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Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

April 23, 2011
5:22 PM

Post #8516139

I'm so bummed :(
I got it about 2 weeks ago. Last week I transplanted it into the S/H. I planted it about 1/3 from the bottom. Yesterday I was checking on everything and noticed a bad spot. It had several mushy spots and the bottom has turned a transparent color. I raised it up so just the roots are sitting in the S/H. I don't have much hope though. Any thoughts?

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Sally0
Yardley, PA

April 24, 2011
5:55 AM

Post #8516971

Sorry to hear that fish knees. I don't know if you can cut out the bad spots? Mine has been in s/h for many years. Many of the plants have roots that go right into the reservoir and are very happy living like that. This would be a good time of the year to move it, too.
helenchild
Decatur, GA

April 24, 2011
6:38 PM

Post #8518410

Fish_knees, I don't see the mushy spots. Are they on the top, where its kind of brown, or the little indents on the bottom half?
I think I would leave it dry for awhile. Unless I am missing something I don't really see any problem.
Keep up posted.
Helen

NancySLAZ

NancySLAZ
Sun Lakes, AZ
(Zone 9a)

April 24, 2011
7:55 PM

Post #8518577

I agree with Helen. I would let it dry for a while. That isn't hard to do here with the air so darn dry! Did I understand that you totally had the bulb buried? I have not grown this plant but shouldn't it just have mostly the roots buried? I would try that like you said ... after it is dry.
faeden
SF Bay Area, CA
(Zone 9b)

April 24, 2011
10:06 PM

Post #8518764

Don't worry, Fish_knees. Bowieas are a very hardy lot. If you have mushy parts just slice them off and let the plant callous off before you replant it. You could also cut off any dead roots at the same time. And as has been mentioned above, don't plant more than 1/3 of the bulb in the medium. It will recover, and might even give you some new little bulblets where you sliced off the bad part.
Desertdenial5
Tolleson, AZ
(Zone 9a)

April 25, 2011
2:09 PM

Post #8519688

I wish I would of read this before I threw my squishy bulb of this away yesterday.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

April 26, 2011
7:58 PM

Post #8522996

It has probably 3 large squishy parts on the top. I raised it so that it is sitting on top of the medium and the roots are buried, we'll see?
Sally0
Yardley, PA

April 27, 2011
5:30 PM

Post #8524953

I was reading about the Bowiea today as I bought another one-had to! What a deal. But anyway. I read a few posts that said their Bowiea was getting mushy and they gave it more water and it was fine. They were also scared it was rotting but it turned out that water did the trick?
faeden
SF Bay Area, CA
(Zone 9b)

April 27, 2011
6:57 PM

Post #8525182

Very interesting! Could you post the links here?

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

April 27, 2011
7:23 PM

Post #8525241

I read that too, if it's the same one it was Palmbob. I go out and poke mine 3-4 times a day, lol. It's not getting worse.

Scroll down on this page to Palmbob
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/59921/
faeden
SF Bay Area, CA
(Zone 9b)

April 27, 2011
7:34 PM

Post #8525263

I don't read the comments section of the PF entries as often as I should. There's a lot of great info on this one, including a further link to palmbob's article on Bowieas. Thanks for telling us about it, Sally, and thanks for finding and sharing it, Fish_knees!

P.S. Have you watered it well as palmbob suggests? Let us know how that works for you.
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 27, 2011
9:08 PM

Post #8525427

Thanks for that reference. I have been following these posts as I want to learn more about caring for my Bowiea volubilis as well as being interested in the S/H.

I read thru the PlantFiles comments and had some other questions so started reading. I did also find this link on watering http://columbus-cactus-club.webs.com/Plant%20of%20the%20Month%20Bowiea.htm
with this excerpt:

"Also, I have found that growing specimens of this plant - especially those which are growing their vining inflorescences - require more frequent watering than most other succulents, and should not be subjected to extended drought at this time (unless you want the plant to go dormant and loose its "vines"). I have found it best to feel its bulbs at this time to determine the need for watering - if the bulbs are very turgid, they can probably wait, but I they seem at all soft, give them a good watering. "

That explains why mine goes dormant in winter as I am reluctant to overwater and also validates watering a soft bulb.

That begs my next question, how can a bulb which is grown in S/H be too dry ?
Sally0
Yardley, PA

April 28, 2011
2:44 AM

Post #8525585

I have grown my bowiea for many years in s/h and never had a problem. Just switched my new one into s/h yesterday. In s/h it could only get too dry if you let the reservoir go all the way dry or maybe planted it in too big of a container I would think.
Desertdenial5
Tolleson, AZ
(Zone 9a)

April 28, 2011
12:52 PM

Post #8526610

Hmmm time to buy another and not judge it by the squishiness. Learn something new on Dave's everyday!

NancySLAZ

NancySLAZ
Sun Lakes, AZ
(Zone 9a)

April 28, 2011
4:15 PM

Post #8526928

I checked on ebay and they are $15.00 for 1 bulb. Does that seem like a lot?
faeden
SF Bay Area, CA
(Zone 9b)

April 28, 2011
5:48 PM

Post #8527155

I looked at those. They're 2.5-3" in diameter, not very big. I don't think it's worth it, but then I'm a scrooge. I think they're charging so much because they don't seem to be as available as they once were.

I've been looking online and Arid Lands has some: http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=bowiea

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Sally0
Yardley, PA

April 29, 2011
7:12 AM

Post #8528146

I think they are that expensive because they are such slow growers. One of the ones on ebay is my old one that I am selling now! I put in on for $14.99 as that is what everyone else was doing. lol.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

April 29, 2011
8:17 AM

Post #8528260

Yup, I paid 14.00 for the one I just got. Not sure if it will make it so I bought another from Aridlands :)

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

May 2, 2011
5:25 PM

Post #8535466

Got my new bulb from Aridlands. I ordered the one described as 5 inch pot. LOL, it is maybe 1 1/2 inches across. Less than 1/2 the size of the one I got on E-bay that was described as a 3 1/2 inch pot. Oh well.

Good news on the squishy one though. It looks like the entire top layer that was squishy deflated and hardened, ugly but alive!
Little_things
Port Elizabeth
South Africa
(Zone 10a)

May 2, 2011
8:32 PM

Post #8535946

You made me go and look for one tooooo! Ornithogalum sardienii = $4.50, Bowiea volubilis = $3.00

I guess these will not be so big but hey it seems a good price.
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 3, 2011
4:16 AM

Post #8536260

Fish_knees ~ did Aridlands list the cultivar you bought?

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

May 3, 2011
1:17 PM

Post #8537295

Yes, Bowiea volubilis
faeden
SF Bay Area, CA
(Zone 9b)

May 3, 2011
1:32 PM

Post #8537330

Fish_knees, if I were you I'd email Bob and Toni and tell them you're really disappointed with the size of the bulb. It definitely should have been a LOT bigger for a 5" pot. I've never known them to try to cheat people before, but if they don't satisfy your request, definitely post your experience on Garden Watchdog.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

May 3, 2011
1:55 PM

Post #8537383

Thanks faeden, I think I will. Here is a pic of the two together. I checked my e-bay history. The larger one was described as being in a 4 inch pot. It ended up being $15.00 on e-bay. So when I saw Aridlands listed at $15.00 in a 5 inch pot I expected it to be a tiny bit bigger :( Those are 4 1/2 inch pots that they are in.

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helenchild
Decatur, GA

May 3, 2011
2:39 PM

Post #8537460

I love the variety at Aridlands but have been disappointed a number of time by the size of their plants.
faeden
SF Bay Area, CA
(Zone 9b)

May 3, 2011
3:32 PM

Post #8537571

I think that's a perfect picture and explanation to Arid Lands why you aren't happy with your purchase. Go for it!

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

May 3, 2011
4:20 PM

Post #8537698

Sent them a e-mail with that pic. I can't imagine it isn't a mistake? Why would they specify a 5 inch pot and then send a 1 1/2 inch plant? They have many, many positives on watchdog.
faeden
SF Bay Area, CA
(Zone 9b)

May 3, 2011
4:28 PM

Post #8537708

Yes, and I know Bob. He's always done right by me, and I've heard good things about him from many people other than those on DG.
Desertdenial5
Tolleson, AZ
(Zone 9a)

May 11, 2011
2:43 PM

Post #8555300

HAve you heard back from Bob or Toni? I have visited their greenhouses many times and they have always gone out of their way to be helpful.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

May 11, 2011
7:12 PM

Post #8556590

Yes I did. I was a little surprised at Toni's response. I explained that it must have been an error. That I had ordered the plant that was described as being in a 5 inch pot and received a plant that was barely 1 1/2 inches. She said they put the plants in pots according to how much room they will need to grow. Huh? This plant is notorious for being extremely slow to grow. I responded that had I known it was a very small plant I never would have purchased it. She said I could mail it back for a refund :(
In a later e-mail she said they could give me a small credit. I truly thought it must have been an error. She said they have no idea how big the plant is in the pot until they dig it up to mail it...another HUH? So I guess I paid for the pot size that it may grow into in the next 10 or so years :(
Live and learn...no more purchases from them.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

July 1, 2011
6:49 PM

Post #8667058

Okay, now what? Is that hole in the middle a problem? It seems okay other than that.
I'm excited the other one has 2 starts on it :)

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Sally0
Yardley, PA

July 3, 2011
6:17 AM

Post #8669301

That doesn't look good to me. I would start cutting that out. Hopefully, it is a surface problem.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

July 3, 2011
11:35 AM

Post #8669837

Well Poo, not a surface problem :(
This pic is blurry but you get the idea. And upon closer inspection (put my glasses on).
It appeared to have mealy bugs. I haven't seen them since the 70's when they were on my Coleus in the macrame hanger :O
Any hope, or should I set up a DNR (do not resuscitate)

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Sally0
Yardley, PA

July 4, 2011
4:45 AM

Post #8671029

Darn mealybugs. I would put cinnamon on it and see what happens. You never know. I used a Bayer product in the water over the winter while the plants were inside and this is the first year I haven't had mealybugs.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

July 4, 2011
6:28 AM

Post #8671180

It's hard to tell from the pic but close to half of it is gone. The dark spot went really deep. I'll get out the cinnamon...got nothing to lose at this point :(
kareoke
Greensburg, IN
(Zone 6a)

August 3, 2011
6:54 AM

Post #8733944

No posts on here for awhile but does anyone still have one of these bulbs , I have had one for two years and I am dissapointed in it, it is healthy but all it does is grow this vine, I thought it would have some kind of flower.

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helenchild
Decatur, GA

August 3, 2011
1:36 PM

Post #8734712

It will make small green flowers that are easy to miss. Yours looks to be in a dark place. Mine doesn't do much in the summer but grows and flowers in a partly sunny window in the winter.
Good luck.
Helen
kareoke
Greensburg, IN
(Zone 6a)

August 3, 2011
3:09 PM

Post #8734902

well it is in a south window in my plant room and actualy is very bright, I cut off half the vine as it was so long but it has never had flowers.
faeden
SF Bay Area, CA
(Zone 9b)

August 3, 2011
4:33 PM

Post #8735133

It probably won't be very interesting in your environment. They need lots of sun year-round (or a gro-light) to make much more than a feeble vine. And, as helen said, the little green flowers are hard to miss, especially if the plant is inside. The only reason I saw mine is because it was outside in almost full sun and the sun reflected off the flowers.
kareoke
Greensburg, IN
(Zone 6a)

August 4, 2011
5:05 AM

Post #8735982

Thanks, maybe I will just put it outside and leave it, see what happens.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

September 10, 2011
12:05 PM

Post #8802309

Well I sprinkled it with Cinnamon and it was doing well (not dying) and then I noticed mealy bugs again! Arrggghhhh! So I took it out side put it under a tree and sprayed it with some Bayer. Checked on it the next weekend and the pot was empty! Searched around and found it about 3 ft away and pretty dry (stupid Grackles) I immediately started CPR :)
It's been back in the house in a east facing window (we had the 2nd hottest summer on record) Checked today and look! It has 3 little nubs starting! I can't believe this poor thing is still alive~~~~~~

Stay tuned for the continuing saga of "Lucky"

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helenchild
Decatur, GA

September 10, 2011
4:34 PM

Post #8802692

Three little nubs... YEAH!
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 10, 2011
6:25 PM

Post #8802831

Wow! Are you still keeping it in S/H?

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

September 10, 2011
6:49 PM

Post #8802857

No S/H, when I put it outside I planted it in potting soil. Too many days @ 115 degrees to keep the S/H moist. I did throw some on top of the soil because I like the look though :)

I think if we had a contest for the ugliest plant I could win~~~~
Sally0
Yardley, PA

September 11, 2011
6:46 AM

Post #8803282

I am keeping my fingers crossed for you! You certainly gave it your best shot.
faeden
SF Bay Area, CA
(Zone 9b)

September 12, 2011
3:32 PM

Post #8805584

What will most likely happen now is that you will get many new little bulbs all around the area that you cut out. That's probably what the little nubs are, with many more to come. Let them get at least the size of a dime or nickel before you remove them from the mother plant. I pot all my little Bowiea bulbs in one large pot and let them grow on from there. I don't pot them up into individual pots until they're at least larger than a quarter and better yet about the size of a 50-cent piece.

Also, watch out that you don't get water accumulating in the cut-out area.

Give Lucky a rub from me, and tell her she's doing great. LOL!!

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

September 12, 2011
7:05 PM

Post #8805914

LOL, will do :)
kareoke
Greensburg, IN
(Zone 6a)

September 13, 2011
7:26 AM

Post #8806539

Well I put mine outside it got shade in morning and sun after lunch, didn't do anything so I gave it away.
kareoke
Greensburg, IN
(Zone 6a)

September 13, 2011
7:35 AM

Post #8806558

I also have this plant that has pretty leaves but that's all, this is how it looked when I bought it it now has three long vines, still only leaves, do they ever get flowers.

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kareoke
Greensburg, IN
(Zone 6a)

September 13, 2011
7:37 AM

Post #8806561

Should have given you the name *S* it is Adenia, Fruticosa
Sally0
Yardley, PA

September 14, 2011
6:22 AM

Post #8807867

Nice plant but they don't get flowers as far as I know. I have one that has never flowered. Neat caudex though. Most of mine were bought for the caudex and they don't flower.
kareoke
Greensburg, IN
(Zone 6a)

September 14, 2011
9:43 AM

Post #8808092

Well guess thats the next one to go.

Lily_love

Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2011
10:01 AM

Post #8808110

[quote="kareoke"]Well guess thats the next one to go.[/quote]


...to go but where? My house? I'd give up an arm and a leg for that plant. Well, not the entire arm or leg, but maybe a portion of them? LOL What's an attractive plant.
kareoke
Greensburg, IN
(Zone 6a)

September 15, 2011
7:39 AM

Post #8809426

This is what the plant looks like now

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Lily_love

Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)

September 15, 2011
7:45 AM

Post #8809434

Very nice, may ask what's it?

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

September 15, 2011
8:42 AM

Post #8809501

Lily, look a couple posts up, she gave the name :) I love that plant!

Lily_love

Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)

September 15, 2011
8:51 AM

Post #8809511

Wow! Who would have thought it's in the passion family! Thank Fish-knees. How is the "knees" thing going? lol

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

September 15, 2011
1:56 PM

Post #8809880

Yup, Passion flower :) I need one of those! "knees" are great :)


Lily_love

Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)

September 15, 2011
2:17 PM

Post #8809921

yes, you and me both need that Passion flower plant. lol Glad to hear the "knees" are great. ^_^

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

December 16, 2011
2:11 PM

Post #8932379

Just look at him now!

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NancySLAZ

NancySLAZ
Sun Lakes, AZ
(Zone 9a)

December 16, 2011
2:33 PM

Post #8932400

Wow, Barb, he's doing great! Nice red pot too!
Sally0
Yardley, PA

December 18, 2011
6:06 PM

Post #8934800

He looks very happy now that is for sure. Good job hanging in there.

Lily_love

Lily_love
Central, AL
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2011
5:38 AM

Post #8937948

What's a cool plant! Love it!
helenchild
Decatur, GA

December 21, 2011
11:12 AM

Post #8938284

I find it interesting when someone calls a plant either he or she, him or her. I don't think if plants as having any gender identity. Are some more masculine, others more feminine? Or are they all male to some and all female to others? They are all 'it' to me. ^_^
Helen

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Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

December 21, 2011
6:56 PM

Post #8938691

This one was so homely it couldn't possibly be a "she" :)
amanzed
Los Angeles, CA
(Zone 10a)

January 19, 2012
11:39 PM

Post #8975019

I don't think of them as sexed (though most plants are both male and female of course). I don't think of my cars that way, either. But I do think of my plants as "little guys" (neutral sex)... as in, "Oh! tell me the story of this little guy!"... Come to think of it, when talking plants with friends, sometimes I'll say "he"... "How's he doing back there?"

[quote="helenchild"]I find it interesting when someone calls a plant either he or she, him or her. I don't think if plants as having any gender identity. Are some more masculine, others more feminine? Or are they all male to some and all female to others? They are all 'it' to me. ^_^
Helen[/quote]

mayniac69
New Castle, IN

October 1, 2013
11:58 AM

Post #9675178

Plants are truly amazing aren't they?

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

October 1, 2013
1:50 PM

Post #9675292

Lol, my "squishy" guy is doing amazing! I need to remember to take a pic and post.
helenchild
Decatur, GA

October 2, 2013
10:47 AM

Post #9675944

Yes please Knees. Post some pictures.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

October 2, 2013
4:52 PM

Post #9676324

Here he is! Sure glad I didn't give up on him :)
The second pic shows the bulb, it split into 2. The larger one is the size of a baseball.

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helenchild
Decatur, GA

October 3, 2013
5:11 AM

Post #9676640

Very nice. Bowiea volubilis is one of my favorite plants. The 'cloud' of green growth is beautiful.

NancySLAZ

NancySLAZ
Sun Lakes, AZ
(Zone 9a)

October 8, 2013
2:42 PM

Post #9681434

Wow, Fishie, what a great plant! Amazing his comeback.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

January 12, 2014
7:35 AM

Post #9745910

My plant is still going crazy :) It was covered in blooms several months ago and yesterday I noticed something about the size of a pea that was laying in the soil. Is this a seed? What do I do with it? Plant it? Let it dry? Break it open? I'm so excited :O
helenchild
Decatur, GA

January 12, 2014
10:05 AM

Post #9746029

I am not sure what your 'pea' is but this plant does make side bulbets and the big bulbs kind of split when they reach some critical size and become two side by side plants.
I briefly reread this thread about 'squishy' plants that came back on their own. I would have to say that that kind of 'squishy' doesn't mean rot but dehydration. I missed watering several of these once and when I discovered them they were 'soft' and wrinkly. They revived with water. 'Squishy' as in rotten wouldn't revive with more water obviously. The one that fish knees excised the brown soft part was rotten not dehydrated.
This is one of my favorite plants… I have a bunch in various sunny windows now growing like mad. They sun burn easily so I tend to keep them in in the summer. Maybe this summer I will try more carefully to acclimate them to the sun.
Helen

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

January 12, 2014
11:30 AM

Post #9746070

Helen, here's a pic next to a penny for size. It didn't come from the two bulbs. It was just laying on the soil. It must have fallen off from one of the flowers. Maybe this is another way of it self sowing? I'll try sitting it half way under some soil :)

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helenchild
Decatur, GA

January 12, 2014
3:16 PM

Post #9746192

Very interesting, I must say. I doubt its a seed but I bet it would grow if you left it on the top of the soil. Keep us posted.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

January 12, 2014
5:39 PM

Post #9746293

It's potted up in it's teeny, tiny pot. The wait begins...

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helenchild
Decatur, GA

January 12, 2014
8:10 PM

Post #9746400

I can't tell for sure but I hope you put the pointy end up. Heres to hoping.

Fish_knees

Fish_knees
Phoenix, AZ

January 13, 2014
2:42 PM

Post #9747102

I laid it on its side :)
helenchild
Decatur, GA

January 17, 2014
8:58 PM

Post #9750308

That sounds more restful. It should grow.

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