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I purchased 8 Canna rhizomes, two bags of Scarlet Wave and 2 bags of Maudie Malcolm (2 in each bag) from a nursery in my area back in early March. I potted them up to get an early start and then when they started to sprout and unfurl, I noticed the leaves looked suspiciously iffy.
Can someone please tell me if I should just trash these or am I jumping the gun?
Hi MerryMary, I'm so disappointed with this as they are growing away and I know I have to dump them. These were prepackaged rhizomes and I started them in the house.
I don't know if I should go to the nursery and ask for a refund or just eat the cost. I shop there every year for plants that can't be found at Home Depot, Lowe's, etc. My husband is adament that we haul the pots over there and show them the virused cannas and ask for a refund or store credit. I'm a chicken and don't want to cause trouble or be told to "get lost".
Any opinions on what would be the right thing to do?
It's not the nursery. It's whoever is supplying those cannas dumping them on unsuspecting people.
I cannot believe some suppliers are still doing that knowing cannas like that will infect any healthy ones you may have.
If you have clean healthy cannas, you will learn a hard lesson to plant those among them.
I plan on calling the nursery to state my case and see what their policy is regarding diseased plant merchandise.
I used to grow a tall red flowered canna with burgundy leaves long ago and dug up and stored the rhizomes every year. I gave it up after having boxes and boxes of canna rhizomes that I didn't know what to do with. This was my first purchase of new cannas in many years; looks like it will be my last.
A business is only as good as their reputation. Maybe they did not produce the cannas, but they are distributing them and thereby, unwittingly making a profit off of diseased plants. If they are indeed, reputable, they would want to know about this, especially if they advertise themselves as purveyors of specialty/quality plants that you can't get at the big box stores.
If there are more of them at the store, I'd look at the packaging and see who is supplying them to be packaged. The canna virus has been terrible, with large farms losing most. It's irresponsible for them to be selling bad goods. You may also want to contact your local Ag agency, just so they are aware that they are still being sold in your area. I've stopped buying any of the prepackaged ones, and only go with reputable dealers.
I also would recommend any time you buy canna, to start them in a large pot, so you can inspect their growth, before putting them in your garden.
Package states, "Grown from cultivated stock. Inspected by the United States, Canadian and Dutch Departments of Agriculture. Not for human consumption."
I have receipts from the nursery and on them it states, "No Returns/Exchanges on Live Goods. 14-Day Return on Non-Sale Items."
Also, each package cost $5.99 w 2 rhizomes in each. I bought 4 packages and out of that only 5 rhizomes were viable. The other three were black, shriveled up and dead. The packages were filled with peat so it was hard to even see what was in there. I basically picked by "feel".
Pardon me, but being new to this virus thing... I have cannas here that came with my house. They are what I thought was HEALTHY ! They have been growing here I figure since the 1970's maybe earlier. Are those splotches in the photos the virus? Or is it the light streaking?
My cannas have NONE of those signs, but I need to know what to keep an eye out for. Thanks!
What irritates me is that I know one of these was virused from first it went out. I was truly surprised to see it is still being distributed to unsuspecting buyers.
And like the person with the healthy cannas, it will spread to ruin all their cannas.
Abutilon, I don't understand, do you mean that one of these varieties was diseased from the very beginning of it's introduction? If so, does that mean the growers consider the "virused" look of this particular cultivar to be it's "normal" look?
I did not have the one when it first came out, but I did the the other.
Some knew about canna virus then because it was written in Cooke's book. Others like me who were new did not know it.
When I saw it and what it was doing, I learned as much as I could about it from experts who helped.
We isolated the clean cannas away from the diseased ones so I could work with both, and as I was done with the diseased ones, we destroyed them.
I was saddened to see Toni's post here.
It makes me angry that some of these same cannas diseased years ago are still being distributed by those who know they will cause grief where they go.
You cannot tell by the rhizomes. You have to already have them and growing them to see their leaves to see they are diseased.
But by that time they have probably already been in contact with any healthy cannas that gardener may have.
Hi darkeyes1023, I've been in contact with the nursery where I purchased these cannas and they have been cooperative and apparently removed and discarded their supply. Also, the grower was contacted by them and I am to expect a call.
Ok... Here are a few pics. The leaves I am posting are all new leaves. ANY white splotching seen is residue leftover from a dust I put out on the cannas a couple weeks ago to deter the catepillars from munching all the leaves.
Let me know what ya'll think. I don't see ANY of the splotches as seen in the virused examples, but I do see streaking... But it looks normal to me. These are all cleopatra cannas.
Lilyofthenight, I am no expert on cannas and only posted here after first reading gardenpom's thread "Canna Question" and then seeing the first leaves emerge on my potted up cannas. They looked suspiciously like the pics on the web of diseased and virused canna. Hopefully, Abutilon will swing by and give you an expert opinion.
For what it's worth, in my opinion, your leaves look so much prettier than mine and the flower itself is beautiful.
This is just an update regarding my dilemma with the cannas.
The nursery removed all stock from their shelves and then contacted the grower/supplier to advise them of the situation. I was asked to email pictures of all the leaves to the nursery manager and he in turn emailed them to the grower who positively identified canna virus and agreed to reimburse the nursery and the nursery reimbursed me. I also received a direct call from the grower/supplier and was told that canna virus was identified through tissue culture this year on some of their product after they had received it from the Netherlands and they were promised clean canna for next year. What will happen, who really knows? I don't think they expected anyone to notice or to be called on it b/c initially I was told by the nursery that I was the first one to complain about this. I told them that's b/c most people don't know about it and you can't tell from dry rhizomes. It was then that they agreed to play nice. All in all, the nursery was very helpful and took immediate action to rectify the situation. I got my money back and will continue to give them my business b/c they proved themselves to be honorable.
Thank you Abutilon and everyone else for all your advice and knowledge.
Toni, Thanks for your input and keen eye. I am so glad that it all worked out for you. Seriously, I Have had a problem with a mail order nursery out of Illinois... My first time dealing with them and my last. I won't go into detail here because I would have to write a small book. Let's just say I am out almost 100 dollars and not a Happy Camper.
Happy Gardening to You. !
When I did the Horn Co-op on here a few years ago (and you were able to go straight to their site and order with a DG code to get the discount) I can honestly say what I received should never had been shipped - I had over 6 beds of Canna's that were fine before I purchased over 100 rhizomes from them - I grew a lot in pots to get them started and they looked fine at first so I planted them in with my other beds - it was only while having a round up at my home that Tropicana said "Dee I hate to tell you this but your Canna's have Mosiac Virus" Upon closer inspection I could see they weren't what I thought as a stray varigation to the leaf but the virus.
Needless to say I destroyed all 6 beds knowing that not all canna's in a bed were infected - but just not wanting to take a chance it wasn't showing yet - overkill- perhaps (but because I grow a variety of gingers and elephant ears too I got rid of all Canna's - the virus is said to be able to cross over to them too)
I was truly devastated and sick to my stomach after having done all that hard work to only rip em out and destroy them...
I am truly sick. I have a pot of cannas that the leaves look awful. Everyday I would see them but was too busy to take a better look. I finally slowed down and can see they have something wrong. I came across the virus online. I think I have another one also and it sickens me to think of throwing them away. I will probably be posting a few pictures of some I am not sure of.
So -- as a newbie, I will ask again. What is a reliable source for cannas? I wanted to get at least a couple this year and I have no idea what to do! I've had them in the past, but didn't get them out of the ground in time, so I'm starting over.
I had only heard of dasheen mosaic on EE's in the past when I was told the mosaic from Canna's could affect other bulbous/rhizomous plants - so I'm passing along what I was told about the virus crossing over - hope it's correct...
Tissue culture cannot get rid of some of the viruses. Some cannas have not been able to be tissue cultured "clean".
Some also do not replicate well in tissue culture. Some old cannas we will unfortunately never see offered clean again.
It's been a tricky situation to get clean cannas available again, but several of us have been working to that direction, and it is getting there :)
Those still putting out virused cannas are not helping the clean growing effort.
Do the clean growers a favor .. refuse to buy virused cannas and let that seller know they should not be still offering them.
I will take some pictures in the next few days. How does one get a virus? Is is spread by an infected canna touching a healthy one? Does it stay in the ground? This particular one I am thinking of is in a pot. Should I get rid of the pot? I love cannas and hate to see this happening. Sorry for so many questions.
there is a lot of speculation that insects that suck on plants are carrying the disease like aphids etc...when you have time read the link above from Plants Delights - Tony's got a ton of info (skip down towards the bottom to get to the nitty gritty)
I would get rid of all the dirt in the pot wash the pot very well with soap and water and maybe even wipe it down with bleach or even rubbing alcohol (to kill any bug that could be hiding out somewhere. the virus is from touching infected one weather its bugs, or your tools.. I'm not 100% if it stays in the dirt but why take that chance..
For most of the virus, if you don't keep virused cannas around, then it is not there to spread to clean. CaYSV spreads very quickly and has been the most devastating to cannas in the last years.
A local grower not far from me has grown gorgeous clean President for many years. It is the only canna he has ever grown. He is far from everyone so never near any other cannas. I laughed when I was in his greenhouse he had aphids on his tomatoes right next to the cannas. An organic grower, he said he always has a few aphids on his tomatoes in spring. As he is far away and not exposed to virused cannas, I assume there is no virus in proximity to spread .. because if it was in his aphids tract, it should spread. So I now tease him about his pet aphids :P
Thank you, Sharon.
That is my old site, Sharon, I tried to take down because I cannot access to update. But they took the money out for the next increment, so it is still up ): I have been putting them on my Blog for now until I get that resolved: http://karcheskycannablog.blogspot.com
Virus spreads easily enough in live tissue. Touching, cutting, bugs, etc. and in live virused tissue left in the ground where a clean plant will be in contact.
No just makes them grow funny, maybe not bloom and look like crap when they grow.. Some people have said they dont mind the streaking in the leaves and keep them anyways, and thats fine just dont share them or plant them around others cannas as the virus will spread.. I however say kill them all, lets get rid of it once and for all..
this is my first year with cannas, now i am worried and am going to go check all of them. i would agree with killing the virused ones to stop the spread. also, if it makes them stop flowering then what would be the point of keeping nonflowering virused plants? i live in an isolated area, no close neighbors and no one gardens, so i dont think i could have unknowingly spread it, if i have it, could I? i just had my first one bloom yesterday so this is really disconcerting. maybe i dont even have it, but still upsetting to think people are profiting by selling diseased plants. well, better go look before getting upset. thanks
sorry, just read the link that was just posted. one more question-the brown line at the end of the leaf is or is not part of the virus thing? looks like the healthly leaf also had it, just trying to be certain because i know some of mine have that brown on the edge. very thin but there.
the streaking will burn up in the sun. I have also read that in full sun the the streaking is worse and will burn up alot faster then healthy ones.. I would recommend if you add any canna to a collection pot it first and have it FAR away from other cannas, also have separate tools for those.. If possible even in a green house/room alone.. The healthy leaf is edged in red that may look brown but its red.. the healthy leaf is what you should be looking for as far as veins ectt.. not all will have red edges
Here is my pictures. I am positive it has the virus. It has a tag in the pot saying Tropicana Sunrise. There is a hibiscus coming back in the same pot so I pulled out what I could till I get the hibiscus transplanted. I hope my others have not gotten infected.
Well, for what it's worth... Mine appear to be fine. And to think I was trying to get rid of these plants at one time, but they kept growing back even stronger. Now I am glad they did, because I highly doubt I would find any disease free ones easily unless I did mail order from some of the links here.
Good Luck everyone, with your cannas.
ilovejesus99, I cannot see the leaves well enough to tell.
If you take a leaf and hold up to the light so it shines through, you can usually see symptoms.
In a clean healthy canna leaf you should not have that.
For what it's worth I am assuming mine are fine.I looked at pics from links everyone was kind enough to post and also from your own examples and compared them to the pics of my leaves. I rarely luck out like this so I am a happy gal.
For Those of you with virused ones... I feel your pain, best of luck replacing them.
Good grief had to edit for spelling.. Sorry it's an OCD thing...
You guys -- I'm sitting here after being in a doctor's office last night looking at Country magazine. I got to a picture of a garden with a container of cannas -- which look as if they had the virus despite a bloom stalk developing. Lots of flowers, lots of variety, and I zoom in on the cannas and diagnose!
The Pink Beauty I've had in the past, has green leaves. I see them listed on a site, looking to be diseased, but the description for Pink Beauty states it's a variegated leaf. Has a newer one been developed or are they leading people to believe their diseased canna are now "variegated" canna??
If questions about how virus should look, google 'canna virus', virused cannas' and click on the images 'button'.
Not all the photos that will show virus, but many do to compare any symptoms you might see.
That's what I was under the assumption of...that nothing had been modified with Pink Beauty, and that it still has the same green solid leaves it always had. Which now makes me even more angry that a large well known company is selling virused canna as a variegated leaf, and spreading the disease.
I was at a Lowe's store Sunday and they had some cannas in pkgs marked down 75%. As I stood in line I decided it was not worth the 2.00 to see if they had the virus and take a chance infecting the ones I have. It was a great price but not worth what it could cost in the long run.
Sad to see places passing off ones with virus as variegated.
No only is the k. van bourgondien canna virused, someone i know ordered the Canna Stuttgart. We were going to do a trade. when shes got it they were all black, so she sent them to me to see if they could grow.. they had no white at all, just shrived black sticks, i guess would best decribe them.. all 3 roots in the package were like this.. I will never order from the big companies again for cannas, thats 3 times now they were black messes.. we have a few good sources here on daves and only they will from now on get my business.. People are better then a company, you can believe them and know they will do there best to keep clean cannas in there stock.. Big companies only care about the $$..
I dont mean to but into this thread but I just planted cannas in my yard that I bought in packages from walmart. I am afraid they will have this virus . I was wondering if I plant them from seed can they still carry the virus?
the cannas I got from walmart have the leaves now and they have yellow lines through them that almost look like veins, they are very pale green . Are the leaves of health ones then suppose to be darker green and no lines through them ? any good sorce out there for seeds?
Brought this from another thread to be seen here, also.
Many have spent A LOT of time and effort trying to eradicate virus from an infected plant.
It is better to grow clean healthy plants, be ever watchful, and stay as far away from infected stock as possible.
Thank you for posting the pictures mine do have the virus so I will pull them out . do I need replace the soil where they were growing? I dont have any canna seeds right now but I would like to start them from seed if I knew the seed was from non virused cannas. But I dont know a good source to buy from.