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Hi Clematis lovers. I recently purchased an Avant-Garde clem. from a local nursery here where I live. In looking up info. from our DG's resources, I've noticed but a few members have posted and shared their beautiful blooms in years past. But current questionairs arise and I've a mix responses regarding this clem's. performance in different regions. Have you grown and have success with this particular hybrid? Care to share with me and fellow gardeners that visit DG?
Thanks for starting this thread, Kim. I don't have AG and would like to know how it performs for others since we've both seen comments about it on another Clematis thread. I'll be watching and learning.
Thank you Arlene for your interest. Pictured here is the trellis/arbor( (pic. was taken last summer) that I intended to train my new Avant-Garde vines to share with other ornamental planting since it's recommended to be sunny exposure. I'll post pics. and keep all of us informed of how it will turn out. Bear in mind; clematis isn't for instant rewards kind of plants. It will take time to get established before it shines. The 'ole saying "1st year it sleeps, 2nd year it creeps, 3rd year it leaps". So be patient and enjoy the journey with me.
I have very little luck with Avante Guard, have two, very little growth, one in full sun one in part to full sun, I have had 2 blooms, extremely small. I have other clems that have done much better with the same care, ie Ken Dobson(?) think I spelled that wrong, Asao, Belle of Woking. Would not invest again in it.
dem2rd, neither [ quote] full sun nor part to full sun [/quote] worked for you? Hmmm, I usually don't spent an oddle amt. of money on clems. Most of mine came from a local friendly nursery where I get everything so very reasonable. With Avant-Garde, I liked it so much for I'm trying to add more double bloomings clems. into my established garden. Also according to the tag that came with it, it clearly stated that the flowers are demunitive-- a bare two inches blooms from Mid-summer to early Fall. Although, I knew they're NOT going to be as huge as my Multiblues which are at least 4" across. I would like to give AG the benefit of the doubt. lol
The 2 double flowers that I've are from local sources, Multi-blue is one (Lowes origin I think), and a double white 'Belle of Woking'? They've done fantastic for me over the years. Mind you, Belle of Woking the first two years it sat there and did very little growing, I thought I was going to toss it out, then POW on its 3rd year it began to persuade me differently. Now after a few years of establishing growth, the Double white flowers clem. are about to make its debut. ...
Okay everyone, I've this to say. Is this one of Plantsthatwork's product or not, I can't be sure. This is what I discovered when I got ready to plant the AG clem. this morning. Yikes!!!
Well should it turn out to be other than AG that I've got. I can always return the clem. within a year of purchase since it's a reputable nursery in town.
I'm now more cautious as to whether or not to invest in another identical Clematis from this dealer. That said, I'm giving it a go!
I planted it in a tall ceramic container and will harden the vines in this sheltered, South facing area for now. First I teased off the circling robust root system, then planted the clem. 2 inches deeper than its original soil line. Top dressed the container with other annuals to keep its root system 'cool' and also serving as a decorative purpose.
dem2rd, I followed the advise of these ladies, and hands down, this is the best that my clematis have ever grown so early in the season. I added compost around the top of the plants, fertilized with Osmocote 2/3 and Colorburst Bloombooster 1/3 mixed, sprinkled around the plants a month ago, ( I love this mix, and all my plants to which I apply it to do well, I don't use with my irises however) then I added the Epsom salt in the past week. I've never had these plants with buds so soon. Now I'm sure the warm weather has helped their linear growth. I've looked at AG several times, but have never ordered it, it has such a pretty bloom. Has it been sleeping, creeping, and about to be leaping this year? Lily_love, we're in the same zone and your garden is MUCH greener than mine, I have green envy as well, LOL.
Could it be the climate that each one is planted in that makes the difference in its growth? Mine came from CA. I was told that it would do well in NJ.
I am hoping that my cold winters done kill it off for good.
I will post a picture of what growth I have as soon as I can.
I haven't a clue if getting it from CA would be a negative, Marie, but I just saw a note in the Ensata Gardens catalog mentioning the differences in pH from New England states to their Michigan location.
"If you have experienced losses of newly planted healthy Siberians, it may be due to a difference in soil PH from where the plants came from. Our Midwest soil is pH 6.5 and we have high losses of very healthy Siberians coming from pH 5.5 soils of New England and Oregon".
I don't know if that would hold true for clematis coming from CA to NJ.
They do suggest: To bypass the problem, we pot up the new arrivals in potting mix until new roots form.
I somehow doubt all new roots would form on clematis fast enough to get them growing with vigor.
Arlene, I can appreciate the different in pH and its effect on each plant's cultural requirement. I always wonder how Roses and Clematis are such great companions plants since the two individual requirement for pH is vasely different. Also, Marie, it's said that AG is hardy up to zone 4. So hopefully they survived over the winter just as well there for you.
Here I aim for 6.5 pH to keep them both content. My tall bearded irises and my clem's are always planted with a chunk of cement to help with the acidity problem we have (that does produce beautiful Japanese irises!) and so far the cement is working well.
Roses just seem to want much more water than the clematis so that's how I've lost too many clem's and why I don't plant more of them with the roses.
Ok pirl you are amking me wonder if I should move my clems that I planted with all my roses last fall. I thought i heard that clems like moist but well drained soil.
I would hate to loose all those clesm do to too much water.
Don't do it. I made the fatal error of putting the hose on the ground, on the low setting, and then forgetting about it and the area around the rose drained toward the clematis. It was the next day that I realized it but the clem took a few weeks (from memory) to die.
So many people love to drench the clem's daily but when they're in the ground they don't need the amount of water they would require if they were baking in the sun in hot black nursery pots.
Lol funny, I would never ask my hubby to help. Unless it is to lift heavy items...lol
I ask him to water things in pots one year while I was gone for a few days, Well that did not, happen. I come home to all dead plants...lol
I asked Babette from TP Nursery to come over and give us some insight on this Clem.
Here's AG paired with rosa America. Photo taken around mid-summer last year. It was a mere starter plant I purchased from a co-op and planted spring of last year too. I'm surprised how quickly it grew. Whatever I feed my roses with, I feed it to my clems too.
Did you know to prune it back around Feb-March to last year's stems? I purchased mine recently, and the vines is but 2 feet tall approx. so I gather the nursery has pruned it back when they brought it back out on the display.
Tex68 you give me hope. I hope mine comes back like that one. Does it start off real slow coming up in the spring? Mine is only about an inch tall now.
You are up by Manahawkin right? Should I do anything special now to help it along?
I believe it's group 2 pruning. But I waited until there were swell buds on the stems before I pruned it to around 24'' about 3 weeks ago. It's currently loaded with buds and look like there's new growth from the base too.
Marie - I live almost by the shore. Like what I said, almost a plug sized, planted spring last year and by summer time it grew to more than 4 feet tall happily growing along the fence.
Maybe it was all the fertilizers I feed it with. Kelp solutions and fish emulsions do wonders to plants. I was also diligent in watering my plants last summer. It was one of the hottest and driest summer ever.
Yes, everything was mulched with the exception of my iris's. I had said previously to my husband that I could not imagine what the plants would have gone through last summer had they not been mulched. It was so very dry and I watered almost every night - some plants were watered every night and I still felt like I was just barely keeping everything alive.
I have no idea what to expect this coming summer, the summer before last was so wet, I believe it rained close to daily...
M y soil ph is 7.2 which is much higher than I would like it. Worse the ph of our water is
9 . I asked our county extension agent about this...she said it is not only caused by the lime stone but also by the addition of fluoride to our water.
I bought some "top soil " from a local nursery here and found that they had added lime stone chips to the dirt.
Most of the good nurseries here are going out of business...the one I worked at as a boy is long gone.
Ah, Clems. are pretty stout on taken up some minor snow episodes in early spring. How are yours coming along folks? Here is my newly planted AG this season. Look at the contrast of bigger leaves that of 'Firework' next to the fine texture leaflets on the AG vines. Oh, knowing that it would be awhile for me to rip the benefit of AG's blooms. I added some annuals to the pot to divert my attention from being impatient awaiting for blooms. Tex68, are yours making buds at present?
Lily_love - Are you asking about flower buds or leaf buds? My clems are just starting to leaf out with real leaves. Some are actually starting to climb or cling to whatever structure/support they can find.
Maybe in a week or so I'll start pruning to the 3rd set of leaves for more growth. But there's a lot of new basal growth already, so is it really necessary to prune them?
Well, it promotes more branching and more growth. But of course that will delay the blooming process. I was just out in the garden. It's so bright out there already at 6AM. I think I'm seeing actual flower buds already on some of them.
With the weather really warming up, they seem to be growing several inches overnight. All the roses are leafed out except for the new ones I just planted. Lilies are shooting bullets and missiles out of the ground. Tulips got bloom buds and the creeping phloxs are starting to bloom. The joy of spring! It's going to rain today. As what they say, April showers, brings May flowers!
Tex, ditto! to help answer your question. According Novalis the tm of this hybrid clem. They suggest "Each February or March prune to the base of the the previous year's stems." I purchased this vine recently, and I believe the nursery have already pruned mine so I omitted pruning this year. I did test one branch however to see if it'd stimulate new growth on a tip-pinching. Nada, zilt! There was no new growth there on the stem that I pinched back. Thank you for sharing this experience with others.
One lonely little vine trying to find its way out of the ground to that mighty big trellis up there. Oh no I dont think I can make it that far...lol
I have hopes. Oh well I figured it will take that little guy forever to get up there so I planted another Clem along with it on the same trellis, I know he will make it up there before the summers end..lol
I have many more that are older and they are really shooting up. I was looking today and thinking I had better get that twine up on the trellis real soon for them to climb up.. They are growing real fast. That will be my project tomorrow before I go back to work on Friday.
Hang in there everyone. Spring will get there eventually. Down South it's getting HOT. Yup, I was hoping spring will linger a bit longer but we can't have the cake and eat it too. LOL about needing the magnifying glasses Arlene. Marie, your AG new sprout looks healthy. Keep us all posted please.
Dang! I wish I have a spectacular view like that! Reminds me of the gorgeous mountain lakes in upstate NY. The ocean and the sand is getting too dull for me already here at the Jersey shore. LOL!
That magnifying glass thing is funny. 3 weeks ago when all my clems were leafing out but one. I got worried that it may have died and I literally dug out carefully the surrounding mulch and soil to see if there was any sign of new growth at the base. Yep, one tender little red thing trying to grow. Now it's about 6" tall and more growth.
Planted more roses today. Still waiting for my order from David Austin. Starting to get worried already I might have to call them tomorrow.
Photo is Mohonk Mountain House, New Paltz, NY. The have some gorgeous gardens.
The best magnifying glass to use is the one they sell for menu reading. It has the light attached so the little stems are easier to find. I thought Ivan Olsson was lost but with magnification and light I found it. Looks like a bunny snacked on it, but it's making a comeback!
Venu - the photo don't do much justice of the resort's architectural structure as it is partly obstructed by a cliff. It actually looks like a Victorian castle and the motif is indeed Victorian. No TV's in your room (gotta go to the TV room downstairs to watch TV).
The place is very secluded in thousands of acres of unspoiled and pristine wilderness. Designated as a National Historic Landmark, recognized by the United Nation's Environment Programme. Owned by the same family for more than 140 years.
The cliff that you see in the above photo forms a semi circle surrounding the lake, and gosh I don't know many pagodas along the trail for you to relax to enjoy the view.
The place is really magical. We've been there twice. Pricey, yes, but it's so worth it. You can also obtain a day pass to view their gardens which I may say is so breathtaking.
Hi everyone, it's time to revisit this thread. My AG is sending out tiny little buds. Yes, buds, flower buds. But they're extra small I can barely get a decent picture to share. How is everyone else's AG doing so far for the season?
Awww, that's too bad. Carolyn, perhaps this cultivar is a dud. It's said to be hardy far North as zone 4. My vine looks fine except for the lack of flowers. I'll give it a little bloom booster and keep watch on it.
Arlene, I'll continue to monitor. Marie, voles has been a real pain here in my garden. I think I've lost quite a few liliums to them. I'll try to plant Daffodils to repell them critters. What method of voles control do you use in your garden?
I have lost so much to them. Each year I see more missing plants and more eaten up during the summer. I have tried everything on the market and none of it works. Plant your special bulbs in wire cages and try and figure out what they have not eaten and plant that. Daffodils have not deterred them in may gardens.
I also have a bad run of Moles this year.
DH uses the cone that you get at Lowes to get rid of the voles. We had them badly to the point where they were jumping in front of him when he was bending over outside. I definitely would not want to see one of those little critters go sailing in front of me. The stuff works.
I was wondering of there were any updates to the Advant Garde Clems this year? Mine is showing better growth this year since I put in in a pot. Stem is getting tougher and more woody like. I have hopes.
Hi Marie, I'm glad you asked. Mine is growing, but hasn't sent out any flower buds for the season. Since most hybrid clems. have bloomed where I'm and mostly are gone. I'm thinking of plan B. e.g. moving my A.Garde clem. to a sunnier spot in the garden.
It is about an 8 inch pot Arlene. It drains fine, I checked that.I put manure on top, a drink of the salts,but not a whole gallon. and then mulch. Like I said it is finally getting a stronger stem, but not much growth.
Hec, Arlene, I would just be happy with it staying alive. I lost one of them last year. It is just not growing well. I was trying to think when I got it and I saw my old posts. Hec it is 2 years old now. I sure hope once it decides it wants to live and grow, it keeps on growing after all I have done to get it to live.
Just wanted to put my 2 cents in today about the Advant Garde. After pinching it back all summer and not letting it get to big. I took it out of the pot to plants and the roots were so big. I am sure I will get blooms next spring. Not to bad after 3 years of babying it to get it to grow. I will surely post pics of the growth next spring.
Hi everyone, happy Holidays to all. Marie, you and I have both pampered these clem. Mine was finally moved to a sunnier spot in the garden. I'll post the update on mine as I look forward to seeing yours.