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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 1:58 PM Post #8469286
| Here is Phanomenal x Superspot#2 this morning. 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 2:01 PM Post #8469298
| The outer skirt is deformed and the colour is very pale. (We did get to just under 14 deg. C last night--cold compared to the 18-20 average before then.) 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 2:03 PM Post #8469303
| Looking from further below, you can see that the inner skirt has fully opened. Don't know if this will be a permanent feature, a some-time feature as happens in the #1 seedling, or a rarity. I think it's too early to judge by this bloom as it's obviously been damaged by weather/deformed.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 2:04 PM Post #8469308
| A closeup from below. 
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 2:06 PM Post #8469315
| It was hard to get these photos, as I had to keep trying to bend the tall stem of the seedling while pushing away the branches of the other seedlings growing around it. So the outer skirt ended up being torn.
The bloom is now well and truly damaged!
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 2:08 PM Post #8469318
| I wanted to show the seedpod on my Golden Butter too.
It didn't take long to set and grow! (It's crossed with big floppy apricot ... surely it won't yield all whites?)
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 2:10 PM Post #8469326
| This photo is horribly out of focus but I've included it to show the difference in colour among the Golden Butter blooms. You can see the true yellow of the young bloom and the orange tones in the older blooms.
So where are people buying their overseas brug seeds these days?
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 2:23 PM Post #8469362
| My garden is riddled with snails. This is one of the tiny ones I find climbing thru my shrubs (of course they love brugs in particular, which is what this one was on) and up my trees. I don't remember seeing so many climbing snails in Melbourne--I could start an organic snail farm! 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 2:28 PM Post #8469371
| That bloom has been damaged but still looks promising ...even being bashed by leaves in the wind can do that ...or a bug having a taste as it opens.
Yes we too had terrible snail problems this year ...tiny ones up in the leaves.
I must go ...back a bit later ...nurse coming this morning.
Thanks for posting a new thread with your lovely double- more to say after the nurse is finished. |
MyaC
Magnetic Island
Australia (Zone 11)
April 3, 2011 4:01 PM Post #8469566
| I love the soft colour.Well Done |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 4:57 PM Post #8469679
| Too pale for me; hopefully will be darker in spring/summer, when the nights start getting warmer instead of progressively colder. This would probably be a good one to cross with that Pink Smitty x Dorthea seedling (see below for photo taken last week). Too bad that that single bloom has now shrivelled!
Our dollar is now buying just over US$1 after currency exchange conversion fees are included (typically they add about 3% to the purchase price). It's a GREAT time to buy overseas seeds. So where are people buying their overseas brug seeds from???
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 6:28 PM Post #8469898
| It's unlikely that you will buy seeds at this time of the year because it's Spring over in the States so they are probably sold out.
I haven't bought seeds for over two/three years and my supplier is retired.
She was/is wonderful her name is Brenda Delph I think at the time I bought in as many genes in the seeds as possible for future breeding.
Best time to buy is in Dec/January when they have been freshly harvested over there, that gives you time to plant and get enough roots going for them (the babies) to survive Winter although you may need to shelter them depending on your area.
I don't do Ebay so perhaps someone can point out somewhere to purchase seeds.
I would not buy ones who don't have parentage listed only because I want to follow bloodlines.
Brenda always showed both parents and there was always info on both telling you how they go in heat/fragrance etc.
I miss that site so much.
I would love to buy some more Sam and Creamsickle and other favourite crosses so if anyone can point to a supplier please do ...or else and probably it's a wait until next Summer before the seeds are once again plentiful.
This was my first lot of seeds planted in late January ...then Wintering under the verandah roof because I was scared they would die.
I was so terrified that I would lose all the treasures.
I didn't lose one.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 6:54 PM Post #8469975
| I've bought on ebay and Oztion (now http://www.quicksales.com.au). I would not buy from this local seller again:
http://www.quicksales.com.au/vshops/item.aspx?itemid=9990106...
as not a single seed germinated. I see also that the listings don't seem to have changed for a year or so, and I can't imagine the seeds have become viable after all this time. (I think the seeds are bought overseas then sold in smaller lots in Australia.) I suspect that the seller doesn't actually grow these seeds herself.
arghyagardens is a good US ebay seller, but doesn't often seem to have seeds for sale. (And I think those she offers sell out quickly, for good reason. A good Florida brug breeder.)
I've had mixed success with another US ebay seller, EddieDewayne: out of the first few batches of different crosses received in mid-summer not a single seed germinated; yet a subsequent set of batches in winter had good germination rates. Not sure what to make of that--some seeds just aren't viable, but for entire batches to fail to germinate? BTW, two of the first batches (nil germination) had Sam as the pollen parent :-( |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 7:18 PM Post #8470057
| When you buy local seeds off someone local ...they are probably too old. Did they have seeds in the corks? those vinegar flies get into the cork and eat the shoots before they sprout too. That is why I always peel after finding the little maggot in a cork of a seed I was trying to germinate in Winter (FAIL).
Some people (local) are selling seeds and do not have a clue about how they will germinate or that age and storage does count.
If you don't know them I would not bother ...they could be anything.
You don't know for quite a while if they are ... what they say they are do you? I mean when they don't know an Arborea from a Versicolor or a Datura from a Brugmansia it does not bode well for the seeds you purchase does it.
Arghygardens is sold out pretty quickly because they are said to be very good.
As for the Germination was it in warm weather that you planted? this Winter planting is a waste of time I think (here in Australia at least) I would only plant in warm weather.
Brugs rot in the cold (the seeds I mean).
You might get a link from Mya or Jean they have purchased German seeds but haven't shown us the link :) |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 7:24 PM Post #8470070
| I forgot to say ...don't drown the seeds.
They absorb a lot of water in the pre soak ...I planted , watered then just sprayed lightly the surface a couple of times a day.
I clearly remember Fire Fighter Angel practically leapt out of the seed as if to say hello, I will never forget the thrill of that first happy baby |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 7:30 PM Post #8470088
| Waiting for the podiatrist to come see my brother ...Your Golden Butter is lovely too I forgot to say that ...I think it's Chloe.
I forgot to say that FFA was the thrill of a Lifetime when it flushed for me ...it has changed and now resembles New Orleans Lady from which it was bred.
Here was the first flush ...I thought I would die of shock.
The second hybrid bloom for me
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 8:29 PM Post #8470195
| You think Golden Butter is actually Chloe? All I know is that the ID came from Alistair based on the photos I've posted. I wouldn't try to identify it myself.
FFA is proving a shy one here, so it looks like next spring/summer before I see blooms. (That's not a complaint, just an observation.) Will be well worth the wait.
Agree that sellers who don't know their daturas from their brugs are suspect. Must admit, the non-germination is what worried me--didn't even think that the seeds could be some other cross altogether. Another oddity was that the non-germination for the EddieDewayne seeds occurred in our summer, whereas the successful ones germinated in our winter. Perhaps it's a reflection of when the seeds matured in the US? But then I remember that batch of my knightii seeds from one particular pod that failed to germinate for either Wayne or myself (even though they had healthy looking kernels), so it does happen ...
Arghygardens is good--only drawback is that she can't keep up with demand, I think.
I don't actually have a problem germinating them in winter here. We get horribly cold nights, but the days are dry and sunny and, in the sunroom, pleasantly warm. In some ways, they have a better chance because they're molly coddled in the sunroom instead of being thrown outside too soon, as has happened in some cases this past season.
I remember when you wintered your seeds under the verandah ... seems like a long time ago now. |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 3, 2011 9:21 PM Post #8470284
| Cestrum, you are right not to buy from certain sellers. I wont touch any brug seed sold on those sights in Australia. I know that one person was importing lots of German and US seeds, then even using photos from the sellers own listings to sell the seeds here. Both on Ebay and quicksales. . I have only used seeds from DG friends or those bought from overseas breeders directly as Chrissy and I did .
You can sometimes find the German breeder ( dergartner) with seeds and they are good seeds as far as I have found.. It is a pity that seedsprout finished but there will be more seeds as Chrissy says, in their season in the US.
I am always annoyed at those who know little about plants like the brugs, but see an opportunity to make money regardless..
I remember when we were first starting with our burgs on DG , there were never any on eBay or the other, being sold in Aust. Suddenly a few started appearing and those suspect sellers were up and running to cash in on the popularity.
Happens in lots of plants . someone sells a plant for a decent price then more appear with ridiculous prices. People buy anyway, trying to get something different .
Chrissy, I see that the pod on Frosty is definitely looking like pod now. It was from BB pollen.
The other 3 pods on #44( The Chief x Perfect Harmony crossed with my GHA ) are still green and feel so nice and velvety. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 10:17 PM Post #8470334
| Ha ha ha oh Jean are you out there stroking the pods? aren't they strokable?
I still give them a stroke (and a few words of encouragement when they are growing too, still seems like some sort of miracle that we can make pods of seeds on these amazing plants.
To this day I still sometimes need to pinch myself to make sure it's not a dream.
This place has chucked me off a few times today so if my posts seem disjointed sorry about that. :)
I hope they make lots of fat healthy seeds for you Jean. :)
Nothing better than opening the pod and finding happy bubbas.
Oh yes cestrum I remember Alistair said it was Chloe in his opinion.
here is Chloe
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 10:31 PM Post #8470348
| Don't know where to find dergartner, although the name sounds familiar ...
Intriguing info about the identity of my 'Golden Butter'. Alistair identified it originally--when did he say it was Chloe? Are you growing both and comparing them? As I said, I'm just using the ID that Alistair gave me. Should that be changed? (If so, it applies to all the cuttings and seeds I've sent out labelled as Golden Butter.)
PS I couldn't attempt to identify it from posted photos--I leave that to those with sharper eyes (minds!) than myself LOL
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 10:43 PM Post #8470352
| Ummm gosh I don't know what to say about that ...I have a tall Chloe sent to me by Alistair with my first Angels from him. It was labelled Chloe.
Then we were having a discussion on Aureas and in that discussion he said he thought GB was Chloe.
He mentioned that GHA may be the same too (once sold as GK) that is when we decided to compare,
So my Chloe is in the shade and your GB is in the sun ...GHA is in the sun too.
I would say GHA is a bit different to the other two ...the tone of the gold is different to my eye and the perfume is heavier to my nose.
Who knows with these chameleons ...but the "tone" of the gold is more copper than GHA to me. I need to put Chloe out in the sun to really get to see I guess.
Chloe again.
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Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 3, 2011 10:43 PM Post #8470353
| cestrum, if you join BGI, you are allowed to choose 3 pkts of free seeds every 3 mnths all it costs is postage...I have had 2 lots and all have sprouted...I can't remember whether it's $15 or $20 dollars US for a years subscription...You just wait until something that you like is on the free list..
They are a very pleasant lot of Brug enthusiasts..
I don't think that Volker "Degartener"had any for sale on Ebay this season...I bought a few about 15 mnths ago...Arghya Gardens will probably have some for sale soon, she was saying on the BGI forum...they also have a Classified section, where a lot of seeds will be sold soon.
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Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 3, 2011 10:45 PM Post #8470355
| Forgot to add,cestrum...my garden is full of tree climbing snails...never seen anything like it..
Seemingly dozens of tiny snails...trying to eat my buds. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 10:46 PM Post #8470356
| Hey thanks Dianne I didn't ever claim any seeds last year ...I didn't know it was open to Australians.
Good news! |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 10:50 PM Post #8470360
| They generally harvest their seeds in their late fall ...which is our late Spring.
Like any place different conditions mean different harvests ...they sell out pretty quickly in Spring over there.
They sell the ones left over sometimes at the beginning of Winter over there which is the Summer here.
The fresher the seeds the more successful of course. |
Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 3, 2011 10:54 PM Post #8470364
| Chrissy, The choices that are there at different times are really interesting...I shared some with Colleen last year, I hope that hers have grown well...mine are somewhere in the pic that I posted last. |
Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 3, 2011 10:58 PM Post #8470367
| Rosalla x Langenbuscher Garten
(Morgansonne x The Chief) x Berkonigen
were freebies from BGI. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 11:01 PM Post #8470368
| See on the registration chart Chloe ...is Australian but I don't know the hybridiser or grower.
Some of the names were a bit mixed up years ago.
Alistair didn't say who it was by.
Ok it won't let me link
but you can find Chloe on Abads registry site.
It's classified as an orange. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 3, 2011 11:05 PM Post #8470371
| try once more
http://www.abads.org/abads/Registry/namelist/
Ok you can have a look there for Chloe.
Thanks Dianne :)
I have 2 of yours that survived the 43C day. :) |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 3, 2011 11:54 PM Post #8470406
| Yes, I saw Chloe on the namelist (single pale-orange, presumed to be an aurea, parents unknown, registered by an Aussie in 2007: Glenn Callcott). There's an incomplete listing for Golden Butter, shown as a single gold aurea, attributed to Australia with no breeder's name. So it's all cloudy.
Well, I guess I'll leave mine as Golden Butter until someone decides definitely that it's something else!
With the Aussie dollar being as strong as it is, sounds like a good time to register with BGI; thanks for the info. |
MyaC
Magnetic Island
Australia (Zone 11)
April 4, 2011 3:48 AM Post #8470497
| Hi Cestrum
Below are the seeds that I bought from OS ebay. I don't recall Anne Kirchner-Abel's name anywhere. The seeds I sent you are from Volker in Germany,maybe that's why the flowers are so floppy, it's too hot here in Aus compared to Europe...we live and learn and I was so Brug naive back than. My Fifi is flowering again and will cut her up and send you some probably a week on Monday if you want to try her out.
25th July 2008
1. Creamsickle x Miss Emily McKenzie- Liz Fichtl impower56*
2. Sam x The Chief –Liz*
3. Adeleine x Dola –Liz*
4. Dola x Morgensonne -Liz
5. Creamsickle x Charles Grimaldi- Liz*
6. Miss Caylie x Peanut –Brenda*
7. Peace x Day Dreams –Brenda*
8. Cherub x Pink Perfecktion- PaulHicks DGarden
9. Pink Perfecktion x Salmon Perfecktion -PHicks
2nd August 2008
10. Dola x Rosamund –Liz Fichtl impower56
11. Jacayna x Savouy Truffle –Liz*
12. Rubriosa x Seminole Moon –Brenda*
13. Sam x Charles Grimaldi –Liz Fichtl*
14. Painted Lady x Pink Smitty –Liz*
15. Mountain Magic x Pink Smitty- Liz*
16. Pink Perfecktion x Maya 090808 –Paul Hicks*
17. Rubriosa x vixen 100808 –Paul Hicks
18. Genevieve x rubriosa 170808 -Brenda Seedsprout*
19. Pink Perfecktion X Dorothea -phicks 17/08/08
20. Earth Angel x Pink Smitty -impower56 Liz Fichtl *
21. Rubriosa x Naughty Nick –Brenda*
22. Dorothea x New Orleans -Brenda
23. Peace x Mon Amour de Mareuil –Brenda*
24. Dorothea x Day Dreams -Brenda*
25. Rubriosa x Pink Perfecktion –Phicks*
26. Pink Perfecktion x KBS –Phicks*
27. Mon Amour de Mareuil x Safari -Brenda Delph*
28. Pink Perfecktion x Versi Peach –PaulHicks 17/08/08*
29. Color Point x Apricot Queen- Volker 19/11/08
30. Joli x Double Dark Rosetta-Volker
31. Double Dark Rosetta x Super Spot -Volker
32. Phänomenal x Super Spot -Volker
33. Super Spot x Langenbuscher Garten -Volker
34. Joli x Angels Flight -Volker
35. Double Dark Rosetta x Super Pink -Volker
36. Super Pink X Double Dark Rosetta -Volker
37. Super Spot x Double Dark Rosetta -Volker
38. Color Point X Bergkönigin -Volker
39. Bergfeuer x yellow aurea -Volker
40. Joli x Langenbuscher Garten -Volker
41. Super Spot x Langenbuscher Garten -Volker
42. Super Spot x Phänomenal -Volker
43. Double Dark Rosetta x Friemersheim -Volker
44. (DDR X AF) =double whit/yellowx (Rosalindx L´Amour )
45. Double Dark Rosetta x Pink Perfektion -Volker |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 4, 2011 6:57 AM Post #8470810
| I have some seedlings growing out from various lovely gardeners who will get their cuttings back from them in the Spring when the growth is happy.
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The first lot
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Butterfly x Adeline
Mountain treasure x Day Dreams
Naughty Nick x Miss Caylie
Ludgers Windsong x Mountain Magic
Ludgers Windsong x New Orleans Lady (this is the FFA cross)
The above were my first lot of Brugmansia seeds purchased from seedsprout (Brenda Delph)
The next lot the following year were also from her but they were older seeds sold at half price and the germination was all over the place ... most did germinate in the end ...unfortunately those that I thought were no good came through after I tossed them so they are no names ...orphans without a bloodline history :(
I purchased the mixed open pollinated Star Dancer seeds from a nice lady called Viola (DG's gardener.) because they are a rare thing.
__This is the second lot___
Butterfly x Adeline
Butterfly x Mon Amour De Mareuil
DJ's Can Can x Adeline (this is Heart Of Gold cross)
Day Dreams x Miss Lili
Day Dreams x Rubiline
Dorthea x New Orleans Lady
Dorthea x Day Dreams
Earth Angel x Pink Smitty
Genevieve x E.Pink.
Genevieve x E.Pink
Genevieve x Ma Belle Ami
Rothkirch x Genevieve
Genevieve x Rubiline
Genevieve x Safari
Jamies Monkey business x Pink Smitty
Lady Liberty x Meloncholy Baby
Ludgers Windsong x New Orleans Lady
Ludgers Windsong x Mon Amour De Mareuil
Ludgers Windsong x Pink Smitty
Ludgers Windsong x Rubiline
I think Brenda took the beauty of the German Genes and bred most of her lovely brugs from Heat hardy reliables crossed to these.
I think looking at the lists we have quite a few nice Genes here in Australia don't you?
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Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 4, 2011 9:08 AM Post #8471080
| Here are mine.
Angel's Flight x Charleston
Joli x Charleston
Charleston x Apricot Queen
Charleston x (Bergfeuer x Super Spot)
The above seeds were my first lot, they are about 90/100 cms now...as you can see. I'm very keen on Charleston...
Langenbuscher Garten x Bergfeuer...Langenbuscher Garten is LBG.
Bergfeuer x (Super Spot x LBG)
Angel's Sunbeam x ( Bergfeuer x Super Spot)
Angel's Swingtime x Naughty Nick
... ... x New Orleans Lady
... ... x Angel's Sunbeam
... ... x Sam
... ... x Mango Crush
... ... x Angel's Exotic
Rosalla x Pink Smitty
Rosalla x Sam
Rosalla x American Pride
Rosalla x LBG
Dorthea x Sam
Dorthea x Adeline
(Morgansonne x The Chief) x Berkonigen ****
Super Spot x LBG
Wildwood Romance x Dorthea
Most of these I only ended up with 2 or 3..not because of infertility...just inexperience.
But the one that I really liked the combination of, I have 4...that's the one with the stars...
As you can see, some US, some German.
Chrissy, how is the Rothkirch x Genevieve and when should it flower.
Mya, how have your DDR x Friemersheim seeds grown..I bought that cross and killed them all by over watering and I haven't seen Friemersheim advertised since...
Good old, Old Apricot...before it turns apricot...until I see the pics of it , I forget how simple and how elegant it is..
I'm still practicing with my camera.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 4, 2011 3:09 PM Post #8471872
| Old Apricot is a beautiful almost unkillable Angel.
Great range Dianne ...the brugs you are asking about were in the lot thrown out, they were all thrown together then germinated. So I cannot say except to say most of them are tall and without the Y's yet.
I do have lots of buds finally coming along because we have had a bit of Sun in the last few days.
My Brugs have gone through many trials and tribulations because of family illness and weather. (Hail was the hardest because actually took bites out of the branches and trashed the tops of many.)
When a Brug loses it's tip it sets it back a bit ...some were not potted on straight away etc so the result should have been much better had I been free to do certain chores.
I am lucky if I can get outside much any more perhaps 1/2 hours at broken intervals ...can't even shop etc any more so it's all slowed down a bit.
It will get better as my brother gets better.
From the big list, here are the ones listed as aurea species, not hybrids ("?" means that it is listed as "provisional", that it thought to be pure aurea, but it is not known for sure):
Here was some chat regarding pure and almost pure Aurea
List : it's an old thread from 2005 copied and pasted. For cestrum and anyone interested (Golden Butter Included)
Amarón
Berg Royal?
Biangán?
Buyés
Chloe?
Colombia
Culebra?
Dientes?
Golden Butter?
Goldenes Kornett
Huaca
Irradiata
Munchira
Orange?
Pink Lady?
Quinde
Rheingold?
Rosa Kornett
Rothkirch
Salamán?
Starlet?
Starlight
Tufino
Vienna Silver Star
Weisses Kornett?
HG 88-10 (Dr. Holguin)
HG 88-11 (Dr. Holguin)
HG 90-127 (Herta Blin) |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 4, 2011 7:14 PM Post #8472537
| Amazing range of genes there.
We are well on the way to creating a fantastic gene pool here in Australia :-)
Dianne, I took your advice and joined BGI (as you might see when you log in).
Colleen, in the BGI seedbank (for seeds available to members for 1c per cross + one postage charge for the lot) there's a beautiful sanguinea cross. I reckon it would be worth joining BGI just to get your hands on that seed :-)
Here's the photo of Bucks Fizz I posted over there, showing the thick coating of pollen on the anthers.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 4, 2011 7:16 PM Post #8472542
| And here's what I used it on--my Phanomenal x Superspot#1 bloom. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 4, 2011 7:40 PM Post #8472607
| Good luck on the BGI I am pretty useless ...when mu computer died I could not get back in because I couldn't remember the password so I joined again with a slightly different name ...I can't figure out some of it yet but I will get there eventually.
My silly security bars me from doing some stuff ...still figuring that one out.
Great pics ...great cross cestrum.
Hope it makes some happy babies for you.
There will be seeds sold from that site evidently ...so that is great news.
I didn't want to do Ebay so now I don't have to.
Love the idea of purchasing seeds via the breeders in BGI because I trust them. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 4, 2011 8:28 PM Post #8472697
| Timely warning, Chrissy. I *try* to keep a record of all my usernames/passwords in a notebook, but you've just prompted me to print out all the passwords stored in my browser.
Agree that seeds from fellow brug maniacs is always preferable to those bought from unknown and often unknowledgable ebayers; it's just that the choice hasn't always been there.
I see that you've 'started a conversation' with me over at BGI but don't really know what that is. You know I avoid Facebook like the plague, don't you LOL
Anyway, time to do a little packing and posting :-) |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 4, 2011 10:28 PM Post #8472811
| Oh dear I don't know either I just wanted to say hello that's all ...I am having trouble feeling my way around there compared to the older site ...seems I just learn something then it changes, mind you I think it's beautiful the way they have fixed it up.
Guess I am a bit of a Dinosaur in that regard.
Can't get back into that tropical oz garden place either no one knows me in this new thingy ...since I lost my email I rely on dg's mail ...face book allows messages to be looked at but I can't log into the actual gmail.
This Norton keeps demanding a master thingy ...I don't know what that is.
I am the only one using this so ????
Don't get me wrong I like it but I do miss the good old fashioned email ...with this windows 7 you have to have everything on on line storage so if you forget something ...you are in trouble.
I have an idea the person that hooked me up has some phone thing in there which I don't use and maybe I ticked something I should not have.
Never mind ...step by step ... inch by inch.
I'm sure I had a life before the thingy ...but where else can you look at pictures your grand daughter is sending from Germany at a Justin Bieber concert *groan* she was beside herself with excitement. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 4, 2011 10:57 PM Post #8472818
| Nothing's happening at OzGarden, so far as I can tell. Just a monthly (?) email but I don't think any new posts on the site.
No, I'm wrong; there are posts within the past day: http://ozgardenclub.com/
I haven't been back for at least two months as nobody seemed to be participating.
You should just start a new a/c over there.
It's well worth getting a book to help you with Windows 7--makes a world of difference when you've got a new operating system--makes you feel as if you're (at least somewhat) in control instead of being wholly at the mercy of some unknowing and unknowable power! If you google for whatever specific problem is occurring in Nortons, I'm sure you'll find *thousands* of other people have had the same problem ... and someone has found a solution. That's the humbling thing about the internet: it teaches you that virtually nothing is unique or original LOL |
ctmorris
barmera
Australia
April 4, 2011 11:56 PM Post #8472827
| Thanks for that tip about BGI. Cestrum. Can you paste a copy of the address for me as I can't seem to get a link to the site. Colleen |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 5, 2011 12:15 AM Post #8472833
| http://brugmansia.us |
IMCANADIAN
Moose Jaw, SK (Zone 3a)
April 5, 2011 2:08 AM Post #8472871
| Popped in to look at your fall beauties! Lovely brugs!
I see your having a little trouble navigating at BGI,if I can help just ask me and I can try to.
Heres they newest classified seeds from Liz!
http://www.brugmansia.us/forums/index.php?/classifieds/item/...
Take care,Joelle |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 5, 2011 2:21 AM Post #8472872
| Joelle you are the Canadian? HELLO :)
Thanks mate ...had a look now.
Those seeds will be gone in a flash.
Love the idea of buying from growers we know  |
ctmorris
barmera
Australia
April 5, 2011 2:23 AM Post #8472873
| Joelle, I've been trying to return your greeting but BGI won't let me even subscribe. I've regisered and when I try to pay my subs they tell me an error has been made and I can't go there. Even their help line tells me the same thing. I have sent them an E-mail but haven't had a reply yet. Thanks for any help that you can give me. Colleen Your link above does the same thing to me. Whaaaaaaa.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 5, 2011 2:53 AM Post #8472888
| Colleen just google BGI Brugmansia and it will take you to the home page of BGI then take a look around at the free stuff and join up where it says to.
I don't think you can join while going through Daves Garden ...don't know that for sure just guessing.
Just give that a try and see ...it may just be very busy right now ...I have a feeling those seeds are gone.
If you are interested in breeding Brugs I highly recommend you join. |
ctmorris
barmera
Australia
April 5, 2011 2:58 AM Post #8472891
| Thanks Chrissy. I will give that a go. I would like to look for the cold climate brugs. Colleen |
IMCANADIAN
Moose Jaw, SK (Zone 3a)
April 5, 2011 4:45 AM Post #8472973
| Hi Chrissy and All!
Colleen I can see you at BGI,did the registration go through on your end?
If not we will figure this out! |
ctmorris
barmera
Australia
April 5, 2011 4:57 AM Post #8472997
| Hi Joelle. I haven't received my confirmation yet so I haven't got a pass word to get in there. I still can't pay my subs either. It just won't let me in. Grrrrrrr. Colleen |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 5, 2011 7:15 AM Post #8473311
| yay I finally have got my mail back ...All 700 of them ((:^[
DELETE DELETE DELETE sorry caps stuck ...hooray I did it ...you can learn inch by inch.
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IMCANADIAN
Moose Jaw, SK (Zone 3a)
April 5, 2011 7:57 AM Post #8473406
| Colleen, I will go right now and find out what happened. |
dalfyre
Christchurch
New Zealand
April 5, 2011 1:42 PM Post #8474154
| I have been enjoying the discussion on breeding brugs - love genetics :)
just wondering if anyone has thought about using a pedigree form to list parentage.
Some have a space for a picture of the parent/s & you can get 5 generation and I think 10 generation might be available as well.
There are quite a few programs out there for varying prices.
I haven't used them as my dalmatian breeding plans came to a halt after one litter so there wasn't any need but I know a lot of dog & horse breeders have examples on their web pages especially if they are advertising stud services.
Perhaps there are even plant specific ones?
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Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 5, 2011 3:19 PM Post #8474353
| Colleen, I hope that you have sorted the prob over at BGI...
Teresa, I am using for a pedigree form for my Brugs, not a lot on it yet, only the parentage of the Brugs that I have been given or the ones that I have bought...
I downloaded a tree from the web at the start, then I was given an Ancestry tree, so now I can add the pics..
My bud is about 8cms long now...and I think that another Brug is going to put out a flower too...it is bunching in the same way.
So even if it doesn't flower, it might Y.
It's the Apricot versi x from Chrissy.
Glad that you and your new computer are beginning to get along, Chrissy... |
ctmorris
barmera
Australia
April 5, 2011 3:32 PM Post #8474376
| No Dianne, still not sorted. It just tells me there's been an error and won't let me in. I still haven't got my confirmation E-mail with access, so until then I don't suppose I can do much. Colleen |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 5, 2011 6:31 PM Post #8474816
| The first-generation seedlings are easy enough to keep track of, but as we get into subsequent generations of breeding I guess we might well need some sort of tool to keep track of each plant's genealogy. Where can we get a look at one of those pedigree forms, Dianne?
Colleen, as a subscriber you'll be able to request pollen too, so don't despair if you miss out right now ...
A bouquet of blooms picked this morning: Bucks Fizz, Aztec Gold, white suaveolens and my big floppy apricot#3.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 5, 2011 8:13 PM Post #8475054
| cestrum, you could use any family tree chart for a beginning, as they are made to show at least 6 generations on the one page.
I get mine from the LDS site because I use their free file for my family history,but there are lots of them available.
You only need one , then copy it as many times as you need.
Jean. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 5, 2011 9:10 PM Post #8475133
| What a pretty bouquet cestrum ...that's why I bought the Star Dancer seeds too because not only are they unsual but Star Dancer can sit in a vase for a couple of days without wilting ...something I would love to introduce into a line of Brugmansias.
Angels Trumpets as a cut flower (the perfume as well as the pretty centre piece) on the dresser or table.
2 days would make me happy because as you know they close down pretty quickly which is such a shame ...just look at that pretty bouquet of yours imagine if they could last a couple of days in a vase.
Colleen are you in BGI yet?
It took me a while to break down the door but I did get in.
Your security may be blocking it .
Looking forward to that bud opening Dianne ...hope you get a colour ! and a nice lemony fragrance.
I have striped buds on my Maya again I do love those striped buds.
Sprinkling here on and off ...oh well. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 5, 2011 10:18 PM Post #8475172
| I think some of the doubles might have greater staying power. Remember that fallen double-pink (Phanomenal x Superspot)#2 bloom?. The calyx rotted pretty quickly but, once I peeled it off, the bloom lasted for about 4 days in water.
PS My package should reach you today, Chrissy. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 6, 2011 12:01 AM Post #8475221
| I got the package cestrum and could smell floral spicy pepper tones before I opened it ...wow aren't those blooms so very unusual ...the cute little buds and the ribbons that are the petals.
I can understand the potential intensity of fragrance in the ripe ribbons of fragrance.
I will try to strike the cuttings ...it's pretty cool here but I will have a bash. I am thrilled just to have looked at and sniffed even the green blooms ...so plentiful you must be very happy with your tree. I can still smell it on my hands after rinsing them.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/santos/36819084/lightbox/
I hope that link works.
The Brug cuttings felt cold but I put them into some blood warm pre boiled water until they throw the nubs out ...hopefully they will think it was just night, I am leaving them inside overnight then out to the now enclosed verandah ...I seem to have pretty good luck getting roots growing that way .
The prickly hibiscus and the pink China doll rooted and are in cups now ...I sit them on the cement rail where the sun (such as it is) warms the bottoms through the day.
Strawberries are spreading like weeds and the Ginger is happily recovering from sunburn.
Thankyou I love them ...still sniffing at my peppery spicy floral scented hands here
Legend of the Ylang Ylang tree
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There is a Philippine legend that tells about a married couple who had everything in their life except children. In a dream, the gods came to them and promised to grant them a daughter, provided that the girl should never touch a man once she matures. The girl was named Ilang ("Flower"). She grew to be a true beauty, and there was no lack of men asking to marry her, but her parents guarded her in order not to break their agreement with the gods.
One day when the parents were not at home, Ilang went to her garden to collect a bouquet of flowers. Unexpectedly, there appeared a young man who for a long time had been in love with her.
He held her by her hand and said, "I love you, be my wife." Instantly the girl disappeared, turning into a small tree with very fragrant flowers. "Ilang! Ilang!" cried the young man. Since that day, it is said that the young man continues to wander in the garden calling her name.
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 6, 2011 12:06 AM Post #8475223
| Glad it arrived safely. Ylang ylang is for flowers only; I wouldn't expect you to try taking cuttings from it. You should find the fragrance intensifies with nightfall--it's very similar to brugs in that way. (I thought it would smell strongly during the day too, but it doesn't. Not here, anyway.) Am hoping you can describe the fragrance better than I've been able to so far--spicy cardamom is the best I've come up with.
Those running yellow alpine strawberries don't take long to form a groundcover at all. I can think of worse weeds :-) |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 6, 2011 12:09 AM Post #8475225
| About the doubles yes I forgot to post this picture ...I had to chop FFA to share and there were many opening (not fully or properly coloured) blooms on it ... I did not have the heart to throw them away and come to think of it they sat like that in a jar of water for three days giving me a sad look. 
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IMCANADIAN
Moose Jaw, SK (Zone 3a)
April 6, 2011 12:15 AM Post #8475229
| I think Colleen is in!
I am not sure of your specific issue, however in the past we remind people to use their email address to log in, not username.
I really am interested in seeing your family trees grow, that is a great idea to have the geneology type software, in which you can include a photo. I can't wait to see how this evolves for all of you. You could include pod mates ( plants that come from the same pod) like brothers and sisters. I think your really on to something... Bruggie Pioneers!
Good luck with this. Joelle |
ctmorris
barmera
Australia
April 6, 2011 12:36 AM Post #8475237
| Hi all. Yes Chrissy I'm into BGI now. I hadn't received my E-mail to let me in. It was there this morning. Slowly having a look around. Left a couple of messages and read a few. Chrissy I would love to have a huge vase of angels in the middle of my table even for a couple of days. Oh heaven. Colleen |
Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 6, 2011 2:06 AM Post #8475269
| Good Colleen, I will go over now and look at you..lol
I have one can of old beer left so my Brugs can celebrate Autumn...they seem to like it..
Molasses, Epsom salts and Beer...
I hope Anthony isn't reading this...he might be ill.
For anyone who wants a chart, there are loads of freebies on the web..this is the one that I was using...but there are many different
styles...check out this site...don't laugh at the source...
http://www.obituarieshelp.org/downloads/seven_generation_lan... |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 6, 2011 2:12 AM Post #8475270
| That's great Colleen just take your time and have a good look around.
Thanks so much for your help Joelle ...and your lovely welcome and kind thoughts.
Pssst cestrum off topic ...lemon barley sugar lollies becoming a strong top note in the Ylang Ylang blooms ...mmm.
Much stronger after dusk. ~~~~~~~ { |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 6, 2011 2:15 AM Post #8475272
| Dianne ha ha ha ok obituaries is different but makes sense ...thanks :) |
dalfyre
Christchurch
New Zealand
April 6, 2011 1:35 PM Post #8476360
| that looks a good one - not much different to the horse & dog pedigree forms I have seen,
probably better for the plants as the animal ones have sire & dam on them. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 6, 2011 8:11 PM Post #8477325
| Yes now I have to figure out how to use it but just give me a year or two *giggle*
cestrum what divine pics you have posted on BGI web ...love the Buck's Fizz with the bright azzure blue background stunning,may we have a copy of it here?
I am a member but darned if I can get the site to upload my pictures ...sigh.
I feel like a bit of a dunce.
Loved looking at the pictures in there though.
Determined to get some of those rose fragrant genes in some seeds as soon as they become available.
I don't know if this works or not but I will try
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=100001492877263&aid=131... |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 6, 2011 8:14 PM Post #8477331
| And this ...I can see it I hope you can because they look pretty all together
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=100001492877263&aid=734... |
IMCANADIAN
Moose Jaw, SK (Zone 3a)
April 6, 2011 8:22 PM Post #8477353
| Thanks Chrissy! And one of your photos uploaded I saw it!
Thanks for the link Dianne. |
cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 6, 2011 8:31 PM Post #8477373
| Chrissy, Dianne gave me an excellent tip over at BGI: Click on 'Use full editor' and then you'll get the option to upload photos. Will have to investigate this pedigree idea further, as it is a good one ...
Here's the Bucks Fizz pic taken in Sept last year, the most intense orange ever. The current crop of flowers have not turned such a dark colour. Perhaps next spring? Perhaps it's a once-in-a-lifetime event!
PS I've notice the ylang ylang (Cananga odorata) does take on a lemony tone as the flowers mature; when they're still immature, the smell is more strongly what I call cardamom.
Colleen, I've had a horrible thought about that flava seed available from BGI: it's not allowed under AQIS rules. You'd have to import seeds from different-coloured sanguineas (which are allowed) and then cross them with your own arboreas. Unless they can be labelled as 'sanguinea x'? No, AQIS doesn't allow arborea seeds into the country. So flava seeds, which are crosses of sanguinea and arborea, would also not be allowed.
So, no flava seed imports for us Aussies.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 6, 2011 8:44 PM Post #8477409
| That is so pretty cestrum thank you ...I love it! it's like a beautiful painting.
I do see one picture in there I didn't see it load so I thought it did not go through.
Notice the different colours in Alistair's Brug to mine ...full Sun definitely makes a difference.
Lovely Brug.
I will try that editor thingy after ...must go now and thank you everyone.
This morning the perfume was more herbal again with that heavy warm rubber note you find in Gardenia and Jonquils.
I did notice the fragrance is one that is much prettier away from the blooms ...the fragrance in the next room was lovely, it's a drifter like many fragrances better sniffed from ten paces away.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/196473/ |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 6:35 PM Post #8481595
| cestrum ...yesterday I simmered the Ylang Ylang blooms and the house was filled with the exact essential oil fragrance of the Ylang Ylang.
When I cooled it down later the water was scented and it lingered on my skin for hours ...it lost the rubber notes and became more floral after " cooking".
Lots of buds out there but some dropping as the nights cool ...so a few random shots from my older pics.
Until mine bloom again.
Oh and by the way I actually have an above the Y FFA cutting that suddenly threw out three buds at only two ft tall ????
FFA up until now has had to grow very tall before blooming so this is a surprise ...one bud has dropped off but I am really hoping to get at least one close up shot (and sniff) of it.
Random shot!
Brugmansia Clementine
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 6:37 PM Post #8481602
| odd random shot
Brugmansia Tenshi
(it gets to a Coral colour in heat)
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 6:39 PM Post #8481608
| odd random shot
peek a boo TT says hi!
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 6:41 PM Post #8481612
| Odd random shot
Brugmansia Zabaglione
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 6:44 PM Post #8481619
| odd random shot 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 6:49 PM Post #8481631
| odd Random shot
Old Apricot
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 6:53 PM Post #8481640
| Last one for now
seedling hybrid
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 8:41 PM Post #8481879
| And for those who can watch videos here is a lovely video from Liz's Nursery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyavQjnWTTg
How is this for inspiration ???
Can't think of anything nicer on a Saturday arvo after a gardening session out in the Autumn sun ...looking at brug buds. |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 8, 2011 8:46 PM Post #8481887
| All lovely Chrissy.
I have removed all the lower leaves on my brugs to allow the rain to get onto the pots.
I was lucky to get them all done just before the rain started. Theya re all looking good but no more Ys. .
BB is flowering as is Frosty and GHA of course. ( I love that brug) . Alphonse has a bud. The candida x has Y'd but no buds.
I think maybe neat season should be good for mine. They have all grown nice and tall. The older ones about 6', the younger ones around 3'- 4'. I have a few small seedlings in the orchid house.
After the winter, some of the weaker looking ones will go out under the cypress tree . Once the seedlings flower and i can see what they are , I will be able to decide where to put them.
There are a couple that I am watching to see if they improve at all. its no use me keeping those that just dont like it here.
Musketeer is one that is very spindly and prone to spider mite. Lipstick and Pink Panther dont seem to want to grow at all.
I am not pleased with the way a couple of the seedlings are going either.
This rain will be good for them as I just gave them all a good feed of cow poo a few weeks ago.
I would not swap BB and GHA for anything. They are so alike and so lovely.
Jean. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 9:04 PM Post #8481912
| Absolutely two of the very best for sure ...well this is why we compare.
My area is sort of somewhere straddling the different zones because of the cool mountain winds blowing off the Blue Mountains near by ...the back of the property is sheltered and a Sun trap however we are very windblown which makes life a bit hard.
Here is another nice little video ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S18JgIZ0Vws&feature=related |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 9:15 PM Post #8481920
| Last one and very nice but you might like to turn the noise down ...the blooms are lovely though so take a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bL3eOjmNiU&feature=related
Brugmansia Elfin Pink
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Texasgal77
Baytown, TX (Zone 9a)
April 8, 2011 9:17 PM Post #8481924
| Those are just beautiful Chrissy! Mine are just sticks after the winter. I guess they will be leafing out eventually. I have them over on the side of the house. I 've thought about moving them to the back where I can see them more often.
I will enjoy yours until mine bloom again. My red amaryllis are in bloom now. I will have to get a picture of them.
Mom took a fall last week so I have been at her house all week. She did not break anything which is a miracle with her osteoperosis. She is doing better today. I will look in on her again tomorrow.
It is just beautiful weather here. We do need more rain. I need to repot several Majesty palms and odds and ends. I think we can finally take down the wind curtains on the patio. Hopefully we are past any freezes. It has been in the 70's in the day and 50's or 60's of a morning.
Hope everyone there is doing well.
Jeanne |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 8, 2011 9:42 PM Post #8481951
| Hey there Jeanne ...sorry to hear about your mum.
Funnily enough our temps are similar to yours ... maybe just a tad warmer in the day and a just a bit cooler in the night here.
In one video I was just looking at the gardener was saying her brugs grow best when she empties her scraps (kitchen ) over their roots ...peels, used kitchen towels etc.
I remember throwing banana skins and egg shells/coffee gounds, tea leaves etc over the roots of my Old Apricot and it was about 10ftx 10ft in a season, I had forgotten that.
Good luck with your lovely Brugs and I hope they bring you great joy and AWE moments. |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 8, 2011 11:35 PM Post #8482037
| I went out to get this pic of Butterbomb while the sun came out for a minute between rain showers. 
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 8, 2011 11:36 PM Post #8482038
| Another view. 
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 8, 2011 11:37 PM Post #8482039
| Heres Frosty Pink right next to Butterbomb 
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 8, 2011 11:41 PM Post #8482041
| Frosty again, looking very pink just like coconut ice or fairy floss.
The day is rather grey but the sun did come out for a minute. The temp. is cool but not cold. They are down next to the epi house , also sheltered by the shed from any strong north winds as we had for the last 2 days.
Jean. 
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Texasgal77
Baytown, TX (Zone 9a)
April 9, 2011 4:42 PM Post #8483554
| Oh Jean, those are just gorgeous!
Chrissy, I will have to start throwing my coffee grounds over mine! They sure need it!
Thanks!
Jeanne |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 9, 2011 5:05 PM Post #8483606
| More of the red Iochroma... I coccinea...The plant has grown to over 8 foot tall and has masses of these lovely flowers on the ends of all the branches.
Jean.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 9, 2011 5:08 PM Post #8483612
| Iochroma cyanea. This plant is a giant .. over 12 foot high and as wide.
All the Iochromas seem to want to grow tall here.
I am stating to like them better than I did because they are so darned hardy.
I have 6 different colors.
Jean.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 9, 2011 5:41 PM Post #8483666
| Jean aren't they beautiful! ...did you look at the video on Iochroma cuttings ...that's where we go wrong they like cooler conditions to strike well.
The broken tip off the top of one you sent struck for me because it went into sand and a pretty shady situation ...it was growing well about 5 inches- then I stuck into a warmer place (the same place I have had countless seedlings and cuttings grow) and it died off . So that means they can't take a lot of warmth until a much bigger plant I think.
My purple one is a very tall plant with huge bunches of blooms while the Coral coloured one is only about 4ft (I think it was the one that was broken off at the top because it's sort of bushing out.
Perhaps it's a wee bit hot here but they still fascinate me because they are so rare.
Hopefully next year I might have time to play with the seeds again ...I lost some in that 42C day.
Oh darn more dropped buds today ...the night temps are getting too cold for some types but you can see excitement in others, it's a very interesting journey ... taking lots of notes when I can.
Odd random shot from previous blooms
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 9, 2011 6:51 PM Post #8483805
| chrissy100 wrote:cestrum ...yesterday I simmered the Ylang Ylang blooms and the house was filled with the exact essential oil fragrance of the Ylang Ylang.
When I cooled it down later the water was scented and it lingered on my skin for hours ...it lost the rubber notes and became more floral after " cooking".
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Chrissy, ylang ylang discussion continued here: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=8483799
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Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 9, 2011 10:04 PM Post #8484236
| Jean, you certainly tempt me with the blue Iochroma, I have some seeds so I might give them a go in Spring..
They will have to live in the front garden if they grow.
A house near me has one about 4ft tall in their front garden, so when they are that size they must be able to take the heat.
That Ylang Ylang sounds wonderful...sigh |
77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 9, 2011 10:30 PM Post #8484249
| Dianne, I have found that here in my area, the Iochromas dont seem to be bothered by the heat . My large red and purple are on the north side of the house beside the greenhouses where they get sun all day and some shelter from the wind . They get watered about once a week same as the brugs. they get the same fertiliser if I remember to put any on them.
I found that even with the severe frosts we had last year, they were not as affected as the brugs. All the other Iochromas are out in the orchard in the middle of a clump of trees so get some shelter there . They get only morning sun and dont flower as much. This may be because they were seed grown here and need more time . The red and purple were bought as small plants.
I am going to try some cuttings just out of curiosity .
From what I have read, you can keep them compact by trimming, which I will do in Spring.
Have a look on the internet and drool over all the different colors.
Jean.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 9, 2011 11:57 PM Post #8484300
| I will try the tiny new shoot tips like the video says but keep them fairly shaded until quite big.
Yes the different colours are just lovely ...I think like the Angels they need a touch of maturity to give the amazing display.
It will be fun to try any way. |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 10, 2011 2:09 PM Post #8485455
| Uh Oh ...dropped down to 10C this morning ...that will probably mean Green blooms from now on :(
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77sunset
Merino
Australia
April 10, 2011 2:16 PM Post #8485469
| Chrissy, its 10C here this morning and wont get much above that until at least 10 am unless the rain stays again , when the temps will be low all day. My brugs seem to love it like that. The flowers are looking very bright.
Must get down and take more pics. There is a large bud on Alphonse and a few more on Colin noid.
I am going to have a try at air layering on the Iochromas later in the year.
This is I. australe alba from last year. It seems to bloom in the spring only here.
Jean.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 10, 2011 2:49 PM Post #8485541
| Oh I hope the days give us some sun that seems to help.
If there is lots of Sun that helps the blooms, but once the temps drop down to 10C and under it takes ages for the buds to actually bloom compared to warmer temps. The good news is that the blooms last longer.
We have had mostly grey skies and sauna conditions this last season so it hasn't been kind.
I love the fresh conditions now so perhaps it may be ok, they say the Brugs like what we like (temps).
The Seedings and Brug plants themselves are ok but buds are dropping ...too much heat then sudden cold.
Some will hold their buds, some won't, so lots of notes :)
The Iochromas like it cooler than the warmth loving Brugs ...seems to me that the heat holds more danger than the cold.
I await the nurse today so I will be back after lunch.
Have a lovely Bruggie morning everyone !
*random shot* Wayne's seedling open pollinated Pink Panther x
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IMCANADIAN
Moose Jaw, SK (Zone 3a)
April 10, 2011 7:17 PM Post #8486313
| Your killing me with these photos!! Can you post a few at BGI so I can add to the gallery...thanks! |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 10, 2011 7:38 PM Post #8486365
| Ummm some are unamed ...I have a few that are named and registered but they are not listed in the gallery and I don't know how to put them in a new name part ...I have only figured out how to add to the ones already there.
Any clues?
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
April 10, 2011 11:15 PM Post #8486687
| Yes, a cold morning here too. ANZAC Day is the usual turning point for us. Lets hope we are not in for another really cold winter.
Here is a pic of 'Bucks Fizz' taken last year in spring. That plant was dug out last weekend as it was taking its time to buck up after getting frosted... We planted a new one struck earlier on. Plan is to grow it as a standard... That is if the Rainbow Lorikeets leave it alone!
Pretty bloom Chrissy.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 11, 2011 1:46 AM Post #8486713
| Yes Buck's Fizz was not very happy with all the frost and no Sun last Winter/Spring mine also was pretty badly chopped up from the hail ...but it will be ok.
I think it will be a great parent to many cute baby Brugs.
Early days yet but we are starting to get their 
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Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 13, 2011 1:20 AM Post #8492030
| Here is my bud, getting a lot larger and surrounded by siblings...
Slugs and snails attack at your peril.
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Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 13, 2011 1:24 AM Post #8492032
| Here it is showing how tall it is.
It has a working title of Topsy.
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Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 13, 2011 1:43 AM Post #8492035
| This pretty Brug is Colleen's Riverland Frosty Pink...
Colleen, why is it called Riverland?
It looks just like Frosty Pink...is there a difference or should we drop the Riverland.
I am sure it's not Crinoline, there are subtle differences in the skirt.
We need to sort these things out...now that we are getting serious about our Brugs.
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ctmorris
barmera
Australia
April 13, 2011 1:49 AM Post #8492038
| Dianne I called her Riverland Frosty Pink just to ID her as the one that came from here. Chrissy wasn't sure if it was Crinoline so I thought that was best til we knew for sure. She's lovely isn't she? Mine is about to have her 8th flush since October. They certainly are a strong grower and flowerer. What is Topsy's parentage, Dianne? Colleen |
chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 13, 2011 2:11 AM Post #8492054
| Wow just look at that baby point her bud up towards the sky!
How exciting Dianne!
I remember that excitement- and guess what ! the excitement is always there ...and when it is your own, well you will find out.
We watch with excitement too.
I think R FP is FP and to me Crinoline is different. Similar but different.
Sorry I have been missing in action but here we are with a brand new Brug about to be born ...as they say in the US of A
"push baby push" ...
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Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 13, 2011 2:17 AM Post #8492057
| Topsy is a seedling from cestrum's Ecuador Pink X seeds from Chrissy...
Wayne used a term for it, was it open pollinated?
It's a very strong bud and it's going up as you can see.
Maybe it's crossed with Old Apricot...it looks like it.
Was your Old Apricot old enough to be a pollen parent 2yrs or so ago cestrum?
8 flushes, Colleen that is amazing ...it certainly is a gem.
I am sure that it's not Crinoline, no flounce in the skirts of any that you gave me...what about yours? |
Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 13, 2011 2:20 AM Post #8492059
| Chrissy if we want to be sure about Colleen's FP how would we do it...lots of pics maybe...the leaves and flowers?
Got to go, back tomorrow...nite all.
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
April 13, 2011 3:39 AM Post #8492120
| Good luck with that seedling Dianne!
Here are a few pix taken this morning...
'Adele Essex'.
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
April 13, 2011 3:41 AM Post #8492130
| 'Hyacinth Bouquet' 
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
April 13, 2011 3:42 AM Post #8492141
| 'Mea Culpa' 
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
April 13, 2011 3:44 AM Post #8492156
| The little seedling nursery is coming along well. So far one plant in bloom and a few with buds. 
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 13, 2011 4:59 AM Post #8492245
| Oh Wayne please start the next thread with those beautiful Mia Culpa Angels ...how stunning!
So that is the elusive Hyacinth Bouquet ...she is lovely, she does not want to know me here ...I have her in both sun and shade and no luck, any hints ? apart from shaking the axe at her?
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WayneCarter
NW Sydney NSW
Australia
April 13, 2011 12:31 PM Post #8493047
| We have HB under 'Alphonse Mucha', light shade. She is a small plant here.Here is another pic of her. This time the inner "skirt" has dropped.
Continuation of this thread... ... ...
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1172607/
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cestrum_SEQ
West of Brisbane
Australia
April 13, 2011 6:20 PM Post #8493891
| Seachanger wrote:Topsy is a seedling from cestrum's Ecuador Pink X seeds from Chrissy...
Wayne used a term for it, was it open pollinated?
It's a very strong bud and it's going up as you can see.
Maybe it's crossed with Old Apricot...it looks like it.
Was your Old Apricot old enough to be a pollen parent 2yrs or so ago cestrum?
Sure was. Back then I was cross-fertilising a lot with Golden Butter, Aztec Gold and Old Apricot. And to a lesser extent, Dr Seus X (although only as the pod parent, I think, because its pollen is so scarce) and some white suaveolens. And of course EP itself.
PS I didn't realise Hyacinth Bouquet was a double: very nice.
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 13, 2011 7:19 PM Post #8494030
| cestrum do you want some HB ...it does not like my place, might like yours ...I will send you some in the Spring ...it has some orange genes in it if I remember right.
I am going to threaten it next Spring ...maybe wave the axe, I purchased it at the same time as Butter Bomb as you know BB has bloomed it's head off for me so many times I have lost track but HB must know I watch her on the telly and has got the cranks with me.
Ok off to the new thread ------------->>>>>©©©§§§ *giggle* |
Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia
April 13, 2011 9:54 PM Post #8494292
| Chrissy, you gave me a cutting of HB and I didn't know that it was double either...
What parents does it have? It's Alistair's isn't it?
It's growing well enough..
Also your Birthday Angel, what are it's parents please?
cestrum, even if we get a white from this bud,it should be a nice shape if they are the parents...
Have you had any results from this cross, yourself?
Judy, gave me a piece of Tantra and it's about to flower...
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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia
April 13, 2011 11:31 PM Post #8494336
| I thought you knew it was a double ...Dianne, my thinking was that perhaps it liked different conditions than my garden offered.
Glad yours is growing well for you, I am convinced she just does not like me. Perhaps I should stop calling her Mrs Bucket when she tosses her buds off.
I cannot remember off hand ...I wrote it in my journal (the one my hubby moved while I was in Junee last year) It had an orange in it is all I remember off the top of my head. I will try and find out.
Birthday Angel is a Ludgers Windsong x Adeline. No double but it does have double in it it's genes.
Please post your Tantra over in the new thread that Wayne has started ...exciting times!
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Texasgal77
Baytown, TX (Zone 9a)
April 20, 2011 9:30 AM Post #8508796
| Chrissy, I cannot believe you would talk negative to your poor little plant. They can since negativity and feel pain. They proved it on the show MythBusters on the Discovery Channel. Shame on you!
I used to talk negative to my plants...I'd say, "You'd better grow ...or else!" And they would "OR ELSE" every time! My Mother told me to quit talking ugly to my poor plants, no wonder they died...I hurt their feelings! LOL!
Now I try to be much more positive and loving toward them, and they have done much better! It's amazing, but they do sense and respond to one's energy.
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