You're gonna love this .. I was wandering around Home Depot and was looking at rebar thinking I could thread some chicken wire through it for a trellis and right next to it was something called a Masonry Ladder. My jaw dropped. It's 10 feet long and 6 inches wide with cross pieces every foot or so. The ends are free so you can just step on them to get them in the ground. If you need something bigger then wire two together length wise or side by side. They cost only $2.79 here .. Here is the SKU number 213 470. If your Home Depot has them they should be right next to the rebar.
They aren't very sturdy to you'll need to shore them up for heavier vines.
They are terrific! I went and got more yesterday. I'm using some old metal poles to shore them up, they were part of the frame for that cheapo Gazebo thingy you get at the family dollar stores that blows away with the first good breeze .. (I'm so glad I'm a packrat - kept them for 2 years and finally found a use for them). I just pound them into the ground then wire them to the sides of the arch .. makes them super strong.
So grateful to you for posting that piece of information. Last year I planted some red honeysuckle on an obelisk. This year the honeysuckle was shooting out the top of the obelisk two or three feet and I just couldn't find some kind of inexpensive trellis or attachment to give it the little bit of support it needed (and was too cheap to spring for a six or eight foot trellis.) The masonry ladder should work just perfectly. Now if only my husband happened to be heading into town . . . but sooner or later we'll get some. Thank you!
Update .. these things are perfect! Plants love them and do very well. Next year they will replace all those crappy arches I used to get at the Family Dollar store! Every time I go to Home Depot I pick up a couple .. I'm afraid if I get bunches at once they will raise the price! At less than 3 dollars they are a steal!
You hit the nail right on the head with these they have like 8 hundred and something at mine there actually rusting they have been there so long I am running white christmas lights on them with the vines looks good at night
What a great idea, thanks for sharing it! I am late in the game this year but going hog wild with planting more and more seeds . I figured hey, if they don't fully mature, at least I have an idea of what I'm dealing with next year (habit, growth, etc.). Like the elephant ear bulbs I "thought" would be good houseplants that are now 4' high in the garden and waaayyy too big for my house :).
I have some various baby vines started I want to play with so I'm going to get me some of that too!
I haven't even bothered to look for them at lowes so I don't know .. being masonry ladders if they had them they'd probably be where they keep the mortar, rebar and blocks. At home depot they are right next to rebar.
Found another great use for them .. shade cloth holders! It's been so hot and dry here that when the sun hit my Black Runner Elephant ear it was literally cooking the leaves! So I spent about a half hour trying to figure out how to get shade cloth over the area to no avail then said Ah ha! Drilled holes in the fence for one end and stepped on the other end to get it in the ground. Then threw the shade cloth over it. Voila!
Love this idea. You are so clever ;) I've been trying to find something to make an arch over my backyard gate. I have several vines planted next to it that need and arch to climb over. Thanks for sharing.
Yep .. they are certainly going to replace all those flimsy crappy arch/trellises I'm using now! They both passed the test. A single one on the left held a Clerodendrum and the two wired together on the right were able to hold a luffa vine with no problems.
Went to our HD and they told me no such thing. What else is new. I checked myself next to rebar and they didn't have it. Will check with lumber supply place not to far from me. Small bus. and if they don't have something they will order it in.
Thank you for the tip.
Hmm .. that's strange! Your best bet would be to try a builders supply store - don't think a lumber yard would have it. I just did a quick check in the yellow pages for your town for Masonry Equipment & Supplies stores. You might want to start calling a few on Monday.
Thank you for posting the information Xeramtheum. Truly, this is a splended solution for vines. Plus a very attractive one with vines in flull bloom or just plain green! Even good wired together to make a nice wide vine trellis against a wall - easy to paint the wall behind the vines should that be necessary in the future!
Most masonry supply houses that handle stucco supplies will have them. I used to work for one and we handled it all the time, and most of the different sizes. Never thought of using it for trellis... You might have better results searching for "ladder wire"...I think the biggest size is 8" or 10", but they measure real weird. If I recall, they measure about 2" less than what they are called, 10" is actually 8", and so on.
Cut shorter, they would make great row tunnel hoops. Much sturdier than a single hoop, like in this picture, and would keep the frost cover or shade cover from sagging as much between the hoops, since they are wider. Thanks for the tip!
took a tip from kevcarr59 and looked up ladder mesh. Bingo! Found a manufacturer's site that shows all the different widths and thickneses they make. (some of the thicker stuff may work for tomato cages too?!). As if that weren't enough, there's "Truss Mesh" - with a zig zag pattern! http://wirebond.com/
Bonnie, HD doesn't carry the ladder wire, which is perplexing, since they carry all the other masonry & stucco supplies. When I drove truck I picked up the ladder wire at the distributor in Ft. Worth. One time I had to get 1 bundle of the small wire and had it on the back of a 48' flatbed trailer. Had a few chuckles on the CB with that LOAD...
In a few more weeks I'll be setting up my MG beds using the wire ladders - I'm planning to grow 24 different cultivars! Here is the list of what I'll be growing.
BP-MBR - F2 Cross
BP-MBR - F3 Cross
BP-MBR - F3 Cross
BP-MBR - F4 Cross
Aomurasakihigesibori - OP
Blue Silk - PB
Blue Silk ♀ x Rose Silk ♂
Blue Silk ♂ x Rose Silk ♀
Dbl Blue Picotee
Hige - Pink -SR_Bed_Center_Post_OP
Hige - Possibly Gypsy Bride - Mix - Frame-OP
Kanoko Red Speckled
Kikyo X Fuji - OP - F2 White-Feardyn OP
Kikyo X Fuji - OP - F2 White-Feardyn PB
Kikyo Zaki OP Fujishibori - F2
Mixed OP - Fearadyn - F2 - OP
Platy Blue X Fujishibori - F3 - OP
Red Picotee - A
I want to see them when they are all in bloom. You will have a spectacular display of MG. I would think they would grow here in central Fl. First to get those ladders.
Exactly what I was thinking. Have to buy a bundle. We have a 16 ft. trailor but lots of trouble to hook up just for a bundle but we have done wacker things. Just don't know what I would do with a whole bundle.
I'll find someplace to get it I'm sure.
Thanks all, Bonnie
Lol .. not to worry .. you should hear some of the attempts to pronounce Xeramtheum by people who don't know that X sounds like a Z. As to the boost in masonry ladder sales, I just hope home depot doesn't catch on and start charging more for them!
I'll be starting the MG seeds around late February .. I'd like to start them sooner but experience has taught me not to since they have a nasty tendency to grab everything in sight and give them a hug once they reach over 6 inches tall .. it's a real pain to have to extricate victims from the MG Muggers without damaging anything.
Isn't your forum name the name of a European plant? It just intrigued me so I tried to look it up.
I also ended up on www.wirebond.com site. the other night. When I worked in purchasing for FMC Corp. we ordered welding wire in large spools and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't mfg. that. My husb. is a retired welder and he said if he had a piece and cut it he would know what it was made of exactly. He studyed metalergy as part of an apprenticeship and has welded up many different types of wire over the years.
It's a riot how someting gets started on these forums and spreads like wildfire. I think its wonderful how we help each other develope ideas and uses for products intended for someting else. Ingenuity!!!
You don't have to worry about the trailer... If I remember, the small size I had to pick up was the 2" wire, and the pieces are only 6' long. You could put it in a Smart car...LOL... I has being a little sarcastic...
We have an old pickup that hauls everything. I have a new SantaFe SUV and have hauled stuff in it I shouldn't but heck its for my use not a trophy vehicle. Do you recall the price of a bundle and how many pieces were in it? If not that ok. I just like to plan finances as we live on SS.
Well sun is up and its almost 8AM so its time I got outside and got busy. Someone once told me a garden was NEVER don and always an ongoing project and its so true.
That was about 8 or 9 years ago so the price has more than likely gone up 50 or 60%, but it's not expensive. The bundles are about 20 or 25 pieces, depending on size. They don't weight but about 40#'s... or so..
It's called Reed Fencing .. I get it at Home Depot. Looks good for about a year or so then goes weathered brown. If you spray it with some water seal stuff it stays pretty a little bit longer. I have to replace it every 3 years. I just checked a Home Depot in your area and it carries it. You'll find it in the Garden Department.
Hey ya'll new to the forum and this thread caught my eye. when I went to the Lowes website I found that they call the ladders "Steel Remesh" http://www.lowes.com/pd_12150-157-05573_0__?productId=3010028 and sell them 10' long for $3.47!! I am over the moon since I have been trying to find an affordable solution to my vining tomatoes and I think this one just might work!
Any good masonry or stucco supply house should have this item, and in the different sizes. I've seen it from about 2" wide all the way up to almost 12" wide, but the thickness didn't change all that much.
Still haven't called but here's Wire-Bond tel. no. and they are mfg. 1-800-849-6722. They should have list of their retail outlets.
Xeran-just had plant RU here last Sat. By accident I planted MG seeds in 3 flats and they really took off. What was left I am putting in hanging pots. Boy do they cling to anything they are near. Wonderful.
BTW have any pics of yours now.
Accidentally clicked on Texas gardening forum. Wow what they did with cattle panels for trellises is fantastic. I'm sure with all the cows growing around here we must have them at Tractor Supply or one of the feed stores. Will check it out.
My husb. happens to be a retired welder and if he won't do he can show me how to. They made beautiful oblisks (sp).
I'm going to check when I get down there. Might be a while tho. 100 miles away. Will try to find something closer.
In the meantime, I have a question,and since you are an expert on Morning Glories it looks like I came to the right place. I planted 2 hanging planters of Japanese Morning Glories this spring. They are all filled out in vines, but no flowers at all. Am attaching pictures. I have them in the shade because when I put them in the sun they didn't grow and almost wilted all the time.
If you can help me I would appreciate it. Also, I gave them Bloom fertilizer once.
In my experience, Morning Glory's need at least 8 hours of full sun to bloom well. The only MG that seem to do well in pots are the trailing MG's like Shidare or Sunsmiles and then need to be watered twice a day at best when the weather is hot .. at least in my zone. I'm amazed that yours seem to have stopped growing when in full sun. Best to grow climbing MG's in the ground or pots no smaller than 2 gallon.
Also MG rooted cuttings sometimes won't bloom at all.
It depends on what you want them for Bonnie. Gosh, those cattle panels are really expensive. I paid $18 for mine, but that was about 6 or so years ago. If you are just putting light weight vines on them I would go with the others. But if you are going to put something like Trumpet Vine, or Kiwi vines, that are very heavy, I would go with the cattle panels. They would be there for years so the expense would be worth it.
Have you shopped around? HD, Lowes, etc. might have them. Would be, should be, cheaper than that.
M g's are so invasive here . No thanks .
That's ridiculous for cattle panels . Call around to all farm supplies and McCoys hardware if you have one in that area . Shouldn't be over 16-20 dollars apiece .
Forget the bolt cutter ,not enough uses for the price . Get an angle grinder . It's electric and can be used for many jobs , cutting the top off of nails that refuse to come out , as well as bolts that break off . You will use it for a lot of jobs that pop up . Cheap too .
Well, even Tractor Supply's to my zip code is $21.99 and the closest one to me is Laurel, Montana, no idea where that is, so not bad to get it to me for that price. Can't imagine why your quote is so high. Maybe that is their "in store" price. Don't know.
Still say Home Depot would be the place to try. Bonnie,do you have a Tractor Supply near you, or a HD? Lowes? Hardware stores? They all would have them. I can't remember, think you said your quote was from a feed store?
19.99 in my store . Didn't check everything , but consider shipping , is High !Wouldn't even consider buying online , unless they could be picked up at store .
Those feeder lot panels are expensive , maybe that's what you were looking at .
I was at a Lowes recently, in suburban Seattle so no cattle panels. But in the indoor lumber area they have a stack of "Mesh Sheets" which are 84"x 42", for $7.20 each which seems like a good price for a trellis. The squares look about 6" or so. It is like the masonry ladder Xeramtheum first mentioned (I was hoping to find the skinny ones). I have a bolt cutter though, so I might get one and cut it up to make my skinny tall trellis for a Clematis 'Bill MacKenzie' I am growing up a deck post.
I don't totally like the shiny metal look, would prefer rust. Does anyone know it these rust? When you see rebar sticking out of old concrete it always seems rusty.
I checked feed store first cause thats where we buy all our cow feed. We have a grinder. I plan to check at Lowes for the steel remesh now that I know the name. I want something I can haul out into garden put it tog. and set it up. Alamanda I have ia very thin vine so should support it with no problem. If I were putting something like wisteria on it I'd go for cattle panels.
We have been going to treatments every day for 3 weeks for my husb. and have 3 more weeks to go so haven't got much of anything done outside lately but I will when these trips are overwith. Hour up, hour there and hour home is a real pain but hopefully he will feel better from it.
Thanks to all for your suggestions.
Yes ~ 2013 has been a fall apart year! And it doesn't seem to be over yet...
Just a note to watch on the metal cattle panels in the heat of the south. Tender vines growing on metal in full sun sometimes get scorched from the heat of the metal. Just a mention to watch for this in case...