Can anyone identify this rose?

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

I photographed it in Raulston Arboretum on the first May. I think it's gorgeous, and would like to grow it.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

A closeup.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Or this one?

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Or this?

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Northern California, United States(Zone 9a)

I looked up JC Raulston Arboretum and they have a plant search feature. Looks like the first 2 images are
'Pink Traviata' http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.40252&tab=1
The third image could be 'Chihuly' which can have a lot of color variations http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.36777&tab=36
Last one looks like Austin's 'Sir John Betjeman' http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.47529

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Oh, thank you Sue! Now that you say it, I remember that it was Traviata. You are absolutely right! I remember that I thought Meilland when I saw it. I don't think I could grow it in my zone, other than in a pot to be protected in winter, but I might do it!

And, now that I recall, you are right about the Austin as well.

Chihuly I will do more research on.

It's fabulous that you can ID roses on site, and thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.

Donna

Northern California, United States(Zone 9a)

Not knowledge, just Google master! :-)
I just went through their rose list and the only one that looked like it might be your third image was Chihuly but your picture show a lot more orange so it could be wrong.

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Oh wow! I've been a supporting member for years and never noticed this feature - so thank you again. I have a bunch of roses I photographed and couldn't identify. Probably the most exquisite was Teasing Georgia. They had it and Graham Thomas and the contrast was amazing. Teasing Georgia plants had exquisite form, and the flowers were held beautifully on their stems. Graham Thomas plants were floppy.

Here are some images of Teasing Georgia.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Beautiful form, strong stems.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

I must have taken ten pics, I loved it so much.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Compare it to Graham Thomas, A nice rose, but no comparison. Yellow Austins, I learned, are not interchangeable. One day apart, same garden.

You've given me a new toy. I took a lot of pics over two days, and now I can label them in my files.

Delighted, grateful gardener Donna

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Northern California, United States(Zone 9a)

I have both but they are brand new. My Mom has a large Graham Thomas which is why I wanted one, hers is beautiful. Many Austins droop because of the large blooms. Here in Calif. most Austins grown larger than registered, GT can be trained as a climber so those nodding blooms can be enjoy from below!
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.45397
HMF has tons of photos of Graham Thomas, many show both upright and drooping blooms.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.1839.1&tab=36

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Wow! The first photo shows GT growing very much the way my Constance Spry does - upward, and then toppling, which I just love. I've noticed that if I have an Austin in a very sheltered location, like Tess, it grows quite tall. But some, like Glamis Castle, which is just as sheltered, tops out at two feet. GC is weak, but if you really, really cosset it, it grows into a short but lovely shrub, and judicious pruning actually keeps the heads of the flower from nodding. But this is really Madame Hardy/Morden Blush land.

I've always envied the way Austins grow in California. But then, they are not tortured by our weather.

Oh, and since you provided me with the Raulston link, I have been clinking on each rose. I think I identified the vibrant orange one with a yellow heart as Playboy.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.4875&tab=36

I've really enjoyed this. Thank you.

Donna

Northern California, United States(Zone 9a)

Your image looks like it has too many petals to be Playboy, with is a semi double, just a few more petals than a single. I had it for several years and the yellow center is quite large. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/194277/
Did you get any other pictures of it?

My Mom has had Golden Celebration for years and it's the showpiece in her garden, a 6X6 shrub with arching branches. This was it in 2008. It was incredible this year!
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/193335/

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Here is a picture with more yellow. I think I need to continue down the list and see if there is one that is a better fit. The coloring is close, but it does look quite double.

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Northern California, United States(Zone 9a)

Yeah, definitely not Playboy. Is that a bit of streaking I see on the petals? There are several Chihuly images that look like yours.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.37429
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.29202
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.156340

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Oh, I think you're right. I wonder why it's not on their list. But then there are a ton of things not on their list.

I wanted to show you something, because I'm dying to share it with someone and I think you can really understand it. I had never quite gotten the thing about New Dawn. I thought it was a little too pale, and I heard that it was horribly thorny. I was wrong on both counts. Here it is at Raulston Arboretum. You probably see these all the time, but I have never seen a specimen like this. The first pic is a little fuzzy, but it gives you the size. The others are clearer.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

As I got closer, I could see just how refined it is.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

So I went back the next day to take more.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

I was surprised to find that it is not particularly thorny. Quadra which I have on a trellis, is much more so.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

I need a bigger house.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

I decided that this was Daybreaker, but what do you think?

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

And this little guy?

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

As you can see, the rose garden was very nice.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

I took more pictures of it than anything else on my trip.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

It was fun to see so many different roses assembled.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

I tend to be more pastel, with a little red, so this was different for me.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

But in many ways the best part was the care they received.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

In the Botanic Garden here, they make a big fuss over their rose garden, but the roses are not pruned. So particularly the Austins have no repeat bloom. I went there when I was trying to choose roses, and it was difficult because they were not in great condition at the peak of the season. And admission is $20! Free little Raulston could show them a thing or two!

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Northern California, United States(Zone 9a)

Donna, I saw Chihuly on the list near the bottom, under Wekscemala. I hate how they list them under their registration names.
I think Day Breaker is a very good guess since I can see the name plate in the lower right of the photo! :-)
Hard to tell with your other large soft pink photo, I can see a name tag in the middle and it says 'Madame' on it but it doesn't match the color of the only rose that has that name on their list, Madame A. Meilland. It could be Mother of Pearl. http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.40978.1&tab=36
Did they all have tags? In public gardens and nurseries, I always take a picture of a bloom and then my next shot is the name tag.

That New Dawn is stunning, always loved large arbors covered in roses! I hope to eventually have a few here in my new garden. I don't do pastels or pinks in general, most of my roses and other plants are warm colors. I used to have all pinks and purples but switched when I started doing my inside colors all in warm tones. Now it's peach, orange, yellows, apricots with purples and blues for accents.
If you check my Journal here, you can see the ones I grow and what colors I lean to.
http://davesgarden.com/community/journals/vbc/Calif_Sue/55027/name2/
Click on my name and then my Journal and you can see all the other plants I have, it's a work in progress and I am gradually adding my pictures as I get bloom.

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

LOL about Daybreaker! Brilliant, Donna!

A lot of them had inaccessible or invisible tags. Or I would have had to climb into the middle of the bed to photograph them.

The roses I have will all be familiar to an expert like you:

Heritage
Glamis Castle
Tess of the D'ubervilles
Morden Blush (3)
Dublin Bay
Marchesa Boccella (Jacques Cartier)
Madame Hardy
Marie Pavie (2)
Heidesommer (3)
Rose de Rescht I had one but it morphed into 2, to my delight!)
Constance Spry
Gruss an Aachen
Zephirine Drouhin
Enfant de France
Sea Foam (2)
Glamis Castle (2)

I think that's it. You'll notice that they are all red, pink, white, or blush. Just like my peonies, until Steve gifted me with a Coral Charm. I also love heirloom plants.

I love roses, peonies, lilies and grasses the best. I have 14 peonies, and hundreds of lilies and other major and minor bulbs. My leaning toward pink and white is so intense that all of my daffodils are white or pink and white.

I just went to your journal, and I am astounded. I will be spending many happy hours going through it. You are indeed an Uber gardener! Thank you so much.

Donna

This message was edited Jun 2, 2011 3:46 AM

Northern California, United States(Zone 9a)

LOL, Uber just applies to all the PlantFile images I have added! I am a continuously learning gardener, by trial and error and lots of Googling and reading!
I love color themed gardens and your combo sounds just delicious!

Richmond, TX

It never occurred to me to coordinate interior and exterior colors! But then there is a lot of planning that escapes my attention...

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Oh, CalSue I think you are too modest! I also read that you have added many details that allowed entries to be completed. And the fact that you spent a pretty good amount of time answering my query proves that, modest or not, you are one of the best!

Oh, and as for colors I also use blue. I'm a texture freak. See what I mean?

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

I love plants tumbling together that have primarily cool colors and very different textures.

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Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

It's really my thing.

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Richmond, TX

Lovely pictures! I love the way you blend the various flowering plants. I have no design sense, my plants just tolerate me and look their best when they can.

Northern California, United States(Zone 9a)

Gorgeous shots Donna! Love your combos, that's my kind of planting. I don't even like putting two of the same kind of plants together, like roses or daylilies. I try to mix them up, even try to mix up different green foliages with gold, silver or bronze foliage.

Elgin, IL(Zone 5a)

Cal Sue,

I'm in touch with Raulston Arboretum,. They contacted me because they have a Google search feature that tags emails with their name on them. You were right, the first rose above is Pink Traviata.

And I am sending them pics of everything I photographed, because they do not have photographic records of literally thousands of plants. You noticed that we had to run through descriptions to ID some of them. I told them that they should feel free to use and circulate the images. They think it's great because they don't have to hire staff to do it, and I think it's great that a major arboretum is using my pics. What a blast! Every gardener's dream.

Donna

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Northern California, United States(Zone 9a)

Ohhh, that's just great Donna, I'll have to go back and check the list again with the new pictures!

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