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Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 9, 2011
7:55 PM

Post #8483988

In my quest to make my gardens look a little more 'zen' and a little less 'grandma', I am looking for some architectural plants that will add some graceful movement, height, and a little drama to the garden. I had wanted to put in restios for this, but, alas, they hate me. After two years of trying to get them to live, I am finished trying.
I am thinking of using clumping bamboo to get the same effect in some places. I love my black bamboo and its graceful habit and movement. I'd like to see what others have done with bamboo in terms of using it in the garden.
Post your photos and other types of suggestions here. I'm looking for plants that will add softness and texture all year and that will stay taller than they are wide. Other kinds of grasses are fair game as well.
bonehead
Cedarhome, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 9, 2011
8:35 PM

Post #8484138

Love the new thread -- nothing to add to it, but looking forward to new ideas. Funny how bamboo can be so hot and cold -- my son (the landscape guy) is totally opposed to anything bamboo. I think this is from his teaching rather than experience. I patiently await his 'ah ha' moment.
Kymmco
Seattle, WA

April 9, 2011
8:57 PM

Post #8484171

Cool. I love bamboo - and I'm actually also in the hunt for plants taller than wide with good year round texture (I'm verrrry tempted by the Polygonum cuspidatum 'Freckles' (Perennial Mexican Bamboo) at Plant Delights. I have clumping bamboo in three spots - and they all came with the house so I haven't a clue as to cultivars, except that one clump doesn't seem to get above 5 feet or so. It's my least favorite.

The key to me in really enjoying my clumps of bamboo has been limbing them up to about 2 or 3 feel and concentrating on good contrasting underplantings. I know I've shared this pic before, but it's one of my favorites - shows the twists and turns in the bamboo canes that limbing really points out.

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Kymmco
Seattle, WA

April 9, 2011
9:14 PM

Post #8484193

Here is the other tall clump - behind our pond area. Pampas grass, carex sedge, Chasmanthium latifolium 'River Mist', astilbe, and variegated iris (not all showing/planted in this pic) help mirror the spiky/feathery feeling.

I'm struggling a bit with how to create a mid-story though. Ferns and hostas work well to cover the feet, but then the bamboo is about 12 feet tall and there's nothing in between. It's such a small space though that I think if I put a mid-height shrub of some sort in there I'd have to pull out half of my perennial plantings.

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susybell
Vancouver, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 9, 2011
10:17 PM

Post #8484241

I love bamboos, I've got a clumper in a raised bed, and a runner in a wine barrel that I need to do something with. I wish I could have the black bamboo but feel that it's too big.

Kym, what I think you need back there is a big dramatic container or some other arty thing. You don't even need to put anything IN the container. Also, I've seen some great videos on you tube where they use reciprocating saws to divide bamboo clumps for sharing. (One reason it was veeery easy for DH to talk me into letting him get another tool, lol) That smaller one might be great for Pix.
Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 9, 2011
11:29 PM

Post #8484287

Kymmco, I love those photos! I was just reading tonight where people 'limbed up' their bamboo and now that I realize that's what's happening it makes sense. I kept seeing these clumps that looked like a big green mushroom, then I would see others where the lovely legs were showing. Now I get it. (sometimes I am slow..)
An urn or pot would be really nice in front of your bamboo. As sue says, you don't even have to plant it. Just something to draw the eye. Or a midsized perennial? That polygonum you like reminds me alot of some I grew from seed. Maybe it's bigger than mine. I think the variety is 'Painter's palette'. Variegated leaves and pink/red flowers just like that. Last year mine were about 3 feet tall.
Another tallish perennial I love is meadow rue, especially the one with the glaucus leaves and very pale yellow frothy flowers. That might be interesting in front of your bamboo. Here's the meadow rue I was referring to. Sue will probably remember the name. My brain is fried from working on taxes just now. You can just see the new shoots of the bamboo in the background. it's much bigger now.

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Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 9, 2011
11:38 PM

Post #8484289

I was just thinking more about your leggy bamboo and something with bold round leaves might do nicely also. something that would not overwhelm your other perennials, but would be taller and have a rounder form that would balance the bamboo. I have a plant in my head but we'd have to play 20 questions to find the name of it, even though it is easy. Here are some clues:
comes in different forms with names like 'the rocket'
slugs like it
the one I'm thinking of has round leaves that grow from a central base, the leaves being on stalks, maroon in color, with a very orangy/yellow daisylike flower in the late spring/summer. Likes moisture. I'll see if i can find a photo. I hate when my hormones wear off. I should just go to bed.

If I can't find that plant I'm thinking of, at least here is that persicaria I was telling you about.

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susybell
Vancouver, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 10, 2011
12:40 AM

Post #8484313

The Thalictrum I can think of is 'rochebrianum' (sp???) but it has pink flowers. The yellow one is lovely and I can't remember its name, either.

And I think Pix is thinking Ligularia for the big round-leaved one-she's right, it would be good there. They like moisture and shade.

Personally, as someone on a small lot, I am afraid of the persicaria-even Heidi sort of warned me off it, but I do think that one is really pretty.


Edited to add: Looked up the spelling and it's 'rochebrunianum'. ah well...not too bad for almost midnight, lol

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Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 10, 2011
10:45 AM

Post #8485101

Ligularia! Yes! That is it.
I have that Thalictrum 'roch...' and it is an amazing plant. I love it. The other one is Thalictrum flavum ssp. glaucum.

Some persicarias are clumping, some are running. No need to fear the clumping varieties. Kind of like bamboo. LOL!
susybell
Vancouver, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 10, 2011
11:12 AM

Post #8485140

LOL, Pix, I'll remember that!

Kymmco
Seattle, WA

April 10, 2011
12:07 PM

Post #8485250

Huh, thalictrum is an interesting idea back there. I have some that I got from Annie's Annuals in a full sun bed - just had to go look it up, and what do you know it's rochebrunianum! Thalictrum delavayi 'Hewitt's Double' is listed as liking more shade - that might work in front of the bamboo. It's a north facing exposure with very little sun.

I love ligularia - but dang, 'slugs like it' may be an understatement. I bought 'Britt Marie Crawford' last year, and I have never seen a plant go down that fast before. It was slug buffet time and they took the entire plant out in less than a month, regardless of all my various slug control efforts.

bonehead
Cedarhome, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 10, 2011
12:36 PM

Post #8485302

Re slugs and ligularia - they dessicate my 'othello' but not nearly so much 'the rocket' - wonder why? Both are in fairly shady locations, and 'the rocket' is in a damper bed which would seem to encourage the slimy critters. Maybe it is their companion plants, I'll have to think about that. Or 'othello' is just tastier for some reason.
kosk0025
Salem, OR
(Zone 8b)

April 10, 2011
12:38 PM

Post #8485304

Hi, just waving to get on the thread for learning purposes. No bamboo for me. 2 houses ago, my neighbor planted the non-clumping type and it destroyed the stone patio I had built by hand (literally the bamboo lifted the stones 6 inches off of the ground) so I have an aversion naturally.

Fine Gardening has an extremely detailed, wonderful article in the current issue (June 2011) entirely on the Thalictrum species. Excellent photos, details about everything you ever want to know about rue. (6 page long article!)
bonehead
Cedarhome, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 10, 2011
6:23 PM

Post #8486088

Kym, what a calm restful corner you have created. An idea for your mid-area might be one of the taller globe flowers (trollius) or masterworts (astrantia). Seems they both get about 2-3 feet with the flowers above the foliage. Not sure how much shade you are dealing with though.

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Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 10, 2011
9:19 PM

Post #8486585

Kosk, that is a nightmare story of a very un-neighborly neighbor, I'd say.
So Mike and I visited Jade Mountain Bamboo, which is very close to where I live, and, of course I loved it and also learned a few things about it. Like the fact that some of the 'running' bamboo actually walks very gently, practically tip-toeing while others sprint. And that if you want the nice big culms, you have to get one of the spreaders, so choosing a tip-toeing one is essential. The man pointed me in a couple of good directions and also discussed how to contain/maintain it. They have a patch of timber bamboo that is just beautiful. It's about 20 feet by 10 feet, and has been planted since 1998.

They have this one: http://www.bamboogarden.com/Fargesia%20sp.%20Jiuzhaigou.htm in the clumping format and it's very nice.

http://www.bamboogarden.com/Fargesia%20sp.%20'Scabrida'.html

No one has photos of their bamboo? I know there is a dave's member, I think Linda, who has a lot of bamboo.

I think I will keep an eye on craigslist, or for a trade for a clump. I'm going to have plants for trade this year no doubt.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

April 12, 2011
5:26 AM

Post #8489523

I love the look of bamboo, but am afraid of it. Glad you got correct info and pointers to contain/maintain it. I like the reddish stems in the first link. I'm always drawn to red.
Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 12, 2011
8:03 PM

Post #8491625

I was afraid of it too, and now I'm sad that I didn't research it more. We've decided we're going to have a grove of the big timber bamboo in an area that has not yet been landscaped, over by our tall fir trees.

Here's one of the clumpers i would like to have:
http://www.bamboogarden.com/Borinda%20papyrifera.htm

Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

April 13, 2011
5:55 AM

Post #8492328

OOHH that's lovely
kosk0025
Salem, OR
(Zone 8b)

April 13, 2011
6:29 AM

Post #8492366

love that shade of green!
Portland1
(Judi)Portland, OR

April 13, 2011
1:14 PM

Post #8493155

I have 3 huge wooden planters with clumping bamboo in them outside of my dining room window. The area is between my house and my garden designer neighbor, and we wanted something that would create a feathery screen but not be like a wall. I love it. The main floor of my house sits on a basement so it is higher than the ground level, and the view of the bamboo from inside the house is of the foliage and not the pots. Remember - I have a small city lot so privacy without blocking light into my house or my neighbor's is important. I think the gracefulness of bamboo is lovely.
Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 13, 2011
6:42 PM

Post #8493936

that sound lovely. do you know which variety you have?
Kymmco
Seattle, WA

April 13, 2011
7:44 PM

Post #8494086

Thanks for the info re running vs. tip toeing Pixy. Based on that I'd say I have two clumping types and one tip toeing. The tip toeing is my favorite.

Also, thanks for the idea to put a decorative urn in the spot by my bamboo. It makes a lot of sense given all the root competition going on back there. I tried it out with a big empty pot this week, and think it's going to work great. I'm not going to pass up the chance to put plants in it though!

springcolor
Lake Stevens, WA

April 13, 2011
9:37 PM

Post #8494279

If your looking for a big pot Molbaks is haing a buy one get one free sale starting April 14 tomorrow if you belong to their savings program and Friday for everyone else.
Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 13, 2011
10:43 PM

Post #8494320

I think Sue gets the credit for the pot idea, but we'll all want to see photos when you have it finished. Do you know what kind of 'tip toeing' bamboo you have?
susybell
Vancouver, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 20, 2011
12:57 AM

Post #8507999

I definitely want to see pictures when the pot is in place! What are you going to plant in it?
Kymmco
Seattle, WA

April 20, 2011
3:15 PM

Post #8509390

Okay - all the great ideas (and heads up on the Molbak's 2 for 1 pot sale) drove me to it :)

I bought two large skinny aqua pots for either side of the pampas grass behind the pond, and then took an existing pot that matches pretty well and elevated it in front of the bamboo. Here are some establishing shots, then I have close ups of the plantings in the pots.

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Kymmco
Seattle, WA

April 20, 2011
3:17 PM

Post #8509396

Here is a shot at pretty much the same angle as the 'before' picture further up the thread. Things in this bed are just starting to wake up (lots of ferns, hostas, astilbe, etc.) so hopefully it will fill in and mask the pot I'm using upside down for elevation. I'm sure walking out there and glaring at it and telling it to GROW will help...

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Kymmco
Seattle, WA

April 20, 2011
3:21 PM

Post #8509406

And now the fun part - the plants!

In the two tall pots I put in - Korean tassel fern, Ligularia 'Othello' (maybe four feet off the ground the slugs won't get it?), Oxalis 'Sunset Velvet', Plectranthus Dark Purple, and some orange and purple pansies.

The small pot has some variegated shrub-type St. John's Wort (from Sharon and Julie's), purple heuchera, and creme brulee heuchera (to match the orange oxalis in the big pots).

It all looks very just planted, but I think once it grows in a bit it will be very pretty and well suited for the shady pond area.

What do you guys think?

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springcolor
Lake Stevens, WA

April 20, 2011
4:22 PM

Post #8509558

WOW! Looks good. Be sure and take a picture when things grow up. Love the pot color.
bonehead
Cedarhome, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 20, 2011
6:54 PM

Post #8509898

Kym, very nice choices in both the pots and their contents. Really pops in the corner.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

April 20, 2011
8:16 PM

Post #8510098

Dittooooo!!!!
Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 20, 2011
9:32 PM

Post #8510239

Great color! Have you tried one of the taller pots grouped in front of the bamboo with the shorter, rounder one? It would be like a grouping of three - one 'bamboo', and two pots. Really nice choices for color.
bonehead
Cedarhome, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 20, 2011
9:38 PM

Post #8510247

Another thought while you are waiting for your plants to obscure the up-turned pot would be to find a nice piece of driftwood or forest stump to set it on (or perhaps that is illegal now...who knows)
susybell
Vancouver, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 20, 2011
10:01 PM

Post #8510272

Love those pots-the color is fabulous, and I like the shapes, too. I like Pixy's idea of grouping them all together in front of the bamboo, too.
PNWMountainGirl
(Sharon)SouthPrairie, WA
(Zone 7a)

April 21, 2011
8:34 AM

Post #8510955

Wonderful, Kym. I agree with Pixy that those pots really would look great a little closer together. Maybe another trip to Mobanks for replacements at their current locations? The plantings look fabulous with the blue colors.
kosk0025
Salem, OR
(Zone 8b)

April 21, 2011
8:37 AM

Post #8510958

Beautiful!
Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 21, 2011
9:24 PM

Post #8512639

I am definitely loving those tall pots. They have me thinking... and that's not necessarily a good thing.
tikipod
(Ang) Bremerton, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 22, 2011
7:48 AM

Post #8513244

Pixy I love the look of black bamboo. I saw it at one of the zoos, can't remember which, and instantly fell in love with it. Simply beautiful.

Is there a bamboo safe for containers? I just love the look of it.
Kymmco
Seattle, WA

April 23, 2011
6:31 PM

Post #8516262

Isn't every bamboo good for containers? I love black bamboo too - my have to go for a container of it one of these days.

So I heard what you all were saying about the one sad little pot in front of the bamboo, but another trip to Molbak's was not in the budget, and I already bolted the two tall pots to supporting posts in their current locations, so I did a little rearranging of existing pots.

Things still need to grow and fill in, but I think it looks better. And the pots look more level in real life than in this picture, I must have been standing at a weird angle.

Whaddya all think now, better?

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Willowwind2
Union, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 23, 2011
6:47 PM

Post #8516304

Love the color combo. Those tall pots are fantastic. Last photo looks good.
Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 23, 2011
9:07 PM

Post #8516611

Yes, much less lonely! You inspired me so much with your pots, I planted a couple of mine today. No photos until I find the cord for the camera, but I found an excellent large mother and a tropical asparagus fern to start me off. So two pots have those, then cuphea of two kinds, and other trailers. Can't wait until they fill out.

So I better get moving on this bamboo before spring is over.
tikipod
(Ang) Bremerton, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 24, 2011
10:47 AM

Post #8517483

I dunno Kymmco, I've never grown Bamboo but I've seen the giant plants they have at the zoo so I wasn't sure lol. I love the look of the black. I need to look for a good place to buy some. I asked at a couple of stores and they kept showing me that lucky stuff.
kosk0025
Salem, OR
(Zone 8b)

April 24, 2011
1:28 PM

Post #8517764

Looks great! Is that a georgia peach heuchera---I have some of those, very pretty. Pixy---did you put your cuphea outside already---? How do they fare in 40's/50's? My house is bursting with starts---getting claustrophobic in here. Greenhouse still under construction. And I want to boot a lot of these plants out into the rain so I don't have to water them anymore...but scared to take any losses.
Pixydish
Lakewood, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 25, 2011
7:42 PM

Post #8520587

I bought my cuphea at a local nursery and it was already outside so ,yes, mine's already out and potted. The stuff in my greenhouse, started from seed, is getting daily doses of 'outside' weather, then back in at night, but last night I left the door open. It's been too cold at night to subject tender plants yet.

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