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echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

May 23, 2011
11:15 AM

Post #8582105

This is the only yellow/orange/red Echinacea I need. It has all the colors on one plant. I have two second year plants and they are better than any other yellow, orange, or red. This is the coneflower I've been wanting all these years. Now I can quit griping about the others and just get more of this one. "Flame Thrower" is good too but the blooms have a tendency to be deformed. "Hot Papaya" was good the first year, but this year didn't return as expected. I think it bloomed itself to death last year. "Hot Summer" is hands down the best of the hybrid Echinaceas in my opinion.

Check out "Hot Summer!"

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springcolor
Lake Stevens, WA

May 23, 2011
2:25 PM

Post #8582500

WOW! Yes that is good. I have some of those plants in gallon and about to plant.
Anticipation is so hard!
pennefeather
McLean, VA
(Zone 6b)

May 25, 2011
5:50 PM

Post #8587281

That is pretty. I like the different colors. As I'm typing this, I'm wondering if my tomato soup is going to to come back. I have so many coneflowers, I'm not sure if that is one that I pulled because I was trying to cull the herd.
Nevermore44
Hamilton, OH

May 26, 2011
7:07 PM

Post #8589648

nice... gotta hunt down one of those now!
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

May 29, 2011
5:26 AM

Post #8594190

Hey Clint. The color change is what makes "Hot Summer" so unique. Immediately noticed that last year albeit the color change is a bit different down here. It opens pink and changes to orange. My "Hot Papaya" has returned this year, but its really struggling to become anything. Back to a small sized plant that wants to set buds when its very underdeveloped. I've noticed in the past few years the double pom pom type echinaceas are not as reliable to return for me from year to year. The most reliable has been "Pink Double Delight". Of all the doubles from last year "Milkshake" has come back the strongest.
tggfisk
Garner, NC
(Zone 7b)

May 29, 2011
6:19 AM

Post #8594275

Jon, I'm amazed that Milkshake has done so well for you. I've planted that one 3 times now. So far, it's never survived the summer even though it was planted with other echies that did fine. I go with Tony Avent's creed that if I've killed it 3 times, then it's not going to be hardy for me.
Looking forward to see if Hot Summer will be as lovely for me as it is in your picture, Clint.
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

May 29, 2011
7:48 AM

Post #8594401

Thanks. Hot Papaya is a dud here. It returned very small. It was so bad that i just removed them. I thought last year it was good, but after it blooms, it seems to struggle to come back the next year.

I won't be buying anymore double blooming Echinaceas. I don't like them as much anyways. I just prefer the daisy style blooms on them.

Another thing I like about Hot Summer is the blooms last a long time.

nanny_56

nanny_56
Putnam County, IN
(Zone 5b)

May 29, 2011
10:03 AM

Post #8594614

Really sad to read now that you think Hot Papaya is a dud now that I wasted money on it because of what I read here.
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

May 29, 2011
11:18 AM

Post #8594710

It's good for two years but the third year it declined. I guess we need to grow them for three years to see if they last.
amorecuore
Ft Lauderdale, FL
(Zone 10a)

May 29, 2011
12:13 PM

Post #8594792

Maybe my specific "Milkshake" Echinacea plant is a strong healthy one Bev. Who knows. Always helps when you have a strong plant to begin with. I'll usually give up after two failed attempts with a specific variety. I give you credit for trying a third time on some.

I loved "Hot Papaya" last year. Too bad others are experiencing the same issues I'm having with it. I do like the doubles just as much as the singles, but am a little more hesitant to spend money on them, when I'm beginning to notice a definite trend in them.
Nevermore44
Hamilton, OH

May 31, 2011
2:20 PM

Post #8599713

I just went to my local nursery that carries a lot of the newer fancy echs.. they had a handful of these guys but they were all thick single stem versions with a few flower heads forming. They reminded me of the mac n cheese plants that grew the same but never overwintered.

boo!...
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

May 31, 2011
2:26 PM

Post #8599721

These actually are nothing like Mac n Cheese. These actually grow and come back. They also have many branches. Mine has lots of blooms too. I'll post a new photo later. They are over waist high too.
Nevermore44
Hamilton, OH

May 31, 2011
3:56 PM

Post #8599859

The only plants that don't seem to not overwinter are the ones that are growing just from a single growth point.. a single leader bloom stalk, so there isn't a lot of the basal full leaves at all. The first time i came across this issue was with 2 of the 3 mac n cheeses i have bought in years past. The one i did get that had a full bushy "undergrowth" came back just fine. This year though i moved it in early spring to put in a bog garden.. and can't remember at all where i moved it. I had the same issue with a few of the other varieties too.. so i avoid any of the echs that are growing like this.

I am going to look around to keep an eye for this variety though since it looks like it is doing well for you and a few others. I just won't buy the stock that my local place had to avoid the chance of a repeat mac n cheese.
springcolor
Lake Stevens, WA

May 31, 2011
4:33 PM

Post #8599940

mac n cheese was a big dud for me also. Also Tiki tourch!
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

May 31, 2011
4:39 PM

Post #8599949

They were both duds for me too. Mac n Cheese was the worst plant I ever tried to grow. Tiki Torch bloomed but never returned after winter. Maui Sunshine was a dud too. Now Cheesier was pitiful too.

Flame Thrower and Hot Summer are the only two of the new colors I'd recommend to anyone.
Nevermore44
Hamilton, OH

May 31, 2011
6:19 PM

Post #8600158

The my tiki is on it's 3 (or 4th year) now and doing well... tis the same story with some varieties... they work for some folks and not others.

My maui last year was another one last year that did the single stem and the died back to nothing. The now cheesier plug i just got in a group buy has two growth points.. so i am hoping it holds up. Would be nice to get a yellow with the standard purp form that is a strong grower. Paradoxa is nice but a different flower form and early bloomer.
roseycats
Dayton, OH

June 25, 2011
3:32 PM

Post #8654197

echinaceamanic, like your picture of your Conflower's very nice
blackeyedsue
Bountiful, UT

July 3, 2011
11:28 AM

Post #8669827

echinaceamanic- this is in reply to your May 23rd post. I am crazy about echinaecea! I have spent good money on the Paul Sauls series and many others, only to be very disappointed. 2 years ago, at a fall clearance at Lowes ,I found a stunning echineacea, it was named Hot Summer. I bought it because just as you said, it had all the colors that I wanted in one plant! Well 2 years later this plant is thriving I have already divided it once and they are both doing great. Meanwhile my other coneflowers are hanging in there, but I do not even care about them anymore, because I know they are going to die off. I bought this plant for next to nothing so I felt good about that. Anyone who really loves coneflowers must find this plant ( and I have noticed, it is not easy. It isn't in any nurseries around here; in fact Lowes doesn't even carry it anymore) It is awesome!!! I should take a pic and post it.
roseycats
Dayton, OH

July 3, 2011
2:07 PM

Post #8670052

I'm sorry to hear some of you Gardener's have some problems with some of your Coneflowers. I had bought 4 Milkshakes last year 3 came back, but don't what happened to the fourth one. Same with my White Swan. Not sure but I think the animals ate some of my Coneflower's. My Pink Double Delights and Pink Poodles did not get bothered at all.
Thalictrum
Noordwijk
Netherlands

July 7, 2011
1:06 PM

Post #8678590

I bought my Echinacea hot summer last year. It came back this year beautifull. I did take some seeds last year they did germinate and are planted. I am curious to see if they come back as hot summer. Probably won't bloom until next year. This Echinacea hot summer is a very strong healthy plant.
mrsspeedsgarden
Franklin, NC
(Zone 6b)

July 11, 2011
4:12 PM

Post #8686729

Woo Hoo glad to hear the good news about Hot Summer. I found it at Lowe's today. My Hot Papaya is outstanding but only my second year having it. Looks like next year will tell the tale.

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

August 4, 2011
5:08 PM

Post #8737298

Thanks for the tip!
rouge21

(Zone 4b)

August 10, 2011
6:39 AM

Post #8748280

IAfter seeing this thread am now trying to track "Hot Summer" in my neck of the woods (Ontario) w/o success. There aren't many coneflowers at all still available at garden centres at this time in the summer. I was hoping to get it in the ground now so it would be up and running come next spring.

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

August 10, 2011
7:27 AM

Post #8748344

'Bluestone Perennials' has them but I don't know if they ship to Canada. Also there is a seller on eBay with them for sale also (owlcreekgrower).
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

August 10, 2011
8:04 AM

Post #8748398

This plant is still blooming. It's faded somewhat, but it has thick stalks and good basal branching. I think it's as tough as the pink varieties.

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

August 10, 2011
3:58 PM

Post #8749304

That's good to hear! I'm getting ready to order one so I can get it in the ground this year. I also ordered, already, Amazing Dream, Phoenix, Daydream, Secret Joy, and Secret Passion. Have you had luck with any of these. I bought liners from Yahoo co-op.
It's been so hot, I think it will be a miracle just to get them alive!

rouge21

(Zone 4b)

August 11, 2011
5:42 PM

Post #8751089

Success! I was able to obtain 4 small but healthy "Hot Summer" plants this afternoon. I have planted 2. Grow roots grow!

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

August 11, 2011
5:49 PM

Post #8751101

Congratulations on your new additions. I hear they are really good Coneflowers, I wish you well and hope I can get one soon as well.
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

August 11, 2011
8:29 PM

Post #8751425

Yay. I hope they do great there.
Sherrygirl
Pasco, WA
(Zone 6b)

September 4, 2011
5:31 PM

Post #8793343

That is just gorgeous! I want some!!!
Sherry
rouge21

(Zone 4b)

June 4, 2012
10:13 AM

Post #9151653

So echinaceamaniac how are your "Hot Summer" doing this year? I bought several of these plants based on your recommendation but it is too early yet for mine to show flowers (at least they all survived their first winter).
rouge21

(Zone 4b)

June 25, 2012
6:35 PM

Post #9180920

This HS was planted late last summer. Here is its first flower for me:



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virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

June 26, 2012
4:12 AM

Post #9181402

That is a beautiful flower! Hope mine blooms soon. :)
etnredclay
Spring City, TN

June 29, 2012
1:29 PM

Post #9186488

Where can you get "Hot Summer" -- I couldn't find it by searching on that name.
echinaceamaniac
(Clint) Medina, TN
(Zone 7b)

June 29, 2012
4:43 PM

Post #9186728

Santa Rosa Gardens had it.

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

June 29, 2012
6:42 PM

Post #9186834

I got one from SRG, they still have some and they are on sale for 4.99. They come in a four inch pot and they have flat rate shipping and great packing.

http://www.santarosagardens.com/Echinacea-Coneflower-Perennial-Plants-s/71.htm
etnredclay
Spring City, TN

June 29, 2012
8:00 PM

Post #9186954

THANK YOU! Got one of those, and one of this, and one of that over there... had to just stop at some point and stop looking. LOL. Bookmarked the site as well.

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

June 30, 2012
4:05 PM

Post #9187935

Good Idea!! You will love them. :)
etnredclay
Spring City, TN

July 11, 2012
7:02 PM

Post #9202130

Thanks for the recommendation for Santa Rosa. I ordered 8 different ones. When they arrived today, some had flowers on them, an unexpected surprise. Superlative packaging, not a single broken leaf or stem, soil in pots, everything neat and orderly and lush. Their flat-rate shipping is fabulous... and encouraged me to keep adding to my order. Sneaky.

The plants are nice, not fabulous, but I didn't expect fabulous for 4 bucks. However I tapped one out of its little pot and saw lovely root structures. They were a bit dry --- NOT their fault as we've had terribly hot weather lately -- and they weren't completely parched. So I'm giving them a nice bottom drink of Super Thrive and have the bed ready to plant tomorrow.

I am VERY happy with my first order from Santa Rosa. So much so that I went back and placed an order for 15 ornamental grasses.

Appreciate the recommendation, Virginiarose

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

July 13, 2012
6:48 PM

Post #9204411

You are very welcome, I think with echies dry is better than wet because they rot so easily. Wow 15 grasses! I ordered three Golden Sedge from them. I saw a mass planting in the middle of winter with these and I just love the gold color they are evergreen here, maybe for you also. :)
Sherrygirl
Pasco, WA
(Zone 6b)

October 7, 2012
7:01 PM

Post #9299056

I reemember 09-04-2011 saying I want some. Well, I got some!!!! Received them from SRG and I am so happy. Grow babies, grow! ;-)
rouge21

(Zone 4b)

October 8, 2012
4:35 AM

Post #9299245

Sorry to be a downer but with widespread "yellow aster" disease and sometimes "Sunflower moth larvae" in the cone I have given up on adding new 'cones' to my garden beginning next year and in August I had removed several plants and replaced them with other things.

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