tina lily keeps blooming under water

Tucson, AZ

hi everyone,

i was wondering if any can help me. i have had a tina lily since spring 2009. it is still in the same container and appears to be doing well. i recently fertilized it and the pads are increasing in size. one thing that is off is that the flowers never reach the surface of the water before opening. the water level has not changed. i am at a new house and it gets more sunlight. i treat the bucket with H2O2 regularly. the mosquito fish or happy and tina seems happy except for the underwater blooms. =) it is almost summer and i would have expected this to stop by now. i have seen it when the plant comes out of dormancy but it should have stopped by now.

let me know if i have left out any information that could help answer this question.

thanks!

Aiea, HI(Zone 11)

How deep under the water in the plant?

Tucson, AZ

hi dahos77,

9-1/4" to water surface and there is a bloom open 2" below the surface. it has bloomed well in 2009 and 2010. i do not know what is different about this year.

Aiea, HI(Zone 11)

Hmmm.... Personally I can't really say why. I have seen this as well, but only with younger plants on their first few flowers. Possible you need to repot? How many flowers have bloomed under water? What are the size of the leaves?

Sorry for all the questions. Hopefully can come up with something that has been overlooked.

Tucson, AZ

i guess it could be pot bound. i did let it grow in the container. i'd be afraid to root prune at this point. it would definitely lose tremendous root mass. the pads are much larger now that the weather is warm and since i fertilized. at least 4" wide.

no worries on the questions. i would like to figure out what is happening.

Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL(Zone 9b)

You don't have an aphid problem do you? I know when my water level went down one year, my lilies really suffered from aphids. As the level increased, they plants had curly underwater leaves that unfurled, but never made it to the surface.

Tucson, AZ

hi merrymary - wow! i didn't know that they can have aphid problems. no aphids on mine. here is a pic from today. you can see that the pads have increased in size and make it to the surface. oh, and there's a bloom UNDER WATER...arrrgh!!!

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Aiea, HI(Zone 11)

For me, root mass isn't too much of a problem. I repot my plants pretty often and if the plant is growing well, removing a bunch of the roots doesn't seem to bother the plant too much. You may have to wait a couple weeks, but I think that it could be just too root bound. What kind of planting media are you using? Is it straight kitty litter?

Tucson, AZ

it is straight kitty litter.

Aiea, HI(Zone 11)

Ah... I've never tried to grow out my lilies like that, as I've found topsoil to be much more effective in retaining nutrients and producing more robust plants. I use the kitty litter only to get tubers to sprout. Because the kitty litter has no nutrients, maybe fertilize more?

Tucson, AZ

i tried topsoil once. didn't like the smell.

i noticed last night that a flower was close to the top. this morning it opened with most of it above the surface. i suspect that subsequent blooms will be above the surface.

i still do not know why the blooms have been doing this. the only difference is that it get more direct sunlight. the plant appears to be happy. the fish seem okay in the water. i will probably just let tina be for now and root prune next spring. i want to put her in a larger water feature.

thanks for taking the time to offer some ideas dahos77 and merrymary. i'll keep an eye on her.

Aiea, HI(Zone 11)

I don't know why it opens underwater either. I've had plants with their buds above the surface (but have not opened yet) and then moved the plant into a deeper container and the bud just stayed closed until it broke the surface. For me the only other time I have flowers bloom under water is when the flower is on it's third day. And even then it's not a common thing. The varieties I've seen it in are daubin, islamorada, king of siam, shirley bryne and albert greenberg. Alber greenberg is the only one I've seen it happen on other then day 3 flowers.

Tucson, AZ

she is doing much better! lots of pad and a couple of blooms at a time. i guess it must have been the cold winter. she spent 48 hours under ice in the desert this winter. i didn't know that she could take so much cold!

Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL(Zone 9b)

Maybe just a weird fluke....Happy to hear they are up and running again!

:)

Tucson, AZ

thanks merrymary! =)

Tucson, AZ

hi summer! i'm back... =)

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Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL(Zone 9b)

What a beautiful color! I guess it was well worth the wait! :)

Aiea, HI(Zone 11)

Glad that tina figured it out!

Tucson, AZ

i know, right!

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