After the Fall..

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

Well... after being tore up by the hail... leaves shredded... and now the temps are into the high 30's n the evening... I guess I'd best think of doing something with them for the winter...not that there aren't piles of things that need attending to...3 or 4 outside work jobs .. n progress or promised for the last few weeks.. buld a building before the frost.. likely soon... as mother in North AL has already had a few light ones...
I started... laying a protective layer of vinyl on the cherry floors ..yet again this year.. and brought my first few inside... and strated looking closer at them again... this was one of the first to be brought down.. a lovely orangish flower... that has such a lovely fragrance.. I've been missing it for awhile now.. it seemd to spew forth the aroma as soon as it warmed up from the 38* F outside... into 72* inside

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Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

OK... the bloom's a bit shredded ... but there's only about 4 intact leaves on the plant.. and only one of a normal small size.. and the outer skirt of the flower is about 1/2 there.. but there's others.. and I was looking inside the flower in the light of morning..
outside skirt... and an inner one.. now outside... 2... and one inside that one...3... and inside
that thrdd one... another ... 4.. stuffed together... MMMM a quad... maybe genetically altered by beng battered by the hail... we'll see... there's a big bud right next to it there.. so when it opens I 'll be able to look at an unbattered flower...
and the tag... there it is... the first 1 1/2 " of a slip through plastic tag... mostly just the slit.. and not a mark on that part... maybe the part with it's name it's still up there .. or just picked up with the other hail damage... oh.. well ...we're taking some great seedlng crosses .. here... and rapidly turning them into the most lovely NOIDs avalable..
.Now that's science... Minus . 01

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Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

OK... the bloom's a bit shredded ... but there's only about 4 intact leaves on the plant.. and only one of a normal small size.. and the outer skirt of the flower is about 1/2 there.. but there's others.. and I was looking inside the flower in the light of morning..
outside skirt... and an inner one.. now outside... 2... and one inside that one...3... and inside
that third one... another ... 4.. stuffed together... MMMM a quad... maybe genetically altered by beng battered by the hail... we'll see... there's a big bud right next to it there.. so when it opens I 'll be able to look at an unbattered flower...
and the tag... there it is... the first 1 1/2 " of a slip through plastic tag... mostly just the slit.. and not a mark on that part... maybe the part with it's name it's still up there .. or just picked up with the other hail damage... oh.. well ...we're taking some great seedlng crosses .. here... and rapidly turning them into the most lovely NOIDs avalable..
.Now that's science... Minus .101


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La Grange, TX(Zone 8b)

Gordon,
She looks like a winner whether you find her tag or not. The color is so deep and intense! I love the frilly edges on her skirts and those long curly tendrils. She looks like she has a great form, if you look past the shredded parts. Most of the oranges I have seen are pale in comparison. I hope her future flushes are as great looking! She should get a place of honor for being such a trooper in blooming given what she went through. Congratulations on such a gorgeous bloom.

Do you have a record of your seedlings you can fall back on to try to recover her ID?

Hamilton, OH

Gordon, WOW, what a Beautiful color, I am glad you have Blooms, after what you had too deal with, it's a keeper for sure


Elizabeth

Mulberry, FL

Yes lovely orange any orange is a keeper for sure. 30's knocking on your door I hate the thoughts of that. Its supposed to get to 40's this weekend can't wait tired of sweating Time to get my self in gear and start preparing for winter crummy time of the year

Fort Worth, TX(Zone 8a)

That is a WOW color. Love it.

Hugs,
Judy

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

this is the second bloom of the plant pictured above... it's looking about the same/// WONDERFUL ..dark still and many flowered... bloom... and fragrance galore... t was a small but on being brought in.. and developed and flowered inside...
i t has an unusual.. to me... flower type... there's the outer flower... inside that one another ... and inside that one it's stuffed with flower ... it's lie a stuffed double I guess...
on the frst flower pictured above.. I tore t apart after it dropped off... there was the outer flower... and a flower inside that one..... which went around formng the inner flower.. but didn't terminate/attach when it met the first part of the ... but kept wrapping around to form the stuffed part... ... the wrapping went around and around ... it would have been 3 or 4 flowers if it had stopped and started a new flower at the time it completed 360* ... but just kept wrapping inside.. around and around...
has this structure come up for others ...

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Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

here's another picture.. of this new flower... and the three leaves driving the new growth

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Mulberry, FL

Ray of hope better days coming love that dark orange was looking at Miss Oct. this morning yours is even darker than that!

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

Well... I did it... despite my not wanting to build up the cool room again... did it again... the 2 " foam this year was purple.. and it's in the process of being painted white inside and out...... just to ease the visual aspect of it..
n past years I've dug the plants... from the large planters... stuffed them into pots ... that were overwintered... this year I'm going to be work on a new technique... I'm going to put a foam partition about 12 - 16" tall.. across 3/4 of the the cool room... from side to side... forming a 6' x 8 ' planter... the root balls will go inside... bumper to bumper.. filling up the large space..packing more in to a smaller space.. leaving the remaining open for a few big pots and a space to sit in.. and to manage the care of the plants......
Congratulations to Dave's team... we've now got a spell checker on the forum posts...

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Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

here's another outside flower here

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Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

there's 4 or 5 blooms on my in ground park brugs... they didn't get hit as bad by the hail ... being under some trees.. not bad for the middle of November

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Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

on the roof they lost ALL the leaves... but are now.. leafing out again... thinking winter will never arrive... my 10 ft tall babies... an Axel Rose cross and another ... are trying to regain.. with wonderful new leaves

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(Kim) Philadelphi, PA(Zone 6a)

Wonderful to see Gordon!

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

Yes Dana... Miss October on the BGI calendar .. yes.. I'm twice as pigmented as that one..easily...... I wish they had at some place on the calendar made an identity of the flower.. and perhaps the grower... maybe for 2011... I've also got a lot more flower stuffed into the double + bloom here...
this picture is a bit washed out from the full sun... and sitll darker

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Mulberry, FL

I have never seen a calender did not know they had one? Ebay miss Oct is offered Anne Kitchen abel proably spelled wrong lol but yours does have a different look almost like Thea's Libling as far as shape

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

Dana....OH...Yes..I've heard of Anne's Miss October... but the calender popped into my head first... and have the BGI calender hanging in front of me.. October has an orangeish double... so it seemed to fit....
BGI has a lovely one... go to their site next month and 'm sure they wll have on for 2011 for you... a new brug every month... and they are all so beautiful..
OH... they have the new one now... http://www.cafepress.com/brugmansia.17810209
Thanks ...Kim...

Dunedin, FL


There seems to be some confusion about Miss October being on a Calendar from BGI, she is a Alice Harris Hybrid and is being released for the first time on the present Ebay Auction, Alice Harris, Monika Gottschalk and yours truly are the only persons to date that have Miss October, the only pictures available are from Alice, Monika and myself, Alice had published the first piucture on her Website in 2007, i had posted mine in DG november 2009, but we have not released or authorized pictures of Miss October to be on the BGI Calendar.

Further more Miss October is not a Anne Kirchner-Abel



http://cgi.ebay.com/GORGEOUS-Brugmansia-MISS-OCTOBER-Harris-1st-Release-/370456378521?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5640ebbc99

Mulberry, FL

Sorry I read and read swore thats what it said on ebay I'm wrong then sorry for the mistake awesome looking brug! Can't belive these plants come back from blizzards can't beat it

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Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

OH...sorry for the confusion... I never said it was on the calendar... just the miss october had me thinkng the calendar..October..... and it had an orange brug as october... then I understood she was taling about another plant... one called Miss October... I'd heard of it... but didn't recalll the breeder..
it's Alices introduction.. thanks for the link for it.... looks like another knock out one from her... a nicely confirmed standard double.. with some deep golden color
mine is more of a red than a yellow gold and more like a stuffed double rather than a standard double or triple...
it's so nice to see the new colors and forms we're getting

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

Well... for me this is an exciting new thing to understand... this dark multiple.... before thought t appeared to be wrapped around nside... but it's not... after the fadeing took this new flower apart... there's 4 flowers in one...
1) there is an outer flower... thin but complete .. from the top to the skirt.. startng on the left in ths photo... it was thcer n growing but was the frst to loose it's moisture... beng outside
2) second there's a complete thicker second flower also quite complete...
3) then there's the third complete flower.. qute thck... not having lost any moisture yet...
4) then there's the inside flower.. also a complete flower onto it's own... from the top to the tendrails .. stuffed and knotted into the opening of the flower... no way anythng could fight it's way inside for either giving or taking of pollen... and I'm wonderng how I might try and have it be a pod parent next year..

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Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

Well... lets try ths post again... as it didn't go through...

OK.. this is a closer look at the fourth... and most inside flower... complete from the top ...to the tendrals... and full of pollen.....
saved the pollen this time.. and we'll introduce it to some others... when good growth time returns in the spring

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La Grange, TX(Zone 8b)

Gordon,
Did you ever find her tag? With whom do you plan to cross her? Maybe once the plant matures, the inner shirts will drop a little. She'll be pretty unique being as dark orange as she is.

How did the leaves of your Axel Rose crosses turn out?

Oh, the Goldenes Kornett X Magrethe cross finally had a bloom that made it to the opening stage. The bloom is a single pale yellow. I'm hoping for a darker yellow in the spring/summer. What I like about the cross is the large thick branches with the huge healthy green leaves she produces. I was a little disappointed with the paleness of the color, but she has good parents so when your seedling blooms again, will you collect some pollen for me?

Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK(Zone 7a)

That is an AWESOME flower Gordon!!!! If you take cutttings or seeds from her, please remember my name. I need an orange and that is beyond words! Congrats!!!!

Mulberry, FL

Gordon wishing you and your family Happy Thanksgiving!

Clifton Springs, Australia

Very beautiful and very exciting Gordon, this will be an interesting one to follow.
I hope you find that tag.....

Brownstown, IN

Very beautiful Gordon!
Great job!

karen

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

well... I've got a bunch n the cool room.. ... they are packed in together .. in a 6' x 8' planter..
the roots will grow together some... but they will enjoy not having their roots cut down to fit in a smaller round pot. and it should make watering easier... just water on the higher side

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Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

here's ground level inside... a low partition keeps one end drier for me to be inside..

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La Grange, TX(Zone 8b)

Wow, Gordon, I sure hope you don't have any problems with spidermites this winter. They will be a bear to eradicate. You will have to give us progress reports.

Coal Center, PA(Zone 6a)

That's very pretty Gordon. I love the colour.
I hope you can keep it going and it does well for you :) It should do better and better for the the more mature it gets.
Please post pics as it blooms again so we can see. It will be good to have another good quad.
The only true consistent quad I know right now is Monika's 'Magnifiqué' which I raised from her seed.
http://beautifulbrugmansias.blogspot.com/2010/11/brugmansia-magnifique.html

Yes, 'Miss October' is mine, finally just released this month.
http://beautifulbrugmansias.blogspot.com/2009/04/brugmansia-miss-october.html
As it was just released, I don't know how Anne or BGI got it?

Wishing you the best and Happy Holidays!
Alice

Clifton Springs, Australia

Congrats on " Miss October," Alice.....a very lovely flower.

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

Well...Alice... thanks... yes... I'm the same way... better and better as time continues..as welll as older and wiser...
Again... I didn't see your plant... Miss Octorber on the BGI calendar... just when she sad Mss October... I through my youth and " PlayBoy " saw the beautiful brug ...there in October... as a Miss October...as it happened to be of a similar color... BGI nor I made any claim as such..... but that's the beauty circuit... how come we have 50-60 to choose from for Miss Amerca and only a handful to choose between for the President..
I've a piile of your Canna Stutguartt drying now... it's such a big showy grower... also
keep up your great work on every front...YOUR Miss October is quite the beauty also..far nicer than the plant gracing the BGI 's October page.. I'm sure they would lie to have yours there for 2012... as 2011 is already assigned... with yours not being unveiled by choosing time
Happy Holidays to you and yours also..
MMMcan't edit this to rase the picture... oh well
Thanks Karen...
Yes.. Veronica... so far the cool room is working out... still no door on it.... but with a sheet of plastc [ with a 5" hole in it ] over the opening.. we saw 31*F and the sngle worklight.. kept it between 57* and 64* throughout a days cycle.. too hot I know.. butlast years heater was put away working.. and got sick and died.. so I have a light going to provide warmth which brings wth 67% humidity as the soil evaporates.. in an otherwise airtight enclosure.. woops it's 69* but steady in there now.. I do have pollen from her now... f you can do some breeding now.. or in the spring... it's here for you... your queston on the Axel Rose cross.. of how my leaves turned out... is a bit of a mystery.. you mean after the hail.. they were returning.. or do you mean them beng crinkled.. the hail took care of all that were..
Thans Dana... my this be the starting holiday of much joy there... and continue in such the most wonderful fashon through to the New Years cellebratons...
Patti... I'll keep you in mind for both..
a yellow and a white blooming in the park still.. a day before the low 30's temps..I didn't get outside today.. trying to get saucers under everything I brought downstairs... and then I finally got to water them.. well... and searching for a new auto... having blown my second engine in the Jetta.. they don't nterface well with the transmssion I had done nbetween... but the second engine did do about 40,000 miles... like the first one did... but t surely is enough to put me way behing with all the work.. and the search...
Seachanger... thanks.. yes we're trying to watch it and keep it going.. how about enterng your name into the first thread here of screen names/real names.. it helps me to imagine the folks here...
OH...I can't edit ths to raise the picture... sorry..




















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La Grange, TX(Zone 8b)

Gordon, I'd like to do some spring pollination. So I'll remind you late winter. I've been trying to figure out a way to cool the greenhouse during warm days. I had to seal the ends of the structure as the sides are independent of each other. Tried mending tape specifically designed for splicing large sections of the greenhouse poly. It was gone within 3 - 5 days. So had to resort to sewing a poly strip to the corners. Now if I can only get DH to quit trying to roll up the sides. I know he means well, but it will end up tearing things up. I was thinking our using a couple of outdoor ceiling fans and a box fan near the entrance to exhaust the hot air. On a warm sunny day, even after a freezing night, the temperatures in there can get up in the 90s.

I've been very lucky in that I was able to find some great help transplanting plants into new pots and getting them into the greenhouse. We are not through with transplanting, but at least all my plants are inside because we had our first freeze Saturday...got down to 27º - 25º. I don't have my sensors out yet. I had to get a new weather station. The old one was making a horrible high pictched sound that was driving me crazy. It's all set up, but I need to have it put up. I wrenched my back while in the hospital about 1-1/2 weeks ago and still can't do much. I'm still trying to walk upright without pain....all because I dehydrated. I'll post photos later.

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

Well.... they are enjoyng the heat from light insde the cool room.. see picture of flowering inside... and the ones inside the house are enjoying havng their saucers underneath.. finally.. so now they can be watered..
that's quite the storm that has ust beat it's way across the country.. lucky only rain here.. but cool.. and real high winds... it's gettng a trail by fire .. early in the season... but brng it on.. I hung the door to it yesterday.. and left the single light on... for some heat... it's 58* F early ths mornning.. after a nght of ran and wind.... I can tell it's really air tight... as the humidity inside is 86%..

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Mulberry, FL

Nice job on your cool room! That fronts headed here we will have a high of 73 thank god tired of the heat. And the lows will be low 40's and high 30's hope the wind doesn't do my plants in have alot with buds hope they make it to flower. Dug up a plumeria and have them all stored for winter brugs are still in the ground. Cutting bought from Eddie this last time have Y"d and have buds! Can't wait!

Brooklyn, NY(Zone 7b)

Dana... so... how do you store the plumeria... I still have 4 or 5 outside.. hoping to find homes for them... the biggest ones are in the cool room.. and a couple I'm most interested in.. the black/red and the ones I grew out from gigantic seeds I collected in Panama [ just a white with a yellow center ] .. are inside.. next to the radiator.. infront of the wndow.. but I've seen some folks that dig them up.. and hang them upsde down.. with no dirt in a dark room..
well lots of wind here.. and ran.... but when I went out to return the rental car.. much warmer than I'd have thought.. but gusting to 49 MPH near by here.. and the roof addition is holding on .. hardly a quiver..

Mulberry, FL

I feel for you with that wind the ones in pots are buried in the ground . The ones in the ground I dig up knock off the dirt and stack them on pallets. In pot pop out of ground and off they go there will be roots hanging out of pot not to worry. For you I would dig them up and store them in a place were it won't freeze. And really there good to go after last frost bury them back with fertilizer in the hole give them a little water and there off again. Maybe 2 weeks out of the year I have to provide heat there out side in a green house I do every winter. I was coming Thanksgiving but change of plans I come from Clinton Conn. I guess it will be Christmas before i get there. Was going to drop off banana plants in georgia but will be too cold by then. So today its frost cloth on the hibicus and brugs fig trees anything that needs it. They have some thats good for 20 degrees now mines just good for frost but you can use it year after year.

Hamilton, OH

Gordon
your cool room is so neat, I love the Bloom on your Brug, we had Snow here all day, but it didn't stick too the ground, all this week end it suppose too snow, the high
might be 33 degrees, I am so glad that all my Brugs are in the basement all warm & cozy, I would love too live close enough too take the Plumeria's that you want
too get rid of, any chance of getting them for postage? after I had one in the ground that Bloomed all Summer I love them

Elizabeth

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