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newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

June 2, 2011
12:58 PM

Post #8604266

Too aggressive or a great plant?
C
konkreteblond
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 2, 2011
1:05 PM

Post #8604278

Great plant! I haven't grown them in a few years and I'm so excited because I finally remembered to plant them this year. I have purple and white planted and they are always beautiful. Can't wait!
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

June 2, 2011
2:56 PM

Post #8604495

Do they die back every winter and have to be replanted or can the seeds survive a zone 8 winter? I have a bad of purple seeds someone at work gave me and want to plant a few.
C
grits74571
Talihina, OK

June 2, 2011
3:00 PM

Post #8604508

Mine are just really taking off in the last week ,Planted them at the foot of a favorite tree that died so they can climb into the tree and give me another year with it,,Promise to sen pix as soon as it blooms
konkreteblond
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 2, 2011
4:10 PM

Post #8604639

They are just annuals here so collect seeds from them this year. The pods are really pretty on them too. The hummers love them!
bananna18
Colleyville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 2, 2011
4:40 PM

Post #8604698

In my experience, the fallen seeds just sprout. I ended up finding it too aggressive a grower for my small area although the blooms are gorgeous. It is easy enough to control if you want to pull out the stray seedlings.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

June 2, 2011
5:22 PM

Post #8604851

But they do die in the winter so it might not be so bad.
C
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 2, 2011
6:05 PM

Post #8604982

They die back in a freeze and reseed themselves. I just transplant or pull the ones that grow where I don't want. It does get large, but I wouldn't consider it aggressive. It grows on for me on chicken wire in the full hot sun all day long. I love it.

patrob

patrob
Goldthwaite, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 2, 2011
6:08 PM

Post #8604986

I love this vine! I first saw it growing in front of Romeo's Italian restaurant in Austin and helped myself to a few seeds as we left. It's an annual here and does not spread by underground runners or roots that break into numerous viable pieces when the plant is pulled, so it has never been a problem for me.
City_Sylvia
Dallas, TX

June 3, 2011
1:30 PM

Post #8606516

I love it too! Y'all can throw some extra seeds my way too! LOL

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 3, 2011
1:56 PM

Post #8606561

Paige!!!!!!! So glad you are on and posting again...missed you. Are you going to come by the RU in Burleson this Sunday? I sure hope so. I will send the map / address to you.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

June 4, 2011
6:41 AM

Post #8607955

Just remembered that I had this pic from the mother plant from which I got my seeds
grits74571
Talihina, OK

June 4, 2011
6:44 AM

Post #8607961

It is to cold here for it to even self seed so that is a big plus as far as I am concerned here are the blooms
Nia3
NE, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 5, 2011
5:58 AM

Post #8609993

My grandmother always grew hyacinth bean and I had been looking for seeds for a while now. I found some this year at one of the big box stores. There were 4 seeds in the packet and 3 came up. I am just waiting for them to take off.
It's so good to see some of the "older" plants coming back into popularity.
And growing things that my grandmother and mother grew brings back such sweet memories.

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 5, 2011
6:03 AM

Post #8610002

Do you think hyacinth bean could overtake the $%#@ honeysuckle my neighbor planted along our shared fence?? LOL

I really like the looks of hyacinth bean, but I need to find a trellis or something to grow it on before trying to plant any.
D3VNT
Round Rock, TX

June 5, 2011
4:11 PM

Post #8611214

Rather than trellis, I buy a roll of deer/bird screen, 6 feet wide and as long as I can find it, and I hang that up along whatever wall or fence I want hyacinth bean to grow up.

I have a long solid wall where I've put masonry screws along the top, put the screen on that and anchor it down below by tying it to bricks. On the fence that I like to cover, I use a staple gun to hold the screen up.

At the end of the season, after I have harvested enough beans to get seeds for the next year, I take down the screen and roll it up and dispose of it.

DON'T EVER PAY FOR SEEDS MORE THAN ONCE. They are prolific and they grow back great in the spring. I soak my seeds over night around last frost and then sow them, a couple to a spot. I've had great luck. In fact, I've had 40 or more come up on their own in the lawn because I was careless while collecting seed last year. :-)

This message was edited Jun 5, 2011 6:14 PM

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 5, 2011
5:15 PM

Post #8611366

Cheryl, I passed around the Hyacinth bean seeds at the swap today and everyone was excited about them.
I also gave all the lovely sedums to Glenna, that should get her set up very well with sun groundcovers.
Josephine.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

June 5, 2011
6:25 PM

Post #8611522

Glad they will be enjoyed. I am looking forward to the fall RU. I planted out the 2 hibiscus last night, so far they are doing ok but will definately need water every day for a while (phox too). I am touched by you generousity.
C
bananna18
Colleyville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 5, 2011
7:17 PM

Post #8611674

Thank you Cheryl.I received some seeds too.I have a very ugly area that will do well with the HB vine along with the passi from Sheila.

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 5, 2011
8:03 PM

Post #8611774

Thank you Cheryl, I hope they will do great for you.
Josephine.
pbtxlady
Garland, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 6, 2011
8:53 PM

Post #8614358

I love hyacinth bean so much, I planted it all around the edge of my property this year. I haven't had a problem with it self-sowing. I found 2 or 3 stray seedlings this year, but easy enough to pull or mow. It is so beautiful in the fall. Mine usually grow up the fence, but you don't have to have anything. If they can't find something to climb on, they will just ramble through your bed like a passi.
Dogs_N_Petunias
Cleburne, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 7, 2011
3:12 AM

Post #8614663

Cheryl, thanks for the hyacinth beans, and thanks again for the sedum.

Should the hyacinth beans be soaked before planting?
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

June 7, 2011
7:27 AM

Post #8615116

I dont know, I am new with this plant too. I did not soak mine but they haven't germinated yet either.
D3VNT
Round Rock, TX

June 7, 2011
8:40 AM

Post #8615314

I have better luck if I soak them 24-48 hours before sowing. I usually put them between layers of wet paper towel on a dinner plate. I've occasionally left them soaking too long and had them germinate putting out a tiny root before I sow them and they do fine.
Dogs_N_Petunias
Cleburne, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 9, 2011
4:17 AM

Post #8619468

Update on hyacinth beans. My DH (LEW_TEX) had mentioned seeing a beautiful vine growing on a fence in Cleburne the last couple of summers. He had no idea what it was. Yesterday he saw the lady working in the yard and stopped to visit with her to ask what the vine was. It's hyacinth bean. So now we have seed from her also. She told him she soaks the seed 24 hours and we need to get it planted ASAP because this is a little late to start.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 9, 2011
5:10 AM

Post #8619536

That was a nice thing to do; her to share seeds and him for stopping to check. WTG!

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 9, 2011
5:13 AM

Post #8619541

I would save some of the seeds you have for next year in case you new vine doesn't mature and make seed this year.
Dogs_N_Petunias
Cleburne, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 9, 2011
5:49 AM

Post #8619601

She gave him a LOT of seed, more than we could ever use.
pbtxlady
Garland, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 9, 2011
7:36 PM

Post #8621203

For the record, I have never soaked the beans. I planted about 2 dozen in March and had 100% germination. One of the reasons I grow them is that they do wonders for the ego of seed-disabled people like me. :)

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 10, 2011
5:26 AM

Post #8621725

LOL!! You go Pattie!
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

June 10, 2011
8:25 AM

Post #8622087

I didn't soak mine and the few I planted are up and have mature leaves, they seem to grow fast.
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

June 10, 2011
8:35 AM

Post #8622101

Even I can grow these!!! LOL I love them and kill most things that I start from seeds...Jo
Dogs_N_Petunias
Cleburne, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 11, 2011
1:13 PM

Post #8624192

My hyacinth beans have sprouted that I planted on the 8th. This is fun when something is that easy to start !!! LOL.

Thanks again, Cheryl.

bariolio

bariolio
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 11, 2011
3:49 PM

Post #8624453

Well, I had some seeds that were several years old, in a plastic bag in the garage, and soaked them for 24 hours and planted them...and nothing! SO, one CAN mess them up! I really didn't expect them to be good, though. Wish I had more. They are very pretty, vine and flowers. Janet

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 11, 2011
5:25 PM

Post #8624593

Does anyone have any pics??
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 11, 2011
6:16 PM

Post #8624729

Sun or shade for these babies? I can't wait to get some in the ground. Does the seed last if I don't plant them all this year?

I wish I could grow them on that split rail fence in front my house, but the horses eat everything they can reach. Does anyone know of something that doesn't taste good to horses, but won't kill them if they eat it?
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 11, 2011
6:18 PM

Post #8624734

Josephine, what color were those you gave me?
Dogs_N_Petunias
Cleburne, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 11, 2011
6:47 PM

Post #8624780

[quote="sybram"]I wish I could grow them on that split rail fence in front my house, but the horses eat everything they can reach. Does anyone know of something that doesn't taste good to horses, but won't kill them if they eat it?[/quote]

Sybil, I wouldn't risk it. It is so hard to know for sure. There are a lot of things listed as poisonous to equines but then in practical experience we had no ill effects. For example, one miniature donkey owner I ran across on line cut down all the oak trees in her pasture because supposedly acorns were poisonous. Our minis eat buckets of them and the only ill effect is they get way too fat on acorns. But no way to know if one particular horse might be more sensitive than others. The other thing is in a drought they are more likely to eat more of some things than they would if everything was lush and green from rain.

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 11, 2011
8:03 PM

Post #8624895

The hyacinth bean flowers are purple.

bariolio

bariolio
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 11, 2011
11:16 PM

Post #8625044

I thought I'd read that one could eat these. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/168594. You eat them first and let us know. hahaha!
Smockette
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 11, 2011
11:37 PM

Post #8625052

Yea, right! Well, let me tell you! I planted a flat of qts. 2-3 per qt. They started coming up while I was in Indy (about 10 days). I got back & noticed something had helped themselves to my new babies!!!
Well, I haven't found any dead deer or any dead rabbits! So, they evidently aren't poison to my critters.
I have now moved them inside some chicken wire enclosures & we will see if it was deer or rabbits, that helped themselves to my babies!!!
:~)
cocoa_lulu
Grand Saline, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 12, 2011
10:02 AM

Post #8625625

Bariolio, that warning is for dried, uncooked beans. Same goes for the common Kidney bean.
My BIL gave me a great book, Wicked plants: the weed that killed Lincoln's mother & other botanical atrocities.
Very interesting read and surprising how many things we eat on a daily basis could be considered deadly if improperly eaten.



bariolio

bariolio
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 12, 2011
10:27 AM

Post #8625654

Cocoa, that book sounds so good I just ordered it from the library! Thanks! And thanks to Smockette, I'll have a few beans to plant. :)
Smockette
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 12, 2011
11:26 AM

Post #8625758

I want to borrow that book, also. Let me know when you take it back so I can order it fr the library.
Since I do so much traveling in the last yr, I now have a collection of library cards! Magnolia & Montgomery Cty, Hou & Harris Cty, Ft Worth, Hurst, Indy. etc. lol
:~)
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 12, 2011
3:52 PM

Post #8626198

Mine were still good after three years in the door of fridg , in zip loc bag .
bananna18
Colleyville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 12, 2011
5:06 PM

Post #8626280

I had bought a package a few years back and it says they can be sowed until Aug in Texas.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 12, 2011
5:14 PM

Post #8626288

I wouldn't think they would have time to bloom before a chance of a freeze.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

June 12, 2011
7:17 PM

Post #8626503

About 3 years ago there was an article on Daves about the Hyacinth bean vine and it was reported that all parts of the plant are edible but the beans are mildly poisonous and need to be boiled and rinced then boiled again and it seems like the article warned about pets eating the beans that will fall to the ground ..Now about what the horses will not eat Don't think they would eat the leaves and stems of the trombone zuchinni not poisonous just very stickery.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

June 13, 2011
5:33 AM

Post #8627082

I wrote to Daves and asked if they would rerun the article ,we shall see I hope I have finally found a good spot for mine as I have an awful lot of shade..Where I have the vines now is full morning sun and they are climbing up a dead crab apple tree and have now reached the seven foot mark ,so far no blooms but I think this will happen..
cocoa_lulu
Grand Saline, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 13, 2011
6:33 AM

Post #8627192

Thanks Grits, I've never grow enough to to think of them as a harvest, or eaten them. I found this interesting conversation on GW http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/edible/msg0817464813566.html
After some of the unpleasant descriptions, "tuff, stringy, odd color cooked, not good tasting as a mature bean". Tho, some did say they liked them. I'm left thinking, I rather take my chances eating limas.lol

Smockette, Bariolio, enjoy the read!
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 13, 2011
7:23 PM

Post #8628654

Nobody ever told me "sun or shade"?
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

June 13, 2011
8:10 PM

Post #8628755

I was told sun.
D3VNT
Round Rock, TX

June 13, 2011
8:26 PM

Post #8628778

Happiest in sun. Mine are on the east side of a wall so are in shade after about 2pm. Planted them 3/15, they are now taller than the wall -- 6 1/2 feet. If you pinch them off they'll grow more branches.

They do grow quickly - I know mine had blooms and beans on 5/15, so if you sow them early August you might get some blooms before they freeze (depending on where you are).
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 18, 2011
7:25 AM

Post #8638148

Josephine, is it too late to plant the hyacenth beans? Should I just wait until fall or next spring? I can plant them next week, but just wondering if they have enough time still to bloom this season.

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 18, 2011
8:50 AM

Post #8638294

I really can't answer that personally, because I have never grown them, Cheryl gave those to pass around.
But I know they are fast growers so they might make it, we still have a good four months of growth time.
Save some for next year and you nothing to lose and could gain a lot.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 18, 2011
1:44 PM

Post #8638692

Glenna said her beans were up in record time...try some and save some as Jo said. I have never had much luck with them and now I read (above) where you should soak them. So I think I will try some now also.
Smockette
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 18, 2011
3:11 PM

Post #8638765

Passed some on to Bariolio, today & she is going to soak over nite & plant.
As hot as it is down here, I would venture to say she will get some blooms & seed pods!
Time will tell!
:~)

bariolio

bariolio
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 18, 2011
3:24 PM

Post #8638793

Thank you, Smockette! I will report when the beans are up and growing!
Dogs_N_Petunias
Cleburne, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 18, 2011
3:25 PM

Post #8638794

Re: soaking - Since I have more than enough beans, I first planted a couple of pots without soaking. Those came up in 2 days ! In the meantime, I had soaked several beans for 24 hours and those actually took a day longer to come up. But all are thriving. This must have been the bean that Jack and the Bean Stalk story was based on. LOL. It grows by leaps and bounds.

So in my limited experience, soaking doesn't seem to make any difference.
Smockette
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 18, 2011
4:45 PM

Post #8638912

Verrry en-ter-resting!!!! (Laugh-in little person, remember?)
Just my old habit.
:~)
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

June 18, 2011
4:48 PM

Post #8638919

I find they come up quickly without soaking to, if you keep them moist. I created the ugliest arbor ever! Two plastic over metal plant stakes with a big piece of fencing over it. Those 3 plants I put near by better cover it soon...
C
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 18, 2011
5:28 PM

Post #8639020

Mine are barely growing , not enough sun .

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 18, 2011
5:34 PM

Post #8639041

We have LOTS of sun in Texas lately!

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 18, 2011
5:43 PM

Post #8639063

Maybe it was the timing then...but I put them in the ground and forgot them. Going to start in a pot this time.
Smockette
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 18, 2011
5:54 PM

Post #8639079

If flowers can be considered 'staples', this would be one of mine!!!
:~)
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 19, 2011
6:42 AM

Post #8639823

Pic:

cocoa_lulu
Grand Saline, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 19, 2011
7:31 AM

Post #8639893

Very pretty, Peony!

Sheila, did the seedlings I gave at the RU make it?
Dogs_N_Petunias
Cleburne, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2011
8:26 AM

Post #8640034

Beautiful, Peony1066. I have never seen the actual HB vine before. Your pic makes me want to plant them everywhere. May even sneak into the neighbor's yard and plant a few while they are on vacation. ROFL.

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2011
8:27 AM

Post #8640037

I'd like to plant some to overtake the neighbor's asian honeysuckle they planted a couple of years ago.

bariolio

bariolio
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 19, 2011
9:34 AM

Post #8640175

Let the Flower Wars begin... Sounds like a new "reality" show in the making!
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2011
10:02 AM

Post #8640214

I wish I could get ANYTHING that blooms to be "invasive" in my bare yard...Jo

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2011
10:30 AM

Post #8640247

I think I could drop the seeds along our back fence (shared) and let them go. Whaddya think??
Smockette
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 19, 2011
11:20 AM

Post #8640320

Kick a little dirt that way & with a little water to start them off, I bet they would grow. Who knows, your neighbors might like pretty purple flowers & beans better than white & yellow!!! Or maybe the mixture!!! lol
:~)

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2011
1:18 PM

Post #8640523

Make some seed balls and drop them along the fence! LOL!
Smockette
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 19, 2011
1:44 PM

Post #8640590

Excellent idea, Sheila!!!
& what a great page for Stephanie's journal!!! ROFLOL
:~)

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2011
1:48 PM

Post #8640601

Oh Lynea...your question, the seedlings are at the top of the fence now!!

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 19, 2011
4:59 PM

Post #8640957

GREAT idea, Sheila!! I'll have to get some seeds from someone at the fall RU.
cocoa_lulu
Grand Saline, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 20, 2011
6:54 AM

Post #8642063

Oh good, Sheila. I have trouble transplanting them once they get a certain size. Glad they worked for ya!

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 22, 2011
5:39 PM

Post #8647834

Chuckl, you guys are AWFUL. They are beans, kissing kin to a scarlet runner bean, the Latinos I always knew name them Jacob's Beans, & trust me, cows and horses think they are food and will eat them to the ground, safely. They are nitrogen fixers, great cover for awnings, and will not survive a freeze. I believe the ones you are planting now are more vigorous a grower than those I grew in the late 70's and 80's, and I consider them more an 'ornamental' than a vegetable, but hey, whatever trips your trigger, chuckl, they will grow full sun or partial shade-gratefully so. Enjoy the vine, it gets lots of attention.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

June 22, 2011
7:44 PM

Post #8648083

Mine are now at the 8' mark climbing on the dead crab apple tree,I have the HVB and a couple of the trombone zuchinni both climbing the old dead tree and am checking everydat for blooms so far NADA for the HVB but the trombones are producing squash aplenty

morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 22, 2011
9:50 PM

Post #8648251

We grow Hyacinth Bean over this arch every year.

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 23, 2011
6:08 AM

Post #8648572

Beautiful!

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 23, 2011
6:12 AM

Post #8648584

Yes, that is gorgeous!!!
grits74571
Talihina, OK

June 23, 2011
7:39 AM

Post #8648758

How many plants did it take to make it that thick and is the pic from this year?? I can only hope that mine gets any where near as pretty as that

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 23, 2011
10:35 AM

Post #8649130

Has anyone ever grown this along a fence? I'm really thinking about doing that next year to compete with the neighbor's honeysuckle.
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 23, 2011
12:55 PM

Post #8649372

It would work well along a fence. I am growing it this year with blue sky vine, coral vine, and yellow hyacinth bean. The yellow variety is not nearly as hearty for me. It's growing but won't make nearly the plant. In the picture I showed it's maybe two or possible three plants.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 23, 2011
1:45 PM

Post #8649523

Mine has too much shade , I guess . 15" tall and won't post a picture , too ashamed of it . Wait till next year , I'll do better , give it what it needs .

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 23, 2011
4:33 PM

Post #8649864

I have mine planted on the side where the neighbor has 12ft tall Lgus. privets! I try keeping my side cut and have with permission cut them before, but she has a boyfriend now and I think he is able! At least if they grow up the privets, it will be prettier to look at.

morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 24, 2011
8:52 AM

Post #8651368

The pic, taken early July, is from a few years ago when we planted the seeds in late March or early April.

We planted 5 seeds on each side of arch. Kept them moist and happy until they could grab the arch and then they just took off.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 24, 2011
10:35 AM

Post #8651589

See your baby Coco...Lynea...doing quite well.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

June 24, 2011
11:11 AM

Post #8651694

I have 9 plants in a raised bed 2 ft. in diameter probably a little bit thick but didn't want to chance thinning from fear of the others dying ,,they are now past 10' but still no blooms ,,I can add they like the sun, last year I had them in a rather shady spot and was just lucky to get enough for seed ..The Lady that gave me my seed had hers growing on a chain link fence with full morning sun and some shade in the afternoon ..Here in SE Ok. we have such dence forest and a lot of mature trees even in town that virtually no one has full sun

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 25, 2011
6:32 PM

Post #8654553

Mine never bloomed in Wichita Falls til deep summer, I made one blooming set that would dry beans as the frosts came, gave me restarts for next year- I had them growing along chain link fence- try using a fertilizer with iron in it, not nitrogen, horses will eat what is not good for them just to get even with you for whatever is in their horsey heads, then pout at you... try maybe a muscadine grape along the fence, or pyracantha if you are feeling daring, or Irises always worked along our fences, the climbing okra also they will probably leave alone, maybe, never can tell what they take a notion to nibble on...
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 26, 2011
10:49 AM

Post #8655684

I have a stack of rocks in a bed away from the house. I'm going to try my beans there. Didn't get to plant any last week due to hubby's wreck, but I will this week. I'm wondering if the rocks will be too hot for the vine to thrive on.

The stack is about three feet high and wide and six feet long.
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 26, 2011
11:41 AM

Post #8655758

Soaking seed in h20 and hydrogen peroxide. Having done this before, I decided to research the science behind this morning. Hope this link works.

http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-garden.html

Well, it didn't turn blue but if you copy/paste this into your address line it will work.

I use a lot of Epsom Salt and it makes a big difference as well.

Got some hyacinth beans from catzgalore yesterday and I am about to soak before planting. Have had other seed sprout in the mixture overnight.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 26, 2011
2:06 PM

Post #8655998

Your only problem will be losing the harvest in the rox and not able to get to bloom or bean...or sprouts.
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 26, 2011
3:57 PM

Post #8656237

A picture of the blooms:

peony1066
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 26, 2011
4:02 PM

Post #8656247

A picture of our gate a different year:

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 26, 2011
5:16 PM

Post #8656384

Gorgeous! Looks great with the orange Cosmos, too.
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 26, 2011
5:28 PM

Post #8656395

My beans are soaking in h20 and hydrogen peroxide as we speak. Can't wait to see if they germinate and grow this year. Your pictures are inspiring.

bariolio

bariolio
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 26, 2011
7:46 PM

Post #8656673

Got one bean in the ground yesterday after soaking 24 hrs. Also planted 2 Grandpa Ott's morning glory seeds after scarifying and soaking with the hyacinth. It'll be really cool if they come up! That's like MAGIC!
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

June 27, 2011
6:45 AM

Post #8657293

Thanks, Louc and Stephanietx.

I love the orange cosmos. They are my fall colors, since we don't get any around here.
bananna18
Colleyville, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 27, 2011
5:44 PM

Post #8658454

I saw some spouting this weekend that I threw out last weekend. I put up the deer netting in my ugly corner.(not for deer...just cheap trellis) Hope the beans and passion flower vine will cover it all up.
pbtxlady
Garland, TX
(Zone 8a)

June 30, 2011
8:00 PM

Post #8665304

I'll bet it will. I sowed 24 of these this year because I wanted to cover my entire fence. Mine never bloom this early; they start up about mid-August and go until first frost. That doesn't bother me because it's a pretty vine even without the flowers, and when it does bloom, it's just soooooo pretty. My seedlings grow on anything nearby, or, without anything tall, just run through the bed. They do best in sun, but I've had self-sown seedlings in shade before, and they did pretty well.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 7, 2011
9:21 AM

Post #8678131

What is maturity for beans-60 odd days I think? They will shoot tall, before ever starting to branch at the bottom, depends on what they have to climb I think, 10-15' is not unusual, My dad is growing them for me in California this year- they are a new experience for him too, he planted them behind his limas on a wall, now the limas are about done, and this will take over the area..
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 7, 2011
10:01 AM

Post #8678242

All four of the beans germinated in the peroxide mixture. They have been in the ground for 4-5 days and the teeny little sprout has doubled. It has been 101-102 all this week and my water bill is going to be horrendous. This is my only vice these days so guess that is ok.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 7, 2011
11:38 AM

Post #8678386

Along with all the excess watering we are doing, is everyone adding fertilizers too? The watering could be diluting the plant food...
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 7, 2011
2:17 PM

Post #8678715

Just today I added a little Epsom Salts to my roses and a couple of other plants that were turning yellow. It is NOT salt. Trace mineral that allows the plants to up-take some of the nutrients that otherwise not be available to the plant. A natural product that improves the soil. Neil Sperry advises against fertilizing in this heat because new growth would be too tender. The sun's rays have literally burned some of the plants. Look like a torch has been waved over them.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 7, 2011
9:17 PM

Post #8679526

Burned? thats a mild way of putting crispy crittured, nutrients are needed still, just not heavily, yup time for Epsoms, if your plants are not literally turned to hay right now
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

July 7, 2011
10:18 PM

Post #8679566

Some of mine are now in plant heaven and I suspect others will follow...what a summer.
C
grits74571
Talihina, OK

July 18, 2011
2:07 PM

Post #8700041

Okay the HBV is now at about 20 feet up the dead tree but not a bloom
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

July 18, 2011
3:27 PM

Post #8700245

It's a hard summer to evaluate a new plant. I planted mine way too late in the season and they are climbing but still spindly. I think they needed to be planted in early spring but I didn't have the seeds then.
C
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 18, 2011
4:12 PM

Post #8700353

I had 4 beans sprout in a vessel with water and peroxide. Put them in very good dirt, out of the direct sun and watered just enough. Every single one has disappeared. Probably slugs or snails.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

July 18, 2011
4:47 PM

Post #8700420

Very happy to correct my earlier post found 2 sets of blooms when I went to water ...
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 18, 2011
5:46 PM

Post #8700549

yay
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

July 18, 2011
6:08 PM

Post #8700608

My friendly neighbor brought over about 8 "starts" of HBV and planted them for me...all I have done is water them once ...or twice a day when we got no rain from the monsoon...they are all wilted over...will they snap back? Jo
LouC
Desoto, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 18, 2011
6:52 PM

Post #8700681

This is my third total failure. Might try winter sowing next time. Cant grow sweet pea either.
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 18, 2011
11:59 PM

Post #8701053

If they are just wilted from the transplantation, they will come back if you keep watering them.
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

July 19, 2011
7:17 AM

Post #8701377

Thanks...my sweet pea isn't doing well either...Jo

bariolio

bariolio
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 19, 2011
7:23 AM

Post #8701390

I have a pack of sweet pea seeds. I'm thinking they don't like really hot weather? If anyone knows their sun preference, tell me now! I'll probably try to plant in the early fall. What about freezes? Not that it freezes here in Houston very much...Can't even imagine a freeze right now unless I stick my hand in the ice cube tray... :) Anyway, I babble.
I'll also try my hyacinth beans again a bit later or should I save for next year? They are beans. I guess I'll look up when to plant beans. Janet
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

July 19, 2011
8:38 AM

Post #8701551

They don't like heat and they like a good amount of sun. Of course here in TX that means part shade LOL. They won't take a freeze either. I am curious how they will do for you. Ah, one more thing, they seem to dislike humidity too.
C

bariolio

bariolio
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 19, 2011
9:56 AM

Post #8701700

Thanks, newton. Looks like I'll wait till Oct or so.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 19, 2011
11:23 AM

Post #8701861

They fix nitrogen in soil, try a location that Needs fertilizer, like at the northeastern side of a pine tree? for afternoon shade, They will grow til first frost, if you late plant, try planting now and that should give you the 60/65 days to maturity, and they should grow til Oct at least, should give you time for blooms..
grits74571
Talihina, OK

July 19, 2011
3:17 PM

Post #8702281

I checked my garden calender and the HVB were up at the May1st date so that is roughly 79 or 80 days till first bloom so got to figure anothe 12 days until beans form if any ..FYI they are maybe not in the best of growing conditions but lots better than last year
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

July 19, 2011
10:50 PM

Post #8702987

Actually I grow sweet peas most of the winter. I plant most of my blooming annuals in September and have them all winter. I used to garden in zone 4 and we just tossed the sweet pea seeds out on the ground in the fall and they germinated when the time was right, very early in the year. I grow my in the full sun in the early fall to spring season.
pbtxlady
Garland, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 25, 2011
8:16 AM

Post #8713989

I don't think late planting hurts hyacinth bean too much. I let some of mine sit in their seedling pots too long, and it took them a while to get going once they were in the ground. But I've planted out as late as June before and still got good flowers in the fall.
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

July 25, 2011
11:48 AM

Post #8714385

Out of the 8 that my friend planted for me that were looking dear...6 of them now have nice leaves showing!!! JO
City_Sylvia
Dallas, TX

August 5, 2011
11:22 AM

Post #8738788

Well I guess no one donated Hyacinth beans to my cause, maybe I can buy them. Going forward I am only planting stuff that's not a problem to grow. I am getting too old to worry about things other than the cats. lol
Do any of you guys thats been over remember the vine that I was growing and traveled all the way over to the top of the neighbors house? It had orange flowers. I think it was Mexican something!
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

August 5, 2011
1:20 PM

Post #8738891

I think I still lhave HBV seeds...should I send you some?

The 8 plants that my friend planted for me that looked dead for over a week have come to life and are doing GREAT...they should start blooming soon. Jo
City_Sylvia
Dallas, TX

August 5, 2011
9:00 PM

Post #8739488

Thanks Jo, I would love it! Dmail
peony1066
Sugar Land, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 5, 2011
11:54 PM

Post #8739665

Mexican flame vine? I have grown it but since I haven't been home for a couple of weeks, I'm unsure of how it is doing.
pbtxlady
Garland, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 7, 2011
10:26 PM

Post #8743544

Sylvia, I had hyacinth beans for you last fall, but you didn't make it to the RU. I also had some available at the June RU, but you didn't come to that one either. I will save you seeds this fall when mine bloom if you still want them.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 8, 2011
3:38 AM

Post #8743630

short update on my HBV it has now reached the very top of the dead tree and has a lot of blooms but so far no seeds have set ..Guess it is just this horrible heat...
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

August 8, 2011
10:10 AM

Post #8744294

Sylvia...sending seeds out today. Jo
pbtxlady
Garland, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 9, 2011
11:15 AM

Post #8746702

I don't usually get seeds until fall... I think? I wait until they turn brown and dry and that's usually towards the end of Sept.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 10, 2011
3:32 AM

Post #8748101

found the book Wicked Plants at the library in McAlester Ok.yesterday while there on another errand I checked it out (my card works in any of the SE counties) So far I have found the book facinating and plan to buy myself a copy for reference (amazon .com $11.98) so thanks for the discovery Lulu
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 10, 2011
3:33 PM

Post #8749262

Might find it much cheaper under "used books" on Amazon .
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 11, 2011
2:44 PM

Post #8750784

They didn't show any used ones when I looked but when I do get around to ordering it I will look for a used one first'''
City_Sylvia
Dallas, TX

August 11, 2011
9:12 PM

Post #8751488

Jo I got my seeds today! Thanks a bunch! I owe you! Please tell me how to get this Yucca plant going, it is so pretty! I dont do seeds well at all unless its HBV or Zinnias and yes Hollyhock. If I cant sow it ... I will blow it! lol Anway I got just the place for two of these Yucca Plants!
Patti, I dont remember missing two RU's in a row, are you sure? Yes save me some hbv, they never get too old to plant!
Grits, you dont have to look for a used book on Amazon, they give you complete info on whatever they have in stock. Just love Amazon!
Peony Mexican Flame Vine is correct. I wish I could remember where I got the first one, it traveled all over the neighbors house. lol
pbtxlady
Garland, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 11, 2011
10:29 PM

Post #8751542

I dunno about the May one in Arlington cuz I missed that one. But you were coming to the June one in Burleson, and then you were sick, I think.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 12, 2011
9:06 AM

Post #8752059

I too really like Amazon as I will 39miles from the nearest Walmart and 55 miles from Lowes so I really depend on the internet for shopping and I have 2 friends that work for Amazon in Fernley Nv..

bariolio

bariolio
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 13, 2011
7:37 AM

Post #8753566

Um, I'm SURE I pay for at least one person's annual salary by my Amazon purchases!! My son-in-law put me on his Amazon Prime account--so free, 2-day shipping! And I got Wicked Plants from my library and have been reading it. It's so interesting, especially the history they include. A real neat book!
I have a few hyacinth beans left and will try them next year. Every part of them is so pretty-the vine, flowers and purple beans. Can't wait for spring! Janet
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 13, 2011
6:25 PM

Post #8754672

Mine just sit there and look at me . Just not growing good . Must need more sun .
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

August 13, 2011
7:05 PM

Post #8754773

Sylvia...I would try starting them in pots..they don't grow really fast...they like welll drained soil...not rich soil...but they love this clay/sand we have here...don't over water. let them get some growth in the pot before planting in a well drained location. Jo

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 13, 2011
7:27 PM

Post #8754840

There is no well drained area in your yard Sylvia, since you water your hostas so much. I think you may be better off putting it in a large pot unless you are putting it out front.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 15, 2011
9:03 AM

Post #8757563

Digger the used book was less than a dollar cheaper so ordered the new one
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 15, 2011
9:52 AM

Post #8757657

Boy , they didn't offer much of a bargain , did they ? Never saw that before .
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 17, 2011
11:59 AM

Post #8761504

Digger A lady sent me an e mail with a link for Abebooks I looked at it and the prices for any Amy Stewart book were scary I guess it is a UK seller as she just recently returned from there..Now we think we are diehard gardeners this lady lives on the edge of the Smoke Creek desert in northwest Nevada and gardens even so..We probably get more rain in our drought years than has ever fallen on here property in her life...
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 17, 2011
12:14 PM

Post #8761551

Live and learn .
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 17, 2011
1:27 PM

Post #8761630

Digger check out the pic of my friends place in Nevada ,how would you like to garden on top of that rockpile
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 17, 2011
3:23 PM

Post #8761788

Bet the view is great . If she has a good well , and lots of water , she can grow grass . I did in Phoenix . Had a nice little garden . I sure like her house , what do they do for a living ? Can't see raising even goats there .
I'm afraid to ask what the building is in the back .For hunters , motel , horses?

This message was edited Aug 17, 2011 5:27 PM
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 18, 2011
4:56 AM

Post #8762492

The building in back is the battery room it is a solar powered home removed from the power grid by 13 miles she has an unbeivable view and sends pix fairly often ..She is a teacher that was forced to retire this year by budget cuts brought on by the closing of the school in nearby Gerlach Nv.which was caused by the closing of the USG sheetrock plant in Empire Nv... Like Dominos it is just a cascading event .Here is a pic she sent last year I think it qualifies as a pretty good view..

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 18, 2011
5:14 AM

Post #8762514

That is quite a view, did she have the house built? or was it an existing house?
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 18, 2011
6:42 AM

Post #8762751

Jeri Christopher is the name she and her DH built the house with a little help from friends the house is a little bit diferent now than when first built it now has a metal roof and composite siding and all of the decks and railing are of a fireproof material ,everything was done to make it as fireproof as possible
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 18, 2011
6:50 AM

Post #8762765

Another view from Jeri's deck

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 18, 2011
9:52 AM

Post #8763064

Pretty views. I guess spring and summer flowers aren't what she moved there for. I bet she loves to ski and her house is the place to be in the winter.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 18, 2011
10:15 AM

Post #8763110

Sheila the average snowfall is measured in inches so no skiing and she does have a pretty nice flower display with her sunflowers being the star of the garden in every shade that one can imagine She was my grandson'e first grade teacher and he starts school at Univ.of Maryland this fall ...so I have known her a few years
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 18, 2011
1:31 PM

Post #8763365

Don't believe I mentioned that when I returned my Wicked Plants book the librarian suggested that I might like another book by Ms. Stewart ..so now I am all about wicked bugs be afraid be very afraid It is proving to be even more gross than the plant book..
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 18, 2011
7:46 PM

Post #8763879

I could live with a view like that .
cocoa_lulu
Grand Saline, TX
(Zone 7b)

August 20, 2011
7:04 AM

Post #8766058

Oh thanks, Grits. That sounds like my kind of book. I'll be sure not read it before bedtime ;0)

Your friends home is lovely!
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 21, 2011
2:16 PM

Post #8769176

Very happy to report that the rain and cooler weather have caused the HBV to start blooming all the way to the top of the dead tree that they are planted under if they get a little thicker will send a pic,it has rained here all day which has gladened everyone's heart The picture is Jeri And Mike at home near the Granite Range >Washoe Co. Northern Nevada

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 21, 2011
2:41 PM

Post #8769230

I am very happy for you Grits.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 21, 2011
5:42 PM

Post #8769486

They look like they'd be happy anywhere as long as they were sharing it together .
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 23, 2011
5:18 PM

Post #8773630

Okay now back to the Wicked books Ms. Stewart has another one called Wicked Bugs Be afraid be very Afraid and I will attest it is not good bedtime reading some very strange bugs in it..
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

August 23, 2011
5:35 PM

Post #8773657

Hey! Remember those sticks I thought were dead??? Look how they turned out. Just starting to bloom. Lucky me. Jo
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 23, 2011
5:52 PM

Post #8773684

Hi , R R . You've got to get to Georgia again , with that sweet son of yours .We sure had a good time and I've gotten several girl friends that have made your soft necklaces . A big hit here . Digger (Sally)
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

August 24, 2011
7:36 AM

Post #8774400

I have just learned the Southwest will be flying into Atlanta starting Feb. 2012...now all I have to do is get a ride on over to Martinez!! I enjoyed my little RU very much...and would love to do it again. Jo
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 24, 2011
3:58 PM

Post #8775095

You have a place to lay your head with me or Eufaula . She says my bed is too hard but I'm going to put another mattress on both the twins . She says I need to open that room and let it air , so can do that . I live too close to a gravel road and try to keep the dust down . Anyway you're welcome to come .
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

August 28, 2011
5:37 PM

Post #8781879

I finally got some blooms.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

August 28, 2011
5:39 PM

Post #8781883

The whole plant (3 really).
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 28, 2011
5:44 PM

Post #8781891

My bean is a foot tall and have one bean and one small cluster of blooms . Maybe I can get some seeds for next year .
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

August 28, 2011
7:03 PM

Post #8782040

Three of my eight plants have set beans...how long until they will dry for seeds??
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 29, 2011
8:00 AM

Post #8782861

My vines are loaded with blooms but so far no seeds ,just keep on holding my breath as I really want lots of seeds

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 30, 2011
4:50 AM

Post #8784566

awhile, they dry slo, the color will change and you'll notice it, until then the bean is still growing inside-plumping out- maybe another month at least, and grits? it may be Oct before your beans are ready to harvest...
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

August 30, 2011
7:03 AM

Post #8784772

Thanks! Now...out I go to water the little dears. Jo
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

August 30, 2011
11:26 AM

Post #8785156

One pod and one bean in it . Think I'll give it a name . Solo ?
grits74571
Talihina, OK

August 31, 2011
7:29 PM

Post #8787790

Hey kitt today I noticed I have 6 of the smallest beans you could ever imagine so that is encourageing never worried about such things untill this year and now any thing we get is a bonus...

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

September 1, 2011
5:17 PM

Post #8789255

chuckl, my dad grew my beans in Escondido,Ca for me, the damsels love them, and he does too, but says he feels cheated, he wants the edible ones. The vines are gorgeous where he has them and they love the heat n humidity there- not like my dau's home when I arrived- in shock at how dry it is- and 109* for months she claims
pbtxlady
Garland, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 19, 2011
3:20 AM

Post #8814381

I think y'all got yours early. Mine just started blooming last week. They're going full guns now, though.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

September 20, 2011
10:16 PM

Post #8817227

The rain, they waited for the Indian Summer and rain, now they are catching up. Good!
grits74571
Talihina, OK

October 10, 2011
5:05 AM

Post #8843059

Harvest time for the beans mine are just loaded but most are still immature but everytime one starts to shrivel I pick it ,Don't want any to open and fall out ,,will they do that ?? anyway have a big crop of them so will harvest as they become mature...
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

October 10, 2011
7:47 AM

Post #8843287

Me too!! Jo

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

October 12, 2011
1:12 PM

Post #8846486

leave em alone, wait for them, they are beans, picking extends bloom time if possible, they know what to do if they were uh, pollenized, yup, thats the word I want
cocoa_lulu
Grand Saline, TX
(Zone 7b)

October 13, 2011
6:57 AM

Post #8847273

I've never had mine split open and 'spill the beans', but it's usually humid this time of year and the pods remain sort of leathery. This year is anyones guess ;0)
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

October 13, 2011
8:01 AM

Post #8847332

I've never had them spill either . The pod just shrinks around them .

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

October 13, 2011
5:22 PM

Post #8848024

shrinks around them and the glorious purple color fades away, you pull them from their cling to the old vines, and peel them free when good n dry, when only vines remain and leaves have blown on the fall winds, chuckl, there you go
Smockette
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

October 13, 2011
10:54 PM

Post #8848331

Kitt, are you in town?

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

October 16, 2011
8:05 AM

Post #8850841

sittin in Denver, have vaca time coming up with days off, will be home Nov 17 thru 27, screening tests, fun! not.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

October 27, 2011
4:10 AM

Post #8865424

This should do it for this thread this year I ended up cutting the limbs off the dead crab apple in order to harvest the beans so I wound up with about a gallon of the pods and placed them on a drying rack wher they have now shrunk to about 1/2 of that and found that any that get dropped on wet ground wiil split ..the reason I was worried about that is my dogs will eat anything ..anyways I will have seeds for next year..
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

October 27, 2011
7:35 AM

Post #8865645

Me too...I have been pulling the dried pods off...but I think the vines have about had for this year...The Mexican Generals were terrible this year...and they ate lots of the leaves. Jo
grits74571
Talihina, OK

October 28, 2011
1:11 PM

Post #8867129

Mexican Generals??????

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 28, 2011
1:27 PM

Post #8867141

I didn't know that Mexico was sending their generals up here to eat either!!!
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

October 28, 2011
9:11 PM

Post #8867640

They are the most gross, ugly, grasshoopers you ever want to see...they seem to invade us in more numbers every few years...this was their year!! The make a crunching noise when you step on them...LOL Jo

Edited to add photo link,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cfivince/1478444345/

This message was edited Oct 28, 2011 9:19 PM

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 29, 2011
6:07 AM

Post #8867787

Thank you for the link and explanation, I had never heard of them, of course I know about grasshoppers, but those are the kind you want to keep away.
Josephine.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 2, 2011
7:52 PM

Post #8873942

Chuckle, Santa Ana wasnt the first general to try to invade Texas...
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 30, 2012
2:49 PM

Post #8988444

I got pods at the last RU, and I want to go ahead and start them in pots. Do you plant the whole pod, or do you take the seeds out and soak and plant them?
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

January 30, 2012
2:58 PM

Post #8988451

Take the seeds out of the pods to plant.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

January 31, 2012
7:00 AM

Post #8989230

If anybody has plenty of extras , I sure would like a few . I haven't been able to find any in the stores or anybody close that has plants .
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 31, 2012
8:16 AM

Post #8989318

Thanks, Newt. ;>)
grits74571
Talihina, OK

January 31, 2012
8:34 AM

Post #8989341

I dried and save a bunch just have to find them ,meanwhile send me a mailing address..Glad someone ressurected this thread think I shall start some from seed pretty soon just to have as freebies for my gardening class But don't know if it is better to just wait and direct sow ..Seems like they are only going to bear when the days start to shorten ..What do Y'all think ??????
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

January 31, 2012
9:08 AM

Post #8989369

While I was picking the dried pods in the fall I made sure I stuck some in the ground...I want to see if they will come up this spring. Jo

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

January 31, 2012
10:57 AM

Post #8989486

I think if you google lablab purpurea you will find sources for other varieties of hyacinth beans...
grits74571
Talihina, OK

January 31, 2012
12:58 PM

Post #8989634

so true Kitt but I managed to find the ones I have saved and am quit sure Johhny's seeds has them
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

January 31, 2012
5:35 PM

Post #8989958

D Mail, Grits 74571
grits74571
Talihina, OK

January 31, 2012
7:11 PM

Post #8990120

There is no garrantee that these seed are any good as Y'all know last year was just a horrible growing year I have not shelled any of the pods other than a few I did while sitting here just now but the seeds look okay but a little bit smaller than I membered
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

February 1, 2012
5:57 AM

Post #8990453

Grits, nobody promised a rose garden .Let's go for it ! And thank you .
FrillyLily
springfield area, MO
(Zone 5b)

February 1, 2012
7:19 AM

Post #8990558

ya'll made the naughty weed book sound so good, I went over to Amazon and bought me one. Thanks alot! LOL
chuck7701
McKinney, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 1, 2012
12:19 PM

Post #8990891

I have no problem getting seeds from this plant. Have a pound or so if anyone needs some seeds. Dmail me and send a SASE.

They are a slow starter, but are rockets once the roots are established. I have found they do much better if they start from the ground versus transplanting seed pots where you want them to grow. Plant several together and pinch off the weaker ones once sprouted.

Once they start blooming profusely in mid summer they drop a lot of dead blooms, so I would also advise against planting them close to your patio or driveway unless you want to be sweeping or blowing them off regularly.





grits74571
Talihina, OK

February 1, 2012
6:40 PM

Post #8991383

Chuck do you have a full sun spot I don't really have any spot on my city lot that gets full sun ,but my HBVs never get that great but last year was the best they have ever gotten
chuck7701
McKinney, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 2, 2012
10:03 AM

Post #8992111

They do thrive best in as much full sun as possible. Last summer the heat and dryness was an exception in our area, and mine did OK, but not like some previous years. The fence I grow them on faces west, so it takes them a bit longer to get the early east morning sun. I got a very late start due to a new fence being installed, so that might have been part of the problem for their delay.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

February 29, 2012
7:38 PM

Post #9025312

Frilly lilly Just had to bring this thread back up so to tell you a little story .We are in the process of cleaning out a house that my MIL lived in for over 50 years .During one session we found a small package of seeds ,I think they were in a tin box ,were bright red and some a bright pink .A friend is a diehard seed collector, she will save any and all seeds she gets even a whiff of ..as none of us wanted the seeds she asked if she could have them to which we readily agreed..After we got home I got one of those nagging feelings so grabbed the Wicked Weeds book and searched until I found the seeds Turns out they were a Rosary Pea deadly poison so needless to say I was quite alarmed and called the lady with the seeds and advised her about the nature of the seeds she agreed to have her DH burn them the next morning ,,Am sure ther must be a moral here somewhere but the only one I can come up with is BUY MORE BOOKS
FrillyLily
springfield area, MO
(Zone 5b)

March 2, 2012
11:48 AM

Post #9027131

lol!

grits74571
Talihina, OK

March 2, 2012
2:39 PM

Post #9027370

I think this is one of the most fun/interesting threads ever so much fun with the book and the beans so last week at my gardening class I took a bag of the beans and passed them around as gifts and this week I took the wicked plants book and passed it around so everyone could get a peek at it ..Our library doesn't have it but we are part of a system and ant book you want if it is in stock at any other library in our system then you can order it we have a great group taking the class this year ..Here is a pic of the class
TX_gardener
Brady, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 3, 2012
5:39 AM

Post #9027973

Which one are you, Grits?
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

March 3, 2012
6:14 AM

Post #9028028

Bet she took the picture .
FrillyLily
springfield area, MO
(Zone 5b)

March 3, 2012
7:05 AM

Post #9028085

I always be sure I have the camera, that way I'm safe. You have a nice looking little group there. I got my book off of Amazon as was suggested and it wasn't too high at all. Maybe your group could start their own garden library... and swap or trade between themselves.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

March 3, 2012
4:45 PM

Post #9028729

Digger I thought we had the gender thing sorted out I am the one in the denim coat with the grey beard on the right Tho at my age it don't matter much what gender I am
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

March 3, 2012
8:05 PM

Post #9028961

Tee hee , we must be kin . That age thingie applies to me too !
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

March 3, 2012
8:51 PM

Post #9029004

I thought Grits was female too...now I see that he is a handsome male...".or grits ain't groceries!" LOL Jo
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

March 4, 2012
5:56 AM

Post #9029179

Yeah , hope I don't make anyone , his (S O ) mad but you're right Jo, he is a hunk , isn't he ? Right in our age group .
My D H won't let me look more than twice , but he makes a pleasing picture .
roadrunner
Hereford, AZ
(Zone 8a)

March 4, 2012
7:03 AM

Post #9029279

Well, I can look a ll I want too...when folks ask me "How you doing?", I say "I'm doing as I please, 'cause I'm single!" lol

When I saved seeds from my "beans" this fall...I stuck some in the ground...shouldn't they be popping their little heads up by now...we have had very warm weather. Jo
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

March 4, 2012
5:55 PM

Post #9030021

Love that attitude ,Jo
City_Sylvia
Dallas, TX

March 13, 2012
8:15 PM

Post #9041911

Chuck I would like some seeds. I planted some, but I didn't soak them. :( I just discovered the shrubs out front are dying, that Lab lab vine would look great out there. btw I am getting Hostas again,
I know you think I am worthless, but I have not forgot you.

Grits was it you who sent me the seeds?

Sylvia
grits74571
Talihina, OK

March 14, 2012
4:24 AM

Post #9042082

No it was not me but I stll have plenty if you would like just send me your mailing address in a d mail BTW I cashed diggers check that she sent for postage which was way too much ,ergo you can thank Digger for the postage..
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 26, 2012
11:03 AM

Post #9057741

OK guys, I've started hyacinth beans in pots three times already, wanting to have a good root system going when it was time to set them out. Well, duh!! It's been just like having a litter of puppies. Bring in at night, watch temp, set back outside when warm enough, etc. I'm just not consistent enough to keep them alive. I have three pots that are still limping along. Soooo, when will it be warm enough to plant--seed and seedlings?

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

March 26, 2012
12:04 PM

Post #9057807

Plant now, 4 beans to a spot, don't mess with pots, stick straight in the ground and give em nitrogen after they get abt 4 to 6" up,
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 26, 2012
1:57 PM

Post #9057981

Woohoo, Kittriana. Just the info I need. I guess the weather is about the same in your area as here. I'm in 7b/8a. Hard to tell which. Anyway, I'm going for it. Will report. Will I have a bloom by RU time?

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

March 26, 2012
2:49 PM

Post #9058056

Doubt it, blooms start abt the time vines get to at least 6'- beans after all, still have a time to get to maturity age 60 days at least. But the cue is the plants all blooming at once this spring, and they can be planted same time as Scarlet Runner beans or even green beans, enjoy
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

March 26, 2012
5:52 PM

Post #9058306

Yep , anytime after the last frost . Mine are 7" tall , but won't see them 'till Oct .
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 27, 2012
2:31 AM

Post #9058705

Can't wait. Got some planted yesterday --four beans in front of three posts. Actually they're hitching posts. I'm trying to think of something to string across there for them to climb on. The posts are about 5-6 feet apart. hmmmmm
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

March 27, 2012
5:22 AM

Post #9058783

Fishing filament will work. There is also clear vinyl netting that would work. Just cut it to the size you want.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

March 27, 2012
10:24 AM

Post #9059170

Or a pc of lattice tied to the post tops, they can shoot up fast and string helps guide them up
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

March 27, 2012
11:36 AM

Post #9059251

Mine have a trellis and others a chain link fence . When I get home to Georgia , I'll put some on a baby bed ends supporting the side rails across the top . A mini arbor .
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

March 27, 2012
1:11 PM

Post #9059387

All great ideas. Thanks, guys (and girls).
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 10, 2012
7:59 AM

Post #9118437

Would it work to have it growing up a tall skinny oak tree trunk?

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 10, 2012
5:46 PM

Post #9119126

Sybram- it would, but they do better in the sun, and oaks have tannic acid that tends to prevent undergrowth from getting established under them that would steal their nutrients, they might creep out toward th sun to get out from under the oak tree.
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 10, 2012
7:22 PM

Post #9119251

Thanks, Kittriana. That makes sense.
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 10, 2012
7:32 PM

Post #9119275

Well, what about a flagpole? Would that be disrespectful? Don't think I've ever seen anything growing on a flagpole.

Or, what about an electric pole in my yard. It's got ooey black gunk on it, and I don't know if anything would want to cling to it.
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 10, 2012
7:40 PM

Post #9119279

I wrote earlier about my hyacinth beans coming up everywhere, because I forgot something I did, and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I sent pics of the different places they're popping up, and didn't know it didn't send until just now. Guess my pics were too big.

So, did we ever cover whether they were poisonous to horses? They'd be beautiful on all that split rail fencing.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 11, 2012
5:45 AM

Post #9119512

they are beans sybram, non toxic candy to cow and horse, they aren't as tasty as pintos and they do much better as an ornamental than a food, but then cows and horses dont always get poisoned by same stuff as we do, but you might not see the beans at all if your horses like to taste everything mine did...if you have enuff beans, scatter them around places-like the sides of buildings, and that electric pole, hmmmm, as long as it didn't interfere with the wires and the box could be reached you would be fine.
grits74571
Talihina, OK

May 11, 2012
7:05 AM

Post #9119622

My beans reached the 5 foot mark yesterday I am using them to cover a dead tree,last year they went to the top of it making the harvest a little iffy so this year i cut it way back..
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 11, 2012
10:11 AM

Post #9119863

Thanks all, I'm determined to get all mine in their permanent homes today and tomorrow. It's been raining for a while now, but will probably stop soon. It's never muddy here, because of so much sandy loam, so may get to it this afternoon.

BajaBlue

BajaBlue
Rancho Santa Rita, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 11, 2012
7:04 PM

Post #9120414

Does anyone have a few extras ?
grits74571
Talihina, OK

May 11, 2012
7:06 PM

Post #9120416

I still have some D mail with a mailing adress I will send some on Monday

BajaBlue

BajaBlue
Rancho Santa Rita, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 11, 2012
8:02 PM

Post #9120477

thanks you got mail
sybram
Burleson, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 12, 2012
6:17 AM

Post #9120767

I'll sure share some of mine if anyone is close enough to pick them up.
chuck7701
McKinney, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 12, 2012
9:15 AM

Post #9120955

Here's mine on the west side of the house to block the sun.

If you have any utility or cattle panel - that would be great for a trellis. I bought 3 5x16 galvanized utility panels - 4 inch mesh and cut them in half for vines on the new fence. Wife and I agreed the galvanized look was pretty ugly. So went through the tedious task of priming with Rustoleum aluminum primer, then Rustoleum brown. Now they are hardly noticeable.

Bolted some additional post fasteners, and used S hooks to hang them, anchored the bottom with copper wire.. They are easily removed at any time.

In case anyone is interested, the cedar was stained with a fabulous product called Defy (for Hardwoods) using light walnut. Probably have to order online as few stores carry it. They also have an array of products for cleaning and stripping old fences. The pine and cedar colors were too light or orange. This stuff bonds with the wood, requires two coats 15-20 minutes apart, but does not wash off, fade and has UV protection. It's good for at least five years before I will need to put a maintenance coat. Get a laugh watching the neighbors restain every 2-3 years, or six months later it's fading or washed off by the sprinklers already.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 12, 2012
5:33 PM

Post #9121354

Chuck , are you using metal posts in concrete to attach the wood fence to ?What do I ask for when buying posts and where do I get them ?
chuck7701
McKinney, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 13, 2012
9:51 AM

Post #9122123

Yes. Had wooden posts before that rotted out. Metal will outlast this current fence in 10-15 years and be reuseable for the next new one. Many city building codes in the DFW area now require metal posts. We had some severe straight line winds one spring several years ago that snapped tens of thousands of wood post fences. One city in particular was so hard hit, city council passed an emergency resolution effective immediately that all repairs would require metal posts.

I had a fence company put the fence in, wouldn't even attempt it myself. They did an incredible job lining the poles up. I could run a string from one end pole to the other end and it is dead on. They are sunk three feet into the ground in concrete. Each post required 1 1/2 bags of concrete. They were twelve foot poles, and after installation, the stringers were put in place. They then cut off the top of the poles to level for the cap trim.

The main suggestion I have for anyone installing a wood fence - demand 2x4 cedar or treated stringers. Do not let them use the typical 2x3 stringers that sag after several years. One thing that this company also did was use six about foot spacing of the poles versus the eight foot. In part for strength, to counter the weight, and prevent sagging.

The real trick is the post hangers. There are two types - the round one that you slide down over the top of the pole, and the two piece flat ones in the picture. Definitely use the flat two piece ones. Any fence materials place should have them. Much easier to work with, and
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 13, 2012
11:50 AM

Post #9122206

A sad story . My son's wife let a man install a new wood fence across the back , in Austin Tex . Three years later I noticed the fence was falling down . Upon closer inspection , the "friend" had used Untreated 2x4 stringers and untreated 4x4 posts in the ground . No cement , bare ground . Termites had eaten all the wood up , the whole length of the posts and stringers .

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