper Sweet "Yolo Wonder"
Ornamental Pepper "Pepper on a Stick" commercial. ?hybrid?
As has been posted through out this thread, Heather is also going through 2 other gardening sites so if you list what you sent here, which I'm not, you wont have a complete list anyway : ). I made out a wish list but will be happy with whatever I get. I figure after we receive our seeds we can do trades if we need to.
Most of mine were from commercial sources. I wrote on the pkg. what company and the date issued, or if they were from a trade The only hybrid was Park's Razzleberry Hybrid, the rest are all OP. As far as I know, they are all heirlooms as well.
Just a reminder, that this is considered a surprise swap, so no master list will be posted. I do ask however, that you provide me with your wish list of seeds you may be looking for. I will do my best at my end to be fair to all concerned and try to fill wish lists as best I can.
If you did not provide your wish list in the envelope you sent in, could I ask you to send a private d-mail with your wish list as opposed to posting your wish list in this main thread. I have over 100 people participating in this swap, and I won't be able to scroll back over all the miscellaneous postings to see if a wish list may have been posted. I keep all notes from participants sorted accordingly.
I'm glad this will be a Surprise Swap. Makes it that much more exciting!!!
I was disappointed with Razzleberry. It was very pretty, but rather average tasting...but maybe I was expecting too much. I always buy into the descriptions, except perhaps Laurels becasue ALL of hers are PERFECT, LOL! And I do like her alot. I got most of my seedlings from her before I started growing my own (and realizing that sellers' descriptions were, ummm, let'sfind a good word for this... How's over-the-top?)
Also, growing conditions play a big factor when it comes to taste. This summer the NE got a taste of Texas weather. I think where you grow your plants can really influence the taste. How anything grows here is a complete mystery to me.
Heather ~ The seeds went out yesterday (global) priority mail.
Sequee ~ I have not yet tried the Razzleberry. I got them free included with a couple of Park Seeds orders. I kept one pkt. for myself and the other one has gone to Heather.
Lisa ~ You are so right about growing conditions...I planted out 3 square foot gardens of standard tomatoes and the ones that were planted first did so much more poorly then the ones that were planted later. I guess they did not like snow. I covered them, but the snow was very late..in May! Also they may have been missing one of the soil amendments that the later ones got, I will have to check my garden diary against the dates of the reciepts to determine that. I must learn to keep notes on everything, not just date planted. All good gardeners keep better records than I do. Maybe I will learn... The best tomato was over all the OSU blue as not only grew well but a "bumper harvest". (Still the one I planted in the first box barely grew. HMMMM.)
These last couple of years have been odd with atmospheric conditions. I would not automatically toss out anything I've grown during this time without trying it another time. I'm just really glad that my first few seasons weren't the past few seasons, or they might have been my last. Hard to put out so much effort, and feel like you're fighting a war each season.
I think that is Jim Meyers at Oregon State University who developed the blue tomatoes. (I went to another OSU but once did give a talk at a meeting in Corvallis--it's way out in the middle of nowhere!)
I am thinking to cross this one with a purple tomato, as the flesh of this tomato is red. It just gets a blue sunburn/sunblue?? (Not a suntan...for sure..)Where the sun does not strike it, it stays red...well green then red. A very interesting tomato for sure. I happen to like it because it is sweet, but others may find that it doesn't have enough of the "tomatoey" flavor. (...which is fine by me...)
That does sound intruiging! I would love some, to grow and thus identify. I haven't grow or eaten either Napa or Michili in ages, maybe my tastes have changed and I'll wnat some of those instead of chard.
If the writing is not ideographs, do any words look like either of these words:
shakushina or chingensai ?
And I want to reccomend "Kitazawa Seeds" for any Asian seeds, though I guess there is not huge demand for that on this thread.
I'll set some aside for you Corey. I threw the original packaging out after I separated the seeds into individual baggies. I do remember it was Aeroplane brand commercial seeds. They came from Thailand.
OK since you mentioned its from Thailand I would like some too. Veggies from Thailand do really well here. Have you gotten my package yet? It was sent on the 25 of Oct. but since they acted like Canada was on the edge of the earth it made me a little concerned.
>> they acted like Canada was on the edge of the earth ...
I was lost once in a town in the woods, and a local guy kindly gave me directions.
Told me how to get to a certain road, then went into histrionics, waving, grimacing and using body language to explain how far to go, to get to where I was looking for.
"You keep going and going, and going farther, past that and just KEEP ON GOING ALL the WAY and farther ... it's almost all the way to the NEXT TOWN."
I have a stack of about 20 more envelopes to go through, but am packing it in for the night. All of these were received today. I couldn't believe my eyes, when I saw the volume of envelopes waiting for me today. I'll get through the rest of them tomorrow after work.
I had some more packed up and ready to mail this morning, but then I opened the front door and said no way...I'm not going out there today. It's minus 32 degrees celcius. Lucky for me I can sometimes work from home if the weather is bad.
We'll try again tomorrow
Could I ask everyone to let me know when your envelope arrives so I can update my records? Thanks so much...Heather
It has been snowing here off and on since Saturday night. I cannot transfer any pictures to you right now, as I having 'puter problems. Another colder storm coming in tonight, then a hard freeze!
I had not finished what I was doing in the gardens...but it can wait. I'm not going to go out there and slosh around in the snow. Right now it is melting, but these first two storms were the warmer ones. I wonder what next year will bring, as we had a very late and brief spring, since our last snowstorm was in May. Is autumn gone already and winter here?? Wait towards the end of December, huh??
I'll be driving the mail carrier crazy - you'll probably hear us all the way up there when they arrive!
Dang - My onions never get very big for me. I wonder if I shouldn't try some out now, too? In fact, I have one small bed that I never pulled fromthis year. Do you think they stand a chance of making through for next year??? They are probably about walnut size as we speak.
Hi Heather... I received my seeds today... thanks so much for allowing me to be part off the seed exchange!! I look forward to spring so I can get started!! No doubt I will have some tasty tomatoes and peppers for my family... thanks to everyone who participated and sent in such a wonderful variety of seeds!! Nancy
Thanks Heather. Oh, I'm so excited! I can't wait until they arrive. I'm not dreaming of sugar plums dancing in my head. I'm dreaming of tomatoes and peppers dancing in my head!
Sequee, don't plant your onions at this time of the year. Next spring, they really won't grow much and will immediately go to seed. But, you should plant your garlic in the fall. I think New York climate is like Wisconsin. Garlic does much better here if planted in the fall. Can you still get it in the ground? Our ground is frozen solid. Good luck.
Now I'm confused--I live in the next town over from Sequee (Hi neighbor!) and I've always been told to put my garlic AND ornamental onions in the ground now, in fall...or am I a dope and we're talkin' 'bout them eatin' onions instead?
Garlic should be planted before the ground freezes. Around here, we can start buying them to plant in early September. I don't think the top has to grow, but it is good for the roots to start growing .
I was talking about edible onions. Ornamental onions should be planted in fall.
I just found out about eating the bloom stalks of garlic. I think they call them skates or something like that. They say it will make the bulb grow bigger which stands to reason and which explains why mine were so small. I have tons of seeds but little bitty garlic bulbs. I'd rather have bigger bulbs and just let a couple plants go to seed. Ahh, live and learn. It's what makes the world go round.
I will be glad to let you know what I get as soon as I get it. I just went through my seeds starting with the tomato and peppers. I had no idea I had so many. Many I will not be able to use now because of downsizing and I will put them in a thread to trade for other things.
I am going to think long and hard about what I can realistically use in my new SFG life and try to make some trades. I may start a thread just for the tomatoes to begin with. I have quite a few. Most I got in trades.
CajunKy, I've planted hard necked garlic for the second season and learned last year to make sure and snip off the scapes when they start to curl. You can then cut them up and use them is salads fresh or sautee them and sprinkle on veggies or salad. Removing them causes the bulbs to grow bigger. I planted them in October (was told Columbus Day was a good way to remember in my climate zone) and plan to harvest in July.
I like the idea of maybe starting another thread for those who wish to list what they got and do a further swap. I could see it getting a little complicated here as Heather tries to communicate with us when she sends out new packages each day and wants our response about receiving them!
Like Cajun I have a huge stack of tomato seeds as well and while I tried to reduce a lot by sending them along for this swap there will be plenty left!! And then there will be the new additions! Wow!
Thank you so much Heather, can't wait to see what I got. I definitely will be interested in posting what I have, probably more seeds than I can ever plant in a lifetime that is for sure, LOL.
Thank you guys for the info on garlic I am thinking on planting some as well, last year I did onions but I love garlic and use it in everything. Have any of you grown the elephant garlic, is it milder in taste? and does it produce the scapes?
Here are two links on how to grow garlic since there are so many questions above. Their growing instructions indicate you have to cool them for three weeks to six before planting in warmer climes. It really helps if you get your garlic "seed" locally (not the grocery store since that is Chinese!) That way you get the best type for your climate. For mine the hardneck is best whereas those of you in warmer climes might do better with the Softneck about which I know nothing! That may apply to you Carminator1! Hope this helps a little!
Here is a link to a Beginning Gardening Forum thread dealing with planting store bought garlic. Horseshoe has some interesting info on planting garlic in warmer climates. I posted the other two links there as well. Probably a good idea to move this discussion to a more appropriate site so that Heather has the necessary space here! LOL
I still have about 20 or so envelopes to work through. My apologies for the delay in getting them all out. Had to start later than anticipated because some of the envelopes were about a week or more late on arrival.
I'm putting in long hours at work this week because I'm running workshops, so will do the best I can. Will likely take the rest of this week to get the remainder of the envelopes packed and mailed.
Its definitely worth the wait! I rec'd my packet yesterday---WOW! is all I can say!! So many neat varieties Im excited to try. I was up late last night in bed with seed packs scattered everywhere and all my catalogs out looking up the new varieties I got. My husband walked in and said, "Oh great, now we have to sleep with these *&E$%&* seeds too?"
Thanks SO SO SO much to everyone for pulling this swap off--it was my first time participating in any group-related swap and it was a great experience! And special thanks to Heather for the patience and fortitude to make all of this happen--Ill definitely sign up for the next one, and the next, and next, and... :)
PS...pic is of heirloom "Pineapple" from summer 2010
I received my package today! When I was getting my mail out of the mailbox after work today, I was so excited when I saw my seed package, that I left the six boxes that UPS left by the front door, and ran inside. I stood at the kitchen table in my coat and scarf (I did take my gloves off) for 20 minutes just looking at the different seeds. I think that I will have to look up some of them online.
@Evelyn---hahaha! On 364 other days I've have to go with seeds (seeds dont ask where dinner is; seeds dont leave the seat up; nor do seeds leave muddy workboots in the house) HOWEVER...my husband just happened to be closing on a new house for us yesterday, one that has 3 beautiful acres for my horses and gardens, so I will have to go with husband on this one. But I do love me seeds!
Heather-Thank you so much for doing this, I'm glad to hear that you are done with this forum at least. Will those of you that have received yours post what you got?
I'm so interested to see the different varieties.
I got my seeds, and I'm overwhelmed. What a great assortment, more of everything than I dreamed. I especially appreciate the cherry tomatoes, like Tommy Toe and Black Cherry. I never heard of "Snow White"!
Plant Files will get a workout.
(Busy_gardener: thanks for the Fish Peppers. Interesting! )
@ Carminator--what a coincidence, I jsut saw you're in Mobile, AL--I was born and lived in Fairhope for first 18 yrs of my life. NY has been home since 1994. The horse pictured is a 3yo rescued literally hours from going thru the "meat auction" in PA. The picture is of him at a quarantine barn. I named him "Tofurky" b/c when I got him him had "no meat"! :)
Oh yes we've been here for a year now and our orders are for 3 more years so after that we might have to move somewhere else. Fairhope is not too far at all. Glad to hear that you rescued that poor horse, he is truly a beauty. Still dreaming of living in the country, :)
Yes! He's a Saddlebred! his forelock and mane were shaved off like a driving horse's would be so we r guessing he mustve been an Amish reject. I grabbed him bc this horse moves like a grand drix dressage horse--I cannot wait to climb on him! My other horse is a rescued Premarin broodmare who's shaped like a bulldog (QH/draft) all downhill while this ASB is the polar opposite--he's so uphill he looks like a giraffe most of the time!
Good for you ~ Kerry! Congrats on the new digs. I am sure you will be posting pictures of that soon, huh? (I am with you, especially leaving the seat up! Yikes!! It happens to others, too??)
Corey ~ Good for you. I am glad that you got a nice assortment of seeds. Yes, it would be good to see what you got...LOL!!
Heather ~ I will be posting as soon as I get my package that you sent, and share with y'all what I got. Thanks so much for all of your hard work to put all this together and getting the seeds out so quickly...We all do appreciate it.
I must have come upon this info late - what are fish peppers?
Lisa ~ What seeds did you get? Maybe you can "start the ball rolling..."
I'll be glad to tell what I get... when I ever get them. LOL
I used to work as an EMT at horse shows and I did a curcuit of saddlebred shows. There was one show day that had 2 shows going on at the same place. One was a "saddlebred" show and the other was a hunter jumper. The H/J horses were shying like crazy because they were afraid of the "shaky tails". In the natural horse world, if a horse travels and presents itself like a saddlebred does that's trained to show, it's usually a stallion. Kids were getting dumped left and right. How old is your horse. Looks like a youngster.
Fish peppers are the fruit of attractive ornamental plants with spotted white leaves. They are fairly small but also fairly "hot", but tasty. Look them up in PlantFiles under common name: Pepper, cultivar: Fish. I planted some this year and they did not do as well as the ones I have had in the past in another location (where I'll grow them next year!).
"Fish" Pepper Capsicum annuum
Hot: "4 on a scale of 5", or Plant Files says 5,000-30,000 Scoville Units)
pre-1870s African-American heirloom
beautiful green & white variegated foliage.
Pendant fruits 2-3" long ripen from cream with green stripes to orange with brown stripes to all red.
Traditionally used in oyster and crab houses in the Chesapeake bay.
"Commercial - Seed savers Exchange busy_gardener 2010"
Plant Files says:
tapered 4" to 6" fruit
Green changing to red
Green changing to gold
Green changing to orange
"The flavor has a clean, bright heat like a cayenne, but with the bonus of a sweetness that reminded us of a red bell pepper."
"My experience has been that the immature peppers are quite spicy, but if you allow the peppers to mature all the way to red (bright red!), the spice mellows out. ... the plant can reach upwards of two to three feet "
Wow! He yours? He's a beauty. I have 2 paints. A red and white spotted and a blue roan spotted. Have 9 all together. Would sure love to sell 4 of them. All but 2 are rescues. We leased a farm with a friend before we moved. Now we don't have proper places for them all. We have them farmed out like kids during the depression.
This is Tug's Honor. He is a racking pony. He is 2 1/2 now and it's time to break him to ride. He is going to be my saddle horse. I am down sizing from my big 64" TWH gelding. I have MD and my legs are getting too weak to get on him anymore. He is "lot of horse" and doesn't like to stand still while I get on. He is also a big, fast mover and I don't trust myself on him anymore. It's a shame too. He is as fine a racking horse as anyone could ever hope to ride. He was rescued from a life of terrible abuse. It took me 2 years to make him safe to ride.
FINALLY!!!! My seeds came today and I am so excited. Heather, you rock!! Can't wait to try all these. This is what I got:
I had only sent tomato seeds and that is all I had on my wish list. I needed some bush and determinate varieties as I am having to downsize to SFG and containers in the Spring. I am so happy with what I got.
Novosadski Jabucar I have not heard of this one.
Calypso I have not heard of this one.
Hybrid Patio I have not heard of this one.
Green Grape I am very excited about this one.
Principe Borghese I have not heard of this one.
Puck I have not heard of this one.
Czech Bush I have not heard of this one
Balcony Charm I have not heard of this one. Sounds like one for a
Bush Beefsteak Wasn't sure this was possible.
Silvery Fir Tree This one sounds interesting. New to me.
Ultra Girl Wondering if this is related to Early Girl
Early Wonder The sooner the better. LOL
Golden Bison Love the yellows.
Manitoba Have not heard of this one.
Marz Round Green Going to have fun with this one.
Chinese Have not heard of this one.
Micro Tom Sounds like an itty bitty one.
Banana Legs Looking forward to finding out about this one.
New Big Dwarf A pink one.
Sophie's Choice Have not heard of this one.
Jaunne Flammee Been wanting to try this one. So happy to get it.
Here is my other spotted horse. Her name is Gypsy and she is a percheron / TWH cross. A big sweetheart. This was last winter. We had 3 of them on a tie line all winter. A big hassle. We have since moved her and the strawberry roan TWH / RMH cross on the end to a friend's barn.
Cajun- ROTFL Stop about her tail or lack there of. She has a tail but the goats keep it short, she just stands there while they chew. EVERYBODY says something about that tail, I thought I was safe online. LOL
Both of these horses are Reg. American Paints. That means both parents were American Paints or Thoroughbreds, or Quarter Horses. If one of the parents is a TB or QH the off spring must show color to be reg. as an APH. It is my understanding that they allow this so the genetic pool is larger (hybrid vigor). Both these horses have TB and QH in their linage. When I did ride I rode English, H/J and Dressage, so I have always had horses with some/all TB in them.
I used to work hunter Jumper shows as an EMT. Loved watching the jumpers. It wasn't often anybody got hurt so I was always looking for something to do. I ended up hand timing grand prix jumper classes. One show it a $25,000 class and I timed it with a stop watch! Is that wild?! I used to have a blast at those shows. Met a lot of nice folks and a lot of less than nice ones if you catch my drift. I guess folks are folks all over the world.
Has anyone heard of "Sanza Cherry" tomatoes before? I can't find them online. Someone must have sent a pkt labelled that way to Heather, and I'm wondeirng whether it was a typo for "Santa", i.e. "Santa Sweets".
There's a sanza district in Italy with a distinctive method of making tomatoe sauce, but I don't think it involves CHERRY tomatoes.
I'm sure yours will arive. They were mailed Dec 1st. Please remember it takes a couple of weeks normally for mail beetween Canada and the US. I had some envelopes take 3 weeks to get here from the US. The Christmas mail volume will make a difference as well.
I have not gotten mine either, I am sure it is just the fact that it is the holidays, or at least I hope that is what the problem is. Either way I know how you feel, patience is definitely not one of my virtues unfortunately.
Heather, I forgot to mention I received my seeds a few weeks ago. Yay! Thanks for the generous number of packets... Lots of variety. Thanks for organizing the exchange...we appreciate your hard work. =D Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Thnak you for the extra cherry tomatoes! Now I have a whole LIBRARY of early and cool varieties!
I've talked to more of my neighbors since this swap started. Almost everyone says "yes, i tried tomatoes a few times - no, they never ripened". The first lady i asked said she started by buying plants THIS tall, and had success.
I hope to do it with wise choice of varieties, starting them EARLY, and giving them some extra warmth all year. When I get some effective cold frames built, I'll post pictures, but this may take a few years to master.
Sorry folks. Seems there are a number of people that haven't received their envelopes yet. I know there are people in parts of the US and Canada that have not had mail delivery in over a week because of weather conditions. I'm sure your envelopes will get there. I wish I could wave a magic wand and get it there faster for you.
My seeds arrived today (12/30/2010); they were mailed on 12/02/2010. So it takes a few days. Thanks Heather for the great selection of tomato and pepper seeds and all the work you do. Will now have to do a little research on the varieties I am not familar with, which is part of the fun.
my seeds arrived today! yippy I am so thrilled! I haven't even looked at all of them yet but wanted you to know they arrived! I noticed that I didn't bother putting 'USA' on my return label; I will make a note to do that in the future...not sure if it will make a difference in delivery time, as I'm sure the season and weather were factors in the deliveries too.
Heather, thank you so much for all of your hard work with hours of your time putting this together and for putting up with us all!! I really appreciate it!!
Look forward to checking out all of the varieties of tomatoes and peppers I have here!! I think the surprise factor is really the best fun of all!!
We have been buying tomatoes at our local farmer's market. When we sliced one open this morning it was full of sprouted seeds. I planted those sprouts in a pot and covered them with a little bit of soil mixed with coffee grounds, and watered them well. I wonder how they'll do.
My sweet orange peppers have been producing since we arrived in Cocoa Beach in October. These will be ripe in a couple of weeks. They are very good but only produce 4 or 5 seeds per pepper. I takes quite a while for me to gather enough seeds to offer them in a seed swap.
Sorry I'm late on this, but I discovered the all-important seed package near the bottom of a large tray of mail held at the post office while we were on vacation. Evidently it arrived a day or two before Christmas-three weeks since it was mailed.
Thanks Heather, I am renaming my Ericaceae garden of heaths and heathers the "MacDona Memorial Heather Patch" in your honor!
I'll post the list of received items on Ricks thread.
My seeds finally arrived. The envelope looks like it has been well traveled. A very nice selection of tomatoes and pepper seeds. I hope to plant the melon seeds within a few days. Thanks for organizing this swap, Heather.
Glad the seeds finally made it there safe and sound. That's it for everyone from this forum. Everyone has received their seed packages. A couple from other forums are still waiting on their packages. The mail delivery time has been riduculous this year.