Mine are just really taking off in the last week ,Planted them at the foot of a favorite tree that died so they can climb into the tree and give me another year with it,,Promise to sen pix as soon as it blooms
In my experience, the fallen seeds just sprout. I ended up finding it too aggressive a grower for my small area although the blooms are gorgeous. It is easy enough to control if you want to pull out the stray seedlings.
They die back in a freeze and reseed themselves. I just transplant or pull the ones that grow where I don't want. It does get large, but I wouldn't consider it aggressive. It grows on for me on chicken wire in the full hot sun all day long. I love it.
I love this vine! I first saw it growing in front of Romeo's Italian restaurant in Austin and helped myself to a few seeds as we left. It's an annual here and does not spread by underground runners or roots that break into numerous viable pieces when the plant is pulled, so it has never been a problem for me.
My grandmother always grew hyacinth bean and I had been looking for seeds for a while now. I found some this year at one of the big box stores. There were 4 seeds in the packet and 3 came up. I am just waiting for them to take off.
It's so good to see some of the "older" plants coming back into popularity.
And growing things that my grandmother and mother grew brings back such sweet memories.
Rather than trellis, I buy a roll of deer/bird screen, 6 feet wide and as long as I can find it, and I hang that up along whatever wall or fence I want hyacinth bean to grow up.
I have a long solid wall where I've put masonry screws along the top, put the screen on that and anchor it down below by tying it to bricks. On the fence that I like to cover, I use a staple gun to hold the screen up.
At the end of the season, after I have harvested enough beans to get seeds for the next year, I take down the screen and roll it up and dispose of it.
DON'T EVER PAY FOR SEEDS MORE THAN ONCE. They are prolific and they grow back great in the spring. I soak my seeds over night around last frost and then sow them, a couple to a spot. I've had great luck. In fact, I've had 40 or more come up on their own in the lawn because I was careless while collecting seed last year. :-)
Cheryl, I passed around the Hyacinth bean seeds at the swap today and everyone was excited about them.
I also gave all the lovely sedums to Glenna, that should get her set up very well with sun groundcovers.
Glad they will be enjoyed. I am looking forward to the fall RU. I planted out the 2 hibiscus last night, so far they are doing ok but will definately need water every day for a while (phox too). I am touched by you generousity.
I love hyacinth bean so much, I planted it all around the edge of my property this year. I haven't had a problem with it self-sowing. I found 2 or 3 stray seedlings this year, but easy enough to pull or mow. It is so beautiful in the fall. Mine usually grow up the fence, but you don't have to have anything. If they can't find something to climb on, they will just ramble through your bed like a passi.
I have better luck if I soak them 24-48 hours before sowing. I usually put them between layers of wet paper towel on a dinner plate. I've occasionally left them soaking too long and had them germinate putting out a tiny root before I sow them and they do fine.
Update on hyacinth beans. My DH (LEW_TEX) had mentioned seeing a beautiful vine growing on a fence in Cleburne the last couple of summers. He had no idea what it was. Yesterday he saw the lady working in the yard and stopped to visit with her to ask what the vine was. It's hyacinth bean. So now we have seed from her also. She told him she soaks the seed 24 hours and we need to get it planted ASAP because this is a little late to start.
For the record, I have never soaked the beans. I planted about 2 dozen in March and had 100% germination. One of the reasons I grow them is that they do wonders for the ego of seed-disabled people like me. :)
Well, I had some seeds that were several years old, in a plastic bag in the garage, and soaked them for 24 hours and planted them...and nothing! SO, one CAN mess them up! I really didn't expect them to be good, though. Wish I had more. They are very pretty, vine and flowers. Janet
Sun or shade for these babies? I can't wait to get some in the ground. Does the seed last if I don't plant them all this year?
I wish I could grow them on that split rail fence in front my house, but the horses eat everything they can reach. Does anyone know of something that doesn't taste good to horses, but won't kill them if they eat it?
[quote="sybram"]I wish I could grow them on that split rail fence in front my house, but the horses eat everything they can reach. Does anyone know of something that doesn't taste good to horses, but won't kill them if they eat it?[/quote]
Sybil, I wouldn't risk it. It is so hard to know for sure. There are a lot of things listed as poisonous to equines but then in practical experience we had no ill effects. For example, one miniature donkey owner I ran across on line cut down all the oak trees in her pasture because supposedly acorns were poisonous. Our minis eat buckets of them and the only ill effect is they get way too fat on acorns. But no way to know if one particular horse might be more sensitive than others. The other thing is in a drought they are more likely to eat more of some things than they would if everything was lush and green from rain.
Yea, right! Well, let me tell you! I planted a flat of qts. 2-3 per qt. They started coming up while I was in Indy (about 10 days). I got back & noticed something had helped themselves to my new babies!!!
Well, I haven't found any dead deer or any dead rabbits! So, they evidently aren't poison to my critters.
I have now moved them inside some chicken wire enclosures & we will see if it was deer or rabbits, that helped themselves to my babies!!!
Bariolio, that warning is for dried, uncooked beans. Same goes for the common Kidney bean.
My BIL gave me a great book, Wicked plants: the weed that killed Lincoln's mother & other botanical atrocities.
Very interesting read and surprising how many things we eat on a daily basis could be considered deadly if improperly eaten.
I want to borrow that book, also. Let me know when you take it back so I can order it fr the library.
Since I do so much traveling in the last yr, I now have a collection of library cards! Magnolia & Montgomery Cty, Hou & Harris Cty, Ft Worth, Hurst, Indy. etc. lol
About 3 years ago there was an article on Daves about the Hyacinth bean vine and it was reported that all parts of the plant are edible but the beans are mildly poisonous and need to be boiled and rinced then boiled again and it seems like the article warned about pets eating the beans that will fall to the ground ..Now about what the horses will not eat Don't think they would eat the leaves and stems of the trombone zuchinni not poisonous just very stickery.
I wrote to Daves and asked if they would rerun the article ,we shall see I hope I have finally found a good spot for mine as I have an awful lot of shade..Where I have the vines now is full morning sun and they are climbing up a dead crab apple tree and have now reached the seven foot mark ,so far no blooms but I think this will happen..
Thanks Grits, I've never grow enough to to think of them as a harvest, or eaten them. I found this interesting conversation on GW http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/edible/msg0817464813566.html
After some of the unpleasant descriptions, "tuff, stringy, odd color cooked, not good tasting as a mature bean". Tho, some did say they liked them. I'm left thinking, I rather take my chances eating limas.lol
Happiest in sun. Mine are on the east side of a wall so are in shade after about 2pm. Planted them 3/15, they are now taller than the wall -- 6 1/2 feet. If you pinch them off they'll grow more branches.
They do grow quickly - I know mine had blooms and beans on 5/15, so if you sow them early August you might get some blooms before they freeze (depending on where you are).
I really can't answer that personally, because I have never grown them, Cheryl gave those to pass around.
But I know they are fast growers so they might make it, we still have a good four months of growth time.
Save some for next year and you nothing to lose and could gain a lot.
Glenna said her beans were up in record time...try some and save some as Jo said. I have never had much luck with them and now I read (above) where you should soak them. So I think I will try some now also.
Re: soaking - Since I have more than enough beans, I first planted a couple of pots without soaking. Those came up in 2 days ! In the meantime, I had soaked several beans for 24 hours and those actually took a day longer to come up. But all are thriving. This must have been the bean that Jack and the Bean Stalk story was based on. LOL. It grows by leaps and bounds.
So in my limited experience, soaking doesn't seem to make any difference.
I find they come up quickly without soaking to, if you keep them moist. I created the ugliest arbor ever! Two plastic over metal plant stakes with a big piece of fencing over it. Those 3 plants I put near by better cover it soon...
Beautiful, Peony1066. I have never seen the actual HB vine before. Your pic makes me want to plant them everywhere. May even sneak into the neighbor's yard and plant a few while they are on vacation. ROFL.
Kick a little dirt that way & with a little water to start them off, I bet they would grow. Who knows, your neighbors might like pretty purple flowers & beans better than white & yellow!!! Or maybe the mixture!!! lol
Chuckl, you guys are AWFUL. They are beans, kissing kin to a scarlet runner bean, the Latinos I always knew name them Jacob's Beans, & trust me, cows and horses think they are food and will eat them to the ground, safely. They are nitrogen fixers, great cover for awnings, and will not survive a freeze. I believe the ones you are planting now are more vigorous a grower than those I grew in the late 70's and 80's, and I consider them more an 'ornamental' than a vegetable, but hey, whatever trips your trigger, chuckl, they will grow full sun or partial shade-gratefully so. Enjoy the vine, it gets lots of attention.
Mine are now at the 8' mark climbing on the dead crab apple tree,I have the HVB and a couple of the trombone zuchinni both climbing the old dead tree and am checking everydat for blooms so far NADA for the HVB but the trombones are producing squash aplenty
It would work well along a fence. I am growing it this year with blue sky vine, coral vine, and yellow hyacinth bean. The yellow variety is not nearly as hearty for me. It's growing but won't make nearly the plant. In the picture I showed it's maybe two or possible three plants.
I have mine planted on the side where the neighbor has 12ft tall Lgus. privets! I try keeping my side cut and have with permission cut them before, but she has a boyfriend now and I think he is able! At least if they grow up the privets, it will be prettier to look at.
I have 9 plants in a raised bed 2 ft. in diameter probably a little bit thick but didn't want to chance thinning from fear of the others dying ,,they are now past 10' but still no blooms ,,I can add they like the sun, last year I had them in a rather shady spot and was just lucky to get enough for seed ..The Lady that gave me my seed had hers growing on a chain link fence with full morning sun and some shade in the afternoon ..Here in SE Ok. we have such dence forest and a lot of mature trees even in town that virtually no one has full sun
Mine never bloomed in Wichita Falls til deep summer, I made one blooming set that would dry beans as the frosts came, gave me restarts for next year- I had them growing along chain link fence- try using a fertilizer with iron in it, not nitrogen, horses will eat what is not good for them just to get even with you for whatever is in their horsey heads, then pout at you... try maybe a muscadine grape along the fence, or pyracantha if you are feeling daring, or Irises always worked along our fences, the climbing okra also they will probably leave alone, maybe, never can tell what they take a notion to nibble on...
I have a stack of rocks in a bed away from the house. I'm going to try my beans there. Didn't get to plant any last week due to hubby's wreck, but I will this week. I'm wondering if the rocks will be too hot for the vine to thrive on.
The stack is about three feet high and wide and six feet long.
Got one bean in the ground yesterday after soaking 24 hrs. Also planted 2 Grandpa Ott's morning glory seeds after scarifying and soaking with the hyacinth. It'll be really cool if they come up! That's like MAGIC!
I saw some spouting this weekend that I threw out last weekend. I put up the deer netting in my ugly corner.(not for deer...just cheap trellis) Hope the beans and passion flower vine will cover it all up.
I'll bet it will. I sowed 24 of these this year because I wanted to cover my entire fence. Mine never bloom this early; they start up about mid-August and go until first frost. That doesn't bother me because it's a pretty vine even without the flowers, and when it does bloom, it's just soooooo pretty. My seedlings grow on anything nearby, or, without anything tall, just run through the bed. They do best in sun, but I've had self-sown seedlings in shade before, and they did pretty well.
What is maturity for beans-60 odd days I think? They will shoot tall, before ever starting to branch at the bottom, depends on what they have to climb I think, 10-15' is not unusual, My dad is growing them for me in California this year- they are a new experience for him too, he planted them behind his limas on a wall, now the limas are about done, and this will take over the area..
All four of the beans germinated in the peroxide mixture. They have been in the ground for 4-5 days and the teeny little sprout has doubled. It has been 101-102 all this week and my water bill is going to be horrendous. This is my only vice these days so guess that is ok.
Just today I added a little Epsom Salts to my roses and a couple of other plants that were turning yellow. It is NOT salt. Trace mineral that allows the plants to up-take some of the nutrients that otherwise not be available to the plant. A natural product that improves the soil. Neil Sperry advises against fertilizing in this heat because new growth would be too tender. The sun's rays have literally burned some of the plants. Look like a torch has been waved over them.
It's a hard summer to evaluate a new plant. I planted mine way too late in the season and they are climbing but still spindly. I think they needed to be planted in early spring but I didn't have the seeds then.
My friendly neighbor brought over about 8 "starts" of HBV and planted them for me...all I have done is water them once ...or twice a day when we got no rain from the monsoon...they are all wilted over...will they snap back? Jo
I have a pack of sweet pea seeds. I'm thinking they don't like really hot weather? If anyone knows their sun preference, tell me now! I'll probably try to plant in the early fall. What about freezes? Not that it freezes here in Houston very much...Can't even imagine a freeze right now unless I stick my hand in the ice cube tray... :) Anyway, I babble.
I'll also try my hyacinth beans again a bit later or should I save for next year? They are beans. I guess I'll look up when to plant beans. Janet
They don't like heat and they like a good amount of sun. Of course here in TX that means part shade LOL. They won't take a freeze either. I am curious how they will do for you. Ah, one more thing, they seem to dislike humidity too.
They fix nitrogen in soil, try a location that Needs fertilizer, like at the northeastern side of a pine tree? for afternoon shade, They will grow til first frost, if you late plant, try planting now and that should give you the 60/65 days to maturity, and they should grow til Oct at least, should give you time for blooms..
I checked my garden calender and the HVB were up at the May1st date so that is roughly 79 or 80 days till first bloom so got to figure anothe 12 days until beans form if any ..FYI they are maybe not in the best of growing conditions but lots better than last year
Actually I grow sweet peas most of the winter. I plant most of my blooming annuals in September and have them all winter. I used to garden in zone 4 and we just tossed the sweet pea seeds out on the ground in the fall and they germinated when the time was right, very early in the year. I grow my in the full sun in the early fall to spring season.
I don't think late planting hurts hyacinth bean too much. I let some of mine sit in their seedling pots too long, and it took them a while to get going once they were in the ground. But I've planted out as late as June before and still got good flowers in the fall.
Well I guess no one donated Hyacinth beans to my cause, maybe I can buy them. Going forward I am only planting stuff that's not a problem to grow. I am getting too old to worry about things other than the cats. lol
Do any of you guys thats been over remember the vine that I was growing and traveled all the way over to the top of the neighbors house? It had orange flowers. I think it was Mexican something!
Sylvia, I had hyacinth beans for you last fall, but you didn't make it to the RU. I also had some available at the June RU, but you didn't come to that one either. I will save you seeds this fall when mine bloom if you still want them.
found the book Wicked Plants at the library in McAlester Ok.yesterday while there on another errand I checked it out (my card works in any of the SE counties) So far I have found the book facinating and plan to buy myself a copy for reference (amazon .com $11.98) so thanks for the discovery Lulu
Jo I got my seeds today! Thanks a bunch! I owe you! Please tell me how to get this Yucca plant going, it is so pretty! I dont do seeds well at all unless its HBV or Zinnias and yes Hollyhock. If I cant sow it ... I will blow it! lol Anway I got just the place for two of these Yucca Plants!
Patti, I dont remember missing two RU's in a row, are you sure? Yes save me some hbv, they never get too old to plant!
Grits, you dont have to look for a used book on Amazon, they give you complete info on whatever they have in stock. Just love Amazon!
Peony Mexican Flame Vine is correct. I wish I could remember where I got the first one, it traveled all over the neighbors house. lol
Um, I'm SURE I pay for at least one person's annual salary by my Amazon purchases!! My son-in-law put me on his Amazon Prime account--so free, 2-day shipping! And I got Wicked Plants from my library and have been reading it. It's so interesting, especially the history they include. A real neat book!
I have a few hyacinth beans left and will try them next year. Every part of them is so pretty-the vine, flowers and purple beans. Can't wait for spring! Janet
Sylvia...I would try starting them in pots..they don't grow really fast...they like welll drained soil...not rich soil...but they love this clay/sand we have here...don't over water. let them get some growth in the pot before planting in a well drained location. Jo
Digger A lady sent me an e mail with a link for Abebooks I looked at it and the prices for any Amy Stewart book were scary I guess it is a UK seller as she just recently returned from there..Now we think we are diehard gardeners this lady lives on the edge of the Smoke Creek desert in northwest Nevada and gardens even so..We probably get more rain in our drought years than has ever fallen on here property in her life...
Bet the view is great . If she has a good well , and lots of water , she can grow grass . I did in Phoenix . Had a nice little garden . I sure like her house , what do they do for a living ? Can't see raising even goats there .
I'm afraid to ask what the building is in the back .For hunters , motel , horses?
The building in back is the battery room it is a solar powered home removed from the power grid by 13 miles she has an unbeivable view and sends pix fairly often ..She is a teacher that was forced to retire this year by budget cuts brought on by the closing of the school in nearby Gerlach Nv.which was caused by the closing of the USG sheetrock plant in Empire Nv... Like Dominos it is just a cascading event .Here is a pic she sent last year I think it qualifies as a pretty good view..
Jeri Christopher is the name she and her DH built the house with a little help from friends the house is a little bit diferent now than when first built it now has a metal roof and composite siding and all of the decks and railing are of a fireproof material ,everything was done to make it as fireproof as possible
Sheila the average snowfall is measured in inches so no skiing and she does have a pretty nice flower display with her sunflowers being the star of the garden in every shade that one can imagine She was my grandson'e first grade teacher and he starts school at Univ.of Maryland this fall ...so I have known her a few years
Don't believe I mentioned that when I returned my Wicked Plants book the librarian suggested that I might like another book by Ms. Stewart ..so now I am all about wicked bugs be afraid be very afraid It is proving to be even more gross than the plant book..
Very happy to report that the rain and cooler weather have caused the HBV to start blooming all the way to the top of the dead tree that they are planted under if they get a little thicker will send a pic,it has rained here all day which has gladened everyone's heart The picture is Jeri And Mike at home near the Granite Range >Washoe Co. Northern Nevada
Hi , R R . You've got to get to Georgia again , with that sweet son of yours .We sure had a good time and I've gotten several girl friends that have made your soft necklaces . A big hit here . Digger (Sally)
I have just learned the Southwest will be flying into Atlanta starting Feb. 2012...now all I have to do is get a ride on over to Martinez!! I enjoyed my little RU very much...and would love to do it again. Jo
You have a place to lay your head with me or Eufaula . She says my bed is too hard but I'm going to put another mattress on both the twins . She says I need to open that room and let it air , so can do that . I live too close to a gravel road and try to keep the dust down . Anyway you're welcome to come .
awhile, they dry slo, the color will change and you'll notice it, until then the bean is still growing inside-plumping out- maybe another month at least, and grits? it may be Oct before your beans are ready to harvest...
chuckl, my dad grew my beans in Escondido,Ca for me, the damsels love them, and he does too, but says he feels cheated, he wants the edible ones. The vines are gorgeous where he has them and they love the heat n humidity there- not like my dau's home when I arrived- in shock at how dry it is- and 109* for months she claims
Harvest time for the beans mine are just loaded but most are still immature but everytime one starts to shrivel I pick it ,Don't want any to open and fall out ,,will they do that ?? anyway have a big crop of them so will harvest as they become mature...
shrinks around them and the glorious purple color fades away, you pull them from their cling to the old vines, and peel them free when good n dry, when only vines remain and leaves have blown on the fall winds, chuckl, there you go
This should do it for this thread this year I ended up cutting the limbs off the dead crab apple in order to harvest the beans so I wound up with about a gallon of the pods and placed them on a drying rack wher they have now shrunk to about 1/2 of that and found that any that get dropped on wet ground wiil split ..the reason I was worried about that is my dogs will eat anything ..anyways I will have seeds for next year..
They are the most gross, ugly, grasshoopers you ever want to see...they seem to invade us in more numbers every few years...this was their year!! The make a crunching noise when you step on them...LOL Jo
I dried and save a bunch just have to find them ,meanwhile send me a mailing address..Glad someone ressurected this thread think I shall start some from seed pretty soon just to have as freebies for my gardening class But don't know if it is better to just wait and direct sow ..Seems like they are only going to bear when the days start to shorten ..What do Y'all think ??????
There is no garrantee that these seed are any good as Y'all know last year was just a horrible growing year I have not shelled any of the pods other than a few I did while sitting here just now but the seeds look okay but a little bit smaller than I membered
I have no problem getting seeds from this plant. Have a pound or so if anyone needs some seeds. Dmail me and send a SASE.
They are a slow starter, but are rockets once the roots are established. I have found they do much better if they start from the ground versus transplanting seed pots where you want them to grow. Plant several together and pinch off the weaker ones once sprouted.
Once they start blooming profusely in mid summer they drop a lot of dead blooms, so I would also advise against planting them close to your patio or driveway unless you want to be sweeping or blowing them off regularly.
They do thrive best in as much full sun as possible. Last summer the heat and dryness was an exception in our area, and mine did OK, but not like some previous years. The fence I grow them on faces west, so it takes them a bit longer to get the early east morning sun. I got a very late start due to a new fence being installed, so that might have been part of the problem for their delay.
Frilly lilly Just had to bring this thread back up so to tell you a little story .We are in the process of cleaning out a house that my MIL lived in for over 50 years .During one session we found a small package of seeds ,I think they were in a tin box ,were bright red and some a bright pink .A friend is a diehard seed collector, she will save any and all seeds she gets even a whiff of ..as none of us wanted the seeds she asked if she could have them to which we readily agreed..After we got home I got one of those nagging feelings so grabbed the Wicked Weeds book and searched until I found the seeds Turns out they were a Rosary Pea deadly poison so needless to say I was quite alarmed and called the lady with the seeds and advised her about the nature of the seeds she agreed to have her DH burn them the next morning ,,Am sure ther must be a moral here somewhere but the only one I can come up with is BUY MORE BOOKS
I think this is one of the most fun/interesting threads ever so much fun with the book and the beans so last week at my gardening class I took a bag of the beans and passed them around as gifts and this week I took the wicked plants book and passed it around so everyone could get a peek at it ..Our library doesn't have it but we are part of a system and ant book you want if it is in stock at any other library in our system then you can order it we have a great group taking the class this year ..Here is a pic of the class
I always be sure I have the camera, that way I'm safe. You have a nice looking little group there. I got my book off of Amazon as was suggested and it wasn't too high at all. Maybe your group could start their own garden library... and swap or trade between themselves.
Chuck I would like some seeds. I planted some, but I didn't soak them. :( I just discovered the shrubs out front are dying, that Lab lab vine would look great out there. btw I am getting Hostas again,
I know you think I am worthless, but I have not forgot you.
No it was not me but I stll have plenty if you would like just send me your mailing address in a d mail BTW I cashed diggers check that she sent for postage which was way too much ,ergo you can thank Digger for the postage..
OK guys, I've started hyacinth beans in pots three times already, wanting to have a good root system going when it was time to set them out. Well, duh!! It's been just like having a litter of puppies. Bring in at night, watch temp, set back outside when warm enough, etc. I'm just not consistent enough to keep them alive. I have three pots that are still limping along. Soooo, when will it be warm enough to plant--seed and seedlings?
Woohoo, Kittriana. Just the info I need. I guess the weather is about the same in your area as here. I'm in 7b/8a. Hard to tell which. Anyway, I'm going for it. Will report. Will I have a bloom by RU time?
Doubt it, blooms start abt the time vines get to at least 6'- beans after all, still have a time to get to maturity age 60 days at least. But the cue is the plants all blooming at once this spring, and they can be planted same time as Scarlet Runner beans or even green beans, enjoy
Can't wait. Got some planted yesterday --four beans in front of three posts. Actually they're hitching posts. I'm trying to think of something to string across there for them to climb on. The posts are about 5-6 feet apart. hmmmmm
Sybram- it would, but they do better in the sun, and oaks have tannic acid that tends to prevent undergrowth from getting established under them that would steal their nutrients, they might creep out toward th sun to get out from under the oak tree.
I wrote earlier about my hyacinth beans coming up everywhere, because I forgot something I did, and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I sent pics of the different places they're popping up, and didn't know it didn't send until just now. Guess my pics were too big.
So, did we ever cover whether they were poisonous to horses? They'd be beautiful on all that split rail fencing.
they are beans sybram, non toxic candy to cow and horse, they aren't as tasty as pintos and they do much better as an ornamental than a food, but then cows and horses dont always get poisoned by same stuff as we do, but you might not see the beans at all if your horses like to taste everything mine did...if you have enuff beans, scatter them around places-like the sides of buildings, and that electric pole, hmmmm, as long as it didn't interfere with the wires and the box could be reached you would be fine.
Thanks all, I'm determined to get all mine in their permanent homes today and tomorrow. It's been raining for a while now, but will probably stop soon. It's never muddy here, because of so much sandy loam, so may get to it this afternoon.
Here's mine on the west side of the house to block the sun.
If you have any utility or cattle panel - that would be great for a trellis. I bought 3 5x16 galvanized utility panels - 4 inch mesh and cut them in half for vines on the new fence. Wife and I agreed the galvanized look was pretty ugly. So went through the tedious task of priming with Rustoleum aluminum primer, then Rustoleum brown. Now they are hardly noticeable.
Bolted some additional post fasteners, and used S hooks to hang them, anchored the bottom with copper wire.. They are easily removed at any time.
In case anyone is interested, the cedar was stained with a fabulous product called Defy (for Hardwoods) using light walnut. Probably have to order online as few stores carry it. They also have an array of products for cleaning and stripping old fences. The pine and cedar colors were too light or orange. This stuff bonds with the wood, requires two coats 15-20 minutes apart, but does not wash off, fade and has UV protection. It's good for at least five years before I will need to put a maintenance coat. Get a laugh watching the neighbors restain every 2-3 years, or six months later it's fading or washed off by the sprinklers already.
Yes. Had wooden posts before that rotted out. Metal will outlast this current fence in 10-15 years and be reuseable for the next new one. Many city building codes in the DFW area now require metal posts. We had some severe straight line winds one spring several years ago that snapped tens of thousands of wood post fences. One city in particular was so hard hit, city council passed an emergency resolution effective immediately that all repairs would require metal posts.
I had a fence company put the fence in, wouldn't even attempt it myself. They did an incredible job lining the poles up. I could run a string from one end pole to the other end and it is dead on. They are sunk three feet into the ground in concrete. Each post required 1 1/2 bags of concrete. They were twelve foot poles, and after installation, the stringers were put in place. They then cut off the top of the poles to level for the cap trim.
The main suggestion I have for anyone installing a wood fence - demand 2x4 cedar or treated stringers. Do not let them use the typical 2x3 stringers that sag after several years. One thing that this company also did was use six about foot spacing of the poles versus the eight foot. In part for strength, to counter the weight, and prevent sagging.
The real trick is the post hangers. There are two types - the round one that you slide down over the top of the pole, and the two piece flat ones in the picture. Definitely use the flat two piece ones. Any fence materials place should have them. Much easier to work with, and
A sad story . My son's wife let a man install a new wood fence across the back , in Austin Tex . Three years later I noticed the fence was falling down . Upon closer inspection , the "friend" had used Untreated 2x4 stringers and untreated 4x4 posts in the ground . No cement , bare ground . Termites had eaten all the wood up , the whole length of the posts and stringers .